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Post by Morehead State on Mar 29, 2021 21:25:57 GMT -5
There is no replacement for Leonard Williams out there. Elite Blue-Chipper. All it took to replace Tomlinson was a 1-year flier on a 27-year-old journeyman on now his 4th NFL team. A better pass-rushing NT than Tomlinson for a fraction of the cost. Win-Win. To all the Tomlinson Truthers on here (I'm referring to you, TheAnalyst) ...do you see how easily replaceable Tomlinson's skill-set is? A dime a dozen - literally. Shelton is a Snacks type nose big not much pass rush will eat up blocks DT was a well rounded player he can play across the 3 man front and generate pressure from the nose, Shelton will help lessen the impact on the run defense. He isn't near the player Dalvin Tomlinson is, the Giants have options Lawrence Williams and Johnson even BJ Hill in a pinch could help at the nose. I think we can get away with just a body with Lawrence and Williams on either side.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 29, 2021 21:26:47 GMT -5
The fact that he's been discarded by three teams backs up your claim.
That aside......You are free to believe what you say about him, but the fact that we signed him doesn't prove, or even show evidence that Dalvin Tomlinson is easily replaceable. All it means is that we have a hole in our roster and we needed to bring someone in.
Well, Tomlinson was already discarded by his 1st team, and in 2 years, he will be discarded by his 2nd team (Vikings won't be re-signing him). So Tomlinson is on the Danny Shelton trajectory, I guess. Players with that replaceable skill-set tend to be "discarded" in the NFL. Danny Shelton > Dalvin Tomlinson. Say what common Dalvin Tomlinson does a lot for a defense he can do it all the only reason he was expendable is because they have 2 other guys who can do it all the Vikings are lucky to have him.
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Post by Morehead State on Mar 29, 2021 21:28:31 GMT -5
Well, Tomlinson was already discarded by his 1st team, and in 2 years, he will be discarded by his 2nd team (Vikings won't be re-signing him). So Tomlinson is on the Danny Shelton trajectory, I guess. Players with that replaceable skill-set tend to be "discarded" in the NFL. Danny Shelton > Dalvin Tomlinson. Say what common Dalvin Tomlinson does a lot for a defense he can do it all the only reason he was expendable is because they have 2 other guys who can do it all the Vikings are lucky to have him. I really think Tomlinson was a really good player for us. But with this secondary, which may be the best in the NFL, they can survive his loss.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 29, 2021 21:32:19 GMT -5
Shelton is a Snacks type nose big not much pass rush will eat up blocks DT was a well rounded player he can play across the 3 man front and generate pressure from the nose, Shelton will help lessen the impact on the run defense. He isn't near the player Dalvin Tomlinson is, the Giants have options Lawrence Williams and Johnson even BJ Hill in a pinch could help at the nose. I think we can get away with just a body with Lawrence and Williams on either side. Just a space eater really and that is what he is, Lawrence and Williams really talented versatile players. A lot of times they were the only 2 DLs on the field because of Grahams scheme sometimes it was just Williams. Thats why Dalvin as fine a player as he is was not re-upted the coaches had a tough choice and they chose Williams.
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Post by McCherry on Mar 29, 2021 21:34:31 GMT -5
Board etiquette aside, he’s not completely wrong about the premise.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Mar 29, 2021 21:36:08 GMT -5
Shelton is a Snacks type nose big not much pass rush will eat up blocks DT was a well rounded player he can play across the 3 man front and generate pressure from the nose, Shelton will help lessen the impact on the run defense. He isn't near the player Dalvin Tomlinson is, the Giants have options Lawrence Williams and Johnson even BJ Hill in a pinch could help at the nose. I think we can get away with just a body with Lawrence and Williams on either side. I think they have 3 solid if not spectacular choices in Shelton Johnson and Hill they all are a little different. BJ Hill and Johnson were very active last year when they got their chances.
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Post by TEM on Mar 30, 2021 5:48:33 GMT -5
He is coming off a tore tricept . Lets hope he comes beck to forum has the strength to get that push.
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Post by TEM on Mar 30, 2021 5:50:00 GMT -5
Shelton is a Snacks type nose big not much pass rush will eat up blocks DT was a well rounded player he can play across the 3 man front and generate pressure from the nose, Shelton will help lessen the impact on the run defense. He isn't near the player Dalvin Tomlinson is, the Giants have options Lawrence Williams and Johnson even BJ Hill in a pinch could help at the nose. I think we can get away with just a body with Lawrence and Williams on either side. This is just my opinion but I think Lawrence is moving to NT.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 30, 2021 6:33:38 GMT -5
I think we can get away with just a body with Lawrence and Williams on either side. This is just my opinion but I think Lawrence is moving to NT. I think maybe he lines up there in certain packages or when they go 4-3 but in base 3-4 I see Johnson or Shelton there more often then not. They have a lot of flexibility on the DL for sure.
