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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 25, 2021 20:30:46 GMT -5
We as fans often get hung up on the player absent the team circumstances. The JPP trade was fine for both sides and certainly better IMO for him. He was the best DL player when here but he couldn’t carry that load anymore nor should he need to. Like Brady, Tampa was the perfect landing spot for him. He went to a team where he doesn’t have that role and he has added real value and played well. To believe he’d have made any difference here when he wasn’t doing that at the time he was dealt is to believe that getting Brady this offseason would have this team in the Super Bowl. It’s fun to think about and toss around but it’s not based in reality. I get where you are coming from, but I don't think it's fair to say he wasn't making a difference here. He had a solid year in 2017. The team was absolutely horrendous and it's difficult to separate anything individual from it, but I think it's fair to say JPP was solid. Is Tampa a great spot for him? Absolutely is. But as a trade, it's tough to see how it was fine for both sides in my view. But I also wasn't ever for trading him, so there's that. It’s fine, we don’t need to agree. Our defense largely sucked at the end of his tenure here so if he was adding value, it was indiscernible. I think it was a decent deal for both because the Giants needed to clear space and he needed a change of scenery. I’m happy for him that he landed on a team where his contributions are meaningful.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 25, 2021 20:32:57 GMT -5
Kruunch 2017 "Why did this buffoon Reese give nubs the franchise tag" Kruunch 2017 "WTF would Reese sign this half hand freak to a 4 year deal" Kruunch 2018 "Thank god DG managed to get a 3rd rounder for this worthless overpaid player" Kruunch 2021 "How foolish this team was to trade JPP, he is amazing"
That doesn’t sound like me. I would say things like “JPP got a 5 finger discount with that contract. The other 5 fingers aren’t guaranteed.” Or “That Reese, he wouldn’t know a good thing if it took a dump on his head.” I actually have been a big supporter of JPP since he was some small town kid at USF. I saw him play there, and was thrilled when he came to the Giants. I was frustrated we traded him, I never bought that he didn’t fit our defense. Great players make plays in all defenses. I was happy he went to a team that understood his strengths and used them to his advantage. Team him up with Shaq and Suh and you got yourself a damn good defensive line. I like this new Irish. The old one would have given a 5 page rebuttal and ended it with a laugh out loud. You got spunk kid.. LMAO very true man. I was adlibbing. I was a JPP fan the minute his big ass started doing back flips.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 25, 2021 20:43:40 GMT -5
I was disappointed by the dumb thing he did.
But I love that he recovered from it, and hope he sacks Brady repeatedly in the Superbowl.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 25, 2021 20:44:03 GMT -5
JPP was one of my favorite Giants while he was here, right along with Hakeem Nicks. I'm very happy for him making it back to the Super Bowl. I wish him the best.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 25, 2021 21:25:37 GMT -5
I get where you are coming from, but I don't think it's fair to say he wasn't making a difference here. He had a solid year in 2017. The team was absolutely horrendous and it's difficult to separate anything individual from it, but I think it's fair to say JPP was solid. Is Tampa a great spot for him? Absolutely is. But as a trade, it's tough to see how it was fine for both sides in my view. But I also wasn't ever for trading him, so there's that. It’s fine, we don’t need to agree. Our defense largely sucked at the end of his tenure here so if he was adding value, it was indiscernible. I think it was a decent deal for both because the Giants needed to clear space and he needed a change of scenery. I’m happy for him that he landed on a team where his contributions are meaningful. Yup, see my other response to you. I get where you're coming from though.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 26, 2021 0:30:54 GMT -5
I saw him get plenty of double teams chips last night. Didn't seem to help. JPP was always a great EDGE of which there are very few around this league, you dont trade that for a 3rd rounder. Thats the kind of trade capital you throw in for shitty deals to 'look' at pending FA's like Williams. Giants made a shit deal and didn't replace him. Sometimes its okay your team screwed up. 2018 was a great year for that Says the guy that wants to trade Leonard WIlliams for a 3rd rounder lol. Of course i'd trade a FA for a third rounder. Wouldn't you? Lets get one for Dalvin too while we're at it
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 26, 2021 8:39:17 GMT -5
I get where you are coming from, but I don't think it's fair to say he wasn't making a difference here. He had a solid year in 2017. The team was absolutely horrendous and it's difficult to separate anything individual from it, but I think it's fair to say JPP was solid. Is Tampa a great spot for him? Absolutely is. But as a trade, it's tough to see how it was fine for both sides in my view. But I also wasn't ever for trading him, so there's that. It’s fine, we don’t need to agree. Our defense largely sucked at the end of his tenure here so if he was adding value, it was indiscernible. I think it was a decent deal for both because the Giants needed to clear space and he needed a change of scenery. I’m happy for him that he landed on a team where his contributions are meaningful. I have to agree even when he went to Tampa still had his sacks but it didn't improve the win loss column Tom Brady did. I liked JPP thats why I did this thread but when I went over his stats, while here game by game he was never ever but 1 season consistent enough to make a difference he had a 12.5 sack season in 2014 where in 9 games he didn't have a sack. He was paid to sack the QB, he didn't bring leader ship or any of those intangibles and didn't want to. He was injured a lot 3 out of his 7 seasons here he had 4.5 sacks or less. In Tampa he is used differently he lost weight and plays standing up here he moved inside and didn't have the guys Tuck and Osi were on the last legs. I give him credit but there was a good reason they traded him looking at his game by game year to year stats will tell you all you need to know he wasn't an impactful player here except 2011 because as I said before he had stretches with little to know production and he missed a lot of time. It is all there in black and white. I thank him for 2011 and for playing his butt off while here but it was time to move on.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 26, 2021 10:45:49 GMT -5
I was disappointed by the dumb thing he did. But I love that he recovered from it, and hope he sacks Brady repeatedly in the Superbowl.You spelled Mahomes wrong. Unless you’re talking about JPP sacking his own teammate.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 26, 2021 11:31:54 GMT -5
I was disappointed by the dumb thing he did. But I love that he recovered from it, and hope he sacks Brady repeatedly in the Superbowl.You spelled Mahomes wrong. Unless you’re talking about JPP sacking his own teammate. You gotta admit, that would be pretty awesome.
