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Post by TCHOF on Jan 21, 2021 14:03:25 GMT -5
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 21, 2021 14:10:16 GMT -5
Who?
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 21, 2021 14:33:34 GMT -5
they passed over Bienemey, in an obvious bout of racism...
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Post by Parsley on Jan 21, 2021 14:44:54 GMT -5
Hopefully a big fat BUST.
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 21, 2021 14:51:29 GMT -5
Did they end up interviewing McDaniels?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2021 16:13:35 GMT -5
This doesn't exactly inspire ..
Is it me or has this batch of HCs other than Urban Meyer been underwhelming so far
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Post by bluebuddha on Jan 21, 2021 16:21:13 GMT -5
This doesn't exactly inspire .. Is it me or has this batch of HCs other than Urban Meyer been underwhelming so far The Bills and Colts hires were underwhelming at the time and they turned out pretty good.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 21, 2021 16:21:43 GMT -5
Did they end up interviewing McDaniels? Yep. From nj.com: The Candidates Coaches who have been interviewed: Joe Brady, Duce Staley, Jerod Mayo, Josh McDaniels, Todd Bowles, Kellen Moore, Nick Sirianni, Dennis Allen Coaches who have interview requests: Eric Bieniemy Coaches linked to the Eagles: Ryan Day, Lincoln Riley, Luke Fickell, Mike Kafka, John Fassel Candidates off the board: Robert Saleh (Jets), Arthur Smith (Falcons), Brandon Staley (Chargers), Brian Daboll (remain OC with the Bills)
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2021 19:12:42 GMT -5
This doesn't exactly inspire .. Is it me or has this batch of HCs other than Urban Meyer been underwhelming so far The Bills and Colts hires were underwhelming at the time and they turned out pretty good. McDermott was a legit high profile candidate..... Arthur Smith seems to be the one guy witb juice
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Post by Nick6475 on Jan 21, 2021 19:26:54 GMT -5
It seems like they chose this guy to make Wentz happy given his connection to Reich.
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 22, 2021 9:29:25 GMT -5
This doesn't exactly inspire .. Is it me or has this batch of HCs other than Urban Meyer been underwhelming so far The Bills and Colts hires were underwhelming at the time and they turned out pretty good. No I thought they were both associated with success --Reich offensively and McDermott defensively. McDermott worked under the likes of Reid, that D coordinator Johnson, and Rivera. His D units were high performing. Much like NYG, when the Bills hired McDermott they were looking for a culture change from Rex Ryan. Reich was credited for offensive prowess wherever he went.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 22, 2021 9:34:11 GMT -5
I really like the Jet's hire. Think he will do a lot of good for that franchise.
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 22, 2021 9:36:11 GMT -5
Did they end up interviewing McDaniels? Yep. From nj.com: The Candidates Coaches who have been interviewed: Joe Brady, Duce Staley, Jerod Mayo, Josh McDaniels, Todd Bowles, Kellen Moore, Nick Sirianni, Dennis Allen Coaches who have interview requests: Eric Bieniemy Coaches linked to the Eagles: Ryan Day, Lincoln Riley, Luke Fickell, Mike Kafka, John Fassel Candidates off the board: Robert Saleh (Jets), Arthur Smith (Falcons), Brandon Staley (Chargers), Brian Daboll (remain OC with the Bills) Thanks. There's an old school part of me that wants McDaniels to be a big failure at HC. It would have been convenient if he got the nod in Philly. The way he left Indy standing at the altar was just not right. Surprised he keeps getting looks.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 22, 2021 17:19:32 GMT -5
The Bills and Colts hires were underwhelming at the time and they turned out pretty good. No I thought they were both associated with success --Reich offensively and McDermott defensively. McDermott worked under the likes of Reid, that D coordinator Johnson, and Rivera. His D units were high performing. Much like NYG, when the Bills hired McDermott they were looking for a culture change from Rex Ryan. Reich was credited for offensive prowess wherever he went. The most interesting thing about McDermott's ascension is that he was fired from the Eagles. Rivera added him to his staff, became defensive coordinator, had success, went to the Bills. Guy is obviously a good coach. Just always goes to show you, one firing, one situation doesn't ever really tell the whole story all of the time.
