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Post by TCHOF on Feb 21, 2021 10:45:40 GMT -5
Maybe so, but that’s how capitalism and free markets work. I just can’t get behind the “I’m mad at you because It's not simply a matter of "...you make a lot of money and I don’t” mentality. If you don't understand the impact of what is happening, world wide.... there are many millions who have been laid off. So, people are sitting at home with nothing to do. So, they watch TV. Yes, streaming services are making big bucks these days, Advertisers want those people sitting at home to buy their products. But, the average American has less expendable income. He can't afford to go out to dinner, nor take that 1 week vacation with the family to another state, or the Jersey shore, or skiing upstate NY, VT, Colorado. He can't afford to buy that nicer cut of steak for his BBQ. He would normally bring the family out to dinner for hos wife's BD, or the kid's graduation, but he can't afford it, even if he can find a restaurant that isn't out of business. He is going to make his old car last another couple of years. His hopes of paying off his mortgage off early is down the drain... in fact, millions are refinancing their homes to get some extra cash on hand. His kid who just graduated from college can't get a job, so, he won't be out on his own, and he won't be able to help pay off his college loans. The old man will buy a regular sweatshirt for $10, rather than the one with the Giant's logo on it for $30. I was working on a nice contract with Tyson this past 1.5 years that would have netted me about $30K. I sell equipment that will lift the bags they use with ingredients for their chicken. Employees get back injuries lifting those bags, so my equipment eliminates back injuries and worker's comp costs, and employees missing work for it. But, they can't afford to buy $150,000 of new equipment now, "because of Covid.". They are advertising less. My company would be out of business if it weren't for the Payroll Protection Program. The government has dedicated trillions to that program to help employers keep their employees employed, and to pay their rent. That is trillions of dollars that the government doesn't really have. Just keep printing more money with no basis to support it? But, screw it, let's print some more. We already owe the Chinese trillions of dollars. The value of the dollar decreases world wide. So, maybe we aren't out of a job and hurting, but many millions are. And, what do those people see going on in our country? They see the hottest superstar athlete get a new contract for 200 million dollars while they're telling the wife and kids that Christmas won't be so great this year. We won't have a vacation away from home. We can't buy a new car. We can't go out to dinner, and our favorite restaurant is out of business anyways and has laid off 20 people, so WTF. Are you going to tell me that the average American isn't going to resent the superstar contracts? Of my 6 employees, 3 of the 5 who watched football, basketball, and baseball have totally stopped watching. The other two, me being one, watches far less than I ever have before. I watch no NBA games anymore, and where I would have watched a Steeler/Ravens game, a Skins/Dallas game when my Giants aren't on TV, I don't anymore. I don't care anymore, and I am not alone. There are millions who suddenly feel the same, even if you haven't. The NFL donated 250 million to BLM, and now they are asking for a 100% increase in contracts with broadcasters. You don't think those people out of work resent that Patrick Mahomes has a nice 400+ million contract? .... that they don't resent the NFL and the owners giving their stars these contracts while they are out of work? People are hurting all over, and the NFL would be wise to show some conservative fiscal restraint in line with the reality of the times, How many Budweiser commercials do you see on a Superbowl game? People were looking for Budweiser's entry for a 2020 Super Bowl commercial, but they can only find one. ... Anheuser-Busch announced that it isn't advertising its iconic Budweiser brand during the Super Bowl for the first time since 1983. They did end up paying for one, but last year's SB they had 8. Meanwhile, if the trend continues that I fear will... reduced revenue across the board,,, the Chiefs will be struggling to pay that Mahomes contract in a few years. Those that aren't stars will be asked to take less, and the average American fan will continue to find something else to do on Sundays rather than sit in front of their TV and watch rich superstars play a football game that they can't afford to attend because their job making widgets is gone. The greed of the NFL and it's owners is going to come back and bite them in the ass. That's my point I understand that people are hurting but just do t see how that should mean that the NFL should accept less on its TV deal or that any player should accept less than a full value salary. If the market won’t bear the costs and salaries, then they will go down. Let’s just agree to disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 10:57:36 GMT -5
It's not simply a matter of "...you make a lot of money and I don’t” mentality. If you don't understand the impact of what is happening, world wide.... there are many millions who have been laid off. So, people are sitting at home with nothing to do. So, they watch TV. Yes, streaming services are making big bucks these days, Advertisers want those people sitting at home to buy their products. But, the average American has less expendable income. He can't afford to go out to dinner, nor take that 1 week vacation with the family to another state, or the Jersey shore, or skiing upstate NY, VT, Colorado. He can't afford to buy that nicer cut of steak for his BBQ. He would normally bring the family out to dinner for hos wife's BD, or the kid's graduation, but he can't afford it, even if he can find a restaurant that isn't out of business. He is going to make his old car last another couple of years. His hopes of paying off his mortgage off early is down the drain... in fact, millions are refinancing their homes to get some extra cash on hand. His kid who just graduated from college can't get a job, so, he won't be out on his own, and he won't be able to help pay off his college loans. The old man will buy a regular sweatshirt for $10, rather than the one with the Giant's logo on it for $30. I was working on a nice contract with Tyson this past 1.5 years that would have netted me about $30K. I sell equipment that will lift the bags they use with ingredients for their chicken. Employees get back injuries lifting those bags, so my equipment