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Post by SG88 on Nov 25, 2020 10:29:05 GMT -5
What cracks me up is the people still bitching and blaming players for a boat trip, which was an activity that was conducted on their day off. Who cares what people do on their day off. If you want to criticize those receivers for their performance in that playoff game, I would agree. The drops that they had in that game were brutal. The injury to DRC was brutal. The defense after The DRC injury was brutal. Regardless of how we got to the playoffs, at least we got there. I would take that kind of season in a heartbeat right now. What I will also say about that season is that the writing was on the wall for them to move on at QB after that season ended. In typical Giants fashion, they were slow to react and IMO felt having finish out the rest of his contract was more important than correctly making it their #1 priority. The HC knew it and the GM knew it. Mara unfortunately, did not. We should be way further along by this point. I dont know if people blamed the boat trip for them playing bad but it becomes a talking point about their preparation before a playoff game. Tony Romo went through it in 2008 with his trip with Jessica Simpson. It's dumb but the media will say they should have been more focused. Im sure opposing teams use it as bulletin board material as well. I think Strahan told a story about Coughlin telling the team in 2008 that prior to the game, Dallas had left tickets to the NFC Championship in everyone's lockers. Not to mention, but our WRs didnt do any favors when they came out shirtless pregame to show how they werent affected by the cold and then laid an egg on the field. I think that they were trying to psych themselves out. Nothing more or less. It clearly didn't work because they stunk that game. I agree with you about the media. That trip was low hanging fruit and gave them a talking point to use. What people refuse to realize is that a player's subpar performance could be as simple as them just having a bad game.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 25, 2020 10:35:13 GMT -5
While I don't particularly care about the boat trip, yeah, that's how people perceive it. Have the wherewithal to not post that photo. Cruz should've known how that would blow up and be perceived in NY. Perceptions matter as much as people like to pretend they don't. The boat thing got compounded because the group that took the trip collectively shit the bed and played a major hand in that loss. Maybe in their minds they didn't think it would be a big deal considering that it was their day off. I agree that it should have been kept as low key as possible. That is where they messed up at.
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 25, 2020 10:59:30 GMT -5
I think people like to forget about this season because the ego disaster that ensued the following season. Likewise Jerry Reese chose not to try upgrading the OL when it held the offense back majorly in 2016. 2016 held the team back as an organization when you think about it. Reese tried fixing years of bad drafts and injuries through buying a defense all in one off-season. He spent all that cap money to try saving his job. The defense was stout. They were great against the run, dominant in short yardage situations, and had innovative blitz packages. They were fun to watch. In 2017 they just quit. A bunch of pissed off entitled rich players with egos. Doesn't mix well. No respected leaders (like Martinez) to keep them focused. I think they got pissed about how Beckham and the offense were given a different set of rules yet they had to carry that offense entirely because of a shitty OL and terrible game plans. They did nothing to rectify that going into 2017. Not only did the OL hold the team back, but Mac decided to castrate a fantastic offensive system and turn it vanilla and predictable. He took that multi-dimensional (saints-like) system he and TC constructed and made it one dimensional. It was so frustrating to watch. They were in the same formation 90% of the time. How do you expect to keep defenses honest??? It's so nice having Garrett here after watching Mac And Pat's vanilla BS. Personally looking back, I think that team possibly makes it to the super bowl if Coughlin was there. I know he had lost it a bit but I do think the players respected him more, idk if that boat trip happens with him there. He might get Beckham to focus a bit more in a big game situation. Mac seemed to think OBJ could do no wrong. Likewise with TC they would've still had that fantastic offensive system. Nice post. TC as head coach and McAdoo as OC was actually a good tandem. Giants offense in 2013 was ranked 28th. McAdoo comes in 2014 and they move up to 13th then in 2015 all the way up to 6th. How did they fall all the way back to 26th when McAdoo took over in 2016? With the offense taking a step back and the OL still in shambles, what did Reese do? Sign Brandon Marshall (apparently over Andrew Whitworth), Rhett Ellison and draft Evan Engram. Other than DJ Fluker on a one year, where was the OL help? I felt like