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Post by SG88 on Feb 3, 2021 17:21:37 GMT -5
Mahomes IMO will go down as one of the best QBs in NFL history. Every Super Bowl that he makes it to going forward will be a reminder of an opportunity lost by the New York Giants.
That would have been an awesome trade. KC gave up two first rounders and a 3rd to move from 27 to 10. The Giants were too scared make that kind of ballsy move. I would have matched KC's offer without hesitation. Instead of getting a future HOF QB and not having to worry about that position for 15 years we ended up staying pat and drafting Evan Engram and continuing to have QB questions. ****
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 3, 2021 17:37:55 GMT -5
We could have stood pat and drafted TJ Watt or Dalvin Cook too.
Credit to the Chiefs, they saw Mahomes as a franchise quarterback. And they were aggressive with making sure they got him.
Should also be noted. Mahomes is working with arguably the best offensive mind of the last 20 years. If Andy Reid is your head coach, it’s certain that your offense will be ranked among the best in the league.
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 3, 2021 17:51:32 GMT -5
Mahomes IMO will go down as one of the best QBs in NFL history. Every Super Bowl that he makes it to going forward will be a reminder of an opportunity lost by the New York Giants. That would have been an awesome trade. KC gave up two first rounders and a 3rd to move from 27 to 10. The Giants were too scared make that kind of ballsy move. I would have matched KC's offer without hesitation. Instead of getting a future HOF QB and not having to worry about that position for 15 years we ended up staying pat and drafting Evan Engram and continuing to have QB questions. **** Josh Allen #2 overall in 2018. All you had to do was turn in the card with his name on it. You had 1 job. i.e Mahomes - They were picking 23 and nobody knew where Mahomes was going. Giants had no shot at Mahomes. |
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Post by GameTime on Feb 3, 2021 17:52:05 GMT -5
Mahomes IMO will go down as one of the best QBs in NFL history. Every Super Bowl that he makes it to going forward will be a reminder of an opportunity lost by the New York Giants. That would have been an awesome trade. KC gave up two first rounders and a 3rd to move from 27 to 10. The Giants were too scared make that kind of ballsy move. I would have matched KC's offer without hesitation. Instead of getting a future HOF QB and not having to worry about that position for 15 years we ended up staying pat and drafting Evan Engram and continuing to have QB questions. **** you are saying that with what you know now (like the other hindsight post) or you would have done that back then? And we had our HOF SB wining QB....  |
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 3, 2021 17:53:18 GMT -5
Mahomes IMO will go down as one of the best QBs in NFL history. Every Super Bowl that he makes it to going forward will be a reminder of an opportunity lost by the New York Giants. That would have been an awesome trade. KC gave up two first rounders and a 3rd to move from 27 to 10. The Giants were too scared make that kind of ballsy move. I would have matched KC's offer without hesitation. Instead of getting a future HOF QB and not having to worry about that position for 15 years we ended up staying pat and drafting Evan Engram and continuing to have QB questions. **** you are saying that what you know now (like the other hindsight post) or you would have done that back then? Josh Allen #2 overall in 2018 is not a hindsight pick tho. |
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Post by GameTime on Feb 3, 2021 17:54:10 GMT -5
you are saying that what you know now (like the other hindsight post) or you would have done that back then? Josh Allen #2 overall in 2018 is not a hindsight pick tho. not the subject of the thread fan boy |
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 3, 2021 17:54:37 GMT -5
We could have stood pat and drafted TJ Watt or Dalvin Cook too. Credit to the Chiefs, they saw Mahomes as a franchise quarterback. And they were aggressive with making sure they got him. Should also be noted. Mahomes is working with arguably the best offensive mind of the last 20 years. If Andy Reid is your head coach, it’s certain that your offense will be ranked among the best in the league. Once again, all you had to do was turn in the card with Josh Allen's name on it in 2018. Mahomes situation was 10x more complicated. The Josh Allen situation was simple. And they blew it. |
