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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 14, 2021 21:54:04 GMT -5
Damn, just did a quick 3 rounder. I would be THRILLED with this draft in the first 3 rounds. Neal locks up that RT. Williams is a future STAR WR. Drake Jackson is super versatile and can play with the hand in the dirt, but also on 2 feet in coverage. Good bye Carter. Ebiketie has really caught my eye recently. Making of a very good pass rusher IMO. Patterson can be a solid C but can also play G Wyatt jumps in the middle and can get pressures as well in a nice rotation. Plus trade back to 10 and nab ATLs 1st rounder next year. Uurgh.. The thought of taking a WR with one of our firsts this year sickens me to my stomach.. But after wasting 72 million on Golladay and the rest of the unit a mash unit unfortunately this is indeed turning into a bigger need. With that said we really can't even think about one till day 3,maybe our later 3rd rounder if value is there the earliest.. Like the Neal/Jackson picks though (I actually think Jackson skyrockets along with Ojabo into the mid 1st so maybe trade back and get one of those) Getting a 2023 Falcons 1st could be as good as the Bears pick we are getting...in a much better qb class..
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 14, 2021 22:51:52 GMT -5
Damn, just did a quick 3 rounder. I would be THRILLED with this draft in the first 3 rounds. Neal locks up that RT. Williams is a future STAR WR. Drake Jackson is super versatile and can play with the hand in the dirt, but also on 2 feet in coverage. Good bye Carter. Ebiketie has really caught my eye recently. Making of a very good pass rusher IMO. Patterson can be a solid C but can also play G Wyatt jumps in the middle and can get pressures as well in a nice rotation. Plus trade back to 10 and nab ATLs 1st rounder next year. Uurgh.. The thought of taking a WR with one of our firsts this year sickens me to my stomach.. But after wasting 72 million on Golladay and the rest of the unit a mash unit unfortunately this is indeed turning into a bigger need. With that said we really can't even think about one till day 3,maybe our later 3rd rounder if value is there the earliest.. Like the Neal/Jackson picks though (I actually think Jackson skyrockets along with Ojabo into the mid 1st so maybe trade back and get one of those) Getting a 2023 Falcons 1st could be as good as the Bears pick we are getting...in a much better qb class.. Yeah I hear ya, but Jameson Williams will IMO be a star WR. Unbelievable size and speed and quickness combination. We need one. I still drafted OT and C/G along with much needed pass rush. And that 1st next year is the key to get Bryce Young.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 15, 2021 3:24:18 GMT -5
Uurgh.. The thought of taking a WR with one of our firsts this year sickens me to my stomach.. But after wasting 72 million on Golladay and the rest of the unit a mash unit unfortunately this is indeed turning into a bigger need. With that said we really can't even think about one till day 3,maybe our later 3rd rounder if value is there the earliest.. Like the Neal/Jackson picks though (I actually think Jackson skyrockets along with Ojabo into the mid 1st so maybe trade back and get one of those) Getting a 2023 Falcons 1st could be as good as the Bears pick we are getting...in a much better qb class.. Yeah I hear ya, but Jameson Williams will IMO be a star WR. Unbelievable size and speed and quickness combination. We need one. I still drafted OT and C/G along with much needed pass rush. And that 1st next year is the key to get Bryce Young. The only way we get ahead of Detroit if they don't take a qb is if Jones neck is career threatening and we go into 20022 with Glennon as our starter I think Florida has a qb worth looking into ad well(have not followed them as well)
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 15, 2021 7:42:03 GMT -5
Damn, just did a quick 3 rounder. I would be THRILLED with this draft in the first 3 rounds. Neal locks up that RT. Williams is a future STAR WR. Drake Jackson is super versatile and can play with the hand in the dirt, but also on 2 feet in coverage. Good bye Carter. Ebiketie has really caught my eye recently. Making of a very good pass rusher IMO. Patterson can be a solid C but can also play G Wyatt jumps in the middle and can get pressures as well in a nice rotation. Plus trade back to 10 and nab ATLs 1st rounder next year. Uurgh.. The thought of taking a WR with one of our firsts this year sickens me to my stomach.. But after wasting 72 million on Golladay and the rest of the unit a mash unit unfortunately this is indeed turning into a bigger need. With that said we really can't even think about one till day 3,maybe our later 3rd rounder if value is there the earliest.. Like the Neal/Jackson picks though (I actually think Jackson skyrockets along with Ojabo into the mid 1st so maybe trade back and get one of those) Getting a 2023 Falcons 1st could be as good as the Bears pick we are getting...in a much better qb class.. it does hurt, but KG has not earned a fraction of the contract we gave him, and WR it still a hole for this team. Is till say focus on O Line and Edge at the top. As much as people laughed at the Pokes for taking Lamb when they were already pretty loaded at WR, it is working out pretty well for them. You never know which player will come in, and close a bunch of holes around them.
