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Post by jax5338 on Sept 12, 2021 22:38:59 GMT -5
…and it remained true today.
This offense plays first and second down to try to convert third downs. If they cannot convert third downs, which they have struggled mightily with the past few years, then it’s punt it away and try again next time.
The problem being the Giants no longer have any big/chunk plays. Stretch the field on first down. Throw some balls past the sticks once in a while.
Jones threw one ball downfield early today before garbage time and it was a dime to Slayton for about 30-40 yards.
This tentative approach isn’t working. Sometimes I really miss Kevin Gilbride. At least for every shotgun draw he threw in a few deep posts and go routes.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 12, 2021 22:44:38 GMT -5
Last year they did this because they had really no deep threats...
So they aquire a legit vertical big play threat like Goliday,pay him 70 million
Spend a 1st round pick on a dynamic playmaker that is a threat every time he touches the ball.
So their OC can run all the vertical concepts he couldn't last year
To run the same exact goober style offense we saw last year.
I see one constant
Let's see if we see something different on Thursday because if I do I have a bad feeling we know what the problem is ane it has to be remedied over the 10 days between games
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Post by McCherry on Sept 12, 2021 22:50:37 GMT -5
I didn't see Jones throw to a completion to one open receiver today. Today's NFL is made to produce open receivers. It's impossible not get open receivers, but somehow the Giants can't produce one.
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Post by jax5338 on Sept 12, 2021 22:53:56 GMT -5
I didn't see Jones throw to a completion to one open receiver today. Today's NFL is made to produce open receivers. It's impossible not get open receivers, but somehow the Giants can't produce one. And I thought the protection was pretty good for the most part today. Can’t remember when but I saw Andrew Thomas level someone on a pass block. I say the same thing all the time about open receivers. Cooper Kupp had an easy walk in TD left wide open downfield earlier on SNF. When was the last time we saw that with the Giants? Can’t blow a coverage downfield if there’s no receivers downfield. |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 12, 2021 22:58:19 GMT -5
I didn't see Jones throw to a completion to one open receiver today. Today's NFL is made to produce open receivers. It's impossible not get open receivers, but somehow the Giants can't produce one. And I thought the protection was pretty good for the most part today. Can’t remember when but I saw Andrew Thomas level someone on a pass block. I say the same thing all the time about open receivers. Cooper Kupp had an easy walk in TD left wide open downfield earlier on SNF. When was the last time we saw that with the Giants? Can’t blow a coverage downfield if there’s no receivers downfield. I thought Shane Lemiuex looked good too. I didn't hear why he was taken out, but Bredeson played well also. I guess Thomas being sick wasn't an excuse. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 12, 2021 23:00:26 GMT -5
I didn't see Jones throw to a completion to one open receiver today. Today's NFL is made to produce open receivers. It's impossible not get open receivers, but somehow the Giants can't produce one. And I thought the protection was pretty good for the most part today. Can’t remember when but I saw Andrew Thomas level someone on a pass block. I say the same thing all the time about open receivers. Cooper Kupp had an easy walk in TD left wide open downfield earlier on SNF. When was the last time we saw that with the Giants? Can’t blow a coverage downfield if there’s no receivers downfield. I saw Rams recievers wide open all day I saw Bronco recievers wide open all day I saw receievers wide open all day this past Thursday night.. I saw Slayton on that early bomb wide open.. Shepard created seperation running option routes.... All I saw were tight windows...and very bland timing routes that were very easily defended |
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Post by jax5338 on Sept 12, 2021 23:06:05 GMT -5
And I thought the protection was pretty good for the most part today. Can’t remember when but I saw Andrew Thomas level someone on a pass block. I say the same thing all the time about open receivers. Cooper Kupp had an easy walk in TD left wide open downfield earlier on SNF. When was the last time we saw that with the Giants? Can’t blow a coverage downfield if there’s no receivers downfield. I saw Rams recievers wide open all day I saw Bronco recievers wide open all day I saw receievers wide open all day this past Thursday night.. I saw Slayton on that early bomb wide open.. Shepard created seperation running option routes.... All I saw were tight windows...and very bland timing routes that were very easily defended My favorite are the third down routes designed for the TE where they go to the sticks or oftentimes not even far enough and everyone else just clears out to the flats or runs the same stop route. Jones keys on one person and either has to squeeze it in between a few defenders or it gets deflected and knocked down/picked. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 12, 2021 23:09:08 GMT -5
I saw Rams recievers wide open all day I saw Bronco recievers wide open all day I saw receievers wide open all day this past Thursday night.. I saw Slayton on that early bomb wide open.. Shepard created seperation running option routes.... All I saw were tight windows...and very bland timing routes that were very easily defended My favorite are the third down routes designed for the TE where they go to the sticks or oftentimes not even far enough and everyone else just clears out to the flats or runs the same stop route. Jones keys on one person and either has to squeeze it in between a few defenders or it gets deflected and knocked down/picked. This offense is stupid They aquire playmakers to open up the running game and don't bother to establish the passing game in a passing league where it's easy to stop the run when it's predictable and you don't frighten teams Denver had 7 guys in the 15 yard zone every play including 3rd down .. Hard to run and hard to run short passing .... |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 12, 2021 23:09:14 GMT -5
And I thought the protection was pretty good for the most part today. Can’t remember when but I saw Andrew Thomas level someone on a pass block. I say the same thing all the time about open receivers. Cooper Kupp had an easy walk in TD left wide open downfield earlier on SNF. When was the last time we saw that with the Giants? Can’t blow a coverage downfield if there’s no receivers downfield. I saw Rams recievers wide open all day I saw Bronco recievers wide open all day I saw receievers wide open all day this past Thursday night.. I saw Slayton on that early bomb wide open..
