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Post by TEM on Aug 12, 2021 6:55:50 GMT -5
Realisticaly how can he be, if he is not even doing sideline work? He has not trained since December 6th. It is not like the trainers are going to say he is good to go and he is going to be game ready. This situation is starting to feel like another J. T Thomas circumstance. Anyone concerned bout this? "Rudolph told me in June that “I won’t miss any football,” meaning he won’t miss any games this fall. But I’m beginning to wonder if he can make good on that promise coming off foot surgery in the spring. Rudolph worked on the side with trainers for a few days to start camp, but since he has disappeared into the facility. The only day he came outside was Monday, when his family attended practice, and he stood with the offense looking more like a coach than a player. There is clearly a chance Rudolph won’t be ready for Week 1. If that’s so, it will be Engram and Smith handling the bulk of the work" www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-giants-jets-preseason-opener-roster-20210812-ggsrxt3xgvdo7lcxa5jhmzf56e-story.html |
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Post by GameTime on Aug 12, 2021 7:26:42 GMT -5
a few months ago when they talked about his injury I figured he'd be out for a while. Foot surgery on a 31 year old NFL TE equals months IMO.
Especially since it was something that didnt previously heal correctly.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2021 7:59:07 GMT -5
a few months ago when they talked about his injury I figured he'd be out for a while. Foot surgery on a 31 year old NFL TE equals months IMO. Especially since it was something that didnt previously heal correctly. My guess is week 2 or 3 for him, the Giants are trying to change the persona that they have fallen from quality organization to the bush league operation, they showed some class with Rudolph finding his issue and standing by their contract offer they didn't have to. Other free agents are seeing this and hearing the Ryans / Martinez's and Peppers / Leo say what a great place this is to play. it sucks for Rudolph but from a great place to play stand point it will help for the future. Winning is all thats left to finish the make over. |
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Post by GameTime on Aug 12, 2021 8:09:27 GMT -5
a few months ago when they talked about his injury I figured he'd be out for a while. Foot surgery on a 31 year old NFL TE equals months IMO. Especially since it was something that didnt previously heal correctly. My guess is week 2 or 3 for him, the Giants are trying to change the persona that they have fallen from quality organization to the bush league operation, they showed some class with Rudolph finding his issue and standing by their contract offer they didn't have to. Other free agents are seeing this and hearing the Ryans / Martinez's and Peppers / Leo say what a great place this is to play. it sucks for Rudolph but from a great place to play stand point it will help for the future. Winning is all thats left to finish the make over. the final piece of this jig saw puzzle!! |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 12, 2021 8:26:20 GMT -5
I don't understand the value some of you are putting on him. He was clearly in decline the past couple of years. I dont see more than a few red zone targets and a couple more catches this year from him.
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 12, 2021 8:36:11 GMT -5
I don't understand the value some of you are putting on him. He was clearly in decline the past couple of years. I dont see more than a few red zone targets and a couple more catches this year from him. I was anticipating better blocking from the position, now that's another concern on top of what's going on with the O-line. |
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Post by GameTime on Aug 12, 2021 8:38:52 GMT -5
I don't understand the value some of you are putting on him. He was clearly in decline the past couple of years. I dont see more than a few red zone targets and a couple more catches this year from him. end of the OL stabilization.... a main responsibility for many TEs |
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Post by Nite on Aug 12, 2021 8:39:38 GMT -5
Signing a free agent that needed surgery..
Yeah why not.. Who need cap space anyways... That GM what a smart cookie he is..
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Post by Jomo on Aug 12, 2021 8:47:00 GMT -5
Someone else can get the blocking job done and Engram will get less looks because of our WR upgrades.
Not terrible concerned, though I always hate a GM burning cash without payback.
