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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2021 13:25:56 GMT -5
Not all for his on field accolades. More for his mental toughness he blows half his hand off and it took about 3 years to get all the way back he was on the field but not their right away he gets there, then has a car accident breaks a verbre in his neck takes a year comes back and takes a little time but gets all the way back to as good as he can be, It's amazing he has enough money the Giants gave him plenty and the Bucs are giving the rest. If he stayed healthy he would still be here, think it worked out great for him and good for us BJ hill is a good player and much cheaper. Happy for him and wish him well as long as he continues to play.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 25, 2021 13:27:46 GMT -5
Not all for his on field accolades. More for his mental toughness he blows half his hand off and it took about 3 years to get all the way back he was on the field but not their right away he gets there, then has a car accident breaks a verbre in his neck takes a year comes back and takes a little time but gets all the way back to as good as he can be, It's amazing he has enough money the Giants gave him plenty and the Bucs are giving the rest. If he stayed healthy he would still be here, think it worked out great for him and good for us BJ hill is a good player and much cheaper. Happy for him and wish him well as long as he continues to play. Wish him nothing but the best. He's still a fantastic player and I dont see him slowing down at all. |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 25, 2021 13:30:42 GMT -5
JPP carried a bad defense during the 2011 season. Tuck and company turned it up in the playoffs and the offense led the charge in the regular season, but without JPP they dont even get to 9 wins, probably go 6-10 that year. It was one of the great individial defensive seasons in franchise history. I'd go out on a limb and say the greatest by any Giants defender not named Taylor or Strahan. Gettleman traded him and went on to spend his cap savings on Nate Solder and some backup singers he made financial donations to like Jonathan Stewart. Should have spent his career in Blue. Good luck to him SB Sunday.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2021 13:40:34 GMT -5
JPP carried a bad defense during the 2011 season. Tuck and company turned it up in the playoffs and the offense led the charge in the regular season, but without JPP they dont even get to 9 wins, probably go 6-10 that year. It was one of the great individial defensive seasons in franchise history. I'd go out on a limb and say the greatest by any Giants defender not named Taylor or Strahan. Gettleman traded him and went on to spend his cap savings on Nate Solder and some backup singers he made financial donations to like Jonathan Stewart. Should have spent his career in Blue. Good luck to him SB Sunday. This ain't a Gettlemen thread JPP was not the player he was and still isn't he disappeared for weeks at a time no sacks we had no left tackle Stewart never even got his full deal for every game missed money came back to the Giants. By the way JPP never had the production before that year or again. He always gets his sacks just they come in spurts before yesterday he hadn't had a sack in 4 or 5 games nice time to have a spurt. I gave him props. |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 25, 2021 13:44:12 GMT -5
JPP carried a bad defense during the 2011 season. Tuck and company turned it up in the playoffs and the offense led the charge in the regular season, but without JPP they dont even get to 9 wins, probably go 6-10 that year. It was one of the great individial defensive seasons in franchise history. I'd go out on a limb and say the greatest by any Giants defender not named Taylor or Strahan. Gettleman traded him and went on to spend his cap savings on Nate Solder and some backup singers he made financial donations to like Jonathan Stewart. Should have spent his career in Blue. Good luck to him SB Sunday. This ain't a Gettlemen thread JPP was not the player he was and still isn't he disappeared for weeks at a time no sacks we had no left tackle Stewart never even got his full deal for every game missed money came back to the Giants. By the way JPP never had the production before that year or again. He always gets his sacks just they come in spurts before yesterday he hadn't had a sack in 4 or 5 games nice time to have a spurt. I gave him props. JPP has about 30 sacks in 3 years since being moved on. That's more than anyone we've had here. And pressure is not just sacks, its pushing the pocket and also having the offense scheme for the lack of time they'll have. Most pass rushers get their sacks in spurts. Having leads helps too, you can tee off on the opposing QB having to throw. The Giants had far too few leads to protect over JPP's final years. |
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Post by jaymas on Jan 25, 2021 13:55:54 GMT -5
