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Post by idkaname on Jan 8, 2021 0:17:59 GMT -5
Kirk cousins...
Can play masterful ball when in the zone, then stink out the joint the very next game.
I believe the term is “rhythm passers”
As I write this, I also realized something significant
Jones is the same
Give the kid a couple guns, he’ll shoot
This is it for Daniel “Danny Dimes” “Vanilla Vick” Jones. Make or break year and I’ve seen the good, which at times, is pretty damn good. Give the kid a chance...I know I was impressed when he started slingin the rock in pre season when he got here...
Confidence and momentum does wonders 🧐
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Post by BlueReign on Jan 8, 2021 8:23:47 GMT -5
I don't know if it's been a thing, but I love that Vanilla Vick nick name. Excellent job haha.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 8, 2021 8:42:24 GMT -5
Right now what type of QB Jones will ultimately be is unknown. We have seen what he "may" be both good and bad. I had more confidence in him being a very good NFL QB prior to the season then I do now. He possibly has gotten a handle on the high turn over rate both in picks and fumbles. Time will tell.
He still seems to be slow on the uptake going through his reads but that also may be due to the fact that receivers are just not getting open on time or at all way too often. However we have seen film where he has visually missed open receivers too. He gets another season to show if he can get it done. The Giants are certainly lacking play makers and Engram himself helped to lose the first game vs Philthy. In that game they had a 21-10 lead in the 4th quarter and failed on both sides of the ball to get it done.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 8:53:04 GMT -5
Right now what type of QB Jones will ultimately be is unknown. We have seen what he "may" be both good and bad. I had more confidence in him being a very good NFL QB prior to the season then I do now. He possibly has gotten a handle on the high turn over rate both in picks and fumbles. Time will tell. He still seems to be slow on the uptake going through his reads but that also may be due to the fact that receivers are just not getting open on time or at all way too often. However we have seen film where he has visually missed open receivers too. He gets another season to show if he can get it done. The Giants are certainly lacking play makers and Engram himself helped to lose the first game vs Philthy. In that game they had a 21-10 lead in the 4th quarter and failed on both sides of the ball to get it done. I was never on board with drafting Jones but I think MORE then 2 and even 3 years will be needed to fully find out the type of player he will end up being.. I keep hearing all this next year is it and just like the GM still being here I don't see a change from Jones until after his 4th year.. |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 8, 2021 8:55:43 GMT -5
Right now what type of QB Jones will ultimately be is unknown. We have seen what he "may" be both good and bad. I had more confidence in him being a very good NFL QB prior to the season then I do now. He possibly has gotten a handle on the high turn over rate both in picks and fumbles. Time will tell. He still seems to be slow on the uptake going through his reads but that also may be due to the fact that receivers are just not getting open on time or at all way too often. However we have seen film where he has visually missed open receivers too. He gets another season to show if he can get it done. The Giants are certainly lacking play makers and Engram himself helped to lose the first game vs Philthy. In that game they had a 21-10 lead in the 4th quarter and failed on both sides of the ball to get it done. I was never on board with drafting Jones but I think MORE then 2 and even 3 years will be needed to fully find out the type of player he will end up being.. I keep hearing all this next year is it and just like the GM still being here I don't see a change from Jones until after his 4th year.. well def more than 2 of course. Next will be very telling. He has to earn his fourth year as the uncontested starter. He may be in the roster in year 4 but he may also have serious competition if next year he does not take major steps forward. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 9:00:09 GMT -5
I was never on board with drafting Jones but I think MORE then 2 and even 3 years will be needed to fully find out the type of player he will end up being.. I keep hearing all this next year is it and just like the GM still being here I don't see a change from Jones until after his 4th year.. well def more than 2 of course. Next will be very telling. He has to earn his fourth year as the uncontested starter. He may be in the roster in year 4 but he may also have serious competition if next year he does not take major steps forward. Is this competition coming from a high draft selection in 2022? I would rather keep building the team unless they can find a 3rd rounder type QB for that competition and to be honest I wouldn't be totally against them doing that this year.. |
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 8, 2021 9:03:27 GMT -5
Right now what type of QB Jones will ultimately be is unknown. We have seen what he "may" be both good and bad. I had more confidence in him being a very good NFL QB prior to the season then I do now. He possibly has gotten a handle on the high turn over rate both in picks and fumbles. Time will tell. He still seems to be slow on the uptake going through his reads but that also may be due to the fact that receivers are just not getting open on time or at all way too often. However we have seen film where he has visually missed open receivers too. He gets another season to show if he can get it done. The Giants are certainly lacking play makers and Engram himself helped to lose the first game vs Philthy. In that game they had a 21-10 lead in the 4th quarter and failed on both sides of the ball to get it done. I have mixed feelings about Jones, just not sure yet. It looks to me that his Oline isn't giving him enough time to find open receivers and the fact that this receivers aren't getting open... |
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 8, 2021 9:07:48 GMT -5
Eli didn't win a single playoff game 14 out of 16 years he played.
