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Post by krappdetector on Feb 21, 2021 12:38:33 GMT -5
If the average Joe resents pro ballers high salaries but continue to watch the games and buy the beer nothing will change. But if revenues go down enough to significantly affect profits then salaries will also decline. It's that simple. Anything else is irrelevant whining and pontification about 'fairness' fueled by envy.
I ask... Would YOU take a salary cut if it wasn't necessary because others are out of work, Covid or not?
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Post by Nite on Feb 21, 2021 13:02:49 GMT -5
And one other point on merchandise. This year I got a NYG face mask (sign of the times), 2 shirts, and a pair of lounging pants for Christmas. Plus, I bought a NYG hat for my daughter -in-law, and some shirts for her and my son. Every single one of those products was made in China... and the quality of the shirts and pants were way cheaper than my NFL/Giants gear purchased just 5 years ago... and the prices of the merchandise continue to soar. I DO resent that, and my son , his wife, and I have all agreed that we will not buy NFL merchandise for BDays and Christmas anymore. I'm just one consumer of many that will do the same. If I buy any merchandise its through 3rd parties like Ebay. At the least my $$ is going to a small business located in the US (The origin of the item is most likely SE Asia). Speaking of quality, I still have my STYX concert t-shirt I bought in 1980 for the Paradise Theater tour. It has held up through all these years, and not faded. Doesn't fit though but I'm working on that I marvel at the quality and at the tag that says; "made in the USA". If I recall I paid about $ 8 - 10 for it, perhaps less
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Post by TEM on Feb 21, 2021 13:33:37 GMT -5
I agree I am a pure capitalist myself. Capitalism is the engine that powers innovation. I am by no means a communist or a socialist, but let’s face it...capitalism only works well for the ones who already have wealth and can afford to maintain. It does absolutely nothing for me and the next door neighbor paying almost $3.00 a gallon for gas. That is so far from the truth. You would not have the medical technology. The Information we have at our finger tips. The access to food, transportation..... I could list thousands of examples on how capitalisms has enriched everyday life. If you look at the history of the earth. It flatlined after the fall of Roman empire. A capitalistic society. Until the rise of the United states (Capitalism). It was a hard life to endure. We have the luxuries of a good life because of Capitalism not in spite of it.
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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 21, 2021 13:49:07 GMT -5
I am not in favor of paying players ridiculous sums of money to play this game for one reason. The fans pay for it in the end. We pay for it with higher season ticket costs, parking fees, concessions, and of course and worst of all, increased advertising, which means more stoppages and distractions from the game. Why blame the players though? The owners are making money hand over fist ... if the players salaries are less, that means that the owners pocket more. The players put their health and futures on the line and the owners are making billions off of their backs. I have zero problem with the players getting a nice chunk of the billions that they were instrumental in generating.
I don't blame the players. I was among the minority who sided with the players and was against the owners reducing their piece of the pie during the last CBA.
When I think of the NFL getting twice the TV revenue from the networks, I can only picture the concessions the league will make in return.
The game is barely watchable at times with all the stoppages and other nonsense, and this will only worsen as the networks look to maximize their earnings off the broadcasts.
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Post by te88 on Feb 21, 2021 14:01:29 GMT -5
The problem with this is it will mean more ads.
Personally, advertising and the whoring out of the sport is what has turned me off more than anything as time goes on. Games are barely watchable as it is.
The NFL doesn’t do enough to protect the sport from ads. They embrace it and it has ruined the product
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 21, 2021 14:12:59 GMT -5
The problem with this is it will mean more ads. Personally, advertising and the whoring out of the sport is what has turned me off more than anything as time goes on. Games are barely watchable as it is. The NFL doesn’t do enough to protect the sport from ads. They embrace it and it has ruined the product They have to. The ancillary revenue lines do not drive very much of the business model. NFL financing and their wholesale lines - both those to individual teams as well as the league LOC - are supported by the TV contracts.