JPP carried a bad defense during the 2011 season. Tuck and company turned it up in the playoffs and the offense led the charge in the regular season, but without JPP they dont even get to 9 wins, probably go 6-10 that year. It was one of the great individial defensive seasons in franchise history. I'd go out on a limb and say the greatest by any Giants defender not named Taylor or Strahan. Gettleman traded him and went on to spend his cap savings on Nate Solder and some backup singers he made financial donations to like Jonathan Stewart. Should have spent his career in Blue. Good luck to him SB Sunday. This ain't a Gettlemen thread JPP was not the player he was and still isn't he disappeared for weeks at a time no sacks we had no left tackle Stewart never even got his full deal for every game missed money came back to the Giants. By the way JPP never had the production before that year or again. He always gets his sacks just they come in spurts before yesterday he hadn't had a sack in 4 or 5 games nice time to have a spurt. I gave him props. We traded JPP off of a productive, 8 sack season in which he continued to be an elite edge run defender, as he has been his entire career. We did it because he wasn't a system fit (which didn't make sense considering Bettcher and Arians targeted him in free agency before we gave him his contract). The narrative he disappeared for weeks at a time was never true because as he pretty consistently affected the game with great run defense, disrupting the pocket, or getting straight up pressure. Didn't always turn into sacks all the time, but sacks usually come in bunches anyway, even whole seasons that appear different than others (hello Leonard Williams). JPP promptly had the most consistent and arguably best 3 year stretch of his career in TB as it relates to hard stats. Had 8.5 sacks in 10 games in 2019 in fact. It wasn't a good trade. There is no other way to look at it. We got BJ hill for one of the better all around edge players in the NFL and guess what, edge defenders is a glaring weakness on this team still. I think Graham would be able to get a lot out of him too as the cherry on top. I would not be shocked if this move is in Mara's bucket of bad 2018 personnel decisions he referenced a few weeks ago. All that being said, definitely happy for the guy. Always liked him. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 25, 2021 13:56:01 GMT -5
JPP carried a bad defense during the 2011 season. Tuck and company turned it up in the playoffs and the offense led the charge in the regular season, but without JPP they dont even get to 9 wins, probably go 6-10 that year. It was one of the great individial defensive seasons in franchise history. I'd go out on a limb and say the greatest by any Giants defender not named Taylor or Strahan. Gettleman traded him and went on to spend his cap savings on Nate Solder and some backup singers he made financial donations to like Jonathan Stewart. Should have spent his career in Blue. Good luck to him SB Sunday. This ain't a Gettlemen thread JPP was not the player he was and still isn't he disappeared for weeks at a time no sacks we had no left tackle Stewart never even got his full deal for every game missed money came back to the Giants. By the way JPP never had the production before that year or again. He always gets his sacks just they come in spurts before yesterday he hadn't had a sack in 4 or 5 games nice time to have a spurt. I gave him props. We as fans often get hung up on the player absent the team circumstances. The JPP trade was fine for both sides and certainly better IMO for him. He was the best DL player when here but he couldn’t carry that load anymore nor should he need to. Like Brady, Tampa was the perfect landing spot for him. He went to a team where he doesn’t have that role and he has added real value and played well. To believe he’d have made any difference here when he wasn’t doing that at the time he was dealt is to believe that getting Brady this offseason would have this team in the Super Bowl. It’s fun to think about and toss around but it’s not based in reality. |
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Post by jaymas on Jan 25, 2021 13:58:30 GMT -5
This ain't a Gettlemen thread JPP was not the player he was and still isn't he disappeared for weeks at a time no sacks we had no left tackle Stewart never even got his full deal for every game missed money came back to the Giants. By the way JPP never had the production before that year or again. He always gets his sacks just they come in spurts before yesterday he hadn't had a sack in 4 or 5 games nice time to have a spurt. I gave him props. We as fans often get hung up on the player absent the team circumstances. The JPP trade was fine for both sides and certainly better IMO for him. He was the best DL player when here but he couldn’t carry that load anymore nor should he need to. Like Brady, Tampa was the perfect landing spot for him. He went to a team where he doesn’t have that role and he has added real value and played well. To believe he’d have made any difference here when he wasn’t doing that at the time he was dealt is to believe that getting Brady this offseason would have this team in the Super Bowl. It’s fun to think about and toss around but it’s not based in reality. I get where you are coming from, but I don't think it's fair to say he wasn't making a difference here. He had a solid year in 2017. The team was absolutely horrendous and it's difficult to separate anything individual from it, but I think it's fair to say JPP was solid. Is Tampa a great spot for him? Absolutely is. But as a trade, it's tough to see how it was fine for both sides in my view. But I also wasn't ever for trading him, so there's that. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 25, 2021 13:59:30 GMT -5
JPP would not have had this success if he stayed here, not unless paired with our current DL. He has a front 7 down there that makes it impossible to double team him every play like what happened here. I was a big fan of his and didn't want to trade him. I actually thought he would do very good in Bettchers system. All in the past now.
