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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 10, 2021 0:00:12 GMT -5
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 10, 2021 0:00:26 GMT -5
Read the comments
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 10, 2021 6:13:28 GMT -5
All the article does is survey the various published mocks to see who is most often picked for the Giants...and it’s not Paye. I listen to Ed’s podcasts and he is certainly not “full bloom over Paye”. He actually prefers Ojulari from the Edge class. I scrolled down quite a bit in the comments section and no one was saying Edge or bust or was in “full bloom over Paye”. Seemed like they were having the same type of reasonable discussions that we have here. Not sure what your strange obsession with Big Blue View is all about ... they actually say none of the stuff you constantly accuse them of saying.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 10, 2021 7:36:54 GMT -5
what about Paye makes you latch onto him like a dog with a bone. ??
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Post by TEM on Apr 10, 2021 7:41:11 GMT -5
It does not matter what anyone thinks, who they mock, what they say, The Giants are going to take The best player on their board regardless of 3 months of debate . It is easy to mock pick 1 in the draft. After that it is a coin toss.
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Post by Fletch842 on Apr 10, 2021 7:59:23 GMT -5
It does not matter what anyone thinks, who they mock, what they say, The Giants are going to take The best player on their board regardless of 3 months of debate . It is easy to mock pick 1 in the draft. After that it is a coin toss. hell, even pick 1 is a coin toss, lol!!
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Post by TEM on Apr 10, 2021 8:00:43 GMT -5
It does not matter what anyone thinks, who they mock, what they say, The Giants are going to take The best player on their board regardless of 3 months of debate . It is easy to mock pick 1 in the draft. After that it is a coin toss. hell, even pick 1 is a coin toss, lol!! I think this year that pick was made in December .
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Post by TEM on Apr 10, 2021 8:07:37 GMT -5
But I will say this using mock statistics from talking heads as a reference to who the Giants will pick is about a dumb as it gets. Why would anyone even want to give that credibility by publishing it? What real statistics are , would be taking those so call "experts" draft knowledge. (Their past mocks) and give the percentage of their success rates ( actual data). Ed would never do that because his success average would be just as low as the rest of them and prove he is just a fan with a blog.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 10, 2021 11:37:04 GMT -5
what about Paye makes you latch onto him like a dog with a bone. ?? Cedric Jones 2.0
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 10, 2021 11:49:47 GMT -5
All the article does is survey the various published mocks to see who is most often picked for the Giants...and it’s not Paye. I listen to Ed’s podcasts and he is certainly not “full bloom over Paye”. He actually prefers Ojulari from the Edge class. I scrolled down quite a bit in the comments section and no one was saying Edge or bust or was in “full bloom over Paye”. Seemed like they were having the same type of reasonable discussions that we have here. Not sure what your strange obsession with Big Blue View is all about ... they actually say none of the stuff you constantly accuse them of saying. Then you aren't looking hard Also on here These people are clueless www.bigblueview.com/2021/4/10/22376960/giants-rumors-news-4-10-jersey-numbers-draft-chatter-ronnie-barnes-more
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Post by GameTime on Apr 10, 2021 13:26:41 GMT -5
what about Paye makes you latch onto him like a dog with a bone. ?? Cedric Jones 2.0 or not
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 10, 2021 13:33:23 GMT -5
Issue 1 Athletic ability and no production...ask any of the Michigan fans here..they generally like their own and they will agree Issue 2. Tweener Is he a 4/ 3 end..interior guy...edge... Just like Simmons you don't use a pick this high to experiment all year,granted we will have e a semi normal year unlike last Especially when probably a much better player with higher impact early will he available at another position (o line..even WR...)
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 10, 2021 13:35:56 GMT -5
All the article does is survey the various published mocks to see who is most often picked for the Giants...and it’s not Paye. I listen to Ed’s podcasts and he is certainly not “full bloom over Paye”. He actually prefers Ojulari from the Edge class. I scrolled down quite a bit in the comments section and no one was saying Edge or bust or was in “full bloom over Paye”. Seemed like they were having the same type of reasonable discussions that we have here. Not sure what your strange obsession with Big Blue View is all about ... they actually say none of the stuff you constantly accuse them of saying. Then you aren't looking hard Also on here These people are clueless www.bigblueview.com/2021/4/10/22376960/giants-rumors-news-4-10-jersey-numbers-draft-chatter-ronnie-barnes-moreAgain, don’t know what you are seeing, but have at it
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 10, 2021 13:38:21 GMT -5
Issue 1 Athletic ability and no production...ask any of the Michigan fans here..they generally like their own and they will agree Issue 2. Tweener Is he a 4/ 3 end..interior guy...edge... Just like Simmons you don't use a pick this high to experiment all year,granted we will have e a semi normal year unlike last Especially when probably a much better player with higher impact early will he available at another position (o line..even WR...) I don’t hate Paye, but I would hate him at 11. If we traded back and took him in the late teens, I could live with it
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Post by GameTime on Apr 10, 2021 13:42:23 GMT -5
Issue 1 Athletic ability and no production...ask any of the Michigan fans here..they generally like their own and they will agree Issue 2. Tweener Is he a 4/ 3 end..interior guy...edge... Just like Simmons you don't use a pick this high to experiment all year,granted we will have e a semi normal year unlike last Especially when probably a much better player with higher impact early will he available at another position (o line..even WR...) not saying to pick him at 11. I have just seen several posts were you are relentless with trashing the guy
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Post by snyder55 on Apr 10, 2021 15:06:05 GMT -5
It does not matter what anyone thinks, who they mock, what they say, The Giants are going to take The best player on their board regardless of 3 months of debate . It is easy to mock pick 1 in the draft. After that it is a coin toss. does best player on their board also inlcude "at a position of need?