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 15, 2021 14:43:59 GMT -5
Damn, just did a quick 3 rounder. I would be THRILLED with this draft in the first 3 rounds. Neal locks up that RT. Williams is a future STAR WR. Drake Jackson is super versatile and can play with the hand in the dirt, but also on 2 feet in coverage. Good bye Carter. Ebiketie has really caught my eye recently. Making of a very good pass rusher IMO. Patterson can be a solid C but can also play G Wyatt jumps in the middle and can get pressures as well in a nice rotation. Plus trade back to 10 and nab ATLs 1st rounder next year. Uurgh.. The thought of taking a WR with one of our firsts this year sickens me to my stomach.. But after wasting 72 million on Golladay and the rest of the unit a mash unit unfortunately this is indeed turning into a bigger need. With that said we really can't even think about one till day 3,maybe our later 3rd rounder if value is there the earliest.. Like the Neal/Jackson picks though (I actually think Jackson skyrockets along with Ojabo into the mid 1st so maybe trade back and get one of those) Getting a 2023 Falcons 1st could be as good as the Bears pick we are getting...in a much better qb class.. I'm worried that WR is quickly becoming a need. Outside of KG and KT, we don't have much. I don't see Engram, Shepherd, or Ross being a long term solution . It's sad, but it's a reality that we might have to look into QBs coming out in 2023
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 16, 2021 12:30:40 GMT -5
Fanspeak.com Rankings
R1 P5 OT Ikem Ekwonu - NC State
6: R1 P6 C Tyler Linderbaum - Iowa
37: R2 P5 LB Devin Lloyd - Utah
69: R3 P5 WR David Bell - Purdue
76: R3 P12 TE Jeremy Ruckert - Ohio State
108: R4 P6 EDGE Zion Tupuola-Fetui - Washington
147: R5 P5 RB Zamir White - Georgia
171: R5 P29 WR Khalil Shakir - Boise State
184: R6 P5 G Lecitus Smith - Virginia Tech
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 16, 2021 12:30:58 GMT -5
CBS Rankings
R1 P5 DL Aidan Hutchinson - Michigan 6: R1 P6 S Kyle Hamilton - Notre Dame 37: R2 P5 WR David Bell - Purdue 69: R3 P5 DL Demarvin Leal - Texas A&M 76: R3 P12 OT Jaxson Kirkland - Washington 108: R4 P6 G Zion Johnson - Boston College 147: R5 P5 TE Jeremy Ruckert - Ohio State 171: R5 P29 G Lecitus Smith - Virginia Tech 184: R6 P5 RB Zamir White - Georgia
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Post by lt56 on Dec 16, 2021 14:52:16 GMT -5
best player(s) available over needs
we have the Left Tackle already in Thomas, we don't need to reach high for a Lineman just because and that is the issue with this organization right now we passed on some excellent players to draft "Needs". People have us drafting a damn Center in the Top 10? Really? Linderbaum is a beast but not Top 10
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Post by krappdetector on Dec 16, 2021 15:07:22 GMT -5
NO to WR or RB before RD 4! And I am inexpicably fearful that Evan Neal could turn into Meckhi Becton w injuries, or worse - Eric Flowers !😞. So Kenyon Green or a top edge @5 and OT after a tradeback in Rd1 or later.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 16, 2021 22:51:20 GMT -5
NO to WR or RB before RD 4!And I am inexpicably fearful that Evan Neal could turn into Meckhi Becton w injuries, or worse - Eric Flowers !😞. So Kenyon Green or a top edge @5 and OT after a tradeback in Rd1 or later. I have only been looking at 3rd round or later graded WRs till this point,as ****ed up as WR being a need again after what we used this offseason it would be irresponsible to use one of our 1st 4 picks at the very least on this position..(I'm actually using my cut off bar at our 2nd 3rd) Actually getting a mid round guy this year like a Pickins (if he checks out medically)would be a perfect get. Once you establish a fleet of playmakers its when you get a guy with redundant skill sets (think mid sized dynamic type route runner Ala Van Jefferson ,Dyanni Brown )every year or so,it's what the Rams and Steelers do)