Reese and co. just tried to get faster and bigger weapons for Eli, thinking that would help instead of actually building an OL. Now for McAdoo's vanilla offense, I remember the first game against the Eagles in 2017 the Giants were running the slant/flats all first half (literally McAdoos entire offense) and OBJ made some plays. Eagles made some adjustments and second half, they run it again and the LB ran right underneath it to tip it up and it was eventually picked off. It would have been interesting had TC or even Judge coached that 2016 team. Yeah Mac got all the credit but I recall (from articles) that TC worked directly with Mac to create that system. Tom didn't really care for the west coast system so they made a hybrid. It was a great offensive playbook. They had a little of everything you need. It was basically the saints offense. Then Mac takes over and he gets to install his vanilla GB offense. Which did nothing to help a porous OL. If anything it made them worse. When the Defense knows what you're running, it's much easier for them to win their match ups. But yeah, that's a fantastic example of Reese's time here after 2010. Instead of building the trenches he wants to add weapons to the outside. Beyond stupid. Doesn't matter how fast your QB is, he can't be under duress all game, every game and be expected to perform amazingly. I think either of one this coaches would've made that 2016 team significantly better. I think the giants have had horrible teachers (on the coaching staff) since Coughlin left. I mean, it you go back and watch highlights from that wildcard game, just take note of how the NYG pass rushers have terrible technique. It's like they were taught to just bull rush every play and do nothing else.
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Post by jb456 on Nov 25, 2020 12:09:36 GMT -5
At least Cruz recognizes that it was mistake. If it wasn't, who would there be a million articles about how that photo will haunt him and how he regrets his descion to go... There was so many board members and probably still are that said it wasn't a big deal. If it wasn't a big deal, why would it haunt him for life, lol... nypost.com/2020/04/29/victor-cruz-giants-boat-trip-photo-will-haunt-him-for-life/It wasn't a big deal in my mind. I hold others to standards that I hold myself to. Work is the last thing on my mind on a day off. S-Corp tax returns, client representation before the IRS, or providing financial advise to a person planning out their retirement are the last things on my mind on a day off. I get it though. People want something to blame since that game didn't go our way. I blame the drops and the defense's inability to adjust in the 2nd half. Cruz really has nothing to apologize for in my mind. IMO, he felt the need to because Giants fans are petty and it was his attempt to smooth things over with them and the media (now his secondary career). To tell you the truth, the idea of it didn't bother me if they could keep it out of the media. People should be able to relax on their day off. With that said, a toddler could have anticipated the reaction in the media and the general public. These guys work all year long with the opportunity to go to the playoffs and they were willing to be bombarded and distracted with a mountain of questions from the media? This wasn't a smart move and bad optics. Also, it could have messed with OBJ's performance. I'm pretty sure most would agree that he isn't mentally tough and people can get to him. This trip could have added more pressure on him and could have caused him to under perform...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 12:13:25 GMT -5
It wasn't a big deal in my mind. I hold others to standards that I hold myself to. Work is the last thing on my mind on a day off. S-Corp tax returns, client representation before the IRS, or providing financial advise to a person planning out their retirement are the last things on my mind on a day off. I get it though. People want something to blame since that game didn't go our way. I blame the drops and the defense's inability to adjust in the 2nd half. Cruz really has nothing to apologize for in my mind. IMO, he felt the need to because Giants fans are petty and it was his attempt to smooth things over with them and the media (now his secondary career). To tell you the truth, the idea of it didn't bother me if they could keep it out of the media. People should be able to relax on their day off. With that said, a toddler could have anticipated the reaction in the media and the general public. These guys work all year long with the opportunity to go to the playoffs and they were willing to be bombarded and distracted with a mountain of questions from the media? This wasn't a smart move and bad optics. Also, it could have messed with OBJ's performance. I'm pretty sure most would agree that he isn't mentally tough and people can get to him. This trip could have added more pressure on him and could have caused him to under perform... I do think that did play into it and might as well add Shepard into that since he had his share of drops that games also..
