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Post by piddy283 on Feb 19, 2021 11:03:37 GMT -5
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 19, 2021 11:07:23 GMT -5
Any bit of breathing room for 21 is huge considering the contracts can push dollars towards 22.
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 19, 2021 11:59:51 GMT -5
Cutting Tate, Toilolo, Mayo and Solder (post June 1st) saves the Giants around $21 Million, I believe would then leave them with $20 million in space. It'll be tight but they are in a better spot with the floor being 180M, could even be set around $185 with the new TV deals.
Will be interesting to see what they do with Zeitler. Can see Bradberry getting restructured too, move some money around to lower his cap hit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 12:39:56 GMT -5
Cutting Tate, Toilolo, Mayo and Solder (post June 1st) saves the Giants around $21 Million, I believe would then leave them with $20 million in space. It'll be tight but they are in a better spot with the floor being 180M, could even be set around $185 with the new TV deals. Will be interesting to see what they do with Zeitler. Can see Bradberry getting restructured too, move some money around to lower his cap hit. Would you be opposed to holding on to Solder as the RT or at least the back up tackle if he can't win the RT spot? That 4+ million they save in cap space might be a better option then signing another 2nd tier RT.. |
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 19, 2021 12:47:01 GMT -5
Cutting Tate, Toilolo, Mayo and Solder (post June 1st) saves the Giants around $21 Million, I believe would then leave them with $20 million in space. It'll be tight but they are in a better spot with the floor being 180M, could even be set around $185 with the new TV deals. Will be interesting to see what they do with Zeitler. Can see Bradberry getting restructured too, move some money around to lower his cap hit. Would you be opposed to holding on to Solder as the RT or at least the back up tackle if he can't win the RT spot? That 4+ million they save in cap space might be a better option then signing another 2nd tier RT.. I mean theres no way they can have Solder sitting on the bench at a $16M cap hit. I think a year away from football plus his age (33 by September) is pretty much guaranteed to be gone. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 12:53:45 GMT -5
Would you be opposed to holding on to Solder as the RT or at least the back up tackle if he can't win the RT spot? That 4+ million they save in cap space might be a better option then signing another 2nd tier RT.. I mean theres no way they can have Solder sitting on the bench at a $16M cap hit. I think a year away from football plus his age (33 by September) is pretty much guaranteed to be gone. That's not how I'm looking at it. He's a 10 million cap hit no matter what so it's that balance of maybe 6 million which is the number I look at for him setting the bench.. Who do they currently have on the roster to be that RT or swing back up? Eli rode the bench to the tune of 20 million.. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 19, 2021 13:02:06 GMT -5
I think were going to restructure Zeitler and Solder rather than cutting them or trading them. This way our OL still has depth of starting players. It's probably more hope on my part than anything else.
I would also keep Hernandez. Stil on his rookie contract. Don't know what the issue is between him and the coaching staff. But the OL coaching last year has a lot to be desired. With 2 different OL coaches and the HC also stepping in. It was a mess at the coaching level which had to influence the players.
I actually like the way our OL looks. And when the hell has a Giant fan said that recently.
But we have 4 players on rookie contracts Hernandez, Lemuix, Pert, and Andrews. Plus Gates is cheap. And Fleming is he even coming back ? And if he does he isn't breaking the bank. Plus the 2nd string Center we just signed was only 2 mil.
That's 9 strong to suit up each week.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 13:05:54 GMT -5
I think were going to restructure Zeitler and Solder rather than cutting them or trading them. This way our OL still has depth of starting players. It's probably more hope on my part than anything else. I would also keep Hernandez. Stil on his rookie contract. Don't know what the issue is between him and the coaching staff. But the OL coaching last year has a lot to be desired. With 2 different OL coaches and the HC also stepping in. It was a mess at the coaching level which had to influence the players. I actually like the way our OL looks. And when the hell has a Giant fan said that recently. But we have 4 players on rookie contracts Hernandez, Lemuix, Pert, and Andrews. Plus Gates is cheap. And Fleming is he even coming back ? And if he does he isn't breaking the bank. Plus the 2nd string Center we just signed was only 2 mil. That's 9 strong to suit up each week. I'm in the camp for keeping Zeitler.. I'm not in the camp to say this oline looks good enough or has 9 strong bodies ready to compete.. |
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Post by GameTime on Feb 19, 2021 13:11:31 GMT -5
-keep the DL intact as much as they can
-get two legit play makers on the offense
-shore up the depth everywhere else.