eliminates back injuries and worker's comp costs, and employees missing work for it. But, they can't afford to buy $150,000 of new equipment now, "because of Covid.". They are advertising less. My company would be out of business if it weren't for the Payroll Protection Program. The government has dedicated trillions to that program to help employers keep their employees employed, and to pay their rent. That is trillions of dollars that the government doesn't really have. Just keep printing more money with no basis to support it? But, screw it, let's print some more. We already owe the Chinese trillions of dollars. The value of the dollar decreases world wide. So, maybe we aren't out of a job and hurting, but many millions are. And, what do those people see going on in our country? They see the hottest superstar athlete get a new contract for 200 million dollars while they're telling the wife and kids that Christmas won't be so great this year. We won't have a vacation away from home. We can't buy a new car. We can't go out to dinner, and our favorite restaurant is out of business anyways and has laid off 20 people, so WTF. Are you going to tell me that the average American isn't going to resent the superstar contracts? Of my 6 employees, 3 of the 5 who watched football, basketball, and baseball have totally stopped watching. The other two, me being one, watches far less than I ever have before. I watch no NBA games anymore, and where I would have watched a Steeler/Ravens game, a Skins/Dallas game when my Giants aren't on TV, I don't anymore. I don't care anymore, and I am not alone. There are millions who suddenly feel the same, even if you haven't. The NFL donated 250 million to BLM, and now they are asking for a 100% increase in contracts with broadcasters. You don't think those people out of work resent that Patrick Mahomes has a nice 400+ million contract? .... that they don't resent the NFL and the owners giving their stars these contracts while they are out of work? People are hurting all over, and the NFL would be wise to show some conservative fiscal restraint in line with the reality of the times, How many Budweiser commercials do you see on a Superbowl game? People were looking for Budweiser's entry for a 2020 Super Bowl commercial, but they can only find one. ... Anheuser-Busch announced that it isn't advertising its iconic Budweiser brand during the Super Bowl for the first time since 1983. They did end up paying for one, but last year's SB they had 8. Meanwhile, if the trend continues that I fear will... reduced revenue across the board,,, the Chiefs will be struggling to pay that Mahomes contract in a few years. Those that aren't stars will be asked to take less, and the average American fan will continue to find something else to do on Sundays rather than sit in front of their TV and watch rich superstars play a football game that they can't afford to attend because their job making widgets is gone. The greed of the NFL and it's owners is going to come back and bite them in the ass. That's my point I understand that people are hurting but just do t see how that should mean that the NFL should accept less on its TV deal or that any player should accept less than a full value salary. If the market won’t bear the costs and salaries, then they will go down. Let’s just agree to disagree. Question....you probably will choose not to answer, but just for the sake of asking...what is your limit, if you have one? Where do you draw the line, personally? What do you consider cost feasible, or do you run with it as whatever it takes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 11:00:59 GMT -5
Am I missing something? As a consumer of football on TV, here's the net effect of this - a few more commercials. If I were a business that advertises during football games, the cost will increase if they can justify it, or they will get creative with packages. I miss anything? See I don't see that , I see the NFL becoming a streaming product where to watch we must all pay .Disney is the first step taking ESPN to all streaming or hitting up the cable /satellite providers who must pass it on to us the consumer. And streaming is cheaper than cable as of right now. I stream on Sling. However, Xfinity is getting clever and raising their internet prices dramatically because they are trying to screw everybody who doesn’t use cable. So pretty soon, we are all going to be stuck. We can’t even save anymore. NJ legislation is all over them about it but I don’t think it’s going to do any good.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 21, 2021 11:06:34 GMT -5
I understand that people are hurting but just do t see how that should mean that the NFL should accept less on its TV deal or that any player should accept less than a full value salary. If the market won’t bear the costs and salaries, then they will go down. Let’s just agree to disagree. Question....you probably will choose not to answer, but just for the sake of asking...what is your limit, if you have one? Where do you draw the line, personally? What do you consider cost feasible, or do you run with it as whatever it takes. I couldn’t care less what these guys make. If it got to the point that the ticket prices got too expensive for me, I would stop buying them. Pretty simple stuff. If you are always comparing what you have to what everyone else has, you are going to lead a pretty angry and bitter life because guess what? There is always going to be someone that has more than you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 11:07:49 GMT -5
And streaming is cheaper than cable as of right now. I stream on Sling. However, Xfinity is getting clever and raising their internet prices dramatically because they are trying to screw everybody who doesn’t use cable. So pretty soon, we are all going to be stuck. We can’t even save anymore. NJ legislation is all over them about it but I don’t think it’s going to do any good. Not my point, when they do go all streaming then we all must pay to watch. That's BS. Oh...I see. The cost will not be associated with the streaming cost. It will be separate, off to itself. I was talking about the cost as a whole.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 11:11:39 GMT -5
We can’t even save anymore. NJ legislation is all over them about it but I don’t think it’s going to do any good. It has nothing to do with NJ or Murphey. No...I’m saying NJ representatives confronted Xfinity about the attempted rate hikes. They said that doing this during the health emergency was criminal....seeing that usage is up because of home schooling and work from home. It is essential and internet price hikes, streaming included, is not an option.
