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Post by Jomo on Sept 18, 2018 10:59:02 GMT -5
QBs don't lift bad teams. We need to get back to mediocre before thinking 1st round QB.
All the pre-season hype was just that hype.
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Post by jmike on Sept 18, 2018 11:01:21 GMT -5
Draft a long snapper, Zak is starting to slip a bit.
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Post by KingCap88 on Sept 18, 2018 12:18:27 GMT -5
The only way the Giants can justify not drafting a QB if they have a Top 5 pick again is if they bench Eli at some point and Lauletta proves that he has the making of a future franchise QB. Since that's unlikely, they need to draft a QB.
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Post by jmike on Sept 18, 2018 12:48:15 GMT -5
The only way the Giants can justify not drafting a QB if they have a Top 5 pick again is if they bench Eli at some point and Lauletta proves that he has the making of a future franchise QB. Since that's unlikely, they need to draft a QB. Or, all the QBs available are garbage.
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Post by coughlinscorner on Sept 18, 2018 13:46:32 GMT -5
Draft a long snapper, Zak is starting to slip a bit. Only if he will be wearing a HOF jacket and his hands have been touched by God.
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Post by PennState1 on Sept 18, 2018 14:41:54 GMT -5
OL, OL, OL until it’s fixed, then go get a QB
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Post by SG88 on Sept 18, 2018 15:15:30 GMT -5
I would take Nick Bosa in a heartbeat.
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Post by jmike on Sept 18, 2018 15:24:06 GMT -5
I would take Nick Bosa in a heartbeat. Not a good idea, he'd likely cause a blockage.
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Post by KingCap88 on Sept 18, 2018 16:42:57 GMT -5
The only way the Giants can justify not drafting a QB if they have a Top 5 pick again is if they bench Eli at some point and Lauletta proves that he has the making of a future franchise QB. Since that's unlikely, they need to draft a QB. Or, all the QBs available are garbage. And there were plenty of Giants fans claiming that the Giants shouldn't draft any of the QBs in the 2018 draft because they were all 'garbage'. Drafting a QB, especially in the first-round, is always a crapshoot. But I'm at the point where I'd rather see the Giants take the risk with a rookie QB instead of bringing in a continual rotation of HCs and OCs because they're holding out hope that Eli will lead them to another SB. Eli is by no means the problem, but he's part of the problem along with an OL that's still in rebuild mode.
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Post by Kase1 on Sept 18, 2018 16:51:04 GMT -5
OK, I know im gonna get crucified but i would make a move for Tyrod Taylor. Apparently Baker is gonna start soon, possibly this week, and Tyrod isnt a bad QB. This would allow us to sit our rookie QB for a season to get him up to speed while we fix our OL.
That being said, id be OK with A QB or OL in the 1st. While that guy Oliver looks nasty, spending a 1st round pick on a 3-4 DE may not be the best call with the current team we have now
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Post by shocknaweny on Sept 18, 2018 17:14:14 GMT -5
I don’t like the QBs coming out at all. Will watch as season progresses definitely something to watch. Also the teams in the WB market that # has dwindled. Browns, Jets, Cardinals, Bills have all addressed QB so even if we pick 3-4-5 there is a chance the top QB is still available. Bills look like a 1-15 or 0-16 team they won’t take a QB. After them I think it’s between us, Bears, Raiders to be in that 2-4 window.
The Bears wont give up on Mitch Trubisky already he was the 2nd overall pick ( they traded up for ) not even 2 full years ago lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2018 17:47:14 GMT -5
Is there a must not miss QB in the 2019 draft class?
If there is, then that is the player this team should take first overall even when you look at the other talent available. Sooner or later this team is going to need to find Eli's successor. This year we decided to pass on taking a QB high in the draft and picked a running back because we are in "win now" mode. However, if we end up with back to back high end picks that proves that we are not anywhere near good enough to "win now" and we should draft the next QB. Now that's not to say we throw Eli to the curb. I would have no issue with Eli playing out the final year of his contract while the coaching staff develop the new QB away from the field like the Chiefs have done with Mahomes or the Packers did with Rodgers (etc).
What if next year's QB class features Blake Bortles like prospects?
If this is the case then it is very hard to justify taking a QB that high because a QB of that caliber is not someone you ideally want to lead your franchise for the next decade. Now that might seem a bit harsh considering Bortles is coming off a 4 TD and 111 QB rated performance against the Patriots, but what did he do the previous week? 1 TD, 1 INT, 54.5 PCT, 176 yards, and 67.2 QB rating. That's Blake Bortles in a nutshell. He'll look like a stud one week and a dud the next. So if the QB prospects high in the draft next year are compared to Bortles caliber prospects I would pass.