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Post by krappdetector on Dec 17, 2021 12:19:46 GMT -5
5: R1 P5 EDGE Aidan Hutchinson - Michigan 6: R1 P6 OT Ikem Ekwonu - NC State 37: R2 P5 LB Devin Lloyd - Utah 69: R3 P5 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia 76: R3 P12 TE Jeremy Ruckert - Ohio State 108: R4 P6 RB Kyren Williams - Notre Dame 147: R5 P5 EDGE Brenton Cox - Florida 171: R5 P29 G Lecitus Smith - Virginia Tech 184: R6 P5 LB Ellis Brooks - Penn State I really like this.. especially another edge at OLB. But I don't think we get the G Smith that late.. and we REALLY need a good guard.. or two!😁
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 17, 2021 14:30:49 GMT -5
best player(s) available over needs we have the Left Tackle already in Thomas, we don't need to reach high for a Lineman just because and that is the issue with this organization right now we passed on some excellent players to draft "Needs". People have us drafting a damn Center in the Top 10? Really? Linderbaum is a beast but not Top 10 We all know we have our LT with Thomas, what we DONT have are the other 4 spots on the OL...... What if the BPA happens to be a OT or a C, are you going to hope we pass on them because of their position. I get that drafting a center so high is crazy, I think the highest a C has ever been drafted in the past 30yrs was 18th overall. That doesnt mean Linderbaum doesnt deserve it, dude is a beast, like you said, it just is a tougher pill to swallow for most. Would you rather draft a possible perennial all pro center who elevates the play of the guys on either side of him, or would you want a pass rusher would be a possible edge setter and slightly above average defender. Hell if it was between the best punter of all time or a decent WR, Im taking the punter. If we're gonna go BPA, we gotta go FULLY BPA regardless of position
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 17, 2021 14:34:02 GMT -5
5: R1 P5 EDGE Aidan Hutchinson - Michigan 6: R1 P6 OT Ikem Ekwonu - NC State 37: R2 P5 LB Devin Lloyd - Utah 69: R3 P5 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia 76: R3 P12 TE Jeremy Ruckert - Ohio State 108: R4 P6 RB Kyren Williams - Notre Dame 147: R5 P5 EDGE Brenton Cox - Florida 171: R5 P29 G Lecitus Smith - Virginia Tech 184: R6 P5 LB Ellis Brooks - Penn State Yes please My only feedback would be, maybe we could snag a WR instead of Cox. Other than that id give it a 9/10, excellent job
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Post by nygfanstrick on Dec 17, 2021 20:26:10 GMT -5
R1 P6 OT Ikem Ekwonu - N.C. State- Day one star on the OL likely R1 P12 C Tyler Linderbaum - Iowa- Day one star on the OL likely R1 P18 DL DeMarvin Leal - Texas A&M- Versatile DL who can rush the passer and play the run. Can play inside and outside R2 P5 OT Trevor Penning - Northern Iowa- Day one RT I think. Spencer Brown from UNI is playing well from what I’ve seen and I think Penning is better R3 P5 LB Chad Muma - Wyoming- LB who can make plays all over R3 P12 CB Marcus Jones - Houston- talented CB with return experience. Can never have enough DBs R4 P6 EDGE Tre Williams - Arkansas- Talented edge who is would be a day one edge rotation guy R5 P5 TE Cole Turner - Nevada- talented TE and a major area of need R5 P29 RB Tyler Badie - Missouri- dynamic RB who would be great value here. Undersized a bit but very good R6 P5 S Joey Blount - Virginia- can never have enough DBs
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 17, 2021 23:44:28 GMT -5
No camp fodder 4 Round
NYG 5.