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Post by TEM on Feb 21, 2021 11:17:15 GMT -5
At some point it is going to become flat. There is no more money to be produced. We may be seeing the very beginning of that process. Maybe so, but that’s how capitalism and free markets work. I just can’t get behind the “I’m mad at you because you make a lot of money and I don’t” mentality. I agree I am a pure capitalist myself. Capitalism is the engine that powers innovation.
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Post by Speedman on Feb 21, 2021 11:22:21 GMT -5
May I add the average fan all so resents being the one to foot the bill . They will be other alternatives. How are you footing the bill? When was the last time you paid for a ticket and went to a game? You’re footing the bill every time you buy a product that is advertised on tv.
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Post by imgrate on Feb 21, 2021 11:27:39 GMT -5
It's not simply a matter of "...you make a lot of money and I don’t” mentality. If you don't understand the impact of what is happening, world wide.... there are many millions who have been laid off. So, people are sitting at home with nothing to do. So, they watch TV. Yes, streaming services are making big bucks these days, Advertisers want those people sitting at home to buy their products. But, the average American has less expendable income. He can't afford to go out to dinner, nor take that 1 week vacation with the family to another state, or the Jersey shore, or skiing upstate NY, VT, Colorado. He can't afford to buy that nicer cut of steak for his BBQ. He would normally bring the family out to dinner for hos wife's BD, or the kid's graduation, but he can't afford it, even if he can find a restaurant that isn't out of business. He is going to make his old car last another couple of years. His hopes of paying off his mortgage off early is down the drain... in fact, millions are refinancing their homes to get some extra cash on hand. His kid who just graduated from college can't get a job, so, he won't be out on his own, and he won't be able to help pay off his college loans. The old man will buy a regular sweatshirt for $10, rather than the one with the Giant's logo on it for $30. I was working on a nice contract with Tyson this past 1.5 years that would have netted me about $30K. I sell equipment that will lift the bags they use with ingredients for their chicken. Employees get back injuries lifting those bags, so my equipment eliminates back injuries and worker's comp costs, and employees missing work for it. But, they can't afford to buy $150,000 of new equipment now, "because of Covid.". They are advertising less. My company would be out of business if it weren't for the Payroll Protection Program. The government has dedicated trillions to that program to help employers keep their employees employed, and to pay their rent. That is trillions of dollars that the government doesn't really have. Just keep printing more money with no basis to support it? But, screw it, let's print some more. We already owe the Chinese trillions of dollars. The value of the dollar decreases world wide. So, maybe we aren't out of a job and hurting, but many millions are. And, what do those people see going on in our country? They see the hottest superstar athlete get a new contract for 200 million dollars while they're telling the wife and kids that Christmas won't be so great this year. We won't have a vacation away from home. We can't buy a new car. We can't go out to dinner, and our favorite restaurant is out of business anyways and has laid off 20 people, so WTF. Are you going to tell me that the average American isn't going to resent the superstar contracts? Of my 6 employees, 3 of the 5 who watched football, basketball, and baseball have totally stopped watching. The other two, me being one, watches far less than I ever have before. I watch no NBA games anymore, and where I would have watched a Steeler/Ravens game, a Skins/Dallas game when my Giants aren't on TV, I don't anymore. I don't care anymore, and I am not alone. There are millions who suddenly feel the same, even if you haven't. The NFL donated 250 million to BLM, and now they are asking for a 100% increase in contracts with broadcasters. You don't think those people out of work resent that Patrick Mahomes has a nice 400+ million contract? .... that they don't resent the NFL and the owners giving their stars these contracts while they are out of work? People are hurting all over, and the NFL would be wise to show some conservative fiscal restraint in line with the reality of the times, How many Budweiser commercials do you see on a Superbowl game? People were looking for Budweiser's entry for a 2020 Super Bowl commercial, but they can only find one. ... Anheuser-Busch announced that it isn't advertising its iconic Budweiser brand during the Super Bowl for the first time since 1983. They did end up paying for one, but last year's SB they had 8. Meanwhile, if the trend continues that I fear will... reduced revenue across the board,,, the Chiefs will be struggling to pay that Mahomes contract in a few years. Those that aren't stars will be asked to take less, and the average American fan will continue to find something else to do on Sundays rather than sit in front of their TV and watch rich superstars play a football game that they can't afford to attend because their job making widgets is gone. The greed of the NFL and it's owners is going to come back and bite them in the ass. That's my point I understand that people are hurting but just do t see how that should mean that the NFL should accept less on its TV deal or that any player should accept less than a full value salary. If the market won’t bear the costs and salaries, then they will go down. Let’s just agree to disagree. I