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Post by te88 on Mar 30, 2021 6:40:48 GMT -5
Can’t see him being much of a contributor but they needed a cheap body for running downs. He is something.
It is pretty funny to me that there are people who think DT was just a run stuffer.
I suppose Linval Joseph was just a run stuffer too?
Hankins came nowhere remotely close to replacing or ever matching Joseph’s level of impact.
DT was a Joseph caliber player and Shelton isn’t even a Hankins caliber player. There will be a large drop off. It’s understandable (they drafted Lawrence) but this notion that DT is just a guy is just hilarious to me
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 30, 2021 6:40:51 GMT -5
There is no replacement for Leonard Williams out there. Elite Blue-Chipper. All it took to replace Tomlinson was a 1-year flier on a 27-year-old journeyman on now his 4th NFL team. A better pass-rushing NT than Tomlinson for a fraction of the cost. Win-Win. To all the Tomlinson Truthers on here (I'm referring to you, TheAnalyst) ...do you see how easily replaceable Tomlinson's skill-set is? A dime a dozen - literally. We have a self proclaimed genius among us!!!! Ty for sharing that yesterday, that was sweet. Tomlinson is the better player bro. The skill set you post of isn’t even the same. Shelton is a load and he is not a better pas-rushing NT. Tomlinson is the more complete player and if pass rushing is your barometer that’s off too. Tomlinson has more sacks and qb hits in fewer games. Over the past two seasons Tomlinson leads in sacks 7-4 and QB hits 20-10 when compared to Shelton.
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Post by GameTime on Mar 30, 2021 6:48:06 GMT -5
Can’t see him being much of a contributor but they needed a cheap body for running downs. He is something. It is pretty funny to me that there are people who think DT was just a run stuffer. I suppose Linval Joseph was just a run stuffer too? Hankins came nowhere remotely close to replacing or ever matching Joseph’s level of impact. DT was a Joseph caliber player and Shelton isn’t even a Hankins caliber player. There will be a large drop off. It’s understandable (they drafted Lawrence) but this notion that DT is just a guy is just hilarious to me he seems like the kind of player that Graham and his staff will utilize efficiently. I can easily see this kid having a good/solid year for the NYGs at NT. One detriment is that he most likely wont be a 3 down player. But you never know. I guess it would depend who else is on the field with him in a given scenario
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Post by Fletch842 on Mar 30, 2021 6:53:35 GMT -5
a lot of people on this board will disagree with me on this but I think Gettleman is doing a great job this offseason. I just don't know where he is getting all the money he us spending... Obviously, you didn't get the memo. They tied DG up and threw him in a closet. This has been all Joe Judge!! Get with the program...
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Post by te88 on Mar 30, 2021 7:11:15 GMT -5
Can’t see him being much of a contributor but they needed a cheap body for running downs. He is something. It is pretty funny to me that there are people who think DT was just a run stuffer. I suppose Linval Joseph was just a run stuffer too? Hankins came nowhere remotely close to replacing or ever matching Joseph’s level of impact. DT was a Joseph caliber player and Shelton isn’t even a Hankins caliber player. There will be a large drop off. It’s understandable (they drafted Lawrence) but this notion that DT is just a guy is just hilarious to me he seems like the kind of player that Graham and his staff will utilize efficiently. I can easily see this kid having a good/solid year for the NYGs at NT. One detriment is that he most likely wont be a 3 down player. But you never know. I guess it would depend who else is on the field with him in a given scenario I agree. He is what they needed. They have two guys that are very versatile at the other DL positions (Williams and Lawrence) which will allow them to use Shelton for what he does best. Really I should not have said he won’t be much of a contributor...he will be for the thing he was brought in to do. He is just a limited player. Mostly I was just responding to the notion of Tomlinson being a limited player. Which is laughable to me. I expect his career to take off in Minny big time since he will be more of a feature there.
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Post by Roswell on Mar 30, 2021 8:19:50 GMT -5
The biggest mistake the Giants have made this offseason was not signing Tomlinson.
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Post by Kruunch on Mar 30, 2021 8:20:06 GMT -5
Board etiquette aside, he’s not completely wrong about the premise. You’re right.. He’s absolutely wrong about this.. Only thing he got right was the amount of teams Shelton has played for.
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Post by te88 on Mar 30, 2021 8:27:53 GMT -5
The biggest mistake the Giants have made this offseason was not signing Tomlinson. I think they’ll end up O-K. Rationally letting him go is viable...on paper. But I think it will come to haunt them. I think it will be one of those things they look back and say...”we should have found a way to make it work”
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Post by bluejayc on Mar 30, 2021 8:50:57 GMT -5
I....don't....know....where....to....begin.....