What makes it easier to pass on a QB like that in next year's draft is the other prospects available:
- Ed Oliver, DT, Houston - Derrick Brown, DT, Auburn - Nick Bosa, DE, Ohio State - Raekwon Davis DE, Alabama
At the end of the day if we could add any of those four defensive talents we would be getting a huge boost to our defense. I'd love to see Oliver or Bosa on our defense. All of them have a ton of potential and could become star defensive players.
Could we get a QB on day two?
This is a route worth consideration. The Raiders landed Mack in the first and Carr in the second. The Bengals got Dalton in the second round. And other teams picked QB later than that like the Seahawks and Russell Wilson, the Redskins and Kirk Cousins, and the Cowboys and Dak Prescott.
We might look at prospects like Clayton Thorson (Northwestern), Will Grier (West Virginia), Ryan Finley (NC State) or Brian Lewerke (Michigan State). Alternatively consider trading back into the first round if there is a first round graded QB prospect available late in the round. If we pick first overall we could pair our high second round pick with another pick to move back into the first round if we felt that strongly about someone.
There is always the possibility of looking to free agency or the trade markets as well but I don't see many appealing options at the minute.
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Post by bred22 on Sept 18, 2018 18:09:27 GMT -5
We draft O-line in rounds 1-5..
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Post by jmike on Sept 18, 2018 18:44:21 GMT -5
Or, all the QBs available are garbage. And there were plenty of Giants fans claiming that the Giants shouldn't draft any of the QBs in the 2018 draft because they were all 'garbage'. Drafting a QB, especially in the first-round, is always a crapshoot. But I'm at the point where I'd rather see the Giants take the risk with a rookie QB instead of bringing in a continual rotation of HCs and OCs because they're holding out hope that Eli will lead them to another SB. Eli is by no means the problem, but he's part of the problem along with an OL that's still in rebuild mode. Yep, worked out well when we went young for the sake of going young with Graham, then Brown, then Kanell, then back to Graham.
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Post by jmike on Sept 18, 2018 18:46:21 GMT -5
OK, I know im gonna get crucified but i would make a move for Tyrod Taylor. Apparently Baker is gonna start soon, possibly this week, and Tyrod isnt a bad QB. This would allow us to sit our rookie QB for a season to get him up to speed while we fix our OL. That being said, id be OK with A QB or OL in the 1st. While that guy Oliver looks nasty, spending a 1st round pick on a 3-4 DE may not be the best call with the current team we have now If Eli is let go in the off-season, Taylor would be a good guy to bring in while the Giants look for a young QB. Bringing him in now to replace Tanney would be good, but I don't see the urgency.
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Post by KingCap88 on Sept 18, 2018 19:03:28 GMT -5
And there were plenty of Giants fans claiming that the Giants shouldn't draft any of the QBs in the 2018 draft because they were all 'garbage'. Drafting a QB, especially in the first-round, is always a crapshoot. But I'm at the point where I'd rather see the Giants take the risk with a rookie QB instead of bringing in a continual rotation of HCs and OCs because they're holding out hope that Eli will lead them to another SB. Eli is by no means the problem, but he's part of the problem along with an OL that's still in rebuild mode. Yep, worked out well when we went young for the sake of going young with Graham, then Brown, then Kanell, then back to Graham. So, the Giants should just look for another aging vet QB as their next starter or just keep being 'ride or die' with Eli hoping for another SB run? NFL teams replenish their rosters every year with young players at various positions, including at QB. At the end of the day, Eli is closer to the end of his career than the beginning and he will be replaced by a younger QB sooner rather than later.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Sept 18, 2018 19:58:44 GMT -5
It's all right no matter who you said cause Buffalo is going to have the first pick anyway and they already have their QB. So if you vote trade back for them that's a winning move for them.
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Post by Miked1958 on Sept 19, 2018 23:57:44 GMT -5
What QBs are coming out?? Do they let Eli play out his contract and try and get Tua Tagliavoia in 2020?? We draft a guy based on 1 game? ONE HALF of one game...
OOOOOOK then....
What are we, the 2009 Jets?!