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 3, 2021 17:55:56 GMT -5
Josh Allen #2 overall in 2018 is not a hindsight pick tho. not the subject of the thread fan boy The subject makes 0 sense. Giants were picking 23 and Mahomes was drafted 13 spots earlier. Mahomes never got away. Josh Allen got away. |
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Post by GameTime on Feb 3, 2021 18:00:11 GMT -5
not the subject of the thread fan boy The subject makes 0 sense. Giants were picking 23 and Mahomes was drafted 13 spots earlier. Mahomes never got away. Josh Allen got away. what makes no sense is bringing Josh Allen in a thread that is about Mahomes. Not even the same draft year But whatever....enjoy your crush |
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 3, 2021 18:13:42 GMT -5
The subject makes 0 sense. Giants were picking 23 and Mahomes was drafted 13 spots earlier. Mahomes never got away. Josh Allen got away. what makes no sense is bringing Josh Allen in a thread that is about Mahomes. Not even the same draft year But whatever....enjoy your crush Mahomes is throwing to wide open track team receivers. He has two #1 pass catchers The Chiefs were a 12-4 team when they traded up for Mahomes. Mahomes was literally thrown into the middle of a 12-4 team. Alex Smith in 2017 with Andy Reid, Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, etc.: 104.7 Passer Rating 26 TDs 5 INTs 67.5% 8.0 YPA 4042 Yards |
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Post by GameTime on Feb 3, 2021 18:33:57 GMT -5
what makes no sense is bringing Josh Allen in a thread that is about Mahomes. Not even the same draft year But whatever....enjoy your crush Mahomes is throwing to wide open track team receivers. He has two #1 pass catchers The Chiefs were a 12-4 team when they traded up for Mahomes. Mahomes was literally thrown into the middle of a 12-4 team. Alex Smith in 2017 with Andy Reid, Tyreek Hill, Travis Kelce, etc.: 104.7 Passer Rating 26 TDs 5 INTs 67.5% 8.0 YPA 4042 Yards yeah for stats... I though you didnt really care about stats? |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Feb 3, 2021 19:04:36 GMT -5
Josh Allen is the one that got away. The team had just benched Eli Manning and had Allen sitting at 2 in a draft they controlled.
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 3, 2021 19:20:11 GMT -5
Josh Allen is the one that got away. The team had just benched Eli Manning and had Allen sitting at 2 in a draft they controlled. +1 |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 3, 2021 20:06:19 GMT -5
What makes it more amazing is that it was Ben McAdoo who was trying to get us to move up for him.
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Post by SG88 on Feb 3, 2021 20:55:37 GMT -5
Mahomes IMO will go down as one of the best QBs in NFL history. Every Super Bowl that he makes it to going forward will be a reminder of an opportunity lost by the New York Giants. That would have been an awesome trade. KC gave up two first rounders and a 3rd to move from 27 to 10. The Giants were too scared make that kind of ballsy move. I would have matched KC's offer without hesitation. Instead of getting a future HOF QB and not having to worry about that position for 15 years we ended up staying pat and drafting Evan Engram and continuing to have QB questions. **** Josh Allen #2 overall in 2018. All you had to do was turn in the card with his name on it. You had 1 job. i.e Mahomes - They were picking 23 and nobody knew where Mahomes was going. Giants had no shot at Mahomes. If the Chiefs had a shot 4 spots behind the Giants, the Giants had a chance. They just didn't do it. I've read that they tried, but this is a do or do not business. There is no try. Josh Allen is looking top notch too. In today's game, you have to get the QB situation right before anything else. |
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Post by SG88 on Feb 3, 2021 21:27:55 GMT -5
Josh Allen is the one that got away. The team had just benched Eli Manning and had Allen sitting at 2 in a draft they controlled. If Allen was touched by the hand of God, he would be a Giant. Lol |
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Post by jjhall91 on Feb 4, 2021 12:53:53 GMT -5
It seems there's little doubt that Mahomes will be a very good, if not a great one. He has the obvious talent. However, in all fairness, and much like Brady, he's had the intangible that's required to achieve the "great" status. And that's the opportunity that comes with excellent coaching, quality team mates and an organization willing to commit to winning.