think another way to view what Zim and USMC are trying to get across (yall two jump in if I'm wrong) is that most people want to watch things that relate to them. Football is the sport where most players have to be tough, gritty, and do whatever it takes to help you, your teammates, and your team. Now, as more money pumps to the players they become less relatable, and also as the league becomes less physical due to rules, then different personalities of people are in the NFL. Snobbier, me-attitude folks that aren't relatable and fans don't relate to and don't want to watch. Back in the not so distant past, it felt like these players showed up, worked hard, and respected the organization of things. Those are things that people can relate to and respect because its how they live their lives or how they expect people to live their lives. This is how I perceive what Zim and USMC are getting at. That's the what I'll call "noble" side of it...I think there's also folks that have some anger that comes from how over the years, the players have been able to gain more power in the league, while at the same time the income gap at regular corporations has gone the opposite way and this increased price is just another example of it. Keep in mind, TChof, there's a difference between how a majority of people actually feel and how you logically think they should feel.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 21, 2021 11:31:26 GMT -5
I understand that people are hurting but just do t see how that should mean that the NFL should accept less on its TV deal or that any player should accept less than a full value salary. If the market won’t bear the costs and salaries, then they will go down. Let’s just agree to disagree. I think another way to view what Zim and USMC are trying to get across (yall two jump in if I'm wrong) is that most people want to watch things that relate to them. Football is the sport where most players have to be tough, gritty, and do whatever it takes to help you, your teammates, and your team. Now, as more money pumps to the players they become less relatable, and also as the league becomes less physical due to rules, then different personalities of people are in the NFL. Snobbier, me-attitude folks that aren't relatable and fans don't relate to and don't want to watch. Back in the not so distant past, it felt like these players showed up, worked hard, and respected the organization of things. Those are things that people can relate to and respect because its how they live their lives or how they expect people to live their lives. This is how I perceive what Zim and USMC are getting at. That's the what I'll call "noble" side of it...I think there's also folks that have some anger that comes from how over the years, the players have been able to gain more power in the league, while at the same time the income gap at regular corporations has gone the opposite way and this increased price is just another example of it. Keep in mind, TChof, there's a difference between how a majority of people actually feel and how you logically think they should feel. I have no problem with anyone feeling like that and adjusting their consuming habits accordingly. And if enough people feel that way and stop watching the NFL, then they will have to adjust their model so that they don’t go the way of the Blackberry.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 21, 2021 11:33:13 GMT -5
How are you footing the bill? When was the last time you paid for a ticket and went to a game? You’re footing the bill every time you buy a product that is advertised on tv. I only buy generic and I close my eyes during commercials.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 11:37:09 GMT -5
No...I’m saying NJ representatives confronted Xfinity about the attempted rate hikes. They said that doing this during the health emergency was criminal....seeing that usage is up because of home schooling and work from home. It is essential and internet price hikes, streaming included, is not an option. I have Comcast and while I was suppose to get a hike I called and the customer service rep took care of it for me. Took me about 15 mins . Not an excuse but many of them are computer generated, a phone call solved it. Cool...I’m on it, thanks.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 21, 2021 11:37:37 GMT -5
How are you footing the bill? When was the last time you paid for a ticket and went to a game? You’re footing the bill every time you buy a product that is advertised on tv. thats called living... we all have to buy things. Basic necessities and other items that are luxuries. People make stuff and people buy stuff. Its basic economics.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 21, 2021 11:39:17 GMT -5
I do agree the cable and phone companies all suck. I depend on my phone and internet and I also enjoy it so its a catch 22. I pay but I also use it extensively.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 21, 2021 11:39:41 GMT -5
Not sure why any person would resent the fact that anyone else makes money, but I guess that’s the thinking behind the rising push for socialism in this country. I am not in favor of paying players ridiculous sums of money to play this game for one reason. The fans pay for it in the end. We pay for it with higher season ticket costs, parking fees, concessions, and of course and worst of all, increased advertising, which means more stoppages and distractions from the game. Why blame the players though? The owners are making money hand over fist ... if the players salaries are less, that means that the owners pocket more. The players put their health and futures on the line and the owners are making billions off of their backs. I have zero problem with the players getting a nice chunk of the billions that they were instrumental in generating.