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 25, 2020 12:15:13 GMT -5
I think about a boat with Justin Beiber on it... 2016 is as forgettable of a season as there is. I can't say a winning season even with a pointless playoff appearance can ever be a completely forgettable season. I do remember having the distinct feeling with every game that this team is just not very good. Which was of course true in hindsight, it was just a mega million dollar funded dead cat bounce.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 25, 2020 12:24:41 GMT -5
What cracks me up is the people still bitching and blaming players for a boat trip, which was an activity that was conducted on their day off. Who cares what people do on their day off. If you want to criticize those receivers for their performance in that playoff game, I would agree. The drops that they had in that game were brutal. The injury to DRC was brutal. The defense after The DRC injury was brutal. Regardless of how we got to the playoffs, at least we got there. I would take that kind of season in a heartbeat right now. What I will also say about that season is that the writing was on the wall for them to move on at QB after that season ended. In typical Giants fashion, they were slow to react and IMO felt having finish out the rest of his contract was more important than correctly making it their #1 priority. The HC knew it and the GM knew it. Mara unfortunately, did not. We should be way further along by this point. I didn't agree with that then and don't now. I can believe that the HC and GM had no clue as to what the foundational issues were with the team which could manifest as that. And that does seem like the kind of oversimplification that Giants FO loves like more weapons! Even Engram is the answer. They certainly could and should have cleaned house completely and started the complete rebuild back then but the organization seemed to still be in denial about that as they had been for the previous few years. Sometimes you gotta hit bottom before you realize it.
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Post by thetruth on Nov 25, 2020 12:48:15 GMT -5
What Are Your Thoughts On The 2016 N.Y. Giants? Been thinking about doing this thread for a while. That Defense in 2016 was Good. *Victor Cruz’s Return Season. *Landon Collins Breakout Season. *Ben McAdoo’s 1st Season as the new Head Coach. *Janoris Jenkins, Damon Harrison, & Olivier Vernon all played pivotal/significant roles for the Giants Defense. *Sterling Shepherd’s Rookie Season. *Odell Beckham Jr carrying the Giants Offense. *Giants Swept the Cowboys. *Giants Split with the Eagles. *Giants Split with the Redskins. *Giants 38-13 Playoff Loss to the Packers & Giants 16-23 Regular Season Loss to the Packers. *Eli Manning’s up & down season. There’s so much to talk about with the 2016 N.Y. Giants. Landon Collins playing a DPOY caliber year. He was so damn good. Damon Harrison was getting offences alive. No one had a hope of running on us with JPP & OV setting the edge and this monster in the middle.
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Post by DJones19 on Nov 25, 2020 12:55:58 GMT -5
LT did much worse things than take a picture on a boat a few days before a game... Wasn't even an Odell fan but could care less about the boat picture.
2016 was a good season, when was the last time we won 11 games before that. 2009? I forget. After that season I'm surprised McAdoo got fired the next year, I thought McAdoo did a lot of good for Eli Manning. It sounded like he was too hard on the players and lost the locker room.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 25, 2020 14:46:11 GMT -5
We did it with smoke and mirrors. The D was very opportunistic that year, caused a lot of turnovers, which made them look better then they were. They got exposed big time in Green Bay. Didn't we have a pretty weak schedule that year as well? Without Odell, our offence was pretty much non-existent, and he forgot to show up for that playoff game. Wait a second.. Are we talking about the same defense? I recall that defense was 2nd in the league in giving up a hair over 17 points a game. Tied for 3rd in rush defense. Maybe I’m new to this, but that sounds like a very good defense. And let’s be honest, if our defense was putting up those stats everyone would put Patrick Graham on their collective shoulders for a ride into the sunset.. Say what you want about our schedule, or the way we ended our season against Green Bay. But, our defense was a strength that year..