I wish him nothing but the best...but I'm rooting against the Bucs.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2021 14:00:09 GMT -5
JPP carried a bad defense during the 2011 season. Tuck and company turned it up in the playoffs and the offense led the charge in the regular season, but without JPP they dont even get to 9 wins, probably go 6-10 that year. It was one of the great individial defensive seasons in franchise history. I'd go out on a limb and say the greatest by any Giants defender not named Taylor or Strahan. Gettleman traded him and went on to spend his cap savings on Nate Solder and some backup singers he made financial donations to like Jonathan Stewart. Should have spent his career in Blue. Good luck to him SB Sunday. One other little thing is without Eli Nicks Cruz and Manningham the Giants are toast in 2011. Jpp had a nice year but he was not the catalyst. when you get paid like he did leadership is part of the job he said I want nothing to do with it. last he and Snacks had some sort of issue that is part of the reason he was shipped and money funny before he was traded this board was clamoring about how in consistent he was and didn't want o pay him but the Giants not only tagged but paid him. |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Jan 25, 2021 14:02:41 GMT -5
JPP carried a bad defense during the 2011 season. Tuck and company turned it up in the playoffs and the offense led the charge in the regular season, but without JPP they dont even get to 9 wins, probably go 6-10 that year. It was one of the great individial defensive seasons in franchise history. I'd go out on a limb and say the greatest by any Giants defender not named Taylor or Strahan. Gettleman traded him and went on to spend his cap savings on Nate Solder and some backup singers he made financial donations to like Jonathan Stewart. Should have spent his career in Blue. Good luck to him SB Sunday. One other little thing is without Eli Nicks Cruz and Manningham the Giants are toast in 2011. Jpp had a nice year but he was not the catalyst. when you get paid like he did leadership is part of the job he said I want nothing to do with it. last he and Snacks had some sort of issue that is part of the reason he was shipped and money funny before he was traded this board was clamoring about how in consistent he was and didn't want o pay him but the Giants not only tagged but paid him. I mentioned the offense carried the 2011 team, but the D was ranked about 30, 31 if not for JPP it may have been ranked 50 in a league with 32 teams. He was the only player on the D that showed up in the 2011 regular season. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2021 14:12:57 GMT -5
This ain't a Gettlemen thread JPP was not the player he was and still isn't he disappeared for weeks at a time no sacks we had no left tackle Stewart never even got his full deal for every game missed money came back to the Giants. By the way JPP never had the production before that year or again. He always gets his sacks just they come in spurts before yesterday he hadn't had a sack in 4 or 5 games nice time to have a spurt. I gave him props. We traded JPP off of a productive, 8 sack season in which he continued to be an elite edge run defender, as he has been his entire career. We did it because he wasn't a system fit (which didn't make sense considering Bettcher and Arians targeted him in free agency before we gave him his contract). The narrative he disappeared for weeks at a time was never true because as he pretty consistently affected the game with great run defense, disrupting the pocket, or getting straight up pressure. Didn't always turn into sacks all the time, but sacks usually come in bunches anyway, even whole seasons that appear different than others (hello Leonard Williams). JPP promptly had the most consistent and arguably best 3 year stretch of his career in TB as it relates to hard stats. Had 8.5 sacks in 10 games in 2019 in fact. It wasn't a good trade. There is no other way to look at it. We got BJ hill for one of the better all around edge players in the NFL and guess what, edge defenders is a glaring weakness on this team still. I think Graham would be able to get a lot out of him too as the cherry on top. I would not be shocked if this move is in Mara's bucket of bad 2018 personnel decisions he referenced a few weeks ago. All that being said, definitely happy for the guy. Always liked him. He would pile up 2 3 or 4 sacks one game get 0 for 3 to 5 games come back get a few more believe it that is fact ,one thing I did not know he had d8 sacks in 2-14 season he also refused to lead and had some sort of altercation with Snacks. The question is he goes to tampa gets his sacks but they suck till they get a QB, he comes to the meadow lands faces our struggling rookie and gets shut down and last year he was injured. to be honest yesterday was the first time I have seen JPP affect a games outcome since probably 2011 may in 2016 we played some pathetically bad teams. I liked him and even wanted him resigned he hasn't been a game changing dfensive player since 2011 before his back then his hand then his neck. People tend to gorget he has spent more time off the field then on it. |