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Post by Speedman on Feb 21, 2021 11:41:00 GMT -5
You’re footing the bill every time you buy a product that is advertised on tv. thats called living... we all have to buy things. Basic necessities and other items that are luxuries. People make stuff and people buy stuff. Its basic economics. The point was that the cost of the advertising goes into the cost of the product.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 11:41:06 GMT -5
Maybe so, but that’s how capitalism and free markets work. I just can’t get behind the “I’m mad at you because you make a lot of money and I don’t” mentality. I agree I am a pure capitalist myself. Capitalism is the engine that powers innovation. I am by no means a communist or a socialist, but let’s face it...capitalism only works well for the ones who already have wealth and can afford to maintain. It does absolutely nothing for me and the next door neighbor paying almost $3.00 a gallon for gas.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 21, 2021 11:42:14 GMT -5
IMO ratings will continue to deteriorate. The bubble will burst. We've got millions out of work and a very unsure economy, yet star athlete contracts continue to increase beyond reason. Many utility players make as much as 100X more than an average man's salary, and glorification of athletes as 'special' in our society continues. I know many who feel deeply resentful of the average Pro's contracts in these hard times and have stopped watching sports almost all together. There seems no end to the next announcement of a blockbuster superstar contract worth hundreds of millions of dollars. When will the NFL show some restraint after a year of significantly reduced viewer ratings? They seem oblivious to respect for the common fan in the face of another year of more Covid restrictions, people out of work, and further deterioration of ratings. While they are concerned about reduced ratings and appealing to the younger audience, they are in danger of losing their core audience of middle aged, middle America. It’s endless! You never hear any league official or player say “ we are just going to have to tighten our belts through this crisis.” The sky is the limit with these people. It’s like NJ property taxes. The NFL to me has some hutzpah to ask for a 100% increase in TV revenue. Especially Monday night as their ratings have been falling for years. Do they have to have 10 year contracts ? Your so right, I believe this is the first time ever the cap has gone down. The NFL has been what is considered outrages thru the years but they have the goods. The networks need them as much as they need the exposure of the TV media. This site is a testimony of their popularity. And I'm one of their millions of minions that can't stop watching or talking NFL football.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 21, 2021 11:44:46 GMT -5
I agree I am a pure capitalist myself. Capitalism is the engine that powers innovation. I am by no means a communist or a socialist, but let’s face it...capitalism only works well for the ones who already have wealth and can afford to maintain. It does absolutely nothing for me and the next door neighbor paying almost $3.00 a gallon for gas. Because the people who make a lot of money didn’t earn it and don’t deserve it, right?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 11:49:57 GMT -5
I understand that people are hurting but just do t see how that should mean that the NFL should accept less on its TV deal or that any player should accept less than a full value salary. If the market won’t bear the costs and salaries, then they will go down. Let’s just agree to disagree. I think another way to view what Zim and USMC are trying to get across (yall two jump in if I'm wrong) is that most people want to watch things that relate to them. Football is the sport where most players have to be tough, gritty, and do whatever it takes to help you, your teammates, and your team. Now, as more money pumps to the players they become less relatable, and also as the league becomes less physical due to rules, then different personalities of people are in the NFL. Snobbier, me-attitude folks that aren't relatable and fans don't relate to and don't want to watch. Back in the not so distant past, it felt like these players showed up, worked hard, and respected the organization of things. Those are things that people can relate to and respect because its how they live their lives or how they expect people to live their lives. This is how I perceive what Zim and USMC are getting at. That's the what I'll call "noble" side of it...I think there's also folks that have some anger that comes from how over the years, the players have been able to gain more power in the league, while at the same time the income gap at regular corporations has gone the opposite way and this increased price is just another example of it. Keep in mind, TChof, there's a difference between how a majority of people actually feel and how you logically think they should feel. Not exactly...for me I feel an organization with multimillion dollar executives and “employees” throughout the entire company who could probably afford to purchase a small distant unnamed planet, has the balls to 100% hike its financial demand when people are SERIOUSLY in trouble financially. Acting as if their pain is equivalent to say Joe’s down the street is just outrageous.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 11:52:58 GMT -5
I am by no means a communist or a socialist, but let’s face it...capitalism only works well for the ones who already have wealth and can afford to maintain. It does absolutely nothing for me and the next door neighbor paying almost $3.00 a gallon for gas. Because the people who make a lot of money didn’t earn it and don’t deserve it, right? No, not at all. But capitalism’s “machine” works for the specific group. Not all. If you are buying generic like you said previously, it’s not working for you either. However...it is YOUR choice and right to buy generic, but that is not the point I’m trying to make.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 21, 2021 11:57:34 GMT -5
I think another way to view what Zim and USMC are trying to get across (yall two jump in if I'm wrong) is that most people want to watch things that relate to them. Football is the sport where most players have to be tough, gritty, and do whatever it takes to help you, your teammates, and your team. Now, as more money pumps to the players they become less relatable, and also as the league becomes less physical due to rules, then different personalities of people are in the NFL. Snobbier, me-attitude folks that aren't relatable and fans don't relate to and don't want to watch. Back in the not so distant past, it felt like these players showed up, worked hard, and respected the organization of things. Those are things that people can relate to and respect because its how they live their lives or how they expect people to live their lives. This is how I perceive what Zim and USMC are getting at. That's the what I'll call "noble" side of it...I think there's also folks that have some anger that comes from how over the years, the players have been able to gain more power in the league, while at the same time the income gap at regular corporations has gone the opposite way and this increased price is just another example of it. Keep in mind, TChof, there's a difference between how a majority of people actually feel and how you logically think they should feel. Not exactly...for me I feel an organization with multimillion dollar executives and “employees” throughout the entire company who could probably afford to purchase a small distant unnamed planet, has the balls to 100% hike its financial demand when people are SERIOUSLY in trouble financially. Acting as if their pain is equivalent to say Joe’s down the street is just outrageous. You going to stop watching?