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 12, 2021 8:51:16 GMT -5
I don't understand the value some of you are putting on him. He was clearly in decline the past couple of years. I dont see more than a few red zone targets and a couple more catches this year from him. end of the OL stabilization.... a main responsibility for many TEs That's why getting Bavaro in the '85 draft was the last piece to the puzz;e and helped to solidify the best OLine the Giants have ever had. Same is true today if you want a solid run game. |
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 12, 2021 8:54:30 GMT -5
Signing a free agent that needed surgery.. Yeah why not.. Who need cap space anyways... That GM what a smart cookie he is.. I believe we found out about the need for surgery right after he signed, and we decided to uphold the contract, despite not being made aware of it. |
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Post by wtfjjk on Aug 12, 2021 9:19:10 GMT -5
Signing a free agent that needed surgery.. Yeah why not.. Who need cap space anyways... That GM what a smart cookie he is.. I believe we found out about the need for surgery right after he signed, and we decided to uphold the contract, despite not being made aware of it. That's mind boggling to me. |
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Post by Nite on Aug 12, 2021 9:27:49 GMT -5
Signing a free agent that needed surgery.. Yeah why not.. Who need cap space anyways... That GM what a smart cookie he is.. I believe we found out about the need for surgery right after he signed, and we decided to uphold the contract, despite not being made aware of it. Yeah the contract could have been voided at that time..Or redone. Curious about not knowing someone needing surgery before signing we do have Docs right? |
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 12, 2021 9:31:03 GMT -5
I don't understand the value some of you are putting on him. He was clearly in decline the past couple of years. I dont see more than a few red zone targets and a couple more catches this year from him. I was anticipating better blocking from the position, now that's another concern on top of what's going on with the O-line. True |
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 12, 2021 9:57:27 GMT -5
I believe we found out about the need for surgery right after he signed, and we decided to uphold the contract, despite not being made aware of it. Yeah the contract could have been voided at that time..Or redone. Curious about not knowing someone needing surgery before signing we do have Docs right? I thought the same thing at the time.... didn't we give him a thorough physical? |
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 12, 2021 10:01:02 GMT -5
I believe we found out about the need for surgery right after he signed, and we decided to uphold the contract, despite not being made aware of it. That's mind boggling to me. Yeah... I wondered at the time why we didn't know. Didn't give him a physical? So, bad on us for the oversight, so we'll uphold the contract? Everyone painted us a good guys for upholding it, but we were likely negligent for not being aware before the signing. |
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Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2021 10:05:36 GMT -5
Signing a free agent that needed surgery.. Yeah why not.. Who need cap space anyways... That GM what a smart cookie he is.. I believe we found out about the need for surgery right after he signed, and we decided to uphold the contract, despite not being made aware of it. The Giants knew he needed surgery when he came in for his physical. |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Aug 12, 2021 10:07:37 GMT -5
I don't understand the value some of you are putting on him. He was clearly in decline the past couple of years. I dont see more than a few red zone targets and a couple more catches this year from him. I also think many fans over emphasized his value and potential production. This guy does a lot of good things for a TE. I always thought his biggest contribution was blocking. But he is a red zone target and a move the chains route runner. Really a proto type TE. I agree with you he was declining but he would still be a boost for us. Just his experience should be a plus. But your absolutely right about him declining as he gets older. So do most players not named Tom Brady. But his injurys are mounting up and I don't think he was thought to be a main clog in this offense. I agree again with you that he is a piece inserted in certain situations. His blocking will be missed as long as he is out. We should really miss him when were deep in the red zone. Not only his blocking in the 12 formation but he is a big target as well. |
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 12, 2021 10:59:02 GMT -5
I believe we found out about the need for surgery right after he signed, and we decided to uphold the contract, despite not being made aware of it. The Giants knew he needed surgery when he came in for his physical. Thanx, Mike... I wasn't aware that they knew. So then, they were good guys. |
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Post by Zimonami on Aug 12, 2021 11:01:01 GMT -5
I don't understand the value some of you are putting on him. He was clearly in decline the past couple of years. I dont see more than a few red zone targets and a couple more catches this year from him. I also think many fans over emphasized his value and potential production. This guy does a lot of good things for a TE. I always thought his biggest contribution was blocking. But he is a red zone target and a move the chains route runner. Really a proto type TE. I agree with you he was declining but he would still be a boost for us. Just his experience should be a plus. But your absolutely right about him declining as he gets older. So do most players not named Tom Brady. But his injurys are mounting up and I don't think he was thought to be a main clog in this offense. I agree again with you that he is a piece inserted in certain situations. His blocking will be missed as long as he is out. We should really miss him when were deep in the red zone. Not only his blocking in the 12 formation but he is a big target as well. Or, George Blanda. lol. Tom still has a ways to go to catch old George. |
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Post by McCherry on Aug 12, 2021 11:13:36 GMT -5
The Giants knew he needed surgery when he came in for his physical. Thanx, Mike... I wasn't aware that they knew. So then, they were good guys. I didn't understand this signing considering the contract and injury. |
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Post by IrishMike on Aug 12, 2021 13:17:21 GMT -5
I don't understand the value some of you are putting on him. He was clearly in decline the past couple of years. I dont see more than a few red zone targets and a couple more catches this year from him. I disagree about his clear decline. Last year with the injury I can see. Before that he caught as many TDs and first downs as usual for him, less yards. Anything before that though he was as good as ever. If 2019 Rudolph shows up, blocks well and catches ~400 yards and 6 TDs I'd be happy as hell. Our TE caught 1 TD last year.