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 26, 2021 11:45:57 GMT -5
Says the guy that wants to trade Leonard WIlliams for a 3rd rounder lol. Of course i'd trade a FA for a third rounder. Wouldn't you? Lets get one for Dalvin too while we're at it Well you can't trade a free agent. So no if we re-signed Williams, like we did JPP, I would not trade either for a 3rd round pick. That would be foolish like you said.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 26, 2021 11:53:59 GMT -5
I was disappointed by the dumb thing he did. But I love that he recovered from it, and hope he sacks Brady repeatedly in the Superbowl.You spelled Mahomes wrong. Unless you’re talking about JPP sacking his own teammate. Yeah, dont know what the hell thread I was in. I meant Spag's D.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 27, 2021 13:51:43 GMT -5
This ain't a Gettlemen thread JPP was not the player he was and still isn't he disappeared for weeks at a time no sacks we had no left tackle Stewart never even got his full deal for every game missed money came back to the Giants. By the way JPP never had the production before that year or again. He always gets his sacks just they come in spurts before yesterday he hadn't had a sack in 4 or 5 games nice time to have a spurt. I gave him props. We traded JPP off of a productive, 8 sack season in which he continued to be an elite edge run defender, as he has been his entire career. We did it because he wasn't a system fit (which didn't make sense considering Bettcher and Arians targeted him in free agency before we gave him his contract). The narrative he disappeared for weeks at a time was never true because as he pretty consistently affected the game with great run defense, disrupting the pocket, or getting straight up pressure. Didn't always turn into sacks all the time, but sacks usually come in bunches anyway, even whole seasons that appear different than others (hello Leonard Williams). JPP promptly had the most consistent and arguably best 3 year stretch of his career in TB as it relates to hard stats. Had 8.5 sacks in 10 games in 2019 in fact. It wasn't a good trade. There is no other way to look at it. We got BJ hill for one of the better all around edge players in the NFL and guess what, edge defenders is a glaring weakness on this team still. I think Graham would be able to get a lot out of him too as the cherry on top. I would not be shocked if this move is in Mara's bucket of bad 2018 personnel decisions he referenced a few weeks ago. All that being said, definitely happy for the guy. Always liked him. Jay you a good dude and poster go back and look at his production he had stretched with nothing then boom 2.5 3.0 sacks then nothing 2014 he had 12.5 sacks his only other double digit sack season other then his 16.5 season 2011 where ehe was consistent with pressure and sacks. 2014 he played 16 games went 9 games with 0 sacks 7 games with 12.5 sacks that was the way his career went while he was here out of 7 seasons he had 3 with 4.5 sack or less. Not taking anything from him but was never a lead dog Like Strahan or even Tuck who saved his best for the biggest games. go back and look at his game by game stats there was 0 consistency they had good reason to trade him.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 27, 2021 14:00:17 GMT -5
Of course i'd trade a FA for a third rounder. Wouldn't you? Lets get one for Dalvin too while we're at it Well you can't trade a free agent. So no if we re-signed Williams, like we did JPP, I would not trade either for a 3rd round pick. That would be foolish like you said. Difference is JPP was signed by a different front office. I posted his numbers in his 7 years the only year he was consistent was 2011 the rest he has sacks but several season with 8 to 10 game without a sack in his second best season 2014 he had 12.5 sacks 9 games 0 sacks 7 games 12.5. Go up a few posts his career and sacks are there or look up his numbers game by game. Played hard here and helped get us a superbowl but after that year he was either injured or inconsistent.
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Post by giantsrock on Feb 4, 2021 19:20:40 GMT -5
Sacks usually come in bunches. Strahan had 22.5 sacks in 2001 with 14 1/2 of them coming in 5 games. I hated the JPP trade when it happened and it looks even worse now. His last year as a Giant he had 5 passes blocked, 2 forced fumbles, 8 1/2 sacks, 68 tackles and 11 tackles for a loss. That didn't result in us having a winning season but it's a team sport. Teams win when they have a lot of players like JPP and not as many like BJ Hill and Kyle Lauletta.
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