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Post by bluebuddha on Apr 10, 2021 15:41:20 GMT -5
Issue 1 Athletic ability and no production...ask any of the Michigan fans here..they generally like their own and they will agree Issue 2. Tweener Is he a 4/ 3 end..interior guy...edge... Just like Simmons you don't use a pick this high to experiment all year,granted we will have e a semi normal year unlike last Especially when probably a much better player with higher impact early will he available at another position (o line..even WR...) I think you aren't getting Graham defense. In this defense there is exactly a role that fits Paye. The role they tried to fill with Fackrell and now Coughlin Carter. This suits Paye's skill set very well. A guy that can bring pressure from inside or off the edge but also plays the run extremely well. He can burst and bend very well for his weight. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Graham and Judge are looking hard at Paye at 11.
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Post by TEM on Apr 10, 2021 15:54:27 GMT -5
It does not matter what anyone thinks, who they mock, what they say, The Giants are going to take The best player on their board regardless of 3 months of debate . It is easy to mock pick 1 in the draft. After that it is a coin toss. does best player on their board also inlcude "at a position of need? I wish I could answer that, I am no different from anyone else in regards to having access to the Giants' draft board. The only thing I could assume. Outside of a QB . That is a different situation. You don't draft for need. You take the best player on the board. It is great when BPA and position merge at the time of the pick. Some of the time that doesn't happen . JPP is an example. Even though we had Tuck and Osi. We took a DE with a high draft pick. JPP help us put one in the case. It was a good pick.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 10, 2021 16:07:30 GMT -5
does best player on their board also inlcude "at a position of need? I wish I could answer that, I am no different from anyone else in regards to having access to the Giants' draft board. The only thing I could assume. Outside of a QB . That is a different situation. You don't draft for need. You take the best player on the board. It is great when BPA and position merge at the time of the pick. Some of the time that doesn't happen . JPP is an example. Even though we had Tuck and Osi. We took a DE with a high draft pick. JPP help us put one in the case. It was a good pick. At 11 the BPA will be an OL or a receiver. Both positions of need so it will work out.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 10, 2021 16:50:06 GMT -5
It does not matter what anyone thinks, who they mock, what they say, The Giants are going to take The best player on their board regardless of 3 months of debate . It is easy to mock pick 1 in the draft. After that it is a coin toss. does best player on their board also inlcude "at a position of need? Isn't it funny how that always works out. I've been on a crusade over this for years. Please even I cannot stand to go on another marathon argument and definition over this. I know it's not that important but this just irritates me with these talking heads on TV. BPA just magically matches teams needs.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 10, 2021 16:56:02 GMT -5
I wish I could answer that, I am no different from anyone else in regards to having access to the Giants' draft board. The only thing I could assume. Outside of a QB . That is a different situation. You don't draft for need. You take the best player on the board. It is great when BPA and position merge at the time of the pick. Some of the time that doesn't happen . JPP is an example. Even though we had Tuck and Osi. We took a DE with a high draft pick. JPP help us put one in the case. It was a good pick. At 11 the BPA will be an OL or a receiver. Both positions of need so it will work out. I’m starting to think there is very little chance that Slater makes it to 11. I see 4 potential landing spots for Sewell and Slater in the top 10: 5. Bengals (have to protect Burrow, but could they go Pitts if he is there?) 7. Lions (they need a WR, but I could see Campbell wanting to start his rebuild by fortifying the trenches) 8. Panthers (after the Darnold trade, I see this as a likely OL landing spot unless they trade back) 10. Cowboys (Surtain makes more sense, but their OL is aging) A lot has to go our way for Slater to make it to us IMO
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Post by te88 on Apr 10, 2021 17:02:46 GMT -5
At 11 the BPA will be an OL or a receiver. Both positions of need so it will work out. I’m starting to think there is very little chance that Slater makes it to 11. I see 4 potential landing spots for Sewell and Slater in the top 10: 5. Bengals (have to protect Burrow, but could they go Pitts if he is there?) 7. Lions (they need a WR, but I could see Campbell wanting to start his rebuild by fortifying the trenches) 8. Panthers (after the Darnold trade, I see this as a likely OL landing spot unless they trade back) 10. Cowboys (Surtain makes more sense, but their OL is aging) A lot has to go our way for Slater to make it to us IMO I don’t think Bengals can resist pairing Chase with Burrow.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 10, 2021 19:13:32 GMT -5
