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Post by giantlegacy on May 1, 2021 12:30:28 GMT -5
Carter Xman Ojulari Smith Cam Brown Coughlin
Plus what's his name FA
Some of these guys can play inside as well.. Add to Martinez and Crowder inside
Log jam
But very possibly a very good deep unit.....
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Post by TEM on May 1, 2021 12:39:38 GMT -5
Ryan Anderson I agree there will be some competition.
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Post by TheAnalyst on May 1, 2021 12:42:03 GMT -5
Carter is gone IMO.
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Post by Jomo on May 1, 2021 12:54:54 GMT -5
I agree, the fact that we devoted so much draft capital to Edge players plus a FA tells me that our coaching staff has a low opinion on some of the guys who were already here. I don't think it's about competition, I think it is about upgrades. We'll see.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 1, 2021 13:01:33 GMT -5
I agree, the fact that we devoted so much draft capital to Edge players plus a FA tells me that our coaching staff has a low opinion on some of the guys who were already here. I don't think it's about competition, I think it is about upgrades. We'll see. Both Competition breeds improvement A 3 year player playing for his existence on the team in a contract year is not going to hand a 4th round pick his spot without a fight
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Post by McCherry on May 1, 2021 13:06:52 GMT -5
Also, Carter/Ximines were Bettcher picks who has been unemployed since being fired.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 1, 2021 13:09:37 GMT -5
Also, Carter/Ximines were Bettcher picks who has been unemployed since being fired. If anything X man might be the first one gone Horrible against the run
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 13:22:00 GMT -5
I would laugh so much if Carter is cut after all the shit I have been given out here about him..
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Post by fifthavephil on May 1, 2021 13:32:18 GMT -5
I would laugh so much if Carter is cut after all the shit I have been given out here about him.. Carter is in his fourth year of his rookie contract. Plus , coming back from knee surgery. I doubt , Giants can get a seventh round pick. X- Man will be in his third year , a make or break year.
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Post by fifthavephil on May 1, 2021 13:35:01 GMT -5
Carter Xman Ojulari Smith Cam Brown Coughlin Plus what's his name FA Some of these guys can play inside as well.. Add to Martinez and Crowder inside Log jam But very possibly a very good deep unit..... Do not forget Ragland ( inside LB )
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 13:35:36 GMT -5
I would laugh so much if Carter is cut after all the shit I have been given out here about him.. Carter is in his fourth year of his rookie contract. Plus , coming back from knee surgery. I doubt , Giants can get a seventh round pick. X- Man will be in his third year , a make or break year. Just to be clear you also think Carter is a bust?
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Post by bluejayc on May 1, 2021 13:40:05 GMT -5
Eeeesh that list not striking fear in any o-line unit or QB from a pressure perspective. Plenty of depth but the quality is questionable.
Shame about Carter getting hurt. He was by far their best edge player last year and seemed to make the strides you’d expect from a third year player…..all the turd announcers kept crying about that game was Dak’s injury….I was screaming **** him the Giants just lost their best edge guy! Hopefully he comes back full strength but I’m skeptical of that.
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Post by fifthavephil on May 1, 2021 13:42:44 GMT -5
Carter is in his fourth year of his rookie contract. Plus , coming back from knee surgery. I doubt , Giants can get a seventh round pick. X- Man will be in his third year , a make or break year. Just to be clear you also think Carter is a bust? I believe people over rated him coming out of college. Thought he may be like Floyd. Personally I like Crowder, whenever i watch ( back then ) Georgia. I thought Giants should have gone OL instead of Carter.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 13:48:39 GMT -5
Just to be clear you also think Carter is a bust? I believe people over rated him coming out of college. Thought he may be like Floyd. Personally I like Crowder, whenever i watch ( back then ) Georgia. I thought Giants should have gone OL instead of Carter. I'm with you all the way. 2 years in a row Getty reached for a pass rusher in the 3rd round when interior olineman seem to have better chances to be solid players..
This is now the another draft where he didn't use a 3rd or 4th to help the oline.. Here comes the wait until next year when they have a solid oline excuse for the bad offense..
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Post by giantlegacy on May 1, 2021 13:52:30 GMT -5
Just to be clear you also think Carter is a bust? I believe people over rated him coming out of college. Thought he may be like Floyd. Personally I like Crowder, whenever i watch ( back then ) Georgia. I thought Giants should have gone OL instead of Carter. He was actually a rare draft crush of mine that we took He and Roquon Smitb turned that game around the 2nd half vs Oklahoma in the Rose Bowl... Very frustrating Showed flashes...disappears 1st 2 years Looked good early then injured.... It's getting extremely late early for him on this roster..