Here are some stats for Tua Tagliavoia. This year in 3 games. Remember he usually comes out in 2nd quarter. He's passed for 646 yards and 8TDS with 0 INTs. Most of those #s done in 1st quarter and they've outscored opponents 59-7 in that Quarter Most impressive is his stats on 3rd downs. He 13 for 13 for 298 yards and 6TDs.. Amazing
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Post by PennState1 on Sept 20, 2018 0:10:28 GMT -5
Trade back, pick up an additional first round pick in 2020. Draft passrusher, Tackle, Free Safety, or Center. Use the additional 2020 1st round pick to move up and grab Tua. I think the kid with development can be as good or better then Mariota. He's got the smarts and makes reads and can change the play in a split second and make a defense pay for a mistake. His movement in the pocket is just incredible to watch God, I hope he would be better than Mariota...he’s a bust! The problem with all these running QBs is they always get hurt and are out as much as they are in.
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Post by sanddc178 on Sept 20, 2018 0:42:46 GMT -5
Nick Bosa or trade back, just an early guess.
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Post by jmike on Sept 20, 2018 8:03:16 GMT -5
Yep, worked out well when we went young for the sake of going young with Graham, then Brown, then Kanell, then back to Graham. So, the Giants should just look for another aging vet QB as their next starter or just keep being 'ride or die' with Eli hoping for another SB run? NFL teams replenish their rosters every year with young players at various positions, including at QB. At the end of the day, Eli is closer to the end of his career than the beginning and he will be replaced by a younger QB sooner rather than later. Ummm...No. But they shouldn't just draft a QB for the sake of drafting a QB. They should draft a QB if they have conviction on that player being their franchise QB. They also shouldn't start a QB just because he is young with potential unless and until he is ready to play and earns the spot.
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Post by mikethenygfan on Sept 20, 2018 8:27:25 GMT -5
Trade back and grab a qb and a tackle!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 8:43:24 GMT -5
I say we draft another RB. Or, maybe a punter.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 8:47:48 GMT -5
No QB worth #1 pick...Right now, the #1 pick might be a DE Man, if we had only had a high pick in a quarterback-rich draft, we'd be sitting pretty right now. Wait...nevermind.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 9:01:52 GMT -5
"2019 Draft, we have the top pick, QB or generational left tackle?"
Lol.
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Post by wtfjjk on Sept 20, 2018 9:21:35 GMT -5
"2019 Draft, we have the top pick, QB or generational left tackle?" Lol. Haha. Caught that huh? He's going to be the JPP of left tackles.
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Post by BigBlue58 on Sept 20, 2018 9:30:17 GMT -5
For gods sake it’s week 3 of the 2018 season! I don’t even know what I’ll be doing in 2019
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Post by KingCap88 on Sept 20, 2018 10:10:18 GMT -5
So, the Giants should just look for another aging vet QB as their next starter or just keep being 'ride or die' with Eli hoping for another SB run? NFL teams replenish their rosters every year with young players at various positions, including at QB. At the end of the day, Eli is closer to the end of his career than the beginning and he will be replaced by a younger QB sooner rather than later. Ummm...No. But they shouldn't just draft a QB for the sake of drafting a QB. They should draft a QB if they have conviction on that player being their franchise QB. They also shouldn't start a QB just because he is young with potential unless and until he is ready to play and earns the spot. And I'm not saying that they should just draft a QB just for the sake of drafting a QB or drafting a QB just because he's younger. Every team in the NFL that has a QB over the age of 35 has to be thinking about finding their future franchise QB. They have to think about it even more when they aren't winning a lot of games with their current franchise QB. The Giants had no clear plans of grooming franchise QBs between Simms and Eli and they had a lot of misses during that time. So, it's probably better for the Giants to start putting a plan in place to find their next franchise QB while they still have one.
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Post by Miked1958 on Sept 20, 2018 10:10:29 GMT -5
I think the kid with development can be as good or better then Mariota. He's got the smarts and makes reads and can change the play in a split second and make a defense pay for a mistake. His movement in the pocket is just incredible to watch God, I hope he would be better than Mariota...he’s a bust! The problem with all these running QBs is they always get hurt and are out as much as they are in. Wouldn't consider Tua a running QB. Duel threat yes to get out of trouble when needed. But usually only when needed. He is a pass first be type QB. Always uses feet in and around pocket to buy himself time not to run but to find someone coming open Kid has amazing stats. One that I think was really great is this year on 3rd downs he is 13 out of 13 for 298 yards and 6Tds with no INTs
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2018 10:16:33 GMT -5
Ummm...No. But they shouldn't just draft a QB for the sake of drafting a QB. They should draft a QB if they have conviction on that player being their franchise QB. They also shouldn't start a QB just because he is young with potential unless and until he is ready to play and earns the spot. Every team in the NFL that has a QB over the age of 35 has to be thinking about finding their future franchise QB. They have to think about it even more when they aren't winning a lot of games with their current franchise QB. ...or - as in our case - ANY games.
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