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Post by Rangers13 on Apr 23, 2021 14:08:09 GMT -5
Adam Schefter
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Kansas City is trading its first-round pick Thursday night, along with three other picks in the 2021 and 2022 drafts, to the Baltimore Ravens in exchange for Pro Bowl OT Orlando Brown and one pick in the 2021 draft and another in 2022, per sources.
Chiefs are aggressive. Went after Mahomes, now Brown.
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Post by TCHOF on Apr 23, 2021 14:14:58 GMT -5
Damn
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Post by DandyDon on Apr 23, 2021 14:43:19 GMT -5
After watching the Superbowl, I don't blame them.
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Post by giantlegacy on Apr 23, 2021 15:36:20 GMT -5
Not a bad trade Good tackle and move back 25 or so spots and have 2 2nds about t8 hit his prime I have a feeling the Chiefs are not done making major moves.  |
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 23, 2021 17:06:58 GMT -5
Geez...imagine if the Giants had traded up to get him and then continued to handle the OL as they did until very recently. They'd be the best 2-14 team in the league!
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Apr 23, 2021 21:00:51 GMT -5
This is a pretty powerful trade for both teams that are competing against one another as elite teams in the AFC.
KC gets Brown a powerful blocker who was insisting playing LT, in KC he can. And they signed pro bowl FA Guard Thuney from N.E.
KC also winds up with two 2nd rd picks the 48th and 61st in this years draft.
Balt. gets two 1st rd picks the 27th and 31st.
Gets an extra 3rd rd as well from KC. PLus they might have a 3rd 3rd rounder compensatory pick for Judan leaving.
Both teams smiling.
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Post by TEM on Apr 24, 2021 7:42:59 GMT -5
So Reid is a genius for giving up a 1st round (31) a 3rd round pick in 2021 . A 4th and 5th in 2022. For Brown who will be a FA at the end of the season and a 2021 2nd and a 2022 6th
So he basically gave a 1st, a 3rd, a 4th, and a 5th . For a 2nd, a 6th and a rental.
And yet Dave made a horrible deal on the Williams trade with a 3rd and a 5th who was in the same situation as Brown in regards to him being on the last year of his contract.
So I guess by the sentiment of the MB members . Brown has KC by the balls.
PS: no 5th year option on Brown ( he was a 3rd round pick.)
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Post by robl on Apr 24, 2021 10:48:40 GMT -5
Raise your hand if you believe KC is now the favorite for the Super Bowl. I see all hands are up. We don't have dynasties like the old days. If you have a chance to make yourself a Super Bowl favorite, you do it.
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Post by GameTime on Apr 25, 2021 11:18:24 GMT -5
KC has a totally different mind set than the NYGs or most other teams do. They can afford to do what they did.
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Post by Nite on Apr 28, 2021 7:18:28 GMT -5
Both Ravens and Chiefs know how to draft and evaluate players properly. What I mean by properly is to project the player into their system and use them accordingly. Really no need to debate this as their W-L record can attest. They are better than us at this
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Post by GameTime on Apr 28, 2021 14:53:59 GMT -5
Both Ravens and Chiefs know how to draft and evaluate players properly. What I mean by properly is to project the player into their system and use them accordingly. Really no need to debate this as their W-L record can attest. They are better than us at this all teams cycle through low periods. the last decade has been our turn |
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Post by Nite on Apr 29, 2021 8:30:06 GMT -5
Both Ravens and Chiefs know how to draft and evaluate players properly. What I mean by properly is to project the player into their system and use them accordingly. Really no need to debate this as their W-L record can attest. They are better than us at this all teams cycle through low periods. the last decade has been our turn I don't seem to recall a long term Ravens down cycle, Or Pittsburgh or any time in NE (forget about pre 2000) or any of the good teams
Your of the opinion that its fate or some sort of mystical occurrence. Its not. Bad management, bad player development, and really bad (and greedy/incompetent) ownership. I really don't get the love affair with Mara. He is a clueless owner who hasn't recognize that he does not know about running a successful football franchise. Or at the very least recognize that he doesn't know and hire people that do
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Post by GameTime on Apr 29, 2021 8:49:38 GMT -5