At 11 the BPA will be an OL or a receiver. Both positions of need so it will work out. I’m starting to think there is very little chance that Slater makes it to 11. I see 4 potential landing spots for Sewell and Slater in the top 10: 5. Bengals (have to protect Burrow, but could they go Pitts if he is there?) 7. Lions (they need a WR, but I could see Campbell wanting to start his rebuild by fortifying the trenches) 8. Panthers (after the Darnold trade, I see this as a likely OL landing spot unless they trade back) 10. Cowboys (Surtain makes more sense, but their OL is aging) A lot has to go our way for Slater to make it to us IMO lots of ways a few of teams can go who arent taking QBs. Kind of like us, the Bengals, can go receiver or OL. Will be kind of exciting.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 10, 2021 19:37:46 GMT -5
I’m starting to think there is very little chance that Slater makes it to 11. I see 4 potential landing spots for Sewell and Slater in the top 10: 5. Bengals (have to protect Burrow, but could they go Pitts if he is there?) 7. Lions (they need a WR, but I could see Campbell wanting to start his rebuild by fortifying the trenches) 8. Panthers (after the Darnold trade, I see this as a likely OL landing spot unless they trade back) 10. Cowboys (Surtain makes more sense, but their OL is aging) A lot has to go our way for Slater to make it to us IMO lots of ways a few of teams can go who arent taking QBs. Kind of like us, the Bengals, can go receiver or OL. Will be kind of exciting. saw on some site rumors Dallas wants to move up for Pitts Even better for the NFC east Throw extra draft capital they can't afford to lose with a soon to be cap strapped team and not fix their defense or O line...both would be there at 10....
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Post by TEM on Apr 10, 2021 20:02:50 GMT -5
does best player on their board also inlcude "at a position of need? Isn't it funny how that always works out. I've been on a crusade over this for years. Please even I cannot stand to go on another marathon argument and definition over this. I know it's not that important but this just irritates me with these talking heads on TV. BPA just magically matches teams needs. This year we have a need for ILB TE RT RG WR and Edge. All are in that window. It is the same every year with need. Me I think our biggest need , impact player on day 1 is a RT. So does it magically match? Historically it works out that way most years .A few years it doesn't JPP, is a prime example of picking BPA and not for need. It is never based on need. If the the best player of the position of greatest need is ranked lower then when you pick. You take the best player that is available or you trade down. You never do a self imposed lowering in the draft because need dictates it.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 10, 2021 21:07:03 GMT -5
I’m starting to think there is very little chance that Slater makes it to 11. I see 4 potential landing spots for Sewell and Slater in the top 10: 5. Bengals (have to protect Burrow, but could they go Pitts if he is there?) 7. Lions (they need a WR, but I could see Campbell wanting to start his rebuild by fortifying the trenches) 8. Panthers (after the Darnold trade, I see this as a likely OL landing spot unless they trade back) 10. Cowboys (Surtain makes more sense, but their OL is aging) A lot has to go our way for Slater to make it to us IMO I don’t think Bengals can resist pairing Chase with Burrow. A definite possibility
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 12, 2021 13:47:26 GMT -5
They say Parsons most commonly selection for us in mock drafts. If we draft Parsons I would start thinking all of this talk about building a "culture" is little more than a sales recruitment tactic.
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Post by DJones19 on Apr 12, 2021 17:22:23 GMT -5
Paye does seem to check the boxes. He had a very impressive Pro Day. I just don't feel like DE/edge is as much need as other positions.
He seems to check the culture box from what I know about him and seems versatile which Graham is big on...can't say this pick would really get me excited though.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 12, 2021 18:59:03 GMT -5
Paye does seem to check the boxes. He had a very impressive Pro Day. I just don't feel like DE/edge is as much need as other positions. He seems to check the culture box from what I know about him and seems versatile which Graham is big on...can't say this pick would really get me excited though. Would be a bad reach at 11 He is more a 4/3 guy He disappeared for long stretches of games I don't see the versatility either He is overhyped that want edge rush or bust at 11
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Post by IrishMike on Apr 12, 2021 19:17:43 GMT -5
At 11 the BPA will be an OL or a receiver. Both positions of need so it will work out. I’m starting to think there is very little chance that Slater makes it to 11. I see 4 potential landing spots for Sewell and Slater in the top 10: 5. Bengals (have to protect Burrow, but could they go Pitts if he is there?) 7. Lions (they need a WR, but I could see Campbell wanting to start his rebuild by fortifying the trenches) 8. Panthers (after the Darnold trade, I see this as a likely OL landing spot unless they trade back) 10. Cowboys (Surtain makes more sense, but their OL is aging) A lot has to go our way for Slater to make it to us IMO I think Miami and Panthers are almost locks to go OL. Sure they might go WR or something but Tua and Darnold NEED protection or it doesn't matter what else they have.
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