Shepard created seperation running option routes.... All I saw were tight windows...and very bland timing routes that were very easily defended He was actually well covered. It was a perfect throw. |
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Post by jax5338 on Sept 12, 2021 23:14:06 GMT -5
My favorite are the third down routes designed for the TE where they go to the sticks or oftentimes not even far enough and everyone else just clears out to the flats or runs the same stop route. Jones keys on one person and either has to squeeze it in between a few defenders or it gets deflected and knocked down/picked. This offense is stupid They aquire playmakers to open up the running game and don't bother to establish the passing game in a passing league where it's easy to stop the run when it's predictable and you don't frighten teams Denver had 7 guys in the 15 yard zone every play including 3rd down .. Hard to run and hard to run short passing .... Right. What did they draft Toney for? A few end arounds and 5-10 total snaps? |
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Post by jax5338 on Sept 12, 2021 23:14:56 GMT -5
I saw Rams recievers wide open all day I saw Bronco recievers wide open all day I saw receievers wide open all day this past Thursday night.. I saw Slayton on that early bomb wide open..
Shepard created seperation running option routes.... All I saw were tight windows...and very bland timing routes that were very easily defended He was actually well covered. It was a perfect throw. Perfect throw. An early glimmer of hope we’d see a good offense this year. Boy was I wrong. |
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Post by mj312 on Sept 12, 2021 23:15:54 GMT -5
I didn't see Jones throw to a completion to one open receiver today. Today's NFL is made to produce open receivers. It's impossible not get open receivers, but somehow the Giants can't produce one. It really is insane how everything the giants do offensively looks so damn hard. They very rarely have guys open and when they do catch a pass they are immediately tackled by the whole defense.. this has been going on for years. Interesting enough , opposing offenses move the ball against us like we are playing with 3 defenders and our guys are counting 10 Mississippi before rushing the passer. |
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Post by jax5338 on Sept 12, 2021 23:23:16 GMT -5
I didn't see Jones throw to a completion to one open receiver today. Today's NFL is made to produce open receivers. It's impossible not get open receivers, but somehow the Giants can't produce one. It really is insane how everything the giants do offensively looks so damn hard. They very rarely have guys open and when they do catch a pass they are immediately tackled by the whole defense.. this has been going on for years. Interesting enough , opposing offenses move the ball against us like we are playing with 3 defenders and our guys are counting 10 Mississippi before rushing the passer. I’ve always maintained that they also fall down unprovoked more than any other team. The Jones run last year being the most egregious example. |
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Sept 12, 2021 23:47:55 GMT -5
You know it felt ominous early to me. That draw on 2nd and 16 on the first drive was another give up play. Huge play, easily read jet sweep, draw, sack. Sure looked like the same old shit to me.
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Post by southerner on Sept 13, 2021 3:53:00 GMT -5
…and it remained true today. This offense plays first and second down to try to convert third downs. If they cannot convert third downs, which they have struggled mightily with the past few years, then it’s punt it away and try again next time. The problem being the Giants no longer have any big/chunk plays. Stretch the field on first down. Throw some balls past the sticks once in a while. Jones threw one ball downfield early today before garbage time and it was a dime to Slayton for about 30-40 yards. This tentative approach isn’t working. Sometimes I really miss Kevin Gilbride. At least for every shotgun draw he threw in a few deep posts and go routes. It is hard to have big chunk plays when you don’t have an offensive line or a QB. |
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Post by southerner on Sept 13, 2021 3:54:38 GMT -5
You know it felt ominous early to me. That draw on 2nd and 16 on the first drive was another give up play. Huge play, easily read jet sweep, draw, sack. Sure looked like the same old shit to me. Yeah, that was a surrender and I thought the same thing. I didn’t expect them to get the first down, but they didn’t even try to….just another reason why Garrett should be fired as OC. |
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Post by jax5338 on Sept 13, 2021 7:50:28 GMT -5
You know it felt ominous early to me. That draw on 2nd and 16 on the first drive was another give up play. Huge play, easily read jet sweep, draw, sack. Sure looked like the same old shit to me. Yeah, that was a surrender and I thought the same thing. I didn’t expect them to get the first down, but they didn’t even try to….just another reason why Garrett should be fired as OC. They surrender every series that gets to 15+ yards. Killer. Any penalty or loss seems insurmountable and kills a drive. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 13, 2021 8:38:43 GMT -5
Yeah, that was a surrender and I thought the same thing. I didn’t expect them to get the first down, but they didn’t even try to….just another reason why Garrett should be fired as OC. They surrender every series that gets to 15+ yards. Killer. Any penalty or loss seems insurmountable and kills a drive. Because with what you brought up when you run an offense that is based on making 3rd and shorts every series it's insurmountable |
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 13, 2021 8:41:22 GMT -5