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 25, 2021 14:13:26 GMT -5
Let’s give credit where credit is due. If it wasn’t for Gettlemans insightfulness and forward thinking, JPP would have never had the opportunity to be playing in the super bowl right now.
And what did we get in return for an elite defensive end? BJ Hill and Kyle Lauletta.
Congrats Jason. You were a big reason we won in ‘11. And have defied all the odds still playing at a high level in this league.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 25, 2021 14:14:57 GMT -5
We as fans often get hung up on the player absent the team circumstances. The JPP trade was fine for both sides and certainly better IMO for him. He was the best DL player when here but he couldn’t carry that load anymore nor should he need to. Like Brady, Tampa was the perfect landing spot for him. He went to a team where he doesn’t have that role and he has added real value and played well. To believe he’d have made any difference here when he wasn’t doing that at the time he was dealt is to believe that getting Brady this offseason would have this team in the Super Bowl. It’s fun to think about and toss around but it’s not based in reality. I get where you are coming from, but I don't think it's fair to say he wasn't making a difference here. He had a solid year in 2017. The team was absolutely horrendous and it's difficult to separate anything individual from it, but I think it's fair to say JPP was solid. Is Tampa a great spot for him? Absolutely is. But as a trade, it's tough to see how it was fine for both sides in my view. But I also wasn't ever for trading him, so there's that. I said that because I do not think he was making a material difference here. Guys get traded for lots of reasons. I don't know why he was traded but I think it was the right move for both parties. |
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Post by thetruth on Jan 25, 2021 14:15:43 GMT -5
JPP would not have had this success if he stayed here, not unless paired with our current DL. He has a front 7 down there that makes it impossible to double team him every play like what happened here. I was a big fan of his and didn't want to trade him. I actually thought he would do very good in Bettchers system. All in the past now. I wish him nothing but the best...but I'm rooting against the Bucs. I saw him get plenty of double teams chips last night. Didn't seem to help. JPP was always a great EDGE of which there are very few around this league, you dont trade that for a 3rd rounder. Thats the kind of trade capital you throw in for shitty deals to 'look' at pending FA's like Williams. Giants made a shit deal and didn't replace him. Sometimes its okay your team screwed up. 2018 was a great year for that |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2021 14:17:20 GMT -5
One other little thing is without Eli Nicks Cruz and Manningham the Giants are toast in 2011. Jpp had a nice year but he was not the catalyst. when you get paid like he did leadership is part of the job he said I want nothing to do with it. last he and Snacks had some sort of issue that is part of the reason he was shipped and money funny before he was traded this board was clamoring about how in consistent he was and didn't want o pay him but the Giants not only tagged but paid him. I mentioned the offense carried the 2011 team, but the D was ranked about 30, 31 if not for JPP it may have been ranked 50 in a league with 32 teams. He was the only player on the D that showed up in the 2011 regular season. I get that he was young and healthy and he has been productive, I'm the Giants did the right thing for them getting young cheaper leaders in the building he was never the guy who had the defenses ear and never wanted to be. |
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Post by thetruth on Jan 25, 2021 14:19:30 GMT -5