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Post by giantsalmon on Nov 25, 2020 14:46:34 GMT -5
It wasn't a big deal in my mind. I hold others to standards that I hold myself to. Work is the last thing on my mind on a day off. S-Corp tax returns, client representation before the IRS, or providing financial advise to a person planning out their retirement are the last things on my mind on a day off. I get it though. People want something to blame since that game didn't go our way. I blame the drops and the defense's inability to adjust in the 2nd half. Cruz really has nothing to apologize for in my mind. IMO, he felt the need to because Giants fans are petty and it was his attempt to smooth things over with them and the media (now his secondary career). To tell you the truth, the idea of it didn't bother me if they could keep it out of the media. People should be able to relax on their day off. With that said, a toddler could have anticipated the reaction in the media and the general public. These guys work all year long with the opportunity to go to the playoffs and they were willing to be bombarded and distracted with a mountain of questions from the media? This wasn't a smart move and bad optics. Also, it could have messed with OBJ's performance. I'm pretty sure most would agree that he isn't mentally tough and people can get to him. This trip could have added more pressure on him and could have caused him to under perform... Actually you are correct. That was the game when OBJ punched the wall and put a hole in it afterwards. As for Cruz, I want to believe that he had lost some of his seniority/leadership being out so long with the injury. While he was out, OBJ, Shepard, and that lesser drafted WR came up with their "young savages" mantra. Cruz referred to himself as the "OG". I think he was trying to fit in but deep down he knew he should steer them clear. Remember Cruz had been lectured several times by Papa Coughlin on keeping oneself out of trouble. "Nothing good goes on in a nightclub at 2am".
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Post by TheAnalyst on Nov 25, 2020 14:57:35 GMT -5
We did it with smoke and mirrors. The D was very opportunistic that year, caused a lot of turnovers, which made them look better then they were. They got exposed big time in Green Bay. Didn't we have a pretty weak schedule that year as well? Without Odell, our offence was pretty much non-existent, and he forgot to show up for that playoff game. Wait a second.. Are we talking about the same defense? I recall that defense was 2nd in the league in giving up a hair over 17 points a game. Tied for 3rd in rush defense. Maybe I’m new to this, but that sounds like a very good defense. And let’s be honest, if our defense was putting up those stats everyone would put Patrick Graham on their collective shoulders for a ride into the sunset.. Say what you want about our schedule, or the way we ended our season against Green Bay. But, our defense was a strength that year.. I dont think there was any doubt the D was the strength. It was blatantly obvious.
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Post by Roswell on Nov 25, 2020 15:02:15 GMT -5
We did it with smoke and mirrors. The D was very opportunistic that year, caused a lot of turnovers, which made them look better then they were. They got exposed big time in Green Bay. Didn't we have a pretty weak schedule that year as well? Without Odell, our offence was pretty much non-existent, and he forgot to show up for that playoff game. Wait a second.. Are we talking about the same defense? I recall that defense was 2nd in the league in giving up a hair over 17 points a game. Tied for 3rd in rush defense. Maybe I’m new to this, but that sounds like a very good defense. And let’s be honest, if our defense was putting up those stats everyone would put Patrick Graham on their collective shoulders for a ride into the sunset.. Say what you want about our schedule, or the way we ended our season against Green Bay. But, our defense was a strength that year.. It seemed like the Giants won every close game that year on the strength of their D and Beckham's big plays.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 25, 2020 15:09:29 GMT -5
Wait a second.. Are we talking about the same defense? I recall that defense was 2nd in the league in giving up a hair over 17 points a game. Tied for 3rd in rush defense. Maybe I’m new to this, but that sounds like a very good defense. And let’s be honest, if our defense was putting up those stats everyone would put Patrick Graham on their collective shoulders for a ride into the sunset.. Say what you want about our schedule, or the way we ended our season against Green Bay. But, our defense was a strength that year.. It seemed like the Giants won every close game that year on the strength of their D and Beckham's big plays. Agreed. We got great play from our newly big priced free agents that year. Snacks was great all year, Vernon was solid, and Jenkins played like a shut down corner. Keenan Robinson played well in nickel packages, and Landon Collins was 1st team all pro. And Beckham was phenomenal. He single handedly beat the Ravens that year. We ALL thought we were going into the following season with big expectations. Unfortunately, Ben McAdoo showed his true colors, the offensive line got worse. And our season ended before it started..