Evan Neal OT Alabama NYG 6.
George Karlaftis EDGE Purdue NYG 38.
Nicholas Petit-Frere OT Ohio State NYG 70.
Daniel Faalele OT Minnesota NYG 77.
Chad Muma LB Wyoming NYG 107.
Tyler Davis DT Clemson
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 18, 2021 1:43:21 GMT -5
Got a hell of a haul for a trade offer Interesting direction I ended up going in
5: R1 P5 S Kyle Hamilton - Notre Dame
Thib and Hutch were gone,as was Neal...next highest rated edge guy was late teens..
I'm starting to be OK with this guy early as he can play every safety spot and actually play in the box as a weapon.. BPA..still not comfortable taking a safety at 5 but we will eventually need to replace Ryan as well..
16: R1 P16 C Tyler Linderbaum - Iowa
Starting to see his stock dip a bit,mainly because of positional value To me he is a top 10 talent,instantly makes the line better inside.
37: R2 P5 LB Devin Lloyd - Utah
BPA,not an edge guy but he makes our front 7 that much better
48: R2 P16 OT Darian Kinnard - Kentucky
Can play inside as well..
58: R2 P26 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia
Interior trench meat on the D line..
69: R3 P5 EDGE Nik Bonitto - Oklahoma
Kinda late for an edge type but we have a need and he was BPA
76: R3 P12 TE Jeremy Ruckert - Ohio State
My favorite TE in this draft,which is a need
80: R3 P16 RB Kyren Williams - Notre Dame
Dynamic modern RB that is a threat every time he touches the ball and in the passing game as well
108: R4 P6 S Daniel Wright - Alabama
BPA,nothing really interested me here even on a reach..depth move at best
147: R5 P5 WR Ty Fryfogle - Indiana
Highly productive guy ,looks to have dynamic ability and good route running..WR is unfortunately a need again but due to yet another year of high end talent we can get a guy with good starting upside in this part of the draft
171: R5 P29 EDGE Isaiah Thomas - Oklahoma
Edge rush help
184: R6 P5 WR Tre Turner - Virginia Tech See my take on Fryfogle..but he is a special teams ace as well
This guy should have a 3rd round grade on him
TRADES Trade Partner: Denver Broncos
Sent:
Round 1 Pick 6 Received:
Round 1 Pick 16 Round 2 Pick 16 Round 2 Pick 26 Round 3 Pick 16
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 18, 2021 9:08:24 GMT -5
lol, my bad. I thought mock drafts were serious predictions. Mocks including trades for hauls is like posting the results from your video game. A true mock aka a laugh.