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Post by Zimonami on Feb 21, 2021 11:57:54 GMT -5
It's not simply a matter of "...you make a lot of money and I don’t” mentality. If you don't understand the impact of what is happening, world wide.... there are many millions who have been laid off. So, people are sitting at home with nothing to do. So, they watch TV. Yes, streaming services are making big bucks these days, Advertisers want those people sitting at home to buy their products. But, the average American has less expendable income. He can't afford to go out to dinner, nor take that 1 week vacation with the family to another state, or the Jersey shore, or skiing upstate NY, VT, Colorado. He can't afford to buy that nicer cut of steak for his BBQ. He would normally bring the family out to dinner for hos wife's BD, or the kid's graduation, but he can't afford it, even if he can find a restaurant that isn't out of business. He is going to make his old car last another couple of years. His hopes of paying off his mortgage off early is down the drain... in fact, millions are refinancing their homes to get some extra cash on hand. His kid who just graduated from college can't get a job, so, he won't be out on his own, and he won't be able to help pay off his college loans. The old man will buy a regular sweatshirt for $10, rather than the one with the Giant's logo on it for $30. I was working on a nice contract with Tyson this past 1.5 years that would have netted me about $30K. I sell equipment that will lift the bags they use with ingredients for their chicken. Employees get back injuries lifting those bags, so my equipment eliminates back injuries and worker's comp costs, and employees missing work for it. But, they can't afford to buy $150,000 of new equipment now, "because of Covid.". They are advertising less. My company would be out of business if it weren't for the Payroll Protection Program. The government has dedicated trillions to that program to help employers keep their employees employed, and to pay their rent. That is trillions of dollars that the government doesn't really have. Just keep printing more money with no basis to support it? But, screw it, let's print some more. We already owe the Chinese trillions of dollars. The value of the dollar decreases world wide. So, maybe we aren't out of a job and hurting, but many millions are. And, what do those people see going on in our country? They see the hottest superstar athlete get a new contract for 200 million dollars while they're telling the wife and kids that Christmas won't be so great this year. We won't have a vacation away from home. We can't buy a new car. We can't go out to dinner, and our favorite restaurant is out of business anyways and has laid off 20 people, so WTF. Are you going to tell me that the average American isn't going to resent the superstar contracts? Of my 6 employees, 3 of the 5 who watched football, basketball, and baseball have totally stopped watching. The other two, me being one, watches far less than I ever have before. I watch no NBA games anymore, and where I would have watched a Steeler/Ravens game, a Skins/Dallas game when my Giants aren't on TV, I don't anymore. I don't care anymore, and I am not alone. There are millions who suddenly feel the same, even if you haven't. The NFL donated 250 million to BLM, and now they are asking for a 100% increase in contracts with broadcasters. You don't think those people out of work resent that Patrick Mahomes has a nice 400+ million contract? .... that they don't resent the NFL and the owners giving their stars these contracts while they are out of work? People are hurting all over, and the NFL would be wise to show some conservative fiscal restraint in line with the reality of the times, How many Budweiser commercials do you see on a Superbowl game? People were looking for Budweiser's entry for a 2020 Super Bowl commercial, but they can only find one. ... Anheuser-Busch announced that it isn't advertising its iconic Budweiser brand during the Super Bowl for the first time since 1983. They did end up paying for one, but last year's SB they had 8. Meanwhile, if the trend continues that I fear will... reduced revenue across the board,,, the Chiefs will be struggling to pay that Mahomes contract in a few years. Those that aren't stars will be asked to take less, and the average American fan will continue to find something else to do on Sundays rather than sit in front of their TV and watch rich superstars play a football game that they can't afford to attend because their job making widgets is gone. The greed of the NFL and it's owners is going to come back and bite them in the ass. That's my point I understand that people are hurting but just do t see how that should mean that the NFL should accept less on its TV deal or that any player should accept less than a full value salary. If the market won’t bear the costs and salaries, then they will go down. Let’s just agree to disagree. Yes, they will be forced to go down. In order to pay Mahomes they Chiefs might not be ably to pay their best OT when his contract is up, or maybe one of their WR's. Whatever, the strength of the team will suffer so that they can pay Mahomes. Hey I don't resent Mahomes getting what he can get, but in the face of future realities it was a bad time to grant a new contract for 10 years at an average of $40 mil/yr. A shorter contract would have been wiser at this time. Here's where the Advertising revenue is. If you don't think this shows signals of a decline in revenue and the need for more fiscal responsibility, then you're missing something.............. deadline.com/2020/12/nfl-ratings-slump-affecting-network-advertising-revenues-report-1234655747/How about the total picture, which includes merchandise? www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiym8CBufvuAhUmwFkKHUStBEYQFjALegQIIBAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fawfulannouncing.com%2Fnfl%2Fnfls-struggles-arent-just-limited-falling-tv-ratings-merchandise-sales-also-dropping.html&usg=AOvVaw2otCF91tyyGjgbjlJEjH95Yes, we'll agree to disagree... let's see where it's at in 3 years, even after Covid is gone. With less TV revenue and fewer NFL merchandise the teams will jack prices. MY seat that cost me $11 in 1980 is now $120, and it will go higher so they can pay their athletes and general employees when revenues decrease. with parking and concessions, and maybe a souvenir you're looking at $400 for 2 to attend a game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 12:02:47 GMT -5