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Post by te88 on Jan 23, 2021 8:10:16 GMT -5
The Eagles recognized that Frank Reich was the key coach on their most successful staff and that the problems started as soon as he left. Trying to re-capture that.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 23, 2021 8:29:18 GMT -5
It seems like they chose this guy to make Wentz happy given his connection to Reich. Shaky plan IMO
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 23, 2021 9:06:03 GMT -5
I'm not a race advocate, but the NFL needs to do something on the black HC front. At this point they should pretty much mandate any team that has not had a minority HC has to hire one their next hiring cycle. We'd be included in that mix. I mean 2/31 in a sport that is 70% African American is pretty dramatic. And its not like there is a proven method of finding HCs that teams are following. Most of these guys fail and you even have guys like Gase and Shurmur who failed once being hired to fail again and achieving said failure. The league has been around for a 1/2 century. Teams have had plenty of time to have a minority running the show. If you haven't, guess what? Now you have to. No other way I see this getting fixed.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 23, 2021 9:50:02 GMT -5
I'm not a race advocate, but the NFL needs to do something on the black HC front. At this point they should pretty much mandate any team that has not had a minority HC has to hire one their next hiring cycle. We'd be included in that mix. I mean 2/31 in a sport that is 70% African American is pretty dramatic. And its not like there is a proven method of finding HCs that teams are following. Most of these guys fail and you even have guys like Gase and Shurmur who failed once being hired to fail again and achieving said failure. The league has been around for a 1/2 century. Teams have had plenty of time to have a minority running the show. If you haven't, guess what? Now you have to. No other way I see this getting fixed. I think that if an owner believes that a HC can lead their team to a championship, then he/she will hire that HC regardless of color. Forcing hires because of race or color is a very bad idea IMO. This whole outrage about Bienemy not getting a job is ridiculous to me. None of the people who are expressing this outrage have the first clue about whether or not he can be a good NFL HC. What has he done in the NFL to “deserve” a HC position besides go on a lot of interviews? The fact that every team who doesn’t hire him is now branded a racist organization is insane to me.
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Post by GameTime on Jan 23, 2021 10:02:50 GMT -5
I'm not a race advocate, but the NFL needs to do something on the black HC front. At this point they should pretty much mandate any team that has not had a minority HC has to hire one their next hiring cycle. We'd be included in that mix. I mean 2/31 in a sport that is 70% African American is pretty dramatic. And its not like there is a proven method of finding HCs that teams are following. Most of these guys fail and you even have guys like Gase and Shurmur who failed once being hired to fail again and achieving said failure. The league has been around for a 1/2 century. Teams have had plenty of time to have a minority running the show. If you haven't, guess what? Now you have to. No other way I see this getting fixed. I think that if an owner believes that a HC can lead their team to a championship, then he/she will hire that HC regardless of color. Forcing hires because of race or color is a very bad idea IMO. This whole outrage about Bienemy not getting a job is ridiculous to me. None of the people who are expressing this outrage have the first clue about whether or not he can be a good NFL HC. What has he done in the NFL to “deserve” a HC position besides go on a lot of interviews? The fact that every team who doesn’t hire him is now branded a racist organization is insane to me. the whole desereve scenario is arbitrary. What did Judge do to "deserve" a HC job? I agree about be branded a racist if you dont hire him but the deserve part is silly
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 23, 2021 10:23:40 GMT -5
I think that if an owner believes that a HC can lead their team to a championship, then he/she will hire that HC regardless of color. Forcing hires because of race or color is a very bad idea IMO. This whole outrage about Bienemy not getting a job is ridiculous to me. None of the people who are expressing this outrage have the first clue about whether or not he can be a good NFL HC. What has he done in the NFL to “deserve” a HC position besides go on a lot of interviews? The fact that every team who doesn’t hire him is now branded a racist organization is insane to me. the whole desereve scenario is arbitrary. What did Judge do to "deserve" a HC job? I agree about be branded a racist if you dont hire him but the deserve part is silly Agreed Deserves got nothing to do with it
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Post by GameTime on Jan 23, 2021 10:46:11 GMT -5
the whole desereve scenario is arbitrary. What did Judge do to "deserve" a HC job? I agree about be branded a racist if you dont hire him but the deserve part is silly Agreed Deserves got nothing to do with it well to a degree...