I didn't see Jones throw to a completion to one open receiver today. Today's NFL is made to produce open receivers. It's impossible not get open receivers, but somehow the Giants can't produce one. It was quite amazing. They almost always had wide open receivers and we almost never did. They found ways to gain yards on the ground and we couldn't. This all seems to point in one direction, no? The OC. |
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 13, 2021 8:43:29 GMT -5
You know it felt ominous early to me. That draw on 2nd and 16 on the first drive was another give up play. Huge play, easily read jet sweep, draw, sack. Sure looked like the same old shit to me. I couldn't believe that call. And this whole game was the same old shit. |
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Post by jax5338 on Sept 13, 2021 8:54:39 GMT -5
You know it felt ominous early to me. That draw on 2nd and 16 on the first drive was another give up play. Huge play, easily read jet sweep, draw, sack. Sure looked like the same old shit to me. I couldn't believe that call. And this whole game was the same old shit. I could believe that call. In fact I expected it. BECAUSE it’s the same old shit. |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 13, 2021 14:05:17 GMT -5
Last year they did this because they had really no deep threats... So they aquire a legit vertical big play threat like Goliday,pay him 70 million Spend a 1st round pick on a dynamic playmaker that is a threat every time he touches the ball. So their OC can run all the vertical concepts he couldn't last year To run the same exact goober style offense we saw last year. I see one constant Let's see if we see something different on Thursday because if I do I have a bad feeling we know what the problem is ane it has to be remedied over the 10 days between games a muthafreakin men.................. Something had better look much much different on thursday |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 13, 2021 14:20:57 GMT -5
I didn't see Jones throw to a completion to one open receiver today. Today's NFL is made to produce open receivers. It's impossible not get open receivers, but somehow the Giants can't produce one. It really is insane how everything the giants do offensively looks so damn hard. They very rarely have guys open and when they do catch a pass they are immediately tackled by the whole defense.. this has been going on for years. Interesting enough , opposing offenses move the ball against us like we are playing with 3 defenders and our guys are counting 10 Mississippi before rushing the passer. Man you ain't ever lie lol. I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice this BS and buffoonery. I mean I just don't get it; no matter who they change be it coaching or players it seems to be the constant. I guess we need to blame the one thing that doesn't change and that's Mara lol. Is he telling whoever comes in that " This will be the philosopy"...............  |
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Post by myronguyton29 on Sept 13, 2021 14:24:51 GMT -5
It really is insane how everything the giants do offensively looks so damn hard. They very rarely have guys open and when they do catch a pass they are immediately tackled by the whole defense.. this has been going on for years. Interesting enough , opposing offenses move the ball against us like we are playing with 3 defenders and our guys are counting 10 Mississippi before rushing the passer. I’ve always maintained that they also fall down unprovoked more than any other team. The Jones run last year being the most egregious example. This team has got to be cursed and snake bitten smdh |
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 13, 2021 14:26:54 GMT -5
It really is insane how everything the giants do offensively looks so damn hard. They very rarely have guys open and when they do catch a pass they are immediately tackled by the whole defense.. this has been going on for years. Interesting enough , opposing offenses move the ball against us like we are playing with 3 defenders and our guys are counting 10 Mississippi before rushing the passer. Man you ain't ever lie lol. I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice this BS and buffoonery. I mean I just don't get it; no matter who they change be it coaching or players it seems to be the constant. I guess we need to blame the one thing that doesn't change and that's Mara lol. Is he telling whoever comes in that " This will be the philosopy"............... Thus the Garrett conspiracy theory Mara is a goober He has very rich goober season ticled owners They want a goober style team to cater to these people stuck in the 70s It's the only thing I can come up with for why this offense is so behind the times |
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Post by jaymas on Sept 13, 2021 15:03:42 GMT -5
He was actually well covered. It was a perfect throw. Perfect throw. An early glimmer of hope we’d see a good offense this year. Boy was I wrong. I thought the same thing, got em to bite, free play, threw a great ball. Vertical route on the 2ndish play of the game. Said to myself "offense is gonna look different this year." |
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 13, 2021 15:12:49 GMT -5
I didn't see Jones throw to a completion to one open receiver today. Today's NFL is made to produce open receivers. It's impossible not get open receivers, but somehow the Giants can't produce one. It was quite amazing. They almost always had wide open receivers and we almost never did. They found ways to gain yards on the ground and we couldn't. This all seems to point in one direction, no? The OC.
Maybe Denver is going to be better than people thought?
Their offense looked pretty damn good with Teddy in there. They just wore our defense down.
Of course when Shurmur and Shula were running our offense, we never had an offense that looked anything like that.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 13, 2021 15:15:44 GMT -5
It was quite amazing. They almost