Not exactly...for me I feel an organization with multimillion dollar executives and “employees” throughout the entire company who could probably afford to purchase a small distant unnamed planet, has the balls to 100% hike its financial demand when people are SERIOUSLY in trouble financially. Acting as if their pain is equivalent to say Joe’s down the street is just outrageous. You going to stop watching? I have previously...but I went back. It’s looking more and more that one day I probably will for good. Will you keep watching or have you thought about stopping?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 12:05:39 GMT -5
I understand that people are hurting but just do t see how that should mean that the NFL should accept less on its TV deal or that any player should accept less than a full value salary. If the market won’t bear the costs and salaries, then they will go down. Let’s just agree to disagree. Yes, they will be forced to go down. In order to pay Mahomes they Chiefs might not be ably to pay their best OT when his contract is up, or maybe one of their WR's. Whatever, the strength of the team will suffer so that they can pay Mahomes. Hey I don't resent Mahomes getting what he can get, but in the face of future realities it was a bad time to grant a new contract for 10 years at an average of $40 mil/yr. A shorter contract would have been wiser at this time. Here's where the Advertising revenue is. If you don't think this shows signals of a decline in revenue and the need for more fiscal responsibility, then you're missing something.............. deadline.com/2020/12/nfl-ratings-slump-affecting-network-advertising-revenues-report-1234655747/How about the total picture, which includes merchandise? www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiym8CBufvuAhUmwFkKHUStBEYQFjALegQIIBAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fawfulannouncing.com%2Fnfl%2Fnfls-struggles-arent-just-limited-falling-tv-ratings-merchandise-sales-also-dropping.html&usg=AOvVaw2otCF91tyyGjgbjlJEjH95Yes, we'll agree to disagree... let's see where it's at in 3 years, even after Covid is gone. With less TV revenue and fewer NFL merchandise the teams will jack prices. MY seat that cost me $11 in 1980 is now $120, and it will go higher so they can pay their athletes and general employees when revenues decrease. with parking and concessions, and maybe a souvenir you're looking at $400 for 2 to attend a game. Horrible...$400 is my PSEG bill in the middle of August.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 21, 2021 12:08:47 GMT -5
You going to stop watching? I have previously...but I went back. It’s looking more and more that one day I probably will for good. Will you keep watching or have you thought about stopping? I will always watch. As I said, the player salaries and TV contracts have no effect on my fandom at all.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 21, 2021 12:11:44 GMT -5
I understand that people are hurting but just do t see how that should mean that the NFL should accept less on its TV deal or that any player should accept less than a full value salary. If the market won’t bear the costs and salaries, then they will go down. Let’s just agree to disagree. Yes, they will be forced to go down. In order to pay Mahomes they Chiefs might not be ably to pay their best OT when his contract is up, or maybe one of their WR's. Whatever, the strength of the team will suffer so that they can pay Mahomes. Hey I don't resent Mahomes getting what he can get, but in the face of future realities it was a bad time to grant a new contract for 10 years at an average of $40 mil/yr. A shorter contract would have been wiser at this time. Here's where the Advertising revenue is. If you don't think this shows signals of a decline in revenue and the need for more fiscal responsibility, then you're missing something.............. deadline.com/2020/12/nfl-ratings-slump-affecting-network-advertising-revenues-report-1234655747/How about the total picture, which includes merchandise? www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiym8CBufvuAhUmwFkKHUStBEYQFjALegQIIBAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fawfulannouncing.com%2Fnfl%2Fnfls-struggles-arent-just-limited-falling-tv-ratings-merchandise-sales-also-dropping.html&usg=AOvVaw2otCF91tyyGjgbjlJEjH95Yes, we'll agree to disagree... let's see where it's at in 3 years, even after Covid is gone. With less TV revenue and fewer NFL merchandise the teams will jack prices. MY seat that cost me $11 in 1980 is now $120, and it will go higher so they can pay their athletes and general employees when revenues decrease. with parking and concessions, and maybe a souvenir you're looking at $400 for 2 to attend a game. Fair point. Long-time season ticket holders have a legit gripe about the increase in ticket prices. I was a season-ticket holder at the old stadium, but didn’t want to pay the PSL’s ... I go to 1-2 games a year now. Is what it is ....