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 23, 2021 12:06:30 GMT -5
I'm not a race advocate, but the NFL needs to do something on the black HC front. At this point they should pretty much mandate any team that has not had a minority HC has to hire one their next hiring cycle. We'd be included in that mix. I mean 2/31 in a sport that is 70% African American is pretty dramatic. And its not like there is a proven method of finding HCs that teams are following. Most of these guys fail and you even have guys like Gase and Shurmur who failed once being hired to fail again and achieving said failure. The league has been around for a 1/2 century. Teams have had plenty of time to have a minority running the show. If you haven't, guess what? Now you have to. No other way I see this getting fixed. I think that if an owner believes that a HC can lead their team to a championship, then he/she will hire that HC regardless of color. Forcing hires because of race or color is a very bad idea IMO. This whole outrage about Bienemy not getting a job is ridiculous to me. None of the people who are expressing this outrage have the first clue about whether or not he can be a good NFL HC. What has he done in the NFL to “deserve” a HC position besides go on a lot of interviews? The fact that every team who doesn’t hire him is now branded a racist organization is insane to me. I'm not branding organizations racist if they have not had a minority HC, we gave Jerry Reese ample opportunities where he was underperforming as GM after the SB years. It's about creating opportunities. The way the system is now guys are getting mainly token interviews being forced by the Rooney rule. At the end of the day they are being passed over for jobs.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 23, 2021 12:47:54 GMT -5
I think that if an owner believes that a HC can lead their team to a championship, then he/she will hire that HC regardless of color. Forcing hires because of race or color is a very bad idea IMO. This whole outrage about Bienemy not getting a job is ridiculous to me. None of the people who are expressing this outrage have the first clue about whether or not he can be a good NFL HC. What has he done in the NFL to “deserve” a HC position besides go on a lot of interviews? The fact that every team who doesn’t hire him is now branded a racist organization is insane to me. I'm not branding organizations racist if they have not had a minority HC, we gave Jerry Reese ample opportunities where he was underperforming as GM after the SB years. It's about creating opportunities. The way the system is now guys are getting mainly token interviews being forced by the Rooney rule. At the end of the day they are being passed over for jobs. Getting interviews is a great start. Gives them the chance to blow a team away like Judge reportedly did last year
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 23, 2021 12:50:40 GMT -5
I'm not branding organizations racist if they have not had a minority HC, we gave Jerry Reese ample opportunities where he was underperforming as GM after the SB years. It's about creating opportunities. The way the system is now guys are getting mainly token interviews being forced by the Rooney rule. At the end of the day they are being passed over for jobs. Getting interviews is a great start. Gives them the chance to blow a team away like Judge reportedly did last year I've heard Shurmur and Gase speak. They've never blown anyone away and they each got 2 jobs. I don't know what happens in these interview rooms, but the people running them have very little idea as to what they are trying to weed out. Dan Campbell comes across like a used car salesman.
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Post by te88 on Jan 23, 2021 12:56:42 GMT -5
I'm not a race advocate, but the NFL needs to do something on the black HC front. At this point they should pretty much mandate any team that has not had a minority HC has to hire one their next hiring cycle. We'd be included in that mix. I mean 2/31 in a sport that is 70% African American is pretty dramatic. And its not like there is a proven method of finding HCs that teams are following. Most of these guys fail and you even have guys like Gase and Shurmur who failed once being hired to fail again and achieving said failure. The league has been around for a 1/2 century. Teams have had plenty of time to have a minority running the show. If you haven't, guess what? Now you have to. No other way I see this getting fixed. I think that if an owner believes that a HC can lead their team to a championship, then he/she will hire that HC regardless of color. Forcing hires because of race or color is a very bad idea IMO. This whole outrage about Bienemy not getting a job is ridiculous to me. None of the people who are expressing this outrage have the first clue about whether or not he can be a good NFL HC. What has he done in the NFL to “deserve” a HC position besides go on a lot of interviews? The fact that every team who doesn’t hire him is now branded a racist organization is insane to me. It’s silly The problem for Bienemy is he works for Andy Reid and they have insane talent front to back on the O side of the ball. Guaranteed people look at him and say “how hard is it really to do what he does?” They delve into the history....he was a RB and is a career RB coach. What are his actual responsibilities in KC? And the of course he has to do well in interviews which he reportedly doesn’t. Maybe he just isn’t a good HC candidate at this point in time?