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Post by te88 on Feb 21, 2021 15:21:40 GMT -5
The problem with this is it will mean more ads. Personally, advertising and the whoring out of the sport is what has turned me off more than anything as time goes on. Games are barely watchable as it is. The NFL doesn’t do enough to protect the sport from ads. They embrace it and it has ruined the product They have to. The ancillary revenue lines do not drive very much of the business model. NFL financing and their wholesale lines - both those to individual teams as well as the league LOC - are supported by the TV contracts. I don’t really care why. I’m just saying their sport kinda sucks now and the ads are why. A football game is a bit of a joke these days with the amount of stoppages. Soccer is the biggest sport on earth and has players making plenty of dough. No ads during play. Sports are just too much of a time commitment if you are going to watch live games. That’s why most people don’t now and instead play fantasy sports/gamble or watch highlights/redZone
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Post by Delicreep on Feb 21, 2021 15:29:58 GMT -5
Why blame the players though? The owners are making money hand over fist ... if the players salaries are less, that means that the owners pocket more. The players put their health and futures on the line and the owners are making billions off of their backs. I have zero problem with the players getting a nice chunk of the billions that they were instrumental in generating.
I don't blame the players. I was among the minority who sided with the players and was against the owners reducing their piece of the pie during the last CBA.
When I think of the NFL getting twice the TV revenue from the networks, I can only picture the concessions the league will make in return.
The game is barely watchable at times with all the stoppages and other nonsense, and this will only worsen as the networks look to maximize their earnings off the broadcasts.
I hate to say this, but could the NFL be willing allow the networks to digitally put ads on the field? I had this crazy idea that the NFL would eventually sell sponsorships of instant replays... "This TD brought to you by Bachelor Chow" kind of thing. They have options...horrible, horrible options.
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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 21, 2021 15:57:09 GMT -5
I don't blame the players. I was among the minority who sided with the players and was against the owners reducing their piece of the pie during the last CBA.
When I think of the NFL getting twice the TV revenue from the networks, I can only picture the concessions the league will make in return.
The game is barely watchable at times with all the stoppages and other nonsense, and this will only worsen as the networks look to maximize their earnings off the broadcasts.
I hate to say this, but could the NFL be willing allow the networks to digitally put ads on the field? I had this crazy idea that the NFL would eventually sell sponsorships of instant replays... "This TD brought to you by Bachelor Chow" kind of thing. They have options...horrible, horrible options. That's exactly what I'm talking about. We all know the networks are not going to simply take this on the chin. They'll be forced to increase advertising revenue and it will come at the game's expense.
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 21, 2021 16:03:45 GMT -5
They have to. The ancillary revenue lines do not drive very much of the business model. NFL financing and their wholesale lines - both those to individual teams as well as the league LOC - are supported by the TV contracts. I don’t really care why. I’m just saying their sport kinda sucks now and the ads are why. A football game is a bit of a joke these days with the amount of stoppages. Soccer is the biggest sport on earth and has players making plenty of dough. No ads during play. Sports are just too much of a time commitment if you are going to watch live games. That’s why most people don’t now and instead play fantasy sports/gamble or watch highlights/redZone I hear you. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise, I'm just stating why it is. If Soccer ever reaches - or wishes to reach - the revenue numbers of football it will be exactly the same. They don't need to piss off their customers with ads because there's no need. From a revenue standpoint the NFL is probably 20x to MLS.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 16:05:11 GMT -5
This isn't 'Giants Talk' but yea those numbers don't make sense.
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Post by Zimonami on Feb 21, 2021 16:28:15 GMT -5
I am by no means a communist or a socialist, but let’s face it...capitalism only works well for the ones who already have wealth and can afford to maintain. It does absolutely nothing for me and the next door neighbor paying almost $3.00 a gallon for gas. That is so far from the truth. You would not have the medical technology. The Information we have at our finger tips. The access to food, transportation..... I could list thousands of examples on how capitalisms has enriched everyday life. If you look at the history of the earth. It flatlined after the fall of Roman empire. A capitalistic society. Until the rise of the United states (Capitalism). It was a hard life to endure. We have the luxuries of a good life because of Capitalism not in spite of it. I am a great proponent of Capitalism, but you make it sound like there would be few technological advancements and the world would still be in caves without the United States. There have been countless contributions to the advancement of our society from Russia, China, and other communist countries. We do not have a monopoly on brains. In fact, The Russians put the first man in space and made that leap under communism. Yes, Capitalism fosters innovation, which drives improvements and new technologies, but the rest of the world has some damned good minds and techno capabilities, too. And let's not even consider that we owe the biggest communist country in the world Trillions of dollars. How did our Capitalism help and their Communism hurt them in creating that imbalance?