they have the pocket depth to do all that
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 19, 2021 13:12:14 GMT -5
I think were going to restructure Zeitler and Solder rather than cutting them or trading them. This way our OL still has depth of starting players. It's probably more hope on my part than anything else. I would also keep Hernandez. Stil on his rookie contract. Don't know what the issue is between him and the coaching staff. But the OL coaching last year has a lot to be desired. With 2 different OL coaches and the HC also stepping in. It was a mess at the coaching level which had to influence the players. I actually like the way our OL looks. And when the hell has a Giant fan said that recently. But we have 4 players on rookie contracts Hernandez, Lemuix, Pert, and Andrews. Plus Gates is cheap. And Fleming is he even coming back ? And if he does he isn't breaking the bank. Plus the 2nd string Center we just signed was only 2 mil. That's 9 strong to suit up each week. I've heard Hernandez really struggled after COVID. I've heard this about a few players in various sports. Some come back like nothing happened, others it seems to take a real toll on their bodies. I don't know the potential negative long term impacts, or how realistic it'd be, but restructuring/extending a player like Zietler to lower the impact this year while securing him longer term sounds good to me. Like you, I like our OL as a whole. We need a true RT, but the foundation is there to build upon and the continuity will only help. |
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Post by JoeyCush on Feb 19, 2021 13:13:51 GMT -5
I mean theres no way they can have Solder sitting on the bench at a $16M cap hit. I think a year away from football plus his age (33 by September) is pretty much guaranteed to be gone. That's not how I'm looking at it. He's a 10 million cap hit no matter what so it's that balance of maybe 6 million which is the number I look at for him setting the bench.. Who do they currently have on the roster to be that RT or swing back up? Eli rode the bench to the tune of 20 million.. When you are in a cap situation like the Giants are in, you need to make some kind of decisions to ease the blow. Cutting Solder after June 1st would open up $10M for them to use. That can either be used on players or for the draft class. They paid Fleming 3.4 Million this year to be a backup. What were the Giants supposed to do cut Eli after Jones was named the starter? Thats a silly comparison. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 19, 2021 13:24:09 GMT -5
I think were going to restructure Zeitler and Solder rather than cutting them or trading them. This way our OL still has depth of starting players. It's probably more hope on my part than anything else. I would also keep Hernandez. Stil on his rookie contract. Don't know what the issue is between him and the coaching staff. But the OL coaching last year has a lot to be desired. With 2 different OL coaches and the HC also stepping in. It was a mess at the coaching level which had to influence the players. I actually like the way our OL looks. And when the hell has a Giant fan said that recently. But we have 4 players on rookie contracts Hernandez, Lemuix, Pert, and Andrews. Plus Gates is cheap. And Fleming is he even coming back ? And if he does he isn't breaking the bank. Plus the 2nd string Center we just signed was only 2 mil. That's 9 strong to suit up each week. I'm in the camp for keeping Zeitler.. I'm not in the camp to say this oline looks good enough or has 9 strong bodies ready to compete.. Maybe I am looking at the glass 1/2 full. But I like the depth 4 OT's, 3 Guards, and the 2 Centers. And 8 of the 9 were together last year under Judge. Solder will adapt if we keep him imo. It's the best I've seen in about 8 years. Who even remembers how long it's been the last time I thought we were good before. There were a couple times I thought we corrected things before I leaned into the right hook of reality and the whole damn thing came apart. Using 1st and 2nd rd picks and watching them crash and burn. I'm much more hopeful this time around. Maybe I just want it to be true a little too much. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 13:25:02 GMT -5
That's not how I'm looking at it. He's a 10 million cap hit no matter what so it's that balance of maybe 6 million which is the number I look at for him setting the bench.. Who do they currently have on the roster to be that RT or swing back up? Eli rode the bench to the tune of 20 million.. When you are in a cap situation like the Giants are in, you need to make some kind of decisions to ease the blow. Cutting Solder after June 1st would open up $10M for them to use. That can either be used on players or for the draft class. They paid Fleming 3.4 Million this year to be a backup. What were the Giants supposed to do cut Eli after Jones was named the starter? Thats a silly comparison. I'm seeing this differently in that the 10 million is lost even when cut in June and the balance is what they save or in my opinion keep him for that value. The Giants should've cut Eli once the drafted Jones.. Nothing silly about that mistake.. Googled this... I don't know where I read it differently.. Solder was scheduled to represent a $19.5 million hit against the salary cap in 2020, and he received a $3 million roster bonus back in March. His base salary of $9.9 million will come off the books, so that is the minimum number for cap relief. There is likely a dead money cap hit of roughly $6 million that stays due to the Giants' restructuring of Solder's contract, so expect the amount of space freed up to be around $13 million. Cut him if this is true..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 13:27:16 GMT -5