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Post by Zimonami on Feb 21, 2021 12:18:07 GMT -5
I am not in favor of paying players ridiculous sums of money to play this game for one reason. The fans pay for it in the end. We pay for it with higher season ticket costs, parking fees, concessions, and of course and worst of all, increased advertising, which means more stoppages and distractions from the game. Why blame the players though? The owners are making money hand over fist ... if the players salaries are less, that means that the owners pocket more. The players put their health and futures on the line and the owners are making billions off of their backs. I have zero problem with the players getting a nice chunk of the billions that they were instrumental in generating. nobody blames the players gor taking what the owners will pay. BUT, the players contracts are what is visible to the public... not the owner's profits... so, they point to a contract as being absurd. It's not resentment on a personal basis... it's resentment of the entire picture, with the athlets contract as the easiest thing to criticize. Let's take a look at the picture in sports when things started to take off, and the athletes realized they were entited to some of that advertising/merchandise revenue. Mickey Mantle earned $32,500 in 1956... the year he won the Triple Crown. The average American income at that time was $3,800. Now, Mantle's salary was increased to $65,000 after that great year. So, at that time one of the highest paid players in baseball was earning about 15-16 times more than the average American worker. Today the average worker makes about $40,000 a year, if he/she has a job. So, Mahomes at $40mil/yr will be making 1,000 times more than the average worker. It's just harder for the average person to relate to... and, if the NFL alienates the average person they are in trouble. if you don't think the average person will view those contract facts and rebel, you are wrong. Like I said, 3 of my 5 employees have stopped watching sports 100%. They are your average person.
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Post by Zimonami on Feb 21, 2021 12:22:46 GMT -5
Yes, they will be forced to go down. In order to pay Mahomes they Chiefs might not be ably to pay their best OT when his contract is up, or maybe one of their WR's. Whatever, the strength of the team will suffer so that they can pay Mahomes. Hey I don't resent Mahomes getting what he can get, but in the face of future realities it was a bad time to grant a new contract for 10 years at an average of $40 mil/yr. A shorter contract would have been wiser at this time. Here's where the Advertising revenue is. If you don't think this shows signals of a decline in revenue and the need for more fiscal responsibility, then you're missing something.............. deadline.com/2020/12/nfl-ratings-slump-affecting-network-advertising-revenues-report-1234655747/How about the total picture, which includes merchandise? www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiym8CBufvuAhUmwFkKHUStBEYQFjALegQIIBAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fawfulannouncing.com%2Fnfl%2Fnfls-struggles-arent-just-limited-falling-tv-ratings-merchandise-sales-also-dropping.html&usg=AOvVaw2otCF91tyyGjgbjlJEjH95Yes, we'll agree to disagree... let's see where it's at in 3 years, even after Covid is gone. With less TV revenue and fewer NFL merchandise the teams will jack prices. MY seat that cost me $11 in 1980 is now $120, and it will go higher so they can pay their athletes and general employees when revenues decrease. with parking and concessions, and maybe a souvenir you're looking at $400 for 2 to attend a game. Fair point. Long-time season ticket holders have a legit gripe about the increase in ticket prices. I was a season-ticket holder at the old stadium, but didn’t want to pay the PSL’s ... I go to 1-2 games a year now. Is what it is .... exactly... you now go to fewer games... and you are a super Giant fan. The average person who might splurge for a game or 2 every year is now sitting home instead. It all impacts the bottom line, and my point is that RIGHT NOW the league, owners, and players would be way wiser not to look greedy at the fan's expense, and to recognize that the bubble is shrinking and they need to take steps now to be fiscally responsible before it bursts.
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Post by Zimonami on Feb 21, 2021 12:29:28 GMT -5
And one other point on merchandise. This year I got a NYG face mask (sign of the times), 2 shirts, and a pair of lounging pants for Christmas. Plus, I bought a NYG hat for my daughter -in-law, and some shirts for her and my son. Every single one of those products was made in China... and the quality of the shirts and pants were way cheaper than my NFL/Giants gear purchased just 5 years ago... and the prices of the merchandise continue to soar. I DO resent that, and my son , his wife, and I have all agreed that we will not buy NFL merchandise for BDays and Christmas anymore. I'm just one consumer of many that will do the same.
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