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Post by giantsalmon on Nov 25, 2020 15:13:18 GMT -5
Wait a second.. Are we talking about the same defense? I recall that defense was 2nd in the league in giving up a hair over 17 points a game. Tied for 3rd in rush defense. Maybe I’m new to this, but that sounds like a very good defense. And let’s be honest, if our defense was putting up those stats everyone would put Patrick Graham on their collective shoulders for a ride into the sunset.. Say what you want about our schedule, or the way we ended our season against Green Bay. But, our defense was a strength that year.. It seemed like the Giants won every close game that year on the strength of their D and Beckham's big plays. I am known as a "homer" to my non Giants fan buddies. Usually if you are on NYG roster I give a little benefit of the doubt. However, I was never angrier at a NYG player as I was when Larry Donnell caught a pass just short of the stick on 3rd down and went out of bounds in front of a DB he had 70lbs on. I simply "lost it", as NYG was trying to mount a late game comeback. Before I could even begin to settle down NYG went on 4th down and OBJ took a slant "to the house" for the win. He bailed ole Larry out for a crucial lack of football intelligence/desire.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 25, 2020 15:20:00 GMT -5
It seemed like the Giants won every close game that year on the strength of their D and Beckham's big plays. I am known as a "homer" to my non Giants fan buddies. Usually if you are on NYG roster I give a little benefit of the doubt. However, I was never angrier at a NYG player as I was when Larry Donnell caught a pass just short of the stick on 3rd down and went out of bounds in front of a DB he had 70lbs on. I simply "lost it", as NYG was trying to mount a late game comeback. Before I could even begin to settle down NYG went on 4th down and OBJ took a slant "to the house" for the win. He bailed ole Larry out for a crucial lack of football intelligence/desire. Don’t get me started. Donnell is the size of an NBA power forward, and instead of lowering his shoulder to get that 1st down. He ran to the sidelines.. I believe to play in this league you have to have some sort of toughness. When Donnell did that I wanted the Giants to cut him right there. Screw waiting for after the game, give him his walking papers right there in front of the fan base. Then again, this is the same guy who tried to jump over a defensive back and landed on his head.
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Post by jb456 on Nov 25, 2020 15:28:23 GMT -5
LT did much worse things than take a picture on a boat a few days before a game... Wasn't even an Odell fan but could care less about the boat picture. 2016 was a good season, when was the last time we won 11 games before that. 2009? I forget. After that season I'm surprised McAdoo got fired the next year, I thought McAdoo did a lot of good for Eli Manning. It sounded like he was too hard on the players and lost the locker room. A few comments: 1) It doesn't make sense to compare what LT did in the 80's 90's to what players did 20+ years later. The internet didn't even take off and social media wasn't a thing. 2) When you think LT, do you think mentally weak or strong? Who do you think can handle pressure better, LT or OBJ? My kid could probably get to OBJ and make him break. He would keep asking the same question in a different way and OBJ would end up on the floor sucking his thumb calling for his mommy... 3) The Giants could have beaten Green Bay in 2016. Green Bay wasn't a great team but the Giants couldn't overcome the DRC injury or the Giants WR's crapping the bed in one of the most important games of their lives (Yes, Cruz had more important games).