I wouldn't call that clutch.
Danny dropped a Dime to Engram.
He dropped it.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 8, 2021 9:09:50 GMT -5
well def more than 2 of course. Next will be very telling. He has to earn his fourth year as the uncontested starter. He may be in the roster in year 4 but he may also have serious competition if next year he does not take major steps forward. Is this competition coming from a high draft selection in 2022? I would rather keep building the team unless they can find a 3rd rounder type QB for that competition and to be honest I wouldn't be totally against them doing that this year.. yeah I would assume if Jones shows next season he is not the guy then they will have yet another top 10 spot in the draft. As far as competition for QB I am not for it if you really are "all in" on a young kid. I feel its counter productive. I may be wrong but that's just my view. With that said if Jones doesnt get it done in season 3 then yeah of course bring in the next potential starter for sure. |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 8, 2021 9:13:08 GMT -5
Right now what type of QB Jones will ultimately be is unknown. We have seen what he "may" be both good and bad. I had more confidence in him being a very good NFL QB prior to the season then I do now. He possibly has gotten a handle on the high turn over rate both in picks and fumbles. Time will tell. He still seems to be slow on the uptake going through his reads but that also may be due to the fact that receivers are just not getting open on time or at all way too often. However we have seen film where he has visually missed open receivers too. He gets another season to show if he can get it done. The Giants are certainly lacking play makers and Engram himself helped to lose the first game vs Philthy. In that game they had a 21-10 lead in the 4th quarter and failed on both sides of the ball to get it done. I have mixed feelings about Jones, just not sure yet. It looks to me that his Oline isn't giving him enough time to find open receivers and the fact that this receivers aren't getting open... no doubt there is a lot involved. At times he is getting mauled right away. In other plays he has the time and no one is open. Yet in other film he is totally disregarding one side of the field and guys are open. Bottom line its a combo effect with him not taking a significant step forward this season. He did keep the turn overs in check for the most part compared to the prior year. Thats one good sign |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2021 9:21:17 GMT -5
Is this competition coming from a high draft selection in 2022? I would rather keep building the team unless they can find a 3rd rounder type QB for that competition and to be honest I wouldn't be totally against them doing that this year.. yeah I would assume if Jones shows next season he is not the guy then they will have yet another top 10 spot in the draft. As far as competition for QB I am not for it if you really are "all in" on a young kid. I feel its counter productive. I may be wrong but that's just my view. With that said if Jones doesnt get it done in season 3 then yeah of course bring in the next potential starter for sure. I'm the opposite of you on this. Competition is great and to have a decent back up with a QB that is 0-2 staying healthy so far is something I would like to see on this team. Philly did it with a 2nd rounder while the Skins did it using a 4th rounder and Hurts is looking like he could be the QB soon while we know about Cousins.. |
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Post by hadenough on Jan 8, 2021 9:40:37 GMT -5
Jones seems like a good guy...but I don't have a lot of confidence going forward. I think average is his ceiling.