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Post by TEM on Feb 21, 2021 17:04:01 GMT -5
That is so far from the truth. You would not have the medical technology. The Information we have at our finger tips. The access to food, transportation..... I could list thousands of examples on how capitalisms has enriched everyday life. If you look at the history of the earth. It flatlined after the fall of Roman empire. A capitalistic society. Until the rise of the United states (Capitalism). It was a hard life to endure. We have the luxuries of a good life because of Capitalism not in spite of it. I am a great proponent of Capitalism, but you make it sound like there would be few technological advancements and the world would still be in caves without the United States. There have been countless contributions to the advancement of our society from Russia, China, and other communist countries. We do not have a monopoly on brains. In fact, The Russians put the first man in space and made that leap under communism. Yes, Capitalism fosters innovation, which drives improvements and new technologies, but the rest of the world has some damned good minds and techno capabilities, too. And let's not even consider that we owe the biggest communist country in the world Trillions of dollars. How did our Capitalism help and their Communism hurt them in creating that imbalance? They copied a lot of what we did. China the biggest of all.
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Post by Zimonami on Feb 21, 2021 17:26:32 GMT -5
I am a great proponent of Capitalism, but you make it sound like there would be few technological advancements and the world would still be in caves without the United States. There have been countless contributions to the advancement of our society from Russia, China, and other communist countries. We do not have a monopoly on brains. In fact, The Russians put the first man in space and made that leap under communism. Yes, Capitalism fosters innovation, which drives improvements and new technologies, but the rest of the world has some damned good minds and techno capabilities, too. And let's not even consider that we owe the biggest communist country in the world Trillions of dollars. How did our Capitalism help and their Communism hurt them in creating that imbalance? They copied a lot of what we did. China the biggest of all. Granted... and, I always thought Russia advanced in Space first thanks to some nice espionage. But, tt is a big mistake to underestimate the brains and capabilities of the rest of this world. A lot of our advancements and innovations were thanks to many scientists and other smart humans who came to the USA to capitalize on their intelligence/capabilities that were stifled in their own countries. From the end of WW1 to the end of the 20th Century we were king. In this century we have become the kings of frivolities.
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Post by te88 on Feb 21, 2021 17:56:18 GMT -5
I don’t really care why. I’m just saying their sport kinda sucks now and the ads are why. A football game is a bit of a joke these days with the amount of stoppages. Soccer is the biggest sport on earth and has players making plenty of dough. No ads during play. Sports are just too much of a time commitment if you are going to watch live games. That’s why most people don’t now and instead play fantasy sports/gamble or watch highlights/redZone I hear you. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise, I'm just stating why it is. If Soccer ever reaches - or wishes to reach - the revenue numbers of football it will be exactly the same. They don't need to piss off their customers with ads because there's no need. From a revenue standpoint the NFL is probably 20x to MLS. Ha. For sure. I was talking about soccer worldwide. BPL, La Liga, Bundesliga. But still American sports leagues are the cash cow. So if the goal is to have rich owners and to whore everything out to the max then they're doing great. As far as the entertainment and actual sports product they're increasingly a trash product. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_sports_leagues_by_revenue
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Post by Blue Hulk on Feb 21, 2021 23:00:50 GMT -5
When will it end? $1000 tickets for nose bleed seats?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 7:15:46 GMT -5
And one other point on merchandise. This year I got a NYG face mask (sign of the times), 2 shirts, and a pair of lounging pants for Christmas. Plus, I bought a NYG hat for my daughter -in-law, and some shirts for her and my son. Every single one of those products was made in China... and the quality of the shirts and pants were way cheaper than my NFL/Giants gear purchased just 5 years ago... and the prices of the merchandise continue to soar. I DO resent that, and my son , his wife, and I have all agreed that we will not buy NFL merchandise for BDays and Christmas anymore. I'm just one consumer of many that will do the same. Last year was the 1st one that I or my family didn't buy any Giants merchandise and that will continue from now on..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 7:22:49 GMT -5
Why blame the players though? The owners are making money hand over fist ... if the players salaries are less, that means that the owners pocket more. The players put their health and futures on the line and the owners are making billions off of their backs. I have zero problem with the players getting a nice chunk of the billions that they were instrumental in generating.