Before I'm convinced Mahomes will be in the "great" category, I'd like to see his degree of success in a year when/if he has less talent surrounding him. (In the same token, I often wonder how Brady's legacy would have faired had he spent his career with, say, the Jets.)
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 4, 2021 13:33:54 GMT -5
Mahomes IMO will go down as one of the best QBs in NFL history. Every Super Bowl that he makes it to going forward will be a reminder of an opportunity lost by the New York Giants. That would have been an awesome trade. KC gave up two first rounders and a 3rd to move from 27 to 10. The Giants were too scared make that kind of ballsy move. I would have matched KC's offer without hesitation. Instead of getting a future HOF QB and not having to worry about that position for 15 years we ended up staying pat and drafting Evan Engram and continuing to have QB questions. **** I love Mahomes game and love watching him play. I can not imagine how horribly wrong his career would have gone had the Mcadoo Giants drafted him. Obviously we can never know but I'm reasonably certain no championships would have been won by now. It'd be like giving a F-14 to 12 year old. |
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 4, 2021 16:52:26 GMT -5
We could have stood pat and drafted TJ Watt or Dalvin Cook too. Credit to the Chiefs, they saw Mahomes as a franchise quarterback. And they were aggressive with making sure they got him. Should also be noted. Mahomes is working with arguably the best offensive mind of the last 20 years. If Andy Reid is your head coach, it’s certain that your offense will be ranked among the best in the league. Andy Reed has been a favorite of mine since he was an assistant coach, good quality coach who knows his job.. |
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Post by robl on Feb 4, 2021 16:53:35 GMT -5
Josh Allen is the one that got away. The team had just benched Eli Manning and had Allen sitting at 2 in a draft they controlled. Yeah hindsight is 20/20 On these boards people wanted Darnold not Allen (yes a few wanted Rosen). Basically you wanted “the field”. If Darnold was now a star you would start a thread about him. |
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Post by DJones19 on Feb 4, 2021 18:54:34 GMT -5
What makes it more amazing is that it was Ben McAdoo who was trying to get us to move up for him. McAdoo also had Josh Allen as his #1 QB in that draft with Jackson at #2. Chris Simms the same. Both were called wrong by many. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 4, 2021 19:32:48 GMT -5
What makes it more amazing is that it was Ben McAdoo who was trying to get us to move up for him. McAdoo also had Josh Allen as his #1 QB in that draft with Jackson at #2. Chris Simms the same. Both were called wrong by many. Their guesses were better than others that year |
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Post by 80sdreincarnate on Feb 7, 2021 6:55:22 GMT -5
Josh Allen is the one that got away. The team had just benched Eli Manning and had Allen sitting at 2 in a draft they controlled. Yeah hindsight is 20/20 On these boards people wanted Darnold not Allen (yes a few wanted Rosen). Basically you wanted “the field”. If Darnold was now a star you would start a thread about him. I wanted Josh Allen in that draft. I would never bring an "LA" type QB to NY. Allen is big, strong, built to be in the cold. And I was fine if the Giants determined there was not a QB they loved and wanted to try again with Eli. However there was only 1 unacceptable thing to do if they did not like a QB, trade back. The logic behind the Barkley selection never made sense. Eli was an old, immobile pocket passer. The only way to save him was putting a wall in front of him. Trading back and taking a Nelson or McGlinchey while adding a boatload of picks was the Eli scenario. I preferred moving on at that point simply because the team was not close enough to give Eli another legit shot. 2016 & 2017 were his chance and unfortunately Reese armed the offense with Flowers and Bobby Hart at OT. When that team imploded we should have let Eli move on to greener pastures. |
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Post by moecoastie on Feb 12, 2021 22:18:46 GMT -5
Im sure almost every team in the NFL has a thread just like this one.
as far is 2018 goes.
after year one fans here were crying that we didnt take Sam Darnold
after year two fans here were crying that we didnt take Lamar Jackson
after year three fans here were crying that we didnt take Josh Allen
see the pattern here?