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Post by Parademon1 on Nov 25, 2020 16:30:28 GMT -5
Defense carried that sorry ass O that yr & if Jenkins doesn't get injured on the 2nd play of GB playoff game, we might have won that game. We were only down 7-6 when we allowed that hail mary TD right before the half to make it 14-6, then got to 14-13 on the Eli TD pass to Tavaris King. But then AR went to work on all the sorry replacement DBs that came in for Jenkins. And let's not forget the dropped TD pass by Odell. I don't recall Jenkins getting hurt but I do remember Cromartie going down as being when Rogers took over after a being stuffed repeatedly up to that point. My bad, it was Cro that went down & then AR proceeded to pick apart his replacements. GB only ran for 75yds, they knew once Cro went down that they could have their way with our backups. It was a 1 pt game 5 min into the 3rd qt. As the senior WR & owner of a SB ring, I think Cruz shoulda shown some leadership & told the guys "hey, we got a playoff game in GB we gave to focus on, let's head back to NY, relax & then practice hard & let's get ready to KO GB for the 3rd time in their house". I guarantee you that Jerry Rice would not have gone off to party a week before a playoff game. That man was all about winning. He got upset with Dion partying too much during the 2 weeks prior to their SB game vs SD.
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 25, 2020 16:32:39 GMT -5
LT did much worse things than take a picture on a boat a few days before a game... Wasn't even an Odell fan but could care less about the boat picture. 2016 was a good season, when was the last time we won 11 games before that. 2009? I forget. After that season I'm surprised McAdoo got fired the next year, I thought McAdoo did a lot of good for Eli Manning. It sounded like he was too hard on the players and lost the locker room. A few comments: 1) It doesn't make sense to compare what LT did in the 80's 90's to what players did 20+ years later. The internet didn't even take off and social media wasn't a thing. 2) When you think LT, do you think mentally weak or strong? Who do you think can handle pressure better, LT or OBJ? My kid could probably get to OBJ and make him break. He would keep asking the same question in a different way and OBJ would end up on the floor sucking his thumb calling for his mommy... 3) The Giants could have beaten Green Bay in 2016. Green Bay wasn't a great team but the Giants couldn't overcome the DRC injury or the Giants WR's crapping the bed in one of the most important games of their lives (Yes, Cruz had more important games). Spags went soft after DRC went out. It was like he threw everything they had worked on out the window. the game plan shouldn't rely on one player so heavily. And it didn't, it was unnecessary. That DL wasn't the type that could get pressure with a 4 man rush. They were run stuffers. They needed those creative blitzes to rattle Rodgers.
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Post by rbe40 on Nov 25, 2020 19:27:56 GMT -5
Ben McAdoo is the smartest person inside the Giants organization of the last 7 years.
That dude was way ahead of his time. He was a visionary who saw the future of the NFL.
RG John Jerry started all 16 games that year. He set the Depth of the Pocket on the LOS, was the root of McAdoo's Offense. The Giants went 11-5 and John Jerry started and finished all 16 games.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 25, 2020 21:41:51 GMT -5
Wait a second.. Are we talking about the same defense? I recall that defense was 2nd in the league in giving up a hair over 17 points a game. Tied for 3rd in rush defense. Maybe I’m new to this, but that sounds like a very good defense. And let’s be honest, if our defense was putting up those stats everyone would put Patrick Graham on their collective shoulders for a ride into the sunset.. Say what you want about our schedule, or the way we ended our season against Green Bay. But, our defense was a strength that year.. I dont think there was any doubt the D was the strength. It was blatantly obvious. No question. Opportunistic or not, that was the strength of the team for that one year. Otherwise it was Manning to Beckham and hope the D checks 'em.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 25, 2020 21:44:49 GMT -5
It seemed like the Giants won every close game that year on the strength of their D and Beckham's big plays. Agreed. We got great play from our newly big priced free agents that year. Snacks was great all year, Vernon was solid, and Jenkins played like a shut down corner. Keenan Robinson played well in nickel packages, and Landon Collins was 1st team all pro. And Beckham was phenomenal. He single handedly beat the Ravens that year. We ALL thought we were going into the following season with big expectations. Unfortunately, Ben McAdoo showed his true colors, the offensive line got worse. And our season ended before it started.. Double handedly beat the Ravens that year, Beckham couldn't;t throw it to himself yet and. Both of those TDs were tendencies Manning saw in the Ravens D, discussed breaking the route with Beckham at half time, which they then exploited for two scores (if my memory serves) in the second half.
