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Post by GameTime on Feb 13, 2021 12:17:40 GMT -5
is he accurate or not? There is no such thing as inconsistently accurate? Isnt that what people call an "oxymoron?" Maybe what youre trying to say is that he is streaky? I dont think I agree with that. IMO, he's definitely not streaky. Low-key, I think streaky is just a nice way of saying inaccurate. P.S. Im not a stats guy, Im an eyes guy. My post history proves this. This whole "accurate" "inaccurate" labeling is downright silly. Stop with the fake labels. agreed... so stop
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Post by GameTime on Feb 13, 2021 12:19:22 GMT -5
wrong at times but still right....... No QB has ever gone from Inaccurate to Accurate. Not even Josh Allen. Josh Allen went from "inconsistently accurate" to "consistently accurate" But he was always accurate to begin with, never inaccurate. Nuance. Stop with the lazy scouting. Looking at completion% inside the box score = lazy scouting. Lazy scouting is inversely proportional to unmitigated fan boy
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 13, 2021 12:21:48 GMT -5
This whole "accurate" "inaccurate" labeling is downright silly. Stop with the fake labels. agreed... so stop Calling Josh Allen "inaccurate" because the average pass he threw in college had a much much higher degree of difficulty than his peers = lazy scouting. Common sense = When you attempt more difficult passes, you will complete less passes than someone else who is attempting easy passes underneath to wide open guys. Josh Allen attempted extremely difficult passes in college (because he had to, and he was actually playing to WIN with a bad team). Once again guys...nuance. Football is more complex than lazily looking at 1 stat (completion%) and basing every conclusion off of that 1 meaningless stat.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 13, 2021 12:23:10 GMT -5
Calling Josh Allen "inaccurate" because the average pass he threw in college had a much much higher degree of difficulty than his peers = lazy scouting. Common sense = When you attempt more difficult passes, you will complete less passes than someone else who is attempting easy passes underneath to wide open guys. Josh Allen attempted extremely difficult passes in college (because he had to, and he was actually playing to WIN with a bad team). Once again guys...nuance. Football is more complex than lazily looking at 1 stat (completion%) and basing every conclusion off of that 1 meaningless stat. I didn't call him anything you did.
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 13, 2021 12:23:58 GMT -5
No QB has ever gone from Inaccurate to Accurate. Not even Josh Allen. Josh Allen went from "inconsistently accurate" to "consistently accurate" But he was always accurate to begin with, never inaccurate. Nuance. Stop with the lazy scouting. Looking at completion% inside the box score = lazy scouting. Lazy scouting is inversely proportional to unmitigated fan boy Simple basic concept. If your average pass attempt has a much much higher degree of difficulty (ala Josh Allen at Wyoming) than your peers, you will probably complete a lower % of your passes. That doesn't, however, mean you are any less accurate than your peers. It only means you attempted tougher throws.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 13, 2021 12:26:31 GMT -5
Lazy scouting is inversely proportional to unmitigated fan boy Simple basic concept. If your average pass attempt has a much much higher degree of difficulty (ala Josh Allen at Wyoming) than your peers, you will probably complete a lower % of your passes. That doesn't, however, mean you are any less accurate than your peers. It only means you attempted tougher throws. if you havent realized it yet I will fill you in.. Its not what you say but how you say it. When you post about Josh Allen its like you need box of tissues next you to clean up when your done.
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 13, 2021 12:38:37 GMT -5
I wanted Josh Allen in that draft. I would never bring an "LA" type QB to NY. Allen is big, strong, built to be in the cold. And I was fine if the Giants determined there was not a QB they loved and wanted to try again with Eli. However there was only 1 unacceptable thing to do if they did not like a QB, trade back. The logic behind the Barkley selection never made sense. Eli was an old, immobile pocket passer. The only way to save him was putting a wall in front of him. Trading back and taking a Nelson or McGlinchey while adding a boatload of picks was the Eli scenario. I preferred moving on at that point simply because the team was not close enough to give Eli another legit shot. 2016 & 2017 were his chance and unfortunately Reese armed the offense with Flowers and Bobby Hart at OT. When that team imploded we should have let Eli move on to greener pastures. So...you werent afraid of Josh Allen's horrible accuracy coming out of college? You realize QB accuracy is one of the most consistant traits a QB can have? What Josh Allen has done from year 2 to year 3 with his accuracy and mechanics is not common. QBs just dont become more accurate all of a sudden. Accuracy is one of those traits that you look for when drafting a QB and Allen was terrible at long, medium and short ranges. If youre saying you knew his accuracy was going to improve despite QBs historically not improving their accuracy, then I commend you. Historically, these boards have a crush on a diffferent 2018 QB every year. Who do you think will be next year's crush? “Accuracy” is relative. It’s like saying he’s tall. Sure he’s tall if he’s standing next to Danny Devito, next to Lebron James, not so much. Everybody has their own definition of what accurate is. The right definition is the one from the person that agrees with your opinion.
