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Post by TEM on Aug 25, 2021 5:43:34 GMT -5
This is not backyard football . The NFL is choreographed. If one individual isn't synchronized with the rest of the performers, the whole production collapses. Right, but it’s not rocket science either. He's a veteran, he's been studying the offense all summer. He’s not going to be an 80% snap guy, so there's no reason he couldn't jump right in and run some basic TE hook, curl, or slant routes. Rudolph without much practice is still better than any of the other TE's outside Engram. It'll be the same for Golloday, who's going to get a steep learning curve having had only one full practice. Once cleared, I don't expect either to be that effective right away, but these guys have to play. He does not know the players nuances or the system .The NFL is not plug and play. You have to know your assignments. The difference is Golladay has been working out with the team. The TE has 0 minuets of practice time on the field. It is not just go out there and block that guy. Or run around in the end zone and try to get open. One step is the difference between him looking for the ball and the ball being picked. Do you think he comes off the on a Monday and he suits up the following Sunday?
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 25, 2021 7:56:36 GMT -5
The Vikings had a different OC in each of those seasons plus he missed 4 games last season. So a new OC this season and potentially missing 4 games should help? I didn’t follow his career but I did see that his targets dropped considerably over the last 3 seasons. Now was that due in part to their systems and his missed time or has his playing skills diminished?
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Post by McCherry on Aug 25, 2021 9:20:54 GMT -5
Right, but it’s not rocket science either. He's a veteran, he's been studying the offense all summer. He’s not going to be an 80% snap guy, so there's no reason he couldn't jump right in and run some basic TE hook, curl, or slant routes. Rudolph without much practice is still better than any of the other TE's outside Engram. It'll be the same for Golloday, who's going to get a steep learning curve having had only one full practice. Once cleared, I don't expect either to be that effective right away, but these guys have to play. He does not know the players nuances or the system . The NFL is not plug and play. You have to know your assignments. The difference is Golladay has been working out with the team. The TE has 0 minuets of practice time on the field. It is not just go out there and block that guy. Or run around in the end zone and try to get open. One step is the difference between him looking for the ball and the ball being picked. Do you think he comes off the on a Monday and he suits up the following Sunday? Rudolph is. It's the reason we signed him knowing he’d miss most of camp. Every team runs the same variation of plays, just with different terminology. But a slant is a slant, a hook is a hook etc. and I guarantee he knows this playbook as well as anyone. The regular season doesn't begin for another in 18 days. If he's not in the huddle, it won't be because he doesn't know his assignments.
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Post by TEM on Aug 25, 2021 12:17:49 GMT -5
He does not know the players nuances or the system . The NFL is not plug and play. You have to know your assignments. The difference is Golladay has been working out with the team. The TE has 0 minuets of practice time on the field. It is not just go out there and block that guy. Or run around in the end zone and try to get open. One step is the difference between him looking for the ball and the ball being picked. Do you think he comes off the on a Monday and he suits up the following Sunday? Rudolph is. It's the reason we signed him knowing he’d miss most of camp. Every team runs the same variation of plays, just with different terminology. But a slant is a slant, a hook is a hook etc. and I guarantee he knows this playbook as well as anyone. The regular season doesn't begin for another in 18 days. If he's not in the huddle, it won't be because he doesn't know his assignments. He is still on the pup . No practice at all. I can see it now play is called for the other 10 on the field Kyle you just run around out there and try and get open. A slant is not a slant and a hook is not a hook. The QB throws to a spot. If the Route runner is to quick breaks quickly ( not enough steps before his break) or to slowly ( too many steps before his break) that ball will either be in-front or behind the ball catcher on a slant. It is the same thing on a hook . QB and ball catcher need to know the spot ( catch window) How do is that accomplished without practice? Blocking he is standing next to the OT . The OT's assignment is the DE. TE's assignment is the OLB But there is a stunt. DE goes to the B gap. On a stunt the OG takes the B gap and the OT takes the C gap . Corner comes, But Rudolph engages the OLB with the OT. Corner runs free to the QB or RB behind the line. That is what no practice and not being ready accomplishes.