I don't blame the players. I was among the minority who sided with the players and was against the owners reducing their piece of the pie during the last CBA.
When I think of the NFL getting twice the TV revenue from the networks, I can only picture the concessions the league will make in return.
The game is barely watchable at times with all the stoppages and other nonsense, and this will only worsen as the networks look to maximize their earnings off the broadcasts.
The networks have already started advertising on a split screen during non playing time so expect that to increase a lot more during these non playing sections of the game..
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Post by GameTime on Feb 22, 2021 8:01:36 GMT -5
I don't blame the players. I was among the minority who sided with the players and was against the owners reducing their piece of the pie during the last CBA.
When I think of the NFL getting twice the TV revenue from the networks, I can only picture the concessions the league will make in return.
The game is barely watchable at times with all the stoppages and other nonsense, and this will only worsen as the networks look to maximize their earnings off the broadcasts.
The networks have already started advertising on a split screen during non playing time so expect that to increase a lot more during these non playing sections of the game.. the sport and sports in general has been changing for decades. When were consessions ever "cheap" at a game? Maybe 40 or 45 years a go. I remember back in the late 80s going to games and complaining about the crazy prices of two dogs and a two beers. It was the same at concerts. Beers in 1984 at the Miller Time concerts on the Pier were 6 bucks each!! Some of you act like this is a new thing. Its evolved over decades and will only increase. Cable TV started out with no commercials because the "viewer paid" the fees of the local station. Well how the **** did that work out??!! Advertising is like property.....they will sell every last square ****ing inch no matter what the cost to the people or the environment because the majority will still watch and buy. Its a very simple and devious business plan.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 8:18:37 GMT -5
The networks have already started advertising on a split screen during non playing time so expect that to increase a lot more during these non playing sections of the game.. the sport and sports in general has been changing for decades. When were consessions ever "cheap" at a game? Maybe 40 or 45 years a go. I remember back in the late 80s going to games and complaining about the crazy prices of two dogs and a two beers. It was the same at concerts. Beers in 1984 at the Miller Time concerts on the Pier were 6 bucks each!! Some of you act like this is a new thing. Its evolved over decades and will only increase. Cable TV started out with no commercials because the "viewer paid" the fees of the local station. Well how the **** did that work out??!! Advertising is like property.....they will sell every last square ****ing inch no matter what the cost to the people or the environment because the majority will still watch and buy. Its a very simple and devious business plan. I was just pointing something that I would expect to increase. I don't understand how that was acting like this is something new.. Hell.. I was getting paid to wear a manufacturers shirt and throw a certain ball back in the 90s when I made a show.. That usually paid better than the prize awarded for the event!!
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Post by GameTime on Feb 22, 2021 8:19:53 GMT -5
the sport and sports in general has been changing for decades. When were consessions ever "cheap" at a game? Maybe 40 or 45 years a go. I remember back in the late 80s going to games and complaining about the crazy prices of two dogs and a two beers. It was the same at concerts. Beers in 1984 at the Miller Time concerts on the Pier were 6 bucks each!! Some of you act like this is a new thing. Its evolved over decades and will only increase. Cable TV started out with no commercials because the "viewer paid" the fees of the local station. Well how the **** did that work out??!! Advertising is like property.....they will sell every last square ****ing inch no matter what the cost to the people or the environment because the majority will still watch and buy. Its a very simple and devious business plan. I was just pointing something that I would expect to increase. I don't understand how that was acting like this is something new.. Hell.. I was getting paid to wear a manufacturers shirt and throw a certain ball back in the 90s when I made a show.. That usually paid better than the prize awarded for the event!! LT....I was actually making a general statement..... I didnt even realized I quoted you. Apologies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 8:22:33 GMT -5
I was just pointing something that I would expect to increase. I don't understand how that was acting like this is something new.. Hell.. I was getting paid to wear a manufacturers shirt and throw a certain ball back in the 90s when I made a show.. That usually paid better than the prize awarded for the event!! LT....I was actually making a general statement..... I didnt even realized I quoted you. Apologies. It's all good and it allowed me a chance to brag a little!!