I mentioned the offense carried the 2011 team, but the D was ranked about 30, 31 if not for JPP it may have been ranked 50 in a league with 32 teams. He was the only player on the D that showed up in the 2011 regular season. I get that he was young and healthy and he has been productive, I'm the Giants did the right thing for them getting young cheaper leaders in the building he was never the guy who had the defenses ear and never wanted to be. Save money? Interesting. We just took it out of JPPs pocket and gave it to Ogletree. JPP has 30.5 sacks in 40 games started since joining Tampa. Where his role as an EDGE is the exact same as it was here. Edge's get chipped but they rarely get doubled, if ever. Im not sure I understand some posters perspective on that. The delusion must end. Admit the error, move on. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2021 14:21:11 GMT -5
I get where you are coming from, but I don't think it's fair to say he wasn't making a difference here. He had a solid year in 2017. The team was absolutely horrendous and it's difficult to separate anything individual from it, but I think it's fair to say JPP was solid. Is Tampa a great spot for him? Absolutely is. But as a trade, it's tough to see how it was fine for both sides in my view. But I also wasn't ever for trading him, so there's that. I said that because I do not think he was making a material difference here. Guys get traded for lots of reasons. I don't know why he was traded but I think it was the right move for both parties. He went home also it was a better trade for him more then anyone. he wasn't making difference here and the first 2 years there he got sacks but they obviously weren't game changing sacks. sack fumbles third down sacks with the game on the line . |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2021 14:27:54 GMT -5
We as fans often get hung up on the player absent the team circumstances. The JPP trade was fine for both sides and certainly better IMO for him. He was the best DL player when here but he couldn’t carry that load anymore nor should he need to. Like Brady, Tampa was the perfect landing spot for him. He went to a team where he doesn’t have that role and he has added real value and played well. To believe he’d have made any difference here when he wasn’t doing that at the time he was dealt is to believe that getting Brady this offseason would have this team in the Super Bowl. It’s fun to think about and toss around but it’s not based in reality. I get where you are coming from, but I don't think it's fair to say he wasn't making a difference here. He had a solid year in 2017. The team was absolutely horrendous and it's difficult to separate anything individual from it, but I think it's fair to say JPP was solid. Is Tampa a great spot for him? Absolutely is. But as a trade, it's tough to see how it was fine for both sides in my view. But I also wasn't ever for trading him, so there's that. I always liked him, but when they traded him I was OK with it he was getting sacks but it had been years since he was a game changer part of that is on the Giants guy was playing a million snaps and the best guys he had a partner was back with Osi and Tuck. OV was never a big sack guy who knew what he had left in the tank even when he went to Tampa they lost him for along while because of the car accident. it' s easy Judge in hind sight but there were other issues supposedly he and Snacks had issues him not wanting the C on his chest thats a problem for a leadership starved team and their vets don't wanna do it. |
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Post by thetruth on Jan 25, 2021 14:31:02 GMT -5
I said that because I do not think he was making a material difference here. Guys get traded for lots of reasons. I don't know why he was traded but I think it was the right move for both parties. He went home also it was a better trade for him more then anyone. he wasn't making difference here and the first 2 years there he got sacks but they obviously weren't game changing sacks. sack fumbles third down sacks with the game on the line . Before decimating the Cowboys second OL unit for 3 sacks, Leonard Williams didn't do much of anything, no sacks and just 1 TFL in games against Arizona, Cleveland and Baltimore. Prior to these very meaningful games, LW decimated a similarly poorly talented Seahawks OL. But yet, Williams deserves to be signed at all costs? interesting logic. Can't we just say we screwed this trade up without talking down a player that was excellent for this team for a long, long time? |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2021 14:43:19 GMT -5