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 18, 2021 9:25:28 GMT -5
lol, my bad. I thought mock drafts were serious predictions. Mocks including trades for hauls is like posting the results from your video game. A true mock aka a laugh. ...Dude, its a mock draft thread. It's not like Mara is coming in here to see what our general consensus is so he can use it come ACTUAL draft time. We're just bullshitting and discussing prospects, you're being a real stick in the mud, LOL
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 18, 2021 10:03:27 GMT -5
lol, my bad. I thought mock drafts were serious predictions. Mocks including trades for hauls is like posting the results from your video game. A true mock aka a laugh. ...Dude, its a mock draft thread. It's not like Mara is coming in here to see what our general consensus is so he can use it come ACTUAL draft time. We're just bullshitting and discussing prospects, you're being a real stick in the mud, LOL I said, my bad. Usually the mocks try to predict what will happen. Now i know it’s different. Enjoy
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 18, 2021 13:12:18 GMT -5
lol, my bad. I thought mock drafts were serious predictions. Mocks including trades for hauls is like posting the results from your video game. A true mock aka a laugh. ...Dude, its a mock draft thread. It's not like Mara is coming in here to see what our general consensus is so he can use it come ACTUAL draft time. We're just bullshitting and discussing prospects, you're being a real stick in the mud, LOL I see he is bringing his usual toxic virus that he spews in every other forum here now as well.... Nevermind the fact that besides having some fun witb scenarios (like me having to pick players I'm not used to because my usual targets are gone,board falls a different way,ect that force us out of the box without reaching for a need position,which is many actually forget on draft day when the team seemingly ignores a position because this happens every round and it's out of the GMs control),it forces us to also research prospects we wouldn't normally do when presented a fly in the ointment when you hit players profiles...
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 18, 2021 14:12:39 GMT -5
...Dude, its a mock draft thread. It's not like Mara is coming in here to see what our general consensus is so he can use it come ACTUAL draft time. We're just bullshitting and discussing prospects, you're being a real stick in the mud, LOL I see he is bringing his usual toxic virus that he spews in every other forum here now as well.... more skeptical hoopla but thanks for for sharing.
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Post by Roswell on Dec 20, 2021 17:35:01 GMT -5
He doesn't have to, when your in position to possibly only get one or two of the top Oline prospects this year and you're dismantling you're entire shit oline.. he's an option. Not everyone the giants have a chance to draft for the oline is going to be flawless you got neal, lindenbaum and then a drop off each of the others are going to have flaws but yes his footwork is ugly I'm not saying we are gonna get 4 flawless prospects, just saying that Cross seems to be very overrated, just like Neal. PLENTY of good OL prospects coming out this year, especially at RT and OG OT's Ikem Ekwonu, NC State Darian Kinnard, Kentucky Danny Faalele, Minn Jason Kirkland, Washington OG's Kenyon Green, Texas A&M Lecitus Smith, VTech Zion Johnson, BC Ed Ingram, LSU C Tyler Linderbaum, Iowa Alec Lindstrom, BC The Giants need to draft just about everyone on this list.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 20, 2021 21:41:35 GMT -5
Uurgh.. The thought of taking a WR with one of our firsts this year sickens me to my stomach.. But after wasting 72 million on Golladay and the rest of the unit a mash unit unfortunately this is indeed turning into a bigger need. With that said we really can't even think about one till day 3,maybe our later 3rd rounder if value is there the earliest.. Like the Neal/Jackson picks though (I actually think Jackson skyrockets along with Ojabo into the mid 1st so maybe trade back and get one of those) Getting a 2023 Falcons 1st could be as good as the Bears pick we are getting...in a much better qb class.. Yeah I hear ya, but Jameson Williams will IMO be a star WR. Unbelievable size and speed and quickness combination. We need one. I still drafted OT and C/G along with much needed pass rush. And that 1st next year is the key to get Bryce Young. I don't know many of these players am reading and learning these players from what you guys are saying. But why would Atlanta move up and give us their 1st rd pick next year ?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 20, 2021 21:48:10 GMT -5