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Post by Merlin on May 1, 2021 13:52:57 GMT -5
Add Ifeadi Odenigbo Ryan Anderson
Key is that some of these guys can rush from inside or outside. So they can scheme pressure from anywhere In blitz packages. That would be the idea anyway imo.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 1, 2021 13:55:19 GMT -5
Add Ifeadi Odenigbo Ryan Anderson Key is that some of these guys can rush from inside or outside. So they can scheme pressure from anywhere In blitz packages. That would be the idea anyway imo. Seems this is the plan..
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Post by myronguyton on May 1, 2021 14:04:04 GMT -5
Ifeadi Odenigbo from the Vikings is the guy not mentioned on the op. He could be pretty high in the depth chart for pass rushing situations.
Completely disagree with the Carter assessments. If he hasn't recovered well from his injury, I could see him being cut, but otherwise, the Giants should and will keep him. He was playing really well before getting injured last season. Definitely a more valuable player overall at this point than Ximines, if at full strength.
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Post by Jomo on May 1, 2021 14:53:20 GMT -5
Also, Carter/Ximines were Bettcher picks who has been unemployed since being fired. If anything X man might be the first one gone Horrible against the run I can't stand players with fancy nick names before they've done anything. Add X to the list that includes D'amonster.. A better nickname for the two of them would be "the invisible men."
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Post by giantlegacy on May 1, 2021 15:00:16 GMT -5
If anything X man might be the first one gone Horrible against the run I can't stand players with fancy nick names before they've done anything. Add X to the list that includes D'amonster.. A better nickname for the two of them would be "the invisible men." . Or possibly Sept 1 ExMan
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Post by Jomo on May 1, 2021 15:05:56 GMT -5
I can't stand players with fancy nick names before they've done anything. Add X to the list that includes D'amonster.. A better nickname for the two of them would be "the invisible men." . Or possibly Sept 1 ExMan You are on a roll today giantlegacy.
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Post by bavarobeast on May 1, 2021 17:05:26 GMT -5
Ryan Anderson was a stud at Alabama. I haven’t paid much attention to his skins production.
I think Anderson and Ojulari will make early impact.
I see X Man being Xed out.
Maybe to crowded for Crowder also.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 1, 2021 17:25:51 GMT -5
Really ? I liked him, thought he would be penciled in as a starter as a sam LBer.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 1, 2021 17:33:48 GMT -5
Add Ifeadi Odenigbo Ryan Anderson Key is that some of these guys can rush from inside or outside. So they can scheme pressure from anywhere In blitz packages. That would be the idea anyway imo. Don't know how good Anderson was on Wash. last year but for some reason I think the Giant brass likes him and he is going to get plenty of playing time.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 1, 2021 17:42:22 GMT -5
Ryan Anderson was a stud at Alabama. I haven’t paid much attention to his skins production. I think Anderson and Ojulari will make early impact. I see X Man being Xed out. Maybe to crowded for Crowder also. Anderson probably got squeezed by recent edge picks there.... Probably a lot higher upside than his stats showed
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Post by Kase1 on May 1, 2021 18:27:57 GMT -5
I can't stand players with fancy nick names before they've done anything. Add X to the list that includes D'amonster.. A better nickname for the two of them would be "the invisible men." . Or possibly Sept 1 ExMan Is he getting a "surgery"?? LOL
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Post by Kase1 on May 1, 2021 18:30:09 GMT -5
Carter Xman Ojulari Smith Cam Brown Coughlin Plus what's his name FA Some of these guys can play inside as well.. Add to Martinez and Crowder inside Log jam But very possibly a very good deep unit..... I could see this being a make or break year for X. He hasn't done much of anything, and is a liability against the run. Dude was supposed to be a pass rushing specialist coming out of college and just never put it together. I really hope Zo Carter can stay healthy, I was expecting BIG things from him in 2020 before the injury
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Post by McCherry on May 1, 2021 18:45:10 GMT -5
Really ? I liked him, thought he would be penciled in as a starter as a sam LBer. Yeah, I would think Carter has a future if he can stay healthy. He would’ve had a good season last year.
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Post by IrishMike on May 1, 2021 19:01:53 GMT -5
I thought that Ojulari was the best pass rusher in the draft. We got him in the 2nd which is a steal but he has 1st round talent. I would be shocked if he doesn't smoke these guys and have a full time edge gig by mid season. I only say mid season because we don't know what the rest of the off season will look like. I think he is hands down the best edge rusher we have.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2021 19:03:56 GMT -5
I thought that Ojulari was the best pass rusher in the draft. We got him in the 2nd which is a steal but he has 1st round talent. I would be shocked if he doesn't smoke these guys and have a full time edge gig by mid season. I only say mid season because we don't know what the rest of the off season will look like. I think he is hands down the best edge rusher we have. I really hope you are correct!!
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