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 23, 2021 13:00:03 GMT -5
Getting interviews is a great start. Gives them the chance to blow a team away like Judge reportedly did last year I've heard Shurmur and Gase speak. They've never blown anyone away and they each got 2 jobs. I don't know what happens in these interview rooms, but the people running them have very little idea as to what they are trying to weed out. Dan Campbell comes across like a used car salesman. It’s not about being some type of great orator. It’s about presenting your vision and plan for the team. Haven’t you ever interviewed people in real life who were very nice and personable but you knew early in the interview that you weren’t going to hire them?
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 23, 2021 13:11:01 GMT -5
I've heard Shurmur and Gase speak. They've never blown anyone away and they each got 2 jobs. I don't know what happens in these interview rooms, but the people running them have very little idea as to what they are trying to weed out. Dan Campbell comes across like a used car salesman. It’s not about being some type of great orator. It’s about presenting your vision and plan for the team. Haven’t you ever interviewed people in real life who were very nice and personable but you knew early in the interview that you weren’t going to hire them? Of course and Shurmur and Gase are 2 people I would not hire. Being a HC requires more than just the plan it requires the personality to implement the plan. In a league hungry for offense I understand them possibly getting 1 HC job, but not a 2nd. Shurmur can cook the food, but he can't run the restaurant. The Shurmur hire was one of the worst I can recall in this city. We had just fired an offensive guy who seemed in over his head as HC and followed it up with the exact same kind of guy who had already drowned once in the role. I think some of these owners just feel more comfortable dealing with these quiet, wimpy personalities. I dont think it's necessarily a race thing, but just wanting to deal with someone they feel authoritative over rather than intimidated by. John Mara being as soft spoken as he is hiring Shurmur was not a coincidence to me.
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Post by TCHOF on Jan 23, 2021 13:18:31 GMT -5
It’s not about being some type of great orator. It’s about presenting your vision and plan for the team. Haven’t you ever interviewed people in real life who were very nice and personable but you knew early in the interview that you weren’t going to hire them? Of course and Shurmur and Gase are 2 people I would not hire. Being a HC requires more than just the plan it requires the personality to implement the plan. In a league hungry for offense I understand them possibly getting 1 HC job, but not a 2nd. Shurmur can cook the food, but he can't run the restaurant. The Shurmur hire was one of the worst I can recall in this city. We had just fired an offensive guy who seemed in over his head as HC and followed it up with the exact same kind of guy who had already drowned once in the role. I think some of these owners just feel more comfortable dealing with these quiet, wimpy personalities. I dont think it's necessarily a race thing, but just wanting to deal with someone they feel authoritative over rather than intimidated by. John Mara being as soft spoken as he is hiring Shurmur was not a coincidence to me. It’s really hard to find a good HC. These owners miss more than they hit on coaches. Not sure what can be done to make them smarter
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Post by giantsalmon on Jan 23, 2021 14:22:33 GMT -5
Bienemy-- he may be a good candidate but it has been said that always going deep into the playoffs can hurt a prospective assistants chances.
The McAdoo hire-- ownership was clouded by what they possibly thought he had to do with GBs TE and QB play, the Coughlin endorsement when he was hired as an OC, and of course the perceived resurrection of Elis career.
The Shurmur hire--flat out bad and I truly feel they panicked as some prospects were declining interviews and taking jobs. If DJ does end up "the Man" then he will deserve a few of those dollars but I still cant get over his very unusual "speaking out of school" comment about Josh Allen--"I don't see him as a franchise QB". At least he spared us Haskins.
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Post by 3days on Jan 23, 2021 14:23:26 GMT -5
I'm not branding organizations racist if they have not had a minority HC, we gave Jerry Reese ample opportunities where he was underperforming as GM after the SB years. It's about creating opportunities. The way the system is now guys are getting mainly token interviews being forced by the Rooney rule. At the end of the day they are being passed over for jobs. Getting interviews is a great start. Gives them the chance to blow a team away like Judge reportedly did last year Agree and agree. However it is very notable the lack of diversity among coaches and executives in the NFL. The current plan is not working. Forcing #s at the HC level probably won’t either. My question is do they have a plan for getting diversity among the entry level coaching assignments?
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