I think he will be treated like an old TE though. Block and go catch FD and TDs.
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Post by jimmieray on Aug 12, 2021 13:26:30 GMT -5
I don't understand the value some of you are putting on him. He was clearly in decline the past couple of years. I dont see more than a few red zone targets and a couple more catches this year from him. I disagree about his clear decline. Last year with the injury I can see. Before that he caught as many TDs and first downs as usual for him, less yards. Anything before that though he was as good as ever. If 2019 Rudolph shows up, blocks well and catches ~400 yards and 6 TDs I'd be happy as hell. Our TE caught 1 TD last year.
I think he will be treated like an old TE though. Block and go catch FD and TDs.
From what I read, the Vikings had plenty of other receiving options, and asked him to work on his role to be more of a blocking TE. Apparently he did that without question, and actually relished it. For someone who held offensive team records, this is a team first trait that you can appreciate. I prefer the traditional TE that blocks consistently well, then slips out unaccounted for when you need that FD or TD. Those are the back breakers for opposing teams. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2021 14:17:46 GMT -5
My guess is week 2 or 3 for him, the Giants are trying to change the persona that they have fallen from quality organization to the bush league operation, they showed some class with Rudolph finding his issue and standing by their contract offer they didn't have to. Other free agents are seeing this and hearing the Ryans / Martinez's and Peppers / Leo say what a great place this is to play. it sucks for Rudolph but from a great place to play stand point it will help for the future. Winning is all thats left to finish the make over. the final piece of this jig saw puzzle!! Fingers crossed they get that last piece in place. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2021 14:20:24 GMT -5
I don't understand the value some of you are putting on him. He was clearly in decline the past couple of years. I dont see more than a few red zone targets and a couple more catches this year from him. I think is value will be as a complimentary piece help the run game and convert some first downs and give them an option in the red zone, He is needed more now with Tiololo going down. |
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Post by GameTime on Aug 12, 2021 14:22:49 GMT -5
the final piece of this jig saw puzzle!! Fingers crossed they get that last piece in place. I have agonized over the OL, is Jones going to be the guy, preseason injuries, etc. **** it.....let it all pan out. Its cathartic to complain and that's cool but I just want to get to the first real game go from there. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Aug 12, 2021 14:49:46 GMT -5
Fingers crossed they get that last piece in place. I have agonized over the OL, is Jones going to be the guy, preseason injuries, etc. **** it.....let it all pan out. Its cathartic to complain and that's cool but I just want to get to the first real game go from there. Exactly I always say no matter how much we worry about anything in life it's not gonna change the way things go so let get to it and see where we are. |
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Post by Jomo on Aug 12, 2021 15:05:15 GMT -5
If a TE can't block, he needs to be a WR.
This "matchup nightmare" crap is peddled by agents whose clients aren't elusive enough to be WR.
TEs must block and the better they block, the better the running game will be.
Catching is a plus, not a pre-requisite.
We have guys other than Rudolf who can block like a real TE.
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Post by te88 on Aug 12, 2021 16:26:11 GMT -5
Can’t say I’m expecting much. He will battle this week to week for the rest of his career. Could be a total non-factor
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