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Post by jb456 on Jul 28, 2021 12:10:48 GMT -5
Per the bold, in the US in July, your point is possible but there is not a means of detecting how many colds people are catching per day, never has been. 80,000 in a country that is this size may not be all that much in the grand scheme of things. Children alone constantly catch colds all year long. Believe me I know, I worked as a day camp counselor (not even sleep away camp) for 6 summers. After a few weeks of twice a day swimming, particularly in the cooler summers during those years, the children would be getting colds left and right. Some would still be sent into the camp, not pleasant for me, other counselors/staff nor the other campers! Granted of this 80,000 number (or whatever the count is in the US) how many are kids who cannot be vaccinated and I mean are parents even testing kids for Covid the day they show initial symptoms? Highly unlikely so hard to say if that number includes children under the age of 12 unless there's a stat out there for it. 80K a day What % leads to death or a severe hospital stay Again we aren't seeing a huge spike in death toll..as per any illness the ones who are compromised will get hit the hardest... Also seems that treating the sympathy has improves over the year as well.. I believe hospitalization and death are lagging indicators. First the spike in cases, then death follows. I think it was 10-17 days to die when it began (after symptoms occurred). Cases just started to really spike so we should see if there is a significant uptick in deaths within the next few weeks. The death rate may decline (vs the original rate) since a large amount of seniors already had the vaccine. Either way, this virus is deadlier than the flu and there are very few cases of the flu in the summer. It feels a lot worse than the flu and harder to kick (if you get symptoms).
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Post by jb456 on Jul 28, 2021 12:16:13 GMT -5
didnt mean it for the team I meant in general. Lots of cases of peeps getting Covid after being vaxed. Small percentage wise and in line with the vaccine efficacy rates. I wonder how many of those cases are the delta variant. In Israel, (One of the most vaccinated countries), they said the vaccine is only 39% effective against delta's symptomatic cases. Obviously it has a much greater rate of preventing hospitalization and death. On the other hand, in Great Britain, they said the vaccine was 89% effective. Who the hell knows...
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Post by robl on Jul 28, 2021 12:37:57 GMT -5
The delta variant is going to change the numbers in the above chart. Hospitalizations and deaths will remain low but symptomatic infections are clearly up among those fully vaccinated.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jul 28, 2021 12:40:08 GMT -5
The delta variant is going to change the numbers in the above chart. Hospitalizations and deaths will remain low but symptomatic infections are clearly up among those fully vaccinated. Already is And most people who get symptoms that were vaccinated were over it quickly with only a day or 2 of discomfort
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2021 12:48:11 GMT -5
The delta variant is going to change the numbers in the above chart. Hospitalizations and deaths will remain low but symptomatic infections are clearly up among those fully vaccinated. Already is And most people who get symptoms that were vaccinated were over it quickly with only a day or 2 of discomfort This is where I find the comments about this as strange.. So a person starts to feel discomfort but by day 2 they are feeling better so WHY would they get tested for covid again? How can there be any accurate information when people aren't getting tested every other day? How many of the low symptom people got sick during the 1st wave of shutdowns but never got tested due to the lack of tests or them not needing a hospital?? For all I know myself and the family had it sometime early last year but it never was severe enough to get a test.. My parents only got tested due to some friends pressuring them since they felt like they had a common cold so they decided to do it to "prove" them wrong but surprisingly got a positive result..
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Post by IrishMike on Jul 28, 2021 15:56:46 GMT -5
Interesting you mention the delta variant and the Israel cases. I was just reading a report from England. The vaccine did almost no difference for hospitalizations and deaths from delta in those under 50. It made a huge differences in those over 50 though. This doesn't speak to how effective it is at preventing you from getting it at all though.
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Post by robl on Jul 28, 2021 17:12:17 GMT -5
Giants are taking this seriously:
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Post by Kruunch on Jul 28, 2021 17:54:00 GMT -5
Giants are taking this seriously: As they should. Last thing they need is an outbreak during camp.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 29, 2021 6:37:18 GMT -5
didnt mean it for the team I meant in general. Lots of cases of peeps getting Covid after being vaxed. The vaccines were never going to be 100% . That was said from the start. As we are seeing vaccinated people can still get the Delta variant but it's effects are not as bad if you have been vaccinate many are even asymptomatic .It's the unvaccinated who are getting hit hard. I get that. Its a vaccine not a cure
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Post by GameTime on Jul 29, 2021 6:39:43 GMT -5
if this Delta Variant spreads like they say this season will be like last. Postponements and other assorted curve balls Every time it mutates, it becomes more contagious It is evolving in the wrong direction. It keeps getting better at what it does . At some point it may become more deadly. Why if people get vaccinated there will be less hosts for it to be able to mutate. I am vaxed and hope that helps the overall situation as well as helping my family and myself.