This ain't a Gettlemen thread JPP was not the player he was and still isn't he disappeared for weeks at a time no sacks we had no left tackle Stewart never even got his full deal for every game missed money came back to the Giants. By the way JPP never had the production before that year or again. He always gets his sacks just they come in spurts before yesterday he hadn't had a sack in 4 or 5 games nice time to have a spurt. I gave him props. We as fans often get hung up on the player absent the team circumstances. The JPP trade was fine for both sides and certainly better IMO for him. He was the best DL player when here but he couldn’t carry that load anymore nor should he need to. Like Brady, Tampa was the perfect landing spot for him. He went to a team where he doesn’t have that role and he has added real value and played well. To believe he’d have made any difference here when he wasn’t doing that at the time he was dealt is to believe that getting Brady this offseason would have this team in the Super Bowl. It’s fun to think about and toss around but it’s not based in reality. Thank you that was all I was trying to say. there were more layers to this then we know the coaches had to be on board. The Giants were tearing this thing down to the studs after midway through the first season they said this isn't working and did the rest. I honestly believe Eli was held on to because of his status and having 1 more year on his contract he was worth it helping DJ or who ever it could have been, And he did that just fine funny we had people here that if they showed a shot of the bench if Eli was with in Fart sniffing distance of Jones he wasn't being a mentor lol. |
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Post by jaymas on Jan 25, 2021 15:12:00 GMT -5
I get where you are coming from, but I don't think it's fair to say he wasn't making a difference here. He had a solid year in 2017. The team was absolutely horrendous and it's difficult to separate anything individual from it, but I think it's fair to say JPP was solid. Is Tampa a great spot for him? Absolutely is. But as a trade, it's tough to see how it was fine for both sides in my view. But I also wasn't ever for trading him, so there's that. I said that because I do not think he was making a material difference here. Guys get traded for lots of reasons. I don't know why he was traded but I think it was the right move for both parties. More of a mutually beneficial, just time to move to different eras kind of trade, I can see that. Still miss the production, but I suppose you are right. I think DG now just has a track record on two trades where he doesn't replace the production (we still won the Beckham trade regardless) and it's grinding my gears a tad. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 25, 2021 16:57:41 GMT -5
JPP would not have had this success if he stayed here, not unless paired with our current DL. He has a front 7 down there that makes it impossible to double team him every play like what happened here. I was a big fan of his and didn't want to trade him. I actually thought he would do very good in Bettchers system. All in the past now. I wish him nothing but the best...but I'm rooting against the Bucs. I saw him get plenty of double teams chips last night. Didn't seem to help. JPP was always a great EDGE of which there are very few around this league, you dont trade that for a 3rd rounder. Thats the kind of trade capital you throw in for shitty deals to 'look' at pending FA's like Williams. Giants made a shit deal and didn't replace him. Sometimes its okay your team screwed up. 2018 was a great year for that Says the guy that wants to trade Leonard WIlliams for a 3rd rounder lol. |
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Post by IrishMike on Jan 25, 2021 17:00:47 GMT -5
Let’s give credit where credit is due. If it wasn’t for Gettlemans insightfulness and forward thinking, JPP would have never had the opportunity to be playing in the super bowl right now. And what did we get in return for an elite defensive end? BJ Hill and Kyle Lauletta. Congrats Jason. You were a big reason we won in ‘11. And have defied all the odds still playing at a high level in this league. Kruunch 2017 "Why did this buffoon Reese give nubs the franchise tag" Kruunch 2017 "WTF would Reese sign this half hand freak to a 4 year deal" Kruunch 2018 "Thank god DG managed to get a 3rd rounder for this worthless overpaid player" Kruunch 2021 "How foolish this team was to trade JPP, he is amazing"
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2021 17:02:07 GMT -5
I started this thread to give JPP props but some have turned into a ge
tlemen thing or JPP was more productive while here then he really was here are his sack numbers with games with 0 and games with at least 1 sack
2010 -16 gms 13 gms 0 sacks 3 games 4.5
2011-16 gms 4 gme 0 sacks 12 games 16.5
2012 16 gms 10 games 0 sacks 6 games 6.5sack
2013 11 gms 9 games 0 sacks 2 games 2sacks