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Post by moecoastie on Feb 12, 2021 22:33:10 GMT -5
Yeah hindsight is 20/20 On these boards people wanted Darnold not Allen (yes a few wanted Rosen). Basically you wanted “the field”. If Darnold was now a star you would start a thread about him. I wanted Josh Allen in that draft. I would never bring an "LA" type QB to NY. Allen is big, strong, built to be in the cold. And I was fine if the Giants determined there was not a QB they loved and wanted to try again with Eli. However there was only 1 unacceptable thing to do if they did not like a QB, trade back. The logic behind the Barkley selection never made sense. Eli was an old, immobile pocket passer. The only way to save him was putting a wall in front of him. Trading back and taking a Nelson or McGlinchey while adding a boatload of picks was the Eli scenario. I preferred moving on at that point simply because the team was not close enough to give Eli another legit shot. 2016 & 2017 were his chance and unfortunately Reese armed the offense with Flowers and Bobby Hart at OT. When that team imploded we should have let Eli move on to greener pastures. So...you werent afraid of Josh Allen's horrible accuracy coming out of college? You realize QB accuracy is one of the most consistant traits a QB can have? What Josh Allen has done from year 2 to year 3 with his accuracy and mechanics is not common. QBs just dont become more accurate all of a sudden. Accuracy is one of those traits that you look for when drafting a QB and Allen was terrible at long, medium and short ranges. If youre saying you knew his accuracy was going to improve despite QBs historically not improving their accuracy, then I commend you. Historically, these boards have a crush on a diffferent 2018 QB every year. Who do you think will be next year's crush? |
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 13, 2021 8:54:23 GMT -5
I wanted Josh Allen in that draft. I would never bring an "LA" type QB to NY. Allen is big, strong, built to be in the cold. And I was fine if the Giants determined there was not a QB they loved and wanted to try again with Eli. However there was only 1 unacceptable thing to do if they did not like a QB, trade back. The logic behind the Barkley selection never made sense. Eli was an old, immobile pocket passer. The only way to save him was putting a wall in front of him. Trading back and taking a Nelson or McGlinchey while adding a boatload of picks was the Eli scenario. I preferred moving on at that point simply because the team was not close enough to give Eli another legit shot. 2016 & 2017 were his chance and unfortunately Reese armed the offense with Flowers and Bobby Hart at OT. When that team imploded we should have let Eli move on to greener pastures. So...you werent afraid of Josh Allen's horrible accuracy coming out of college? You realize QB accuracy is one of the most consistant traits a QB can have? What Josh Allen has done from year 2 to year 3 with his accuracy and mechanics is not common. QBs just dont become more accurate all of a sudden. Accuracy is one of those traits that you look for when drafting a QB and Allen was terrible at long, medium and short ranges. If youre saying you knew his accuracy was going to improve despite QBs historically not improving their accuracy, then I commend you. Historically, these boards have a crush on a diffferent 2018 QB every year. Who do you think will be next year's crush? Except nothing you are saying is actually true. Allen was accurate coming out of college. Inconsistently accurate at times maybe, but still accurate. You are perpetuating a false myth. Allen went from Inconsistently Accurate to Consistently Accurate. He has never been inaccurate. Smart football analysts like Chris Simms and myself have long pointed this out. You are a lazy scout who looks at 1 meaningless stat in the box score(college completion%) and base all your conclusions off of that #. The problem is that too many people flat out suck at evaluating college QBs. They don't know what to look for. |
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Post by moecoastie on Feb 13, 2021 10:48:44 GMT -5