best player(s) available over needs we have the Left Tackle already in Thomas, we don't need to reach high for a Lineman just because and that is the issue with this organization right now we passed on some excellent players to draft "Needs". People have us drafting a damn Center in the Top 10? Really? Linderbaum is a beast but not Top 10 Eh. If he is a beast, and dominates the NFL, no one will care it's a top 10 pick. Think Dallas cares about drafting Zach Martin top 10? Or Colts about Quentin Nelson? Great picks because they are great players.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 20, 2021 21:50:20 GMT -5
Yeah I hear ya, but Jameson Williams will IMO be a star WR. Unbelievable size and speed and quickness combination. We need one. I still drafted OT and C/G along with much needed pass rush. And that 1st next year is the key to get Bryce Young. I don't know many of these players am reading and learning these players from what you guys are saying. But why would Atlanta move up and give us their 1st rd pick next year ? I forget who they wound up drafting.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 21, 2021 9:47:00 GMT -5
I don't know many of these players am reading and learning these players from what you guys are saying. But why would Atlanta move up and give us their 1st rd pick next year ? I forget who they wound up drafting. Oh OK, Thanks
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Post by Kase1 on Dec 21, 2021 14:59:03 GMT -5
I'm not saying we are gonna get 4 flawless prospects, just saying that Cross seems to be very overrated, just like Neal. PLENTY of good OL prospects coming out this year, especially at RT and OG OT's Ikem Ekwonu, NC State Darian Kinnard, Kentucky Danny Faalele, Minn Jason Kirkland, Washington OG's Kenyon Green, Texas A&M Lecitus Smith, VTech Zion Johnson, BC Ed Ingram, LSU C Tyler Linderbaum, Iowa Alec Lindstrom, BC The Giants need to draft just about everyone on this list. And I'd be TOTALLY cool with that
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 21, 2021 15:13:06 GMT -5
Interesting description of Ikem Ekwonu, NC State:
"I sometimes get strong Will Hernandez vibes, both the good and the bad. There are times where he struggled with field awareness. I think things should be easier for him on the interior, don't think he's a tackle at the next level (we have him listed at guard). When he gets out on the edge, it's disgusting to watch him hit people. He's not just going to hit you, he's going to drive you into the turf. He's a lot of fun, I'd love to see him more at guard. In a word, from an athleticism and power standpoint - "Disgusting"."
-Dalton Miller
As a tackle I'm not sold, but as a guard he looks like an absolute beast. He played exclusively at guard in 2019, split reps outside and in for 2020. His name translates as “my effort will not go in vain,” and he's been described as “the most feared lineman in the ACC” ahead of this college football season. But don't be fooled by his smiling, bespectacled, off-field demeanor — North Carolina State offensive guard Ikem Ekwonu is a violent game-changer who is one of the best interior offensive linemen in the 2022 NFL Draft class.
-Oliver Hodgkinson
Sounds like an interior guard rather than a RT. We could also use a G so....
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 21, 2021 15:44:48 GMT -5
NYG 9. Charles Cross OT Mississippi State trade icon
NYG 17. Jameson Williams WR Alabama trade icon
NYG 37. Drake Jackson EDGE USC
NYG 58. Ed Ingram OG LSU trade icon
NYG 70. Arnold Ebiketie EDGE Penn State
NYG 79. Alec Lindstrom OC Boston College
NYG 81. Haskell Garrett DT Ohio State trade icon
NYG 108. Owen Pappoe LB Auburn
NYG 148. Josh Whyle TE Cincinnati
NYG 173. Isaiah Pola-Mao S USC
NYG 184. Tyler Smith OT Tulsa
NYG 226. Allie Green IV CB Missouri
2023 PIT 1st 2023 CAR 2nd 2023 CAR 3rd
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 21, 2021 18:20:23 GMT -5
5: R1 P5 OT Ikem Ekwonu - N.C. State 6: R1 P6 CB Derek Stingley - LSU 37: R2 P5 EDGE George Karlaftis - Purdue69: R3 P5 WR John Metchie - Alabama 76: R3 P12 G Darian Kinnard - Kentucky 108: R4 P6 CB Mykael Wright - Oregon 147: R5 P5 TE Isaiah Likely - Coastal Carolina 171: R5 P29 EDGE Brenton Cox - Florida 184: R6 P5 LB Quay Walker - Georgia Dude? Com’on. lol . . . yeah, we wish.
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