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 13, 2021 14:37:56 GMT -5
Except nothing you are saying is actually true. Allen was accurate coming out of college. Inconsistently accurate at times maybe, but still accurate. You are perpetuating a false myth. Allen went from Inconsistently Accurate to Consistently Accurate. He has never been inaccurate. Smart football analysts like Chris Simms and myself have long pointed this out. You are a lazy scout who looks at 1 meaningless stat in the box score(college completion%) and base all your conclusions off of that #. The problem is that too many people flat out suck at evaluating college QBs. They don't know what to look for. is he accurate or not? There is no such thing as inconsistently accurate? Isnt that what people call an "oxymoron?" Maybe what youre trying to say is that he is streaky? I dont think I agree with that. IMO, he's definitely not streaky. Low-key, I think streaky is just a nice way of saying inaccurate. P.S. Im not a stats guy, Im an eyes guy. My post history proves this. Listen to 3:09 to 4:09
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Post by moecoastie on Feb 13, 2021 17:25:42 GMT -5
is he accurate or not? There is no such thing as inconsistently accurate? Isnt that what people call an "oxymoron?" Maybe what youre trying to say is that he is streaky? I dont think I agree with that. IMO, he's definitely not streaky. Low-key, I think streaky is just a nice way of saying inaccurate. P.S. Im not a stats guy, Im an eyes guy. My post history proves this. Listen to 3:09 to 4:09 So Kiper's explanation for his accuracy issues is he didnt throw as much as the rest of the QBs in the draft? Is that what you wanted me to listen to? I like Kiper way better than McShay who just regurgitates what he hears. Kiper also said DJ is better than every other QB in this draft minus Lawrence so obviously I hope he knows what he's talking about.
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Post by rbe40 on Feb 14, 2021 10:05:54 GMT -5
So Kiper's explanation for his accuracy issues is he didnt throw as much as the rest of the QBs in the draft? Is that what you wanted me to listen to? I like Kiper way better than McShay who just regurgitates what he hears. Kiper also said DJ is better than every other QB in this draft minus Lawrence so obviously I hope he knows what he's talking about. Already explained this to you 1000 times: Josh Allen has no accuracy issues coming out of college. How many times do I have to say it? Josh Allen was an accurate passer coming out of Wyoming. Those "accuracy issues" are a myth. Do you believe that the Earth is flat too? Did you listen to EVERYTHING he said, instead of just regurgitating 1 line? Btw, the #1 overall player on Chris Simms big board was who? You guessed it. www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2771808-2018-nfl-mock-draft-chris-simms-final-predictions.amp.html
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 14, 2021 13:19:57 GMT -5
Ironically, it was one Ben McAdoo who wanted to trade up for him.
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Post by moecoastie on Feb 14, 2021 15:48:03 GMT -5
So Kiper's explanation for his accuracy issues is he didnt throw as much as the rest of the QBs in the draft? Is that what you wanted me to listen to? I like Kiper way better than McShay who just regurgitates what he hears. Kiper also said DJ is better than every other QB in this draft minus Lawrence so obviously I hope he knows what he's talking about. Already explained this to you 1000 times: Josh Allen has no accuracy issues coming out of college. How many times do I have to say it? Josh Allen was an accurate passer coming out of Wyoming. Those "accuracy issues" are a myth. Do you believe that the Earth is flat too? Did you listen to EVERYTHING he said, instead of just regurgitating 1 line? Btw, the #1 overall player on Chris Simms big board was who? You guessed it. www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2771808-2018-nfl-mock-draft-chris-simms-final-predictions.amp.htmlSo you say its a myth, I say I seen it with my own eyes. We disagree. It happens. This is nothing like the "flat earth" BS. Stop being ridiculous.
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