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Post by Sarcasman on Nov 25, 2020 21:49:58 GMT -5
Ben McAdoo is the smartest person inside the Giants organization of the last 7 years. That dude was way ahead of his time. He was a visionary who saw the future of the NFL. RG John Jerry started all 16 games that year. He set the Depth of the Pocket on the LOS, was the root of McAdoo's Offense. The Giants went 11-5 and John Jerry started and finished all 16 games. I won't argue the smartest guy in the organization because the organization wasn't exactly loaded with brains at that time. Although I think Reese was probably smarter. Regardless, being smart and having no idea how to go about implementing and executing your ideas or managing a team through challenges is worth about a subway ride. Assuming you also have three bucks for the turnstile.
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Nov 25, 2020 23:59:34 GMT -5
I knew we were losing that game against the packers the minute the packers hit the Hail Mary pass to end the half. Too similar to what happened in the 2012 playoffs just the other way around.
I don’t think we can compare McAdofus to Judge. Didn’t Ben say the suit he wore to the first presser wasn’t even his but his dad’s?
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Post by Antwuan on Nov 26, 2020 0:02:40 GMT -5
I knew we were losing that game against the packers the minute the packers hit the Hail Mary pass to end the half. Too similar to what happened in the 2012 playoffs just the other way around. I don’t think we can compare McAdofus to Judge. Didn’t Ben say the suit he wore to the first presser wasn’t even his but his dad’s? Not going to lie I had a bad feeling as well when that Hail Mary happened.
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Post by SG88 on Nov 26, 2020 0:15:23 GMT -5
Ben McAdoo is the smartest person inside the Giants organization of the last 7 years. That dude was way ahead of his time. He was a visionary who saw the future of the NFL. RG John Jerry started all 16 games that year. He set the Depth of the Pocket on the LOS, was the root of McAdoo's Offense. The Giants went 11-5 and John Jerry started and finished all 16 games. Your John Jerry fetish gave away your previous identity 😂😂😂
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Post by piddy283 on Nov 26, 2020 6:42:21 GMT -5
That team and the contracts given out in FA set this team back a couple years. Classic one step forward, two steps back. Damn you Dave!!!Fire him now!!!
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Post by Roosevelt on Nov 28, 2020 9:34:53 GMT -5
Ben McAdoo is the smartest person inside the Giants organization of the last 7 years. That dude was way ahead of his time. He was a visionary who saw the future of the NFL. RG John Jerry started all 16 games that year. He set the Depth of the Pocket on the LOS, was the root of McAdoo's Offense. The Giants went 11-5 and John Jerry started and finished all 16 games. This post belongs on the main page for all to see.
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 28, 2020 10:55:31 GMT -5
Ben McAdoo is the smartest person inside the Giants organization of the last 7 years. That dude was way ahead of his time. He was a visionary who saw the future of the NFL. RG John Jerry started all 16 games that year. He set the Depth of the Pocket on the LOS, was the root of McAdoo's Offense. The Giants went 11-5 and John Jerry started and finished all 16 games. This post belongs on the main page for all to see. I got a better idea. It should be used as a virtual doormat to the webpage. You know, you click the link of the webpage and the post pops up with your login info. So, you have a little laugh as you sign in. Or, it could scare new members away. Like a scarecrow..
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Post by Roosevelt on Nov 28, 2020 21:57:25 GMT -5
Back in the days when Francesa's rants were enjoyable.
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