all teams cycle through low periods. the last decade has been our turn I don't seem to recall a long term Ravens down cycle, Or Pittsburgh or any time in NE (forget about pre 2000) or any of the good teams
Your of the opinion that its fate or some sort of mystical occurrence. Its not. Bad management, bad player development, and really bad (and greedy/incompetent) ownership. I really don't get the love affair with Mara. He is a clueless owner who hasn't recognize that he does not know about running a successful football franchise. Or at the very least recognize that he doesn't know and hire people that do
mystical? No. Its all real. Why forget about pre 2000? The Ravens were originally the Browns so check your NFL history. I am not using this as an excuse at all but just stating shit happens. I dont like all the moves they make and criticize them often. No matter what the current state of the team is or even the last 10 years they are still one of the storied and most successful franchises on the history of the NFL. Cant take that away and the Mara family has owned and run the team since 1925. How are the NYGs owners any more or less "greedy" than any other owners? There are 31 other teams to chose from. Help yourself them is you want. |
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Post by Nite on Apr 29, 2021 9:17:27 GMT -5
I don't seem to recall a long term Ravens down cycle, Or Pittsburgh or any time in NE (forget about pre 2000) or any of the good teams
Your of the opinion that its fate or some sort of mystical occurrence. Its not. Bad management, bad player development, and really bad (and greedy/incompetent) ownership. I really don't get the love affair with Mara. He is a clueless owner who hasn't recognize that he does not know about running a successful football franchise. Or at the very least recognize that he doesn't know and hire people that do
mystical? No. Its all real. Why forget about pre 2000? The Ravens were originally the Browns so check your NFL history. I am not using this as an excuse at all but just stating shit happens. I dont like all the moves they make and criticize them often. No matter what the current state of the team is or even the last 10 years they are still one of the storied and most successful franchises on the history of the NFL. Cant take that away and the Mara family has owned and run the team since 1925. How are the NYGs owners any more or less "greedy" than any other owners? There are 31 other teams to chose from. Help yourself them is you want. What does the bold mean?
Ok, I criticized my team, you don't agree with my critique so you told me in essence to root for other teams. Kool. ..Very accepting of different opinion... How open minded of you
As for the Maras, 30 years between championships, that sucks. They had on their hand the goat of NFL coaches after Parcels. Let him go They were so dysfunctional the commissioner had to step in and force George Young on them. As for greed well thats just the cherry on top of the shit pie they have been offering to fans for since..forever.. The new stadium sucks, the prices for everything are fugging outrageuos..I could go on but you get my point
So my question to you is. Why are you so accepting of mediocrity? and why do you defend it so much? Don't you expect (and deserve) more for our team?
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Post by GameTime on Apr 29, 2021 9:28:19 GMT -5
mystical? No. Its all real. Why forget about pre 2000? The Ravens were originally the Browns so check your NFL history. I am not using this as an excuse at all but just stating shit happens. I dont like all the moves they make and criticize them often. No matter what the current state of the team is or even the last 10 years they are still one of the storied and most successful franchises on the history of the NFL. Cant take that away and the Mara family has owned and run the team since 1925. How are the NYGs owners any more or less "greedy" than any other owners? There are 31 other teams to chose from. Help yourself them is you want. What does the bold mean?
Ok, I criticized my team, you don't agree with my critique so you told me in essence to root for other teams. Kool. ..Very accepting of different opinion... How open minded of you
As for the Maras, 30 years between championships, that sucks. They had on their hand the goat of NFL coaches after Parcels. Let him go They were so dysfunctional the commissioner had to step in and force George Young on them. As for greed well thats just the cherry on top of the shit pie they have been offering to fans for since..forever.. The new stadium sucks, the prices for everything are fugging outrageuos..I could go on but you get my point
So my question to you is. Why are you so accepting of mediocrity? and why do you defend it so much? Don't you expect (and deserve) more for our team?
