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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 20, 2020 23:33:36 GMT -5
Anyone Dave Gettlemen does is wrong for Morehead don't keep banging your head on the wall. I admit I'm very unreasonable....all this winning is proving me wrong. Remember Offense Defense Special teams maybe if they aren't the equivalent of the NJ Nights when he took over the rebuild would have gone a little faster lol.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 20, 2020 23:34:29 GMT -5
And the playcalling was actually solid.. Very nicely balanced,Colt was able to take advantage of a few early one on one matchups outside..
Nice to see a lot of the backfield motion plays,jet sweeps and stuff It allows the up the middle pounding because teams have to wait the split second to see who has tbe ball
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 20, 2020 23:36:06 GMT -5
He's a sold #2. Def not a #1. He will be better next year with Devonte Smith or Jalen Waddle opposite him Might get Waddle in the second but I doubt it. Devonte Smith is healthy so he is it for me grab an edge in the second another WR in the third hit CB in the 4th.
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 20, 2020 23:36:39 GMT -5
I admit I'm very unreasonable....all this winning is proving me wrong. Remember Offense Defense Special teams maybe if they aren't the equivalent of the NJ Nights when he took over the rebuild would have gone a little faster lol. The team that just smoked us was 0-16 at the same time Dave took over here. They were 1-31 over the previous two years actually.
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Post by JoeyCush on Dec 20, 2020 23:37:39 GMT -5
Eh, more or less what I expected to happen today. Honestly thought Browns would hang more than 20 on us. I am sure Judge was thinking the same. Had they scored TDs on those two drives they failed to convert 4th downs, the game is tied 20-20. Dont fault them for the aggressive decisions.
I do fault the decision to go fake FG. If you are going to go for it at the 9 yard line and can still pick up a first down, leave your offense on the field.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 20, 2020 23:38:41 GMT -5
And the playcalling was actually solid.. Very nicely balanced,Colt was able to take advantage of a few early one on one matchups outside.. Nice to see a lot of the backfield motion plays,jet sweeps and stuff It allows the up the middle pounding because teams have to wait the split second to see who has tbe ball Kitchens had some good flow with the play calling think healthy DJ would have opened up that run game even more. We need those weapons Gettlemen was there he saw. better do something about it .
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 20, 2020 23:40:13 GMT -5
Remember Offense Defense Special teams maybe if they aren't the equivalent of the NJ Nights when he took over the rebuild would have gone a little faster lol. The team that just smoked us was 0-16 at the same time Dave took over here. They were 1-31 over the previous two years actually. LOL and they had 1srt pick and 4th pick in that draft they had like 4 or 5 in the to 30. they already had the defense mostly built get over it dude .
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 20, 2020 23:42:57 GMT -5
Remember Offense Defense Special teams maybe if they aren't the equivalent of the NJ Nights when he took over the rebuild would have gone a little faster lol. The team that just smoked us was 0-16 at the same time Dave took over here. They were 1-31 over the previous two years actually. By the way they had the bets corner in the NFC out and Holmes our slot corner and we are on the third string of OLB this game might of had a different complexion if they were a little more healthy.
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Dec 20, 2020 23:44:42 GMT -5
He will be better next year with Devonte Smith or Jalen Waddle opposite him Might get Waddle in the second but I doubt it. Devonte Smith is healthy so he is it for me grab an edge in the second another WR in the third hit CB in the 4th. If we got Devonte Smith in 1st and Waddle in 2nd round it would be tbe coupe of the draft.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 20, 2020 23:45:15 GMT -5
Mayfield’s wife was the best thing about this game. She’s the only one who got close to Mayfield tonight. And your new heart throb Dexter Lawrence.
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 20, 2020 23:46:53 GMT -5
The team that just smoked us was 0-16 at the same time Dave took over here. They were 1-31 over the previous two years actually. By the way they had the bets corner in the NFC out and Holmes our slot corner and we are on the third string of OLB this game might of had a different complexion if they were a little more healthy. You're kidding yourself. The league makes it much easier than it used to be to rebuild a team. The Browns did some of the right things. They also screwed up a lot over the past three years. They kept hiring the wrong HC like we did.
Yet they are where they are and we're where we are.
The team that embarrassed us last week was 3-13 two seasons ago as well.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 20, 2020 23:49:03 GMT -5
There are backup QB’s tearing up the NFL this season. McCoy might be the worst backup QB in the league. They need a better backup next year because he might be playing a significant role. He played well today given the circumstances The guys that are starting need to help the QB out the OL did their part the RBs to. To many drops I mean Slayton had a ball bounce off his face mask.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 20, 2020 23:55:54 GMT -5
By the way they had the bets corner in the NFC out and Holmes our slot corner and we are on the third string of OLB this game might of had a different complexion if they were a little more healthy. You're kidding yourself. The league makes it much easier than it used to be to rebuild a team. The Browns did some of the right things. They also screwed up a lot over the past three years. They kept hiring the wrong HC like we did.