So...you werent afraid of Josh Allen's horrible accuracy coming out of college? You realize QB accuracy is one of the most consistant traits a QB can have? What Josh Allen has done from year 2 to year 3 with his accuracy and mechanics is not common. QBs just dont become more accurate all of a sudden. Accuracy is one of those traits that you look for when drafting a QB and Allen was terrible at long, medium and short ranges. If youre saying you knew his accuracy was going to improve despite QBs historically not improving their accuracy, then I commend you. Historically, these boards have a crush on a diffferent 2018 QB every year. Who do you think will be next year's crush? Except nothing you are saying is actually true. Allen was accurate coming out of college. Inconsistently accurate at times maybe, but still accurate. You are perpetuating a false myth. Allen went from Inconsistently Accurate to Consistently Accurate. He has never been inaccurate. Smart football analysts like Chris Simms and myself have long pointed this out. You are a lazy scout who looks at 1 meaningless stat in the box score(college completion%) and base all your conclusions off of that #. The problem is that too many people flat out suck at evaluating college QBs. They don't know what to look for. is he accurate or not? There is no such thing as inconsistently accurate? Isnt that what people call an "oxymoron?" Maybe what youre trying to say is that he is streaky? I dont think I agree with that. IMO, he's definitely not streaky. Low-key, I think streaky is just a nice way of saying inaccurate. P.S. Im not a stats guy, Im an eyes guy. My post history proves this. |
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Post by GameTime on Feb 13, 2021 11:13:59 GMT -5
So...you werent afraid of Josh Allen's horrible accuracy coming out of college? You realize QB accuracy is one of the most consistant traits a QB can have? What Josh Allen has done from year 2 to year 3 with his accuracy and mechanics is not common. QBs just dont become more accurate all of a sudden. Accuracy is one of those traits that you look for when drafting a QB and Allen was terrible at long, medium and short ranges. If youre saying you knew his accuracy was going to improve despite QBs historically not improving their accuracy, then I commend you. Historically, these boards have a crush on a diffferent 2018 QB every year. Who do you think will be next year's crush? Inconsistently accurate at times maybe, but still accurate. wrong at times but still right....... |
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 13, 2021 12:14:37 GMT -5
Except nothing you are saying is actually true. Allen was accurate coming out of college. Inconsistently accurate at times maybe, but still accurate. You are perpetuating a false myth. Allen went from Inconsistently Accurate to Consistently Accurate. He has never been inaccurate. Smart football analysts like Chris Simms and myself have long pointed this out. You are a lazy scout who looks at 1 meaningless stat in the box score(college completion%) and base all your conclusions off of that #. The problem is that too many people flat out suck at evaluating college QBs. They don't know what to look for. is he accurate or not? There is no such thing as inconsistently accurate? Isnt that what people call an "oxymoron?" Maybe what youre trying to say is that he is streaky? I dont think I agree with that. IMO, he's definitely not streaky. Low-key, I think streaky is just a nice way of saying inaccurate. P.S. Im not a stats guy, Im an eyes guy. My post history proves this. This whole "accurate" "inaccurate" labeling is downright silly. It's more nuanced than that. Josh Rosen was classified as "accurate" coming out of UCLA. Josh Rosen in the NFL couldn't hit the broad side of a barn, even when kept clean in the pocket. Rosen, the guy who people deemed "accurate", turned out to be the most inaccurate passer in the entire NFL. "Real accuracy" and "fake accuracy" are not the same thing. "Inaccurate" and "inconsistently accurate" are not the same thing. NUANCE. Football is complex. Stop with the fake labels. |
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 13, 2021 12:17:21 GMT -5
Inconsistently accurate at times maybe, but still accurate. wrong at times but still right....... No QB has ever gone from Inaccurate to Accurate. Not even Josh Allen. Josh Allen went from "inconsistently accurate" to "consistently accurate" But he was always accurate to begin with, never inaccurate. Nuance. Stop with the lazy scouting. Looking at completion% inside the box score = lazy scouting. |
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