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Post by Roswell on Aug 25, 2021 12:23:47 GMT -5
If Rudolph does nothing other than stop Engram from running stick routes that wind up as drops and ints, he'll be worth his weight in gold.
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Post by McCherry on Aug 25, 2021 12:41:34 GMT -5
Rudolph is. It's the reason we signed him knowing he’d miss most of camp. Every team runs the same variation of plays, just with different terminology. But a slant is a slant, a hook is a hook etc. and I guarantee he knows this playbook as well as anyone. The regular season doesn't begin for another in 18 days. If he's not in the huddle, it won't be because he doesn't know his assignments. He is still on the pup . No practice at all. I can see it now play is called for the other 10 on the field Kyle you just run around out there and try and get open. A slant is not a slant and a hook is not a hook. The QB throws to a spot. If the Route runner is to quick breaks quickly ( not enough steps before his break) or to slowly ( too many steps before his break) that ball will either be in-front or behind the ball catcher on a slant. It is the same thing on a hook . QB and ball catcher need to know the spot ( catch window) How do is that accomplished without practice? Blocking he is standing next to the OT . The OT's assignment is the DE. TE's assignment is the OLB But there is a stunt. DE goes to the B gap. On a stunt the OG takes the B gap and the OT takes the C gap . Corner comes, But Rudolph engages the OLB with the OT. Corner runs free to the QB or RB behind the line. That is what no practice and not being ready accomplishes. He is off the PUP today, and returning to practice. There is plenty of time to get him ready for opening day. This is his 11th season, there is nothing in the passing or blocking scheme he hasn't seen 100 times. If a TE misses a block, it won't be Rudolph.
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Post by TEM on Aug 25, 2021 12:46:01 GMT -5
He is still on the pup . No practice at all. I can see it now play is called for the other 10 on the field Kyle you just run around out there and try and get open. A slant is not a slant and a hook is not a hook. The QB throws to a spot. If the Route runner is to quick breaks quickly ( not enough steps before his break) or to slowly ( too many steps before his break) that ball will either be in-front or behind the ball catcher on a slant. It is the same thing on a hook . QB and ball catcher need to know the spot ( catch window) How do is that accomplished without practice? Blocking he is standing next to the OT . The OT's assignment is the DE. TE's assignment is the OLB But there is a stunt. DE goes to the B gap. On a stunt the OG takes the B gap and the OT takes the C gap . Corner comes, But Rudolph engages the OLB with the OT. Corner runs free to the QB or RB behind the line. That is what no practice and not being ready accomplishes. He is off the PUP today, his return to the lineup will depend entirely on how fast he is physically able to. This is his 11th season, there is nothing in the passing or blocking scheme he hasn't seen 100 times. If a TE misses a block, it won't be Rudolph. I disagree all play books are choreographed differently. Why timing between the QB and ball catcher is critical. So are blocking assignments. I will say it again . It ain't backyard football. What pisses me off about him. Why didn't he get the surgery in December? He had to have know something was wrong. That leads to 2 possibilities He did not care he had a foot problem or he is a moron . This screams old FA wanting one more pay check . IMO: He is not ready by week 2 , Cut him . Give someone who cares if he plays or not. I do not expect much out of him any way . I see him skating through the season . He has nothing to play for . This is most likely his last season. Why should he put it all on the line? He has no incentive to. Just as he had no motivation to get his foot taken care of until he was offered a contract. The way I see it. He is going to be just as disappointing as every other 30 something FA we singed. He has already started the road of disillusionment for the fan base with his no show at camp.
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Post by giants8493 on Aug 26, 2021 1:08:05 GMT -5
I didn’t follow his career but I did see that his targets dropped considerably over the last 3 seasons. Now was that due in part to their systems and his missed time or has his playing skills diminished? It was a rhetorical question. I don’t buy into the “he’s had multiple OCs” bit. Rudolph is a proven vet. The dude can play period. His drop in production has to be due to other factors which might include schemes that don’t target him as much. But I honestly don’t know much about the Viking’s schemes of yesteryear. Looking at his targets the past few years it has dropped. But his catch percentage and yards per target remained the same, relatively. www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RudoKy00.htmI think they were trying to get irv Smith more involved
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