Jones has every measurable you want in a QB...he just doesn't seem to have a natural feel for the game. The play is either there for him or it isn't. Some here will start posting highlights of the few plays he's actually made. The difference is he's only made a few of these plays in his career. The best QBs makes several of these plays/throws each and every game.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 8, 2021 10:19:01 GMT -5
Jones seems like a good guy...but I don't have a lot of confidence going forward. I think average is his ceiling. Jones has every measurable you want in a QB...he just doesn't seem to have a natural feel for the game. The play is either there for him or it isn't. Some here will start posting highlights of the few plays he's actually made. The difference is he's only made a few of these plays in his career. The best QBs makes several of these plays/throws each and every game. Agreed. He has the tools to be a good quarterback in this league. See how I said “good.” I don’t think he’ll ever be a great quarterback. Which is fine, not for us. But, plenty of quarterbacks had a respectable career being good. My issue is not with him to say. It’s with fans looking for anything to talk his play up. If it’s the lack of weapons he has, or that he’s been in the league for only two seasons. Whatever excuse they use, it still doesn’t change who he is as a player. Just on his stats alone you can say he had a below average season. 11 touchdowns in 14 games is unacceptable as a 2nd year pro. Those numbers remind me when another former Duke quarterback was starting for us. This is the season that will tell us what we have with Jones. Either, he’s our QB of the future. Or, we’re back to the drawing board looking for our next franchise QB. |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 8, 2021 10:24:21 GMT -5
Jones seems like a good guy...but I don't have a lot of confidence going forward. I think average is his ceiling. Jones has every measurable you want in a QB.. .he just doesn't seem to have a natural feel for the game. The play is either there for him or it isn't. Some here will start posting highlights of the few plays he's actually made. The difference is he's only made a few of these plays in his career. The best QBs makes several of these plays/throws each and every game. this may be a key issue going forward |
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Post by idkaname on Jan 8, 2021 10:55:18 GMT -5
Eli didn't win a single playoff game 14 out of 16 years he played. I wouldn't call that clutch. Danny dropped a Dime to Engram. He dropped it. right, either a troll or you’re 11 |
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Post by thetruth on Jan 8, 2021 11:09:38 GMT -5
Kirk cousins... Can play masterful ball when in the zone, then stink out the joint the very next game. I believe the term is “rhythm passers” As I write this, I also realized something significant Jones is the same Give the kid a couple guns, he’ll shoot This is it for Daniel “Danny Dimes” “Vanilla Vick” Jones. Make or break year and I’ve seen the good, which at times, is pretty damn good. Give the kid a chance...I know I was impressed when he started slingin the rock in pre season when he got here... Confidence and momentum does wonders 🧐 I think with weapons and a great supporting cast Jones will put him Kirk Cousins like #'s |
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Post by McCherry on Jan 8, 2021 11:16:02 GMT -5
Jones seems like a good guy...but I don't have a lot of confidence going forward. I think average is his ceiling. Jones has every measurable you want in a QB.. .he just doesn't seem to have a natural feel for the game. The play is either there for him or it isn't. Some here will start posting highlights of the few plays he's actually made. The difference is he's only made a few of these plays in his career. The best QBs makes several of these plays/throws each and every game. this may be a key issue going forward After his first season it sure looked he had a feel for the game. Way too early to make that claim based on this season. |
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Post by jay051 on Jan 8, 2021 11:35:01 GMT -5
Eli didn't win a single playoff game 14 out of 16 years he played. I wouldn't call that clutch. Danny dropped a Dime to Engram. He dropped it. Smh. I hate this train of thought. So who is clutch to you?? |
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 8, 2021 11:46:36 GMT -5
Eli didn't win a single playoff game 14 out of 16 years he played. I wouldn't call that clutch. Danny dropped a Dime to Engram. He dropped it. Smh. I hate this train of thought. So who is clutch to you?? The Manningham throw in the 2nd Super Bowl was clutch. Eli had about 4 really good years, really liked peak Eli in 2011. ..but I don't see too many similarities between Eli and Jones other than their press conferences. Two different QBs. |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 8, 2021 12:01:59 GMT -5
this may be a key issue going forward After his first season it sure looked he had a feel for the game. Way too early to make that claim based on this season. for sure....his story is not done yet thats why the word "seem" is used. |
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Post by OrangeGiant on Jan 8, 2021 12:14:38 GMT -5
Kirk Cousins is the most head scratching QB in the NFL. There are stretches of games where he looks like a really good QB, and you think he's finally figured it out. Then he falls off a cliff.