not sure what bold means but I didnt do that. How am I accepting mediocrity? What should I do? Buy the team myself? Protest outside the stadium? Of course I expect more but outside of being upset that they have stunk what else can I do? I am not sure how many other NFL team owners there are that their sole "job" is owning an NFL team. I am sure there are several other owners that bought teams as a "side thing" ala Jerry Jones. The Mara family has owned the NYGs as their main business and of course they want it to be profitable. Does any owner not want it to be? They make mistakes and make wrong decisions I get that. But each year a new season starts and I get pumped to see what will happned. I have punched a few holes in the walls in my house in the past and have cursed many players and coaches. I get the frustration but at the end of the day they are the team I root for and always will. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 29, 2021 10:40:40 GMT -5
all teams cycle through low periods. the last decade has been our turn I don't seem to recall a long term Ravens down cycle, Or Pittsburgh or any time in NE (forget about pre 2000) or any of the good teams
Your of the opinion that its fate or some sort of mystical occurrence. Its not. Bad management, bad player development, and really bad (and greedy/incompetent) ownership. I really don't get the love affair with Mara. He is a clueless owner who hasn't recognize that he does not know about running a successful football franchise. Or at the very least recognize that he doesn't know and hire people that do
Well the Ravens are only about 25 years old and I find the first half of their existence to be a pretty unspectacular mix of crappy to mediocre. They're now a very well run franchise and have been very good for the second half of their existence. Great drafting. Similarly, the Steelers are also a great drafting organization. They seem to always have a great defense and a top OL and those two factors will generally alway make you competitive. |
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Post by GameTime on Apr 29, 2021 10:48:24 GMT -5
I don't seem to recall a long term Ravens down cycle, Or Pittsburgh or any time in NE (forget about pre 2000) or any of the good teams
Your of the opinion that its fate or some sort of mystical occurrence. Its not. Bad management, bad player development, and really bad (and greedy/incompetent) ownership. I really don't get the love affair with Mara. He is a clueless owner who hasn't recognize that he does not know about running a successful football franchise. Or at the very least recognize that he doesn't know and hire people that do
Well the Ravens are only about 25 years old and I find the first half of their existence to be a pretty unspectacular mix of crappy to mediocre. They're now a very well run franchise and have been very good for the second half of their existence. Great drafting. Similarly, the Steelers are also a great drafting organization. They seem to always have a great defense and a top OL and those two factors will generally alway make you competitive. another notable factor for the Steelers is look at their HC coaching tenures. Only a few long term successful HCs. 61 years of coaching between Noll, Cowher and Tomlin. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 29, 2021 10:55:51 GMT -5
Well the Ravens are only about 25 years old and I find the first half of their existence to be a pretty unspectacular mix of crappy to mediocre. They're now a very well run franchise and have been very good for the second half of their existence. Great drafting. Similarly, the Steelers are also a great drafting organization. They seem to always have a great defense and a top OL and those two factors will generally alway make you competitive. another notable factor for the Steelers is look at their HC coaching tenures. Only a few long term successful HCs. 61 years of coaching between Noll, Cowher and Tomlin. That is an organization that really does it right. I wish the Giants could achieve that kind of consistency as well but that ain't tracking. To Nite's point, you generally hear "Mara" in the press a hell of a lot more than you hear "Rooney" when it comes to decisions about their respective football teams. |
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Post by Blue Hulk on Apr 29, 2021 12:45:25 GMT -5
Crazy considering how people widely mocked his combine which was one of the worst showings....ever...
more proof the combine means nothing and game tape is "EVRATHANG"
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Post by Nite on Apr 29, 2021 18:11:49 GMT -5
I don't seem to recall a long term Ravens down cycle, Or Pittsburgh or any time in NE (forget about pre 2000) or any of the good teams
Your of the opinion that its fate or some sort of mystical occurrence. Its not. Bad management, bad player development, and really bad (and greedy/incompetent) ownership. I really don't get the love affair with Mara. He is a clueless owner who hasn't recognize that he does not know about running a successful football franchise. Or at the very least recognize that he doesn't know and hire people that do
Well the Ravens are only about 25 years old and I find the first half of their existence to be a pretty unspectacular mix of crappy to mediocre. They're now a very well run franchise and have been very good for the second half of their existence. Great drafting. Similarly, the Steelers are also a great drafting organization. They seem to always have a great defense and a top OL and those two factors will generally alway make you competitive. Well in the 4th year of thier new locale, didn't they win a SB?..Not too shabby, just can't remember who they played against.. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Apr 29, 2021 18:52:23 GMT -5
Well the Ravens are only about 25 years old and I find the first half of their existence to be a pretty unspectacular mix of crappy to mediocre. They're now a very well run franchise and have been very good for the second half of their existence. Great drafting. Similarly, the Steelers are also a great drafting organization. They seem to always have a great defense and a top OL and those two factors will generally alway make you competitive. Well in the 4th year of thier new locale, didn't they win a SB?..Not too shabby, just can't remember who they played against.. You're right, I missed that. It was actually the 5th year but that's immaterial, they did win a championship in 2000. |
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