I think were going to restructure Zeitler and Solder rather than cutting them or trading them. This way our OL still has depth of starting players. It's probably more hope on my part than anything else. I would also keep Hernandez. Stil on his rookie contract. Don't know what the issue is between him and the coaching staff. But the OL coaching last year has a lot to be desired. With 2 different OL coaches and the HC also stepping in. It was a mess at the coaching level which had to influence the players. I actually like the way our OL looks. And when the hell has a Giant fan said that recently. But we have 4 players on rookie contracts Hernandez, Lemuix, Pert, and Andrews. Plus Gates is cheap. And Fleming is he even coming back ? And if he does he isn't breaking the bank. Plus the 2nd string Center we just signed was only 2 mil. That's 9 strong to suit up each week. really struggled after COVID. I've heard this about a few players in various sports. Some come back like nothing happened, others it seems to take a real toll on their bodies. I don't know the potential negative long term impacts, or how realistic it'd be, but restructuring/extending a player like Zietler to lower the impact this year while securing him longer term sounds good to me. Like you, I like our OL as a whole. We need a true RT, but the foundation is there to build upon and the continuity will only help. I've read somewhere that Hernandez struggles with the comprehension of the blocking schemes or to put it bluntly is not smart enough to understand them. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Feb 19, 2021 13:28:24 GMT -5
I mean theres no way they can have Solder sitting on the bench at a $16M cap hit. I think a year away from football plus his age (33 by September) is pretty much guaranteed to be gone. I would think Solder would retire considering the risk to his son. He should have enough money. |
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Post by piddy283 on Feb 19, 2021 15:04:31 GMT -5
I've heard Hernandez really struggled after COVID. I've heard this about a few players in various sports. Some come back like nothing happened, others it seems to take a real toll on their bodies. I don't know the potential negative long term impacts, or how realistic it'd be, but restructuring/extending a player like Zietler to lower the impact this year while securing him longer term sounds good to me. Like you, I like our OL as a whole. We need a true RT, but the foundation is there to build upon and the continuity will only help. I've read somewhere that Hernandez struggles with the comprehension of the blocking schemes or to put it bluntly is not smart enough to understand them. Is that true? I hadn't heard that, but if so that's never good. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 15:27:54 GMT -5
I've read somewhere that Hernandez struggles with the comprehension of the blocking schemes or to put it bluntly is not smart enough to understand them. Is that true? I hadn't heard that, but if so that's never good. Someone pointed out an article about it but I can't find it anymore. It would make sense since he's never been good at picking up stunts.. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2021 16:39:22 GMT -5
I've heard Hernandez really struggled after COVID. I've heard this about a few players in various sports. Some come back like nothing happened, others it seems to take a real toll on their bodies. I don't know the potential negative long term impacts, or how realistic it'd be, but restructuring/extending a player like Zietler to lower the impact this year while securing him longer term sounds good to me. Like you, I like our OL as a whole. We need a true RT, but the foundation is there to build upon and the continuity will only help. I've read somewhere that Hernandez struggles with the comprehension of the blocking schemes or to put it bluntly is not smart enough to understand them. That's exactly why we are using the can't pass block Shane Lemieux...his ability to zone black and athletic ability to get to the second level. We drafted a gap/power/man guard in Hernandez who is fine when the blocking is, as you suggest, simple by design. Judge seems to want some zone thought out there as zone blocking allows for ALL gaps to be used. I ask Giant fans this...who would a Barkley east west running style be productive running behind...zone or gap? Remember that in zone blocking schemes, a runner is not told what gap to run through, but to await for wherever that lane opens and head over yonder...vs a gap scheme, and a blackboard of you run there. Barkley never was a you run in that gap type runner, and his jump cut and acceleration suggest zone. Then ask yourself why we took them together in the same draft?  On edit...some basic zone blocking with the OL ...gives an idea as to why a Quenton Nelson is hall of fame quality...can gap, zone and think like a QB, and why we are seeing more Lemieux. |
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Post by Jomo on Feb 20, 2021 16:52:17 GMT -5
Cutting Tate, Toilolo, Mayo and Solder (post June 1st) saves the Giants around $21 Million, I believe would then leave them with $20 million in space. It'll be tight but they are in a better spot with the floor being 180M, could even be set around $185 with the new TV deals. Will be interesting to see what they do with Zeitler. Can see Bradberry getting restructured too, move some money around to lower his cap hit. Would you be opposed to holding on to Solder as the RT or at least the back up tackle if he can't win the RT spot? That 4+ million they save in cap space might be a better option then signing another 2nd tier RT.. Solder is not a good choice at any position and at any price. He has lost his interest in competing. We saw it in his first season here and sitting out another year for COVID won't make it any better. |
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 20, 2021 17:23:10 GMT -5
I mean theres no way they can have Solder sitting on the bench at a $16M cap hit. I think a year away from football plus his age (33 by September) is pretty much guaranteed to be gone. That's not how I'm looking at it. He's a 10 million cap hit no matter what so it's that balance of maybe 6 million which is the number I look at for him setting the bench.. Who do they currently have on the roster to be that RT or swing back up? Eli rode the bench to the tune of 20 million.. I just don't think its a good decision to play a 33 year old tackle who might be a liability just because we over paid for him, we obviously made a bad business decision with Solders contract but it has to be that you play the best man and not the highest paid, high dollar contracts don't win football games, talent does.. |
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