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Post by Roosevelt on May 24, 2021 9:16:22 GMT -5
Odell was relatively short.
With only one great hand.
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Post by Roosevelt on May 24, 2021 9:22:41 GMT -5
They’re all equal importance. Some, more than others. Speed seems to be everyone’s favorite. Whenever we draft/sign a receiver we need to know his 40 time. Sinorice Moss ran a 4.38. And he couldn’t catch a cold in Antarctica. Then we have height, after Plaxico we all wanted receivers who were tall. See Ramses Barden. He had the height of a small forward, and played even smaller on the football field. And last, hands. Which, is what separates the men from the boys. This is a standard requirement in the NFL. You can have the speed of a cheetah, and the height of the Sears tower. If you can’t catch at a high rate, you’ll be the fastest, tallest life insurance agent. Give me Jerry Rice clone and I’ll be good. A fast receiver, who runs great routes, and is a tireless worker.
The thing I loved about Jerry the most was his bad hands.
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Post by Kruunch on May 24, 2021 9:37:50 GMT -5
They’re all equal importance. Some, more than others. Speed seems to be everyone’s favorite. Whenever we draft/sign a receiver we need to know his 40 time. Sinorice Moss ran a 4.38. And he couldn’t catch a cold in Antarctica. Then we have height, after Plaxico we all wanted receivers who were tall. See Ramses Barden. He had the height of a small forward, and played even smaller on the football field. And last, hands. Which, is what separates the men from the boys. This is a standard requirement in the NFL. You can have the speed of a cheetah, and the height of the Sears tower. If you can’t catch at a high rate, you’ll be the fastest, tallest life insurance agent. Give me Jerry Rice clone and I’ll be good. A fast receiver, who runs great routes, and is a tireless worker.
The thing I loved about Jerry the most was his bad hands. Jerry Rice first playoff game was against us. In total, he had 4 receptions for 45 yards. And a fumble. Oh, and the 49ers lost that game. I wonder if 49ers fans were calling for his head and saying he sucks during that time. Only an idiot would judge a player off of one playoff game..
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Post by Roosevelt on May 24, 2021 10:14:00 GMT -5
The thing I loved about Jerry the most was his bad hands. Jerry Rice first playoff game was against us. In total, he had 4 receptions for 45 yards. And a fumble. Oh, and the 49ers lost that game. I wonder if 49ers fans were calling for his head and saying he sucks during that time. Only an idiot would judge a player off of one playoff game..
I don't know if I hated a team's fans more than 49'ers fans in the early 80's.
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Post by Providence on May 24, 2021 10:33:48 GMT -5
In order:
1.) Hands 2.) Speed 3.) Route running 4.) Height
We've seen receivers of all different heights have great success in the league, so I'm listing that one last. It's obviously important, just not as important as the others. And don't get me wrong, I think route running is extremely important, but I think route running is built on a foundation of speed to begin with. Will Hernandez might be able to run precise routes, but he's never playing WR because he's too slow. Route running is absolutely critical, but without some speed, it's useless. But, at the end of the day, if you can get separation while also running a precise route but the ball bounces off of your hands, you're not going far. Hands is number one in my book.
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Post by McCherry on May 24, 2021 10:44:59 GMT -5
Here's a list of the 40 times of the top receivers from 2020. Hill is the only one in the top-10 under 6 feet. Stefon Diggs - 4.5 Travis Kelce - 4.7 Deandre Hopkins - 4.5 Justin Jefferson - 4.4 Davante Adams - 4.5 Calvin Ridley - 4.4 DK Metcalf - 4.3 Tyreek Hill - 4.2 Allen Robinson - 4.6 Darren Waller - 4.5 Kenny Golladay runs a 4.5 My point is the best receivers in the NFL all have size and average 40 times.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 24, 2021 10:59:22 GMT -5
Kenny Golladay runs a 4.5 My point is the best receivers in the NFL all have size and average 40 times. You also added TEs in there which 100% completely invalidates your take
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Post by McCherry on May 24, 2021 11:29:07 GMT -5
My point is the best receivers in the NFL all have size and average 40 times. You also thread TEs in there which 100% completely invalidates your take Take out the 2 TE's, there are still only 5 WR's in the top 20 who run in the 4.3 range.
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Post by giantlegacy on May 24, 2021 11:44:20 GMT -5
You also thread TEs in there which 100% completely invalidates your take Take out the 2 TE's, there are still only 5 WR's in the top 20 who run in the 4.3 range. Stop trying to spin thkgs to justify slowpokes Robinson is a useless possession receicer that teams don't fear so take him out The rest have the suitable 4.5 and under speed Ans the amount of players entering the league the past 3 years running sub 4.3 will yet again prove me correct when this list greatly expands showing this
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on May 24, 2021 11:54:18 GMT -5
Hands and precise route running short area quiks, last winning contested balls might be the biggest. most of the best WRs that we won with here were 4.4 and up Nicks was a 4.6 Manningham was a 4.5 Boss nor Ballard were burners for the position. it is feel and route running smarts that gets guys open. Shep is not a burner but more time then not he is open more then some of our faster WRs. In todays league there are a lot of guys who run fast or are tall but if that is all they have they are not gonna be better then a polished guy who runs a 4.5 or 4.6 and wins the battle for the ball. Thats what made OBJ special he had speed and was polished. the only place he was maybe average or below was contested catches at times. Also a different game back then.Today is all about speed,just look at how many blazers have entered the league the past 3 years or so. And it's also dangerous (not you,but others)to say we never won with a fleet of guys that had deep speed (some want to use this to justify still wanting to play an ancient way ),mainly because we had (other than Manningham which is why he was only a Z and his tree was limited and why he never put up an 80 catch 1200 yard year like he could have with his physicalability))a bunch of high IQ players that were able to find the soft spots pre and post snap which made for easier seperation when running routes full speed with our Erheart Perkins/Run and Shoot hybrid (which is why guys like Edelman and Welker flourished with new England in that system as well) With option routes making a comeback league wide with air raid concepts being added high IQ is also going to be important Absolutely IQ is big, it seems everyone coming out these days can run it's learning how to get open. Even tho Whitten was a TE he is a good example I don't think he could run the last 5 or 6 years of his career but he found away to create separation and Garret should probably get some credit to. Speed is a big part of todays game for sure and the more you have on both sides of the ball the better. They need to be fast football players like Toney not track stars playing football lol.
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Post by ratbastich on May 24, 2021 12:03:44 GMT -5
They’re all equal importance. Some, more than others. Speed seems to be everyone’s favorite. Whenever we draft/sign a receiver we need to know his 40 time. Sinorice Moss ran a 4.38. And he couldn’t catch a cold in Antarctica. Then we have height, after Plaxico we all wanted receivers who were tall. See Ramses Barden. He had the height of a small forward, and played even smaller on the football field. And last, hands. Which, is what separates the men from the boys. This is a standard requirement in the NFL. You can have the speed of a cheetah, and the height of the Sears tower. If you can’t catch at a high rate, you’ll be the fastest, tallest life insurance agent. Give me Jerry Rice clone and I’ll be good. A fast receiver, who runs great routes, and is a tireless worker.
The thing I loved about Jerry the most was his bad hands. One of the best things about Rice is that when he caught the ball he immediately turned up the field and started gaining yards. A lot of NFL receivers today play college/high school style where they run as many yards East and West as they should be North and South. I don't know what his YAC was but it had to be good.
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Post by Blue Hulk on May 24, 2021 12:11:27 GMT -5
The thing I loved about Jerry the most was his bad hands. One of the best things about Rice is that when he caught the ball he immediately turned up the field and started gaining yards. A lot of NFL receivers today play college/high school style where they run as many yards East and West as they should be North and South. I don't know what his YAC was but it had to be good. Every WR on the pro level immediately turns up field when they catch a ball. That is automatic with them and most drops are caused by the WR being overly concerned with turning to avoid the defender and a big hit. What WR do you see on the pro level that doesn't do this?
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Post by Blue Hulk on May 24, 2021 12:13:00 GMT -5
Kenny Golladay runs a 4.5 My point is the best receivers in the NFL all have size and average 40 times. I wasn't making a point when posting KG 40 times, I just thought u left out a very good receiver. I don't have a dog in this race and have no idea what you guys are debating.
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Post by McCherry on May 24, 2021 13:22:52 GMT -5
My point is the best receivers in the NFL all have size and average 40 times. I wasn't making a point when posting KG 40 times, I just thought u left out a very good receiver. I don't have a dog in this race and have no idea what you guys are debating. I was posting the 40 times of the top-10 receivers in 2020. I agree about Golloday though. Any 6' 5" receiver that runs a 4.5 is fast.
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Post by snyder55 on May 24, 2021 15:29:38 GMT -5
the first quality requirement for any receiver to have is good hands, none of the others matter if he can't catch the ball...
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Post by IrishMike on May 25, 2021 11:04:22 GMT -5
Getting open is more important than height or speed. Jerry Rice wasn't super fast but could always get open.
Hands matter above all else because if you can't catch the ball it doesn't matter.
Certainly a combo is nice though because it's easier to catch the ball if you're open, you do more damage if you're fast, you are a different type of threat if you're tall.
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Post by Blue Hulk on May 28, 2021 18:58:08 GMT -5
You can't teach height
You can improve your speed but not by much.
You can work on your hands, but small mitts aren't catching zingers.
Hands + Speed is ideal. Height is a cherry on top but no longer necessary because u don't need to be tall if you can outrun a DB and catch in stride.
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Post by GMenNY21 on May 28, 2021 21:33:31 GMT -5
ROUTE RUNNING
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Post by cruzsoldier on May 29, 2021 8:55:43 GMT -5
Hands should be the most important if your wide receiver can’t catch the football it’s like a leadoff hitter who can’t get on base.
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Post by Jomo on May 29, 2021 9:18:22 GMT -5
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Post by Jomo on May 29, 2021 9:38:20 GMT -5
Getting in and out of breaks and disguising the route is more important than flat out speed.
Hands are still the first necessity, size is a distant third for me......nice to have but..
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