Yet they are where they are and we're where we are.
The team that embarrassed us last week was 3-13 two seasons ago as well.
the team needs play makers on the outside that is something you can hammer away at but I'm not gonna complain about our defense or even going through the growing pains OL The OLBs are down to 3rd string guys and the defense still keeps teams down The Browns had a ton of high picks as I said 2 in the top 5 AND 4 I think in the top 30 they had a lot of money to pay players like Hunt Landry Richardson and I'm sure some there players also 2 different rebuilds browns had a couple decent OLs.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 20, 2020 23:59:15 GMT -5
He will be better next year with Devonte Smith or Jalen Waddle opposite him Or Davonta Smith Let's hope we have people who will be stopping up and down for one of these guys early and not the George Young method of "recievers are irrelevant and should only be taken day 3 after other positions are filled " method Judge has an in with Saban so theres that, if he asks he will receive that seems to be the way Gettlemen works with coaches. think they know what is needed.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Dec 21, 2020 0:35:48 GMT -5
In the end Both the OL and DL were more then solid it's a shame we don't have the guys we started with at OLB Carter and X and Fakrell. That said there are a lot of young guys Brown and Coughlin, Crowder getting valuable snaps add McKinney in the secondary even, Lalo was getting some work. Hopefully it pays off for these kids. At the end of the day I wonder if Judge will go the pats route when it comes to pass rush and keep going by committee. I f thats the case many will be un happy come draft time.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Dec 21, 2020 0:43:01 GMT -5
I took a nap at the half. What happened?
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 21, 2020 8:08:41 GMT -5
There are backup QB’s tearing up the NFL this season. McCoy might be the worst backup QB in the league. They need a better backup next year because he might be playing a significant role. Actually I would say he's better than average. I think thats the nicest thing ive ever heard you say about a Giants QB
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 21, 2020 8:11:07 GMT -5
Actually I would say he's better than average. Notice he always blames everyone except Shepard,Tate and Engram What ever happened to Slayton, its like this season he got grounded and is playing like the 5th round pick he actually was. I like Shep, but he is non existent. Tate is gone, Engram is SO inconsistent it hurts. I feel bad for anyone who is subjected to playing on this offense
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 21, 2020 8:13:38 GMT -5
By the way they had the bets corner in the NFC out and Holmes our slot corner and we are on the third string of OLB this game might of had a different complexion if they were a little more healthy. You're kidding yourself. The league makes it much easier than it used to be to rebuild a team. The Browns did some of the right things. They also screwed up a lot over the past three years. They kept hiring the wrong HC like we did.
Yet they are where they are and we're where we are.
The team that embarrassed us last week was 3-13 two seasons ago as well.
What are you talking about, how did "the league" make it easier to rebuild a team??
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Post by McCherry on Dec 21, 2020 9:50:03 GMT -5
Actually I would say he's better than average. Notice he always blames everyone except Shepard,Tate and Engram This game wasn't about the receivers, it was about the QB's. The Browns receivers did nothing special. We could’ve had Beckham, Nicks and Cruz and it wouldn't have made a difference with McCoy at QB. Mayfield using his legs to buy time and find open receivers was absolutely the difference. Landry is the only playmaker on that team that's above average.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 21, 2020 9:53:29 GMT -5
There are backup QB’s tearing up the NFL this season. McCoy might be the worst backup QB in the league. They need a better backup next year because he might be playing a significant role. Actually I would say he's better than average. I would say he gave us no chance to win. That was evident in the first quarter. The coaches knew this, which was why we went for touchdowns instead of FG's and started Jones last week on one leg. Did anyone really think we had a chance once it was announced McCoy was starting?
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 21, 2020 10:46:39 GMT -5
You're kidding yourself. The league makes it much easier than it used to be to rebuild a team. The Browns did some of the right things. They also screwed up a lot over the past three years. They kept hiring the wrong HC like we did.
Yet they are where they are and we're where we are.
The team that embarrassed us last week was 3-13 two seasons ago as well.
What are you talking about, how did "the league" make it easier to rebuild a team?? Free agency and the salary cap. Not just the cap but also the salary minimum.