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 22, 2021 8:46:36 GMT -5
This has disaster written all over it if you ask me. This is gonna get messy on all sides the players union wants the cap to be close or at 198 they say the players had to take risk to play be away from family in some cases for the full season. They don't want their guys to miss out on real free agency, they have a point the players are the entertainment. The NFL supposedly is looking to make up some ground with TV contracts and maybe borrow from next years cap being this years was supposed to balloon because of big TV deals. I don't understand cap and contracts this is just something I read a few weeks back. The players unions wants their guys to have a normal free agency not starving teams lowballing guys that make the whole thing go.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 22, 2021 8:51:12 GMT -5
It's not simply a matter of "...you make a lot of money and I don’t” mentality. If you don't understand the impact of what is happening, world wide.... there are many millions who have been laid off. So, people are sitting at home with nothing to do. So, they watch TV. Yes, streaming services are making big bucks these days, Advertisers want those people sitting at home to buy their products. But, the average American has less expendable income. He can't afford to go out to dinner, nor take that 1 week vacation with the family to another state, or the Jersey shore, or skiing upstate NY, VT, Colorado. He can't afford to buy that nicer cut of steak for his BBQ. He would normally bring the family out to dinner for hos wife's BD, or the kid's graduation, but he can't afford it, even if he can find a restaurant that isn't out of business. He is going to make his old car last another couple of years. His hopes of paying off his mortgage off early is down the drain... in fact, millions are refinancing their homes to get some extra cash on hand. His kid who just graduated from college can't get a job, so, he won't be out on his own, and he won't be able to help pay off his college loans. The old man will buy a regular sweatshirt for $10, rather than the one with the Giant's logo on it for $30. I was working on a nice contract with Tyson this past 1.5 years that would have netted me about $30K. I sell equipment that will lift the bags they use with ingredients for their chicken. Employees get back injuries lifting those bags, so my equipment eliminates back injuries and worker's comp costs, and employees missing work for it. But, they can't afford to buy $150,000 of new equipment now, "because of Covid.". They are advertising less. My company would be out of business if it weren't for the Payroll Protection Program. The government has dedicated trillions to that program to help employers keep their employees employed, and to pay their rent. That is trillions of dollars that the government doesn't really have. Just keep printing more money with no basis to support it? But, screw it, let's print some more. We already owe the Chinese trillions of dollars. The value of the dollar decreases world wide. So, maybe we aren't out of a job and hurting, but many millions are. And, what do those people see going on in our country? They see the hottest superstar athlete get a new contract for 200 million dollars while they're telling the wife and kids that Christmas won't be so great this year. We won't have a vacation away from home. We can't buy a new car. We can't go out to dinner, and our favorite restaurant is out of business anyways and has laid off 20 people, so WTF. Are you going to tell me that the average American isn't going to resent the superstar contracts? Of my 6 employees, 3 of the 5 who watched football, basketball, and baseball have totally stopped watching. The other two, me being one, watches far less than I ever have before. I watch no NBA games anymore, and where I would have watched a Steeler/Ravens game, a Skins/Dallas game when my Giants aren't on TV, I don't anymore. I don't care anymore, and I am not alone. There are millions who suddenly feel the same, even if you haven't. The NFL donated 250 million to BLM, and now they are asking for a 100% increase in contracts with broadcasters. You don't think those people out of work resent that Patrick Mahomes has a nice 400+ million contract? .... that they don't resent the NFL and the owners giving their stars these contracts while they are out of work? People are hurting all over, and the NFL would be wise to show some conservative fiscal restraint in line with the reality of the times, How many Budweiser commercials do you see on a Superbowl game? People were looking for Budweiser's entry for a 2020 Super Bowl commercial, but they can only find one. ... Anheuser-Busch announced that it isn't advertising its iconic Budweiser brand during the Super Bowl for the first time since 1983. They did end up paying for one, but last year's SB they had 8. Meanwhile, if the trend continues that I fear will... reduced revenue across the board,,, the Chiefs will be struggling to pay that Mahomes contract in a few years. Those that aren't stars will be asked to take less, and the average American fan will continue to find something else to do on Sundays rather than sit in front of their TV and watch rich superstars play a football game that they can't afford to attend because their job making widgets is gone. The greed of the NFL and it's owners is going to come back and bite them in the ass. That's my point I understand that people are hurting but just do t see how that should mean that the NFL should accept less on its TV deal or that any player should accept less than a full value salary. If the market won’t bear the costs and salaries, then they will go down. Let’s just agree to disagree. The players are gonna have some say in this I know they make a lot but they sacrificed months away from kids wives family, and the chance of contracting the virus and having longterm health issues that can take a career. One way or another the NFL and TV need to figure this out and quick.