That is a guy who proves with a QB that it's just as important to have it from the neck up as it is to have it in the arm and legs.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 8, 2021 15:08:54 GMT -5
Kirk cousins... Can play masterful ball when in the zone, then stink out the joint the very next game. I believe the term is “rhythm passers” As I write this, I also realized something significant Jones is the same Give the kid a couple guns, he’ll shoot This is it for Daniel “Danny Dimes” “Vanilla Vick” Jones. Make or break year and I’ve seen the good, which at times, is pretty damn good. Give the kid a chance...I know I was impressed when he started slingin the rock in pre season when he got here... Confidence and momentum does wonders 🧐 I think with weapons and a great supporting cast Jones will put him Kirk Cousins like #'s No matter what people think of Cousins, putting up Cousins type numbers at this point I would think would be deemed a success. |
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Jan 9, 2021 20:45:50 GMT -5
so 2015 and on Eli.
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Post by mj312 on Jan 9, 2021 22:54:59 GMT -5
Eli didn't win a single playoff game 14 out of 16 years he played. I wouldn't call that clutch. Danny dropped a Dime to Engram. He dropped it. So when Eli was bouncing the ball of the receivers chests in Green Bay that’s his fault ??? But jones is great because engram dropped the ball .. interesting |
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Post by mj312 on Jan 9, 2021 22:55:49 GMT -5
Kirk cousins... Can play masterful ball when in the zone, then stink out the joint the very next game. I believe the term is “rhythm passers” As I write this, I also realized something significant Jones is the same Give the kid a couple guns, he’ll shoot This is it for Daniel “Danny Dimes” “Vanilla Vick” Jones. Make or break year and I’ve seen the good, which at times, is pretty damn good. Give the kid a chance...I know I was impressed when he started slingin the rock in pre season when he got here... Confidence and momentum does wonders 🧐 And without the toughness and durability |
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Post by DJones19 on Jan 10, 2021 11:41:27 GMT -5
Eli didn't win a single playoff game 14 out of 16 years he played. I wouldn't call that clutch. Danny dropped a Dime to Engram. He dropped it. So when Eli was bouncing the ball of the receivers chests in Green Bay that’s his fault ??? But jones is great because engram dropped the ball .. interesting Eli tended to throw high and never threw a tight spiral. Ask Odell. Obviously thankful for the Super Bowls but I like to stay objective about Eli like I am with Jones. And in response to the other guy, no not 11 years old...watched every single Giants game since the 1980s. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 10, 2021 12:04:36 GMT -5
Eli didn't win a single playoff game 14 out of 16 years he played. I wouldn't call that clutch. Danny dropped a Dime to Engram. He dropped it. Yeah, he was incredibly un-clutch in all those games he didn’t play in. |
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Post by robl on Jan 11, 2021 10:36:54 GMT -5
Eli didn't win a single playoff game 14 out of 16 years he played. I wouldn't call that clutch. Danny dropped a Dime to Engram. He dropped it. Evan Engram had 11 drops in 2020 so make that “drops”. He dropped 10% of passes. |
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Post by straightrazorman on Jan 11, 2021 11:37:55 GMT -5
Eli didn't win a single playoff game 14 out of 16 years he played. I wouldn't call that clutch. Danny dropped a Dime to Engram. He dropped it. Evan Engram had 11 drops in 2020 so make that “drops”. He dropped 10% of passes. At the most critical times. |
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