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Post by Roswell on Mar 30, 2021 9:03:15 GMT -5
The biggest mistake the Giants have made this offseason was not signing Tomlinson. I think they’ll end up O-K. Rationally letting him go is viable...on paper. But I think it will come to haunt them. I think it will be one of those things they look back and say...”we should have found a way to make it work” I hope you’re right. With the signing of Jackson, if they could’ve figured out how to keep Tomlinson, and drafted a playmaking LB, this D could’ve been top 5. And would’ve been real tough to score on in the winter. Oh well, can’t have everything in the CoVid cap era.
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Post by spaceweather on Mar 30, 2021 9:08:56 GMT -5
Signing him doesn't mean he's as good as Tomlinson. All it means is that we need bodies on the D line. No one in their right mind would think that Shelton is the player that Tomlinson is.
Did the signing of Golden Tate prove how "replaceable" Odell was?
Did the signing of Devonta Freemen prove that Saquan was "replaceable?"
Shelton is a more complete D-Tackle than Tomlinson, so yes, Shelton is the better player. Lol
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Post by nygiantfanalways on Mar 30, 2021 10:13:17 GMT -5
Signing him doesn't mean he's as good as Tomlinson. All it means is that we need bodies on the D line. No one in their right mind would think that Shelton is the player that Tomlinson is.
Did the signing of Golden Tate prove how "replaceable" Odell was?
Did the signing of Devonta Freemen prove that Saquan was "replaceable?"
Shelton is a more complete D-Tackle than Tomlinson, so yes, Shelton is the better player. You are right though. D-Tackle most of the time is easy to replace. Just look at how many times Jerry Reese took a D-Tackle in the 2nd round after losing the previous starter to free agency. They always were plug and play.
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Post by Delicreep on Mar 30, 2021 10:20:44 GMT -5
...lot of questionable math going on in this thread.
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Post by rbe40 on Mar 30, 2021 10:23:57 GMT -5
I think they’ll end up O-K. Rationally letting him go is viable...on paper. But I think it will come to haunt them. I think it will be one of those things they look back and say...”we should have found a way to make it work” I hope you’re right. With the signing of Jackson, if they could’ve figured out how to keep Tomlinson, and drafted a playmaking LB, this D could’ve been top 5. And would’ve been real tough to score on in the winter. Oh well, can’t have everything in the CoVid cap era. This D, as currently constructed, will be a Top 5 D in 2021.
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Post by rbe40 on Mar 30, 2021 10:25:08 GMT -5
The most obvious correct move the Giants have made this offseason was not signing Tomlinson. Fixed for you.
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Post by lexington11 on Mar 30, 2021 10:25:53 GMT -5
Shelton is a more complete D-Tackle than Tomlinson, so yes, Shelton is the better player. The fact that he's been discarded by three teams backs up your claim.
That aside......You are free to believe what you say about him, but the fact that we signed him doesn't prove, or even show evidence that Dalvin Tomlinson is easily replaceable. All it means is that we have a hole in our roster and we needed to bring someone in.
the giants have a history or letting DT’s walk with little to no effect on the team. It is an easy position to replace and they have a penchant for drafting good ones as well. Shelton is a true NT.
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Post by rbe40 on Mar 30, 2021 10:28:30 GMT -5
I....don't....know....where....to....begin..... All you had to say was: "I agree with the OP"
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Post by TEM on Mar 30, 2021 10:33:31 GMT -5
Jay Bromley was a fantastic plug and play DT.
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Post by Rangers13 on Mar 30, 2021 10:35:39 GMT -5
This thread is further proof of just how clueless 80% of Giants fans are. Not a single clue. I despise this fanbase. Not all, but most for sure. SMH You have clueless people actually disagreeing with the premise of the OP, which is clearly 1000000% true. thank goodness we have you.
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Post by giantlegacy on Mar 30, 2021 10:36:23 GMT -5
Jay Bromley was a fantastic plug and play DT. So was Kuhn
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Post by rbe40 on Mar 30, 2021 10:42:37 GMT -5
He's an upgrade over Tomlinson. Better Pass-Rusher - simply put. This makes no sense. How is Shelton a better pass rusher when Tomlinson has had more sacks and quarterback hits in two years at the nose than Shelton had in his whole career? Also, if we’re going by PFF. This was Sheltons worst graded season since he’s been in the NFL. It’s a good signing, but he’s no where near the player Tomlinson is. Because Shelton is more consistent than Tomlinson at pushing the pocket. A D-Tackle can push the pocket well on a certain play, but not get credited with either a Sack or Hit. Shelton is a consistent pocket-pushing NT. Not all pocket pushes result in Sacks or Hits. But, not allowing the QB to step up in the pocket, is a valuable thing.
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