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Post by jb456 on Feb 22, 2021 10:03:43 GMT -5
May I add the average fan all so resents being the one to foot the bill . They will be other alternatives. How are you footing the bill? When was the last time you paid for a ticket and went to a game? We all foot the bill through our cable / satellite / internet access. Your cable / satellite providers have to pay all the networks (including ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC) for the ability to put those channels on their platform. You don't think the these networks will pass the cost along to the cost along to the cable and Sat providers, who will in turn pass the cost along to the consumer? FYI - The average NFL team only makes about $112M in revenue from Ticket sales per year. The vast majority of the NFL's revenue comes from TV rights, etc.
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Post by TCHOF on Feb 22, 2021 10:32:54 GMT -5
How are you footing the bill? When was the last time you paid for a ticket and went to a game? We all foot the bill through our cable / satellite / internet access. Your cable / satellite providers have to pay all the networks (including ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC) for the ability to put those channels on their platform. You don't think the these networks will pass the cost along to the cost along to the cable and Sat providers, who will in turn pass the cost along to the consumer? FYI - The average NFL team only makes about $112M in revenue from Ticket sales per year. The vast majority of the NFL's revenue comes from TV rights, etc. The NFL is not the only program on my cable network. My contribution as a TV watcher is infinitesimal. If it ever got to the point that it was a concern, I would stop watching. And guess what? If enough people did that, it would change the market. Were you outraged when the cast of Friends was making $1M an episode each?
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Post by Roosevelt on Feb 22, 2021 10:46:35 GMT -5
I don't blame the players. I was among the minority who sided with the players and was against the owners reducing their piece of the pie during the last CBA.
When I think of the NFL getting twice the TV revenue from the networks, I can only picture the concessions the league will make in return.
The game is barely watchable at times with all the stoppages and other nonsense, and this will only worsen as the networks look to maximize their earnings off the broadcasts.
The networks have already started advertising on a split screen during non playing time so expect that to increase a lot more during these non playing sections of the game..
Exactly.
The Giants did something similar with their video boards at MetLife. At first we got to see the full screen during live action which is pretty crucial when your sitting end zone. But years later they added sponsor's logos to about a third of the screen during live action. Not always, but enough to let us know where things were headed.
That's when I decided it was time to sell my season tickets. I wrote them. They had no response.
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Post by jb456 on Feb 22, 2021 11:07:19 GMT -5
We all foot the bill through our cable / satellite / internet access. Your cable / satellite providers have to pay all the networks (including ABC, CBS, FOX, NBC) for the ability to put those channels on their platform. You don't think the these networks will pass the cost along to the cost along to the cable and Sat providers, who will in turn pass the cost along to the consumer? FYI - The average NFL team only makes about $112M in revenue from Ticket sales per year. The vast majority of the NFL's revenue comes from TV rights, etc. The NFL is not the only program on my cable network. My contribution as a TV watcher is infinitesimal. If it ever got to the point that it was a concern, I would stop watching. And guess what? If enough people did that, it would change the market. Were you outraged when the cast of Friends was making $1M an episode each? I was just making a statement regarding how the NFL makes the vast majority of it's money. I'm not against either the NFL or the players making more money. I'm all for a free market economy. Also, for those who aren't aware (Not sure if you fall into this category), there is a revenue sharing agreement that the players make 48 percent of revenue and the owners make 52 percent. Both the players and the owners will benefit from increased TV revenues. It doesn't make sense for anyone to specifically target the owners or the players, since they share the increased and decreased revenues.... I'm not going to claim I'm an expert in the business of the NFL but the vast majority of fans don't even know the basics of how NFL owners and players make their money and get bent out of shape when they hear players are making X and owners make Y.
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Post by krappdetector on Feb 23, 2021 13:31:19 GMT -5
Would YOU take a salary cut if it wasn't necessary because others are out of work I have. If it was by choice then you are indeed a rare bird!
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