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Post by TEM on Jul 29, 2021 6:50:18 GMT -5
Every time it mutates, it becomes more contagious It is evolving in the wrong direction. It keeps getting better at what it does . At some point it may become more deadly. Why if people get vaccinated there will be less hosts for it to be able to mutate. I am vaxed and hope that helps the overall situation as well as helping my family and myself. Everyone that is vaccinated is doing that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 15:28:15 GMT -5
this ****ing virus is such a cluster ****.... go the **** away already!!!!!!!! What’s making it a cluster **** is the elected officials are involved. Which is 100% that they shouldn’t be. The only people who are qualified to make these decisions are educated medical staff…primarily the doctors. All of which have been silenced on social media and television if they are not going along with the elected officials narrative. This should not be and it’s the people’s fault. We should not have allowed this. People stormed the capital and wasted precious time over one idiot when in reality given something way more serious a case such as this, people remain silent and scared. But I guess it’s a case of “They can’t arrest all of us….” But I bet you they can arrest you and me.
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Post by GameTime on Jul 29, 2021 15:36:15 GMT -5
this ****ing virus is such a cluster ****.... go the **** away already!!!!!!!! What’s making it a cluster **** is the elected officials are involved. Which is 100% that they shouldn’t be. The only people who are qualified to make these decisions are educated medical staff…primarily the doctors. All of which have been silenced on social media and television if they are not going along with the elected officials narrative. This should not be and it’s the people’s fault. We should not have allowed this. People stormed the capital and wasted precious time over one idiot when in reality given something way more serious a case such as this, people remain silent and scared. But I guess it’s a case of “They can’t arrest all of us….” But I bet you they can arrest you and me. I have heard it all though. Cant trust politicians ( of course) Cant trust doctors Cant trust the CDC Cant trust the media Cant trust World Health Org Cant trust big Pharma Cant trust local officials Cant trust.....fill in the blank.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 15:51:02 GMT -5
What’s making it a cluster **** is the elected officials are involved. Which is 100% that they shouldn’t be. The only people who are qualified to make these decisions are educated medical staff…primarily the doctors. All of which have been silenced on social media and television if they are not going along with the elected officials narrative. This should not be and it’s the people’s fault. We should not have allowed this. People stormed the capital and wasted precious time over one idiot when in reality given something way more serious a case such as this, people remain silent and scared. But I guess it’s a case of “They can’t arrest all of us….” But I bet you they can arrest you and me. I have heard it all though. Cant trust politicians ( of course) Cant trust doctors Cant trust the CDC Cant trust the media Cant trust World Health Org Cant trust big Pharma Cant trust local officials Cant trust.....fill in the blank. There are doctors on both sides of the fence…but you aren’t ALLOWED to hear everyone’s scientific findings. Because the politicians have silenced them. Mark my words there is going to be countless lawsuits after all is said and done. The other doctors are afraid of losing their licenses because powerful people will pull them. They are afraid that the other doctors who do go along with the politicians will shun them from the rest of the medical community. The nursing union is causing trouble with this as well. All we need is mothers to start getting pissed enough to yank their kids from school and file lawsuits against the board of education. That might get some things on a roll. But if you ask me…we need to be kicking in the doors of the Gold Dome here like they did in Washington. But what the Hell? Where’s all the loudmouths at now when we need them?