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 21, 2020 10:47:55 GMT -5
Actually I would say he's better than average. I would say he gave us no chance to win. That was evident in the first quarter. The coaches knew this, which was why we went for touchdowns instead of FG's and started Jones last week on one leg. Did anyone really think we had a chance once it was announced McCoy was starting? Did you say that before the Seattle game?
Trivia question..... Who's the only Giants QB to beat a winning team in the last 2 seasons? Hint....It's not Eli Manning or Daniel Jones.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 21, 2020 10:55:22 GMT -5
I would say he gave us no chance to win. That was evident in the first quarter. The coaches knew this, which was why we went for touchdowns instead of FG's and started Jones last week on one leg. Did anyone really think we had a chance once it was announced McCoy was starting? Did you say that before the Seattle game?
Trivia question..... Who's the only Giants QB to beat a winning team in the last 2 seasons? Hint....It's not Eli Manning or Daniel Jones.
Yep, and what did he do but throw for 105 yards and hand the ball off?
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 21, 2020 10:59:38 GMT -5
Did you say that before the Seattle game?
Trivia question..... Who's the only Giants QB to beat a winning team in the last 2 seasons? Hint....It's not Eli Manning or Daniel Jones.
Yep, and what did he do but throw for 105 yards and hand the ball off? He's a back up QB. He's not a starter. I don't know how you think this isn't the point. He was fine last night for what he is. He threw for over 200 yards to the worst pass catchers in the NFL. Did he look worse than Daniel Jones last week? Or for that matter all season? Maybe slightly. I mean for God's sake, Jones has 8 TD passes in 12 games.
Have you seen some of the back up QB's in the league lately? Many of them throw a bunch of picks and have no chance out there. At least McCoy limits mistakes and can make some good throws.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 21, 2020 11:06:06 GMT -5
Yep, and what did he do but throw for 105 yards and hand the ball off? He's a back up QB. He's not a starter. I don't know how you think this isn't the point. He was fine last night for what he is. He threw for over 200 yards to the worst pass catchers in the NFL. Did he look worse than Daniel Jones last week? Or for that matter all season? Maybe slightly. I mean for God's sake, Jones has 8 TD passes in 12 games.
Have you seen some of the back up QB's in the league lately? Many of them throw a bunch of picks and have no chance out there. At least McCoy limits mistakes and can make some good throws.
Every backup QB in the division is better than ours. And possibly even our starter as someone mentioned. Look, we have no chance to win any game with McCoy, the coaches knew this. It's why they were trying to score TD's with the punter. Seattle took us lightly obviously, we won in spite of McCoy. It will happen 1 in 20 times that you beat a top offense with barely 100 yards passing.
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Post by Morehead State on Dec 21, 2020 11:09:22 GMT -5
He's a back up QB. He's not a starter. I don't know how you think this isn't the point. He was fine last night for what he is. He threw for over 200 yards to the worst pass catchers in the NFL. Did he look worse than Daniel Jones last week? Or for that matter all season? Maybe slightly. I mean for God's sake, Jones has 8 TD passes in 12 games.
Have you seen some of the back up QB's in the league lately? Many of them throw a bunch of picks and have no chance out there. At least McCoy limits mistakes and can make some good throws.
Every backup QB in the division is better than ours. And possibly even our starter as someone mentioned. Look, we have no chance to win any game with McCoy, the coaches knew this. It's why they were trying to score TD's with the punter. Seattle took us lightly obviously, we won in spite of McCoy. It will happen 1 in 20 times that you beat a top offense with barely 100 yards passing. Maybe so regarding the division, but you said he was the worst back up in the league. It's a load of crap. Would you like me to list some of the back up QB's in the league?
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 21, 2020 13:46:46 GMT -5
Notice he always blames everyone except Shepard,Tate and Engram This game wasn't about the receivers, it was about the QB's. The Browns receivers did nothing special. We could’ve had Beckham, Nicks and Cruz and it wouldn't have made a difference with McCoy at QB. Mayfield using his legs to buy time and find open receivers was absolutely the difference. Landry is the only playmaker on that team that's above average. ... well in addition to all 3 of their TE's who could start on just about any team
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 21, 2020 13:48:33 GMT -5
What are you talking about, how did "the league" make it easier to rebuild a team?? Free agency and the salary cap. Not just the cap but also the salary minimum. I would imagine that the cap reflects the minimum, as the base salaries go up i would figure the cap does as well. Im no cap guru, just going off assumptions, LOL
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 21, 2020 13:50:32 GMT -5
Yep, and what did he do but throw for 105 yards and hand the ball off? Did he look worse than Daniel Jones last week? Or for that matter all season? Maybe slightly. I mean for God's sake, Jones has 8 TD passes in 12 games.
...And 9 INTs
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