2014 16 gms 9 games 0 sacks 7 games 12.5 sacks
2015 8gms 7 games 0 sacks 1game 1 sack
2016 12 gms 8 games 0 sacks 4 games 7sacks
2017 16 gms 10 games 0 sacks 6 games 8.5 sacks
The only year he had consistent production was 2011 even in 2014 where he had 12.5 sacks they were in bunches then a 3 or 4 games without a sack this just shows most seasons except 2011 he had gone several games without recording a sack then would get a few he was very inconsistent.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2021 17:09:16 GMT -5
Let’s give credit where credit is due. If it wasn’t for Gettlemans insightfulness and forward thinking, JPP would have never had the opportunity to be playing in the super bowl right now. And what did we get in return for an elite defensive end? BJ Hill and Kyle Lauletta. Congrats Jason. You were a big reason we won in ‘11. And have defied all the odds still playing at a high level in this league. Kruunch 2017 "Why did this buffoon Reese give nubs the franchise tag" Kruunch 2017 "WTF would Reese sign this half hand freak to a 4 year deal" Kruunch 2018 "Thank god DG managed to get a 3rd rounder for this worthless overpaid player" Kruunch 2021 "How foolish this team was to trade JPP, he is amazing"
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 25, 2021 17:14:37 GMT -5
Let’s give credit where credit is due. If it wasn’t for Gettlemans insightfulness and forward thinking, JPP would have never had the opportunity to be playing in the super bowl right now. And what did we get in return for an elite defensive end? BJ Hill and Kyle Lauletta. Congrats Jason. You were a big reason we won in ‘11. And have defied all the odds still playing at a high level in this league. Kruunch 2017 "Why did this buffoon Reese give nubs the franchise tag" Kruunch 2017 "WTF would Reese sign this half hand freak to a 4 year deal" Kruunch 2018 "Thank god DG managed to get a 3rd rounder for this worthless overpaid player" Kruunch 2021 "How foolish this team was to trade JPP, he is amazing"
That doesn’t sound like me. I would say things like “JPP got a 5 finger discount with that contract. The other 5 fingers aren’t guaranteed.” Or “That Reese, he wouldn’t know a good thing if it took a dump on his head.” I actually have been a big supporter of JPP since he was some small town kid at USF. I saw him play there, and was thrilled when he came to the Giants. I was frustrated we traded him, I never bought that he didn’t fit our defense. Great players make plays in all defenses. I was happy he went to a team that understood his strengths and used them to his advantage. Team him up with Shaq and Suh and you got yourself a damn good defensive line. I like this new Irish. The old one would have given a 5 page rebuttal and ended it with a laugh out loud. You got spunk kid.. |
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Post by GameTime on Jan 25, 2021 17:44:07 GMT -5
Playing well and over came some huge hurdles....
kudos
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2021 19:10:05 GMT -5
JPP would not have had this success if he stayed here, not unless paired with our current DL. He has a front 7 down there that makes it impossible to double team him every play like what happened here. I was a big fan of his and didn't want to trade him. I actually thought he would do very good in Bettchers system. All in the past now. I wish him nothing but the best...but I'm rooting against the Bucs. He lost weight so he can do both stand up or play with his hand in the dirt don't think they move him inside like the Giants used to. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2021 19:58:19 GMT -5
This ain't a Gettlemen thread JPP was not the player he was and still isn't he disappeared for weeks at a time no sacks we had no left tackle Stewart never even got his full deal for every game missed money came back to the Giants. By the way JPP never had the production before that year or again. He always gets his sacks just they come in spurts before yesterday he hadn't had a sack in 4 or 5 games nice time to have a spurt. I gave him props. JPP has about 30 sacks in 3 years since being moved on. That's more than anyone we've had here. And pressure is not just sacks, its pushing the pocket and also having the offense scheme for the lack of time they'll have. Most pass rushers get their sacks in spurts. Having leads helps too, you can tee off on the opposing QB having to throw. The Giants had far too few leads to protect over JPP's final years. He wasn't doing that here he wasn'tt healthy and didn't have guys to take the pressure off him all signs pointed to him wearing down. |
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