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Post by GameTime on Jul 29, 2021 16:00:37 GMT -5
I have heard it all though. Cant trust politicians ( of course) Cant trust doctors Cant trust the CDC Cant trust the media Cant trust World Health Org Cant trust big Pharma Cant trust local officials Cant trust.....fill in the blank. There are doctors on both sides of the fence…but you aren’t ALLOWED to hear everyone’s scientific findings. Because the politicians have silenced them. Mark my words there is going to be countless lawsuits after all is said and done. The other doctors are afraid of losing their licenses because powerful people will pull them. They are afraid that the other doctors who do go along with the politicians will shun them from the rest of the medical community. The nursing union is causing trouble with this as well. All we need is mothers to start getting pissed enough to yank their kids from school and file lawsuits against the board of education. That might get some things on a roll. But if you ask me…we need to be kicking in the doors of the Gold Dome here like they did in Washington. But what the Hell? Where’s all the loudmouths at now when we need them? While its already 18 months old its still an unprecedented situation. They are giving the States, Towns, districts some latitude which is good but creates all kinds of contrary info, results and data. If the Give would come down with Fed guidelines for every detail then the idiots who think they are the countries militia would def start a civil war. We are/were kinda close to that anyway. What I have come to find out is that they majority of people are selfish pricks and only really care about there own little bubble. People just dont give a **** enough about their neighbor. As far as storming places to get a positive reaction I think those days are over. Too many people in this country, too many politicians, too many extremist assholes on both sides of the aisle. Add hundreds of thousands of ignorant headline reading douche bags and its no wonder we are we are as a Nation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2021 16:21:33 GMT -5
There are doctors on both sides of the fence…but you aren’t ALLOWED to hear everyone’s scientific findings. Because the politicians have silenced them. Mark my words there is going to be countless lawsuits after all is said and done. The other doctors are afraid of losing their licenses because powerful people will pull them. They are afraid that the other doctors who do go along with the politicians will shun them from the rest of the medical community. The nursing union is causing trouble with this as well. All we need is mothers to start getting pissed enough to yank their kids from school and file lawsuits against the board of education. That might get some things on a roll. But if you ask me…we need to be kicking in the doors of the Gold Dome here like they did in Washington. But what the Hell? Where’s all the loudmouths at now when we need them? While its already 18 months old its still an unprecedented situation. They are giving the States, Towns, districts some latitude which is good but creates all kinds of contrary info, results and data. If the Give would come down with Fed guidelines for every detail then the idiots who think they are the countries militia would def start a civil war. We are/were kinda close to that anyway. What I have come to find out is that they majority of people are selfish pricks and only really care about there own little bubble. People just dont give a **** enough about their neighbor. As far as storming places to get a positive reaction I think those days are over. Too many people in this country, too many politicians, too many extremist assholes on both sides of the aisle. Add hundreds of thousands of ignorant headline reading douche bags and its no wonder we are we are as a Nation. People think I don’t love my country but I really do. I wouldn’t have joined the service when I was 17 if I didn’t feel a certain way. I have lived in other countries and have had to follow their rules. We DO have the greatest country. But our elected leaders….gentlemen, please. We have to do something because we are being deceived. Don’t hate your country, hate the people that are running it! Trust me…it is wrong for ANY unqualified elected official to have ANY say in your healthcare. And yes that includes the laymen running the HMOs in Congress. As far as everyday people go, you can have a jackass prop his feet up on Nancy Pelosi’s desk in front of a camera acting a total fool, but we won’t stand up for this?! This is not worth a risk? I don’t hate my country but I am angry and I feel it has failed.
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Post by nick030567 on Jul 29, 2021 16:22:58 GMT -5
didnt mean it for the team I meant in general. Lots of cases of peeps getting Covid after being vaxed. Nah I heard that's impossible on the news! They're never wrong about anything, eveR
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Post by GameTime on Jul 30, 2021 9:14:49 GMT -5
While its already 18 months old its still an unprecedented situation. They are giving the States, Towns, districts some latitude which is good but creates all kinds of contrary info, results and data. If the Give would come down with Fed guidelines for every detail then the idiots who think they are the countries militia would def start a civil war. We are/were kinda close to that anyway. What I have come to find out is that they majority of people are selfish pricks and only really care about there own little bubble. People just dont give a **** enough about their neighbor. As far as storming places to get a positive reaction I think those days are over. Too many people in this country, too many politicians, too many extremist assholes on both sides of the aisle. Add hundreds of thousands of ignorant headline reading douche bags and its no wonder we are we are as a Nation. People think I don’t love my country but I really do. I wouldn’t have joined the service when I was 17 if I didn’t feel a certain way. I have lived in other countries and have had to follow their rules. We DO have the greatest country. But our elected leaders….gentlemen, please. We have to do something because we are being deceived. Don’t hate your country, hate the people that are running it! Trust me…it is wrong for ANY unqualified elected official to have ANY say in your healthcare. And yes that includes the laymen running the HMOs in Congress. As far as everyday people go, you can have a jackass prop his feet up on Nancy Pelosi’s desk in front of a camera acting a total fool, but we won’t stand up for this?! This is not worth a risk? I don’t hate my country but I am angry and I feel it has failed. Agreed and every one has their own perspective and what a Patriot of this country is or the proper way to love this country. I am moderate and have voted right and left depending on the candidate. This country is supposed to stand for equality for ALL and it practice it doesnt. Thats not the Constitution's fault its the people who run the gov. They prey on the delusional citizens who's view of equality is so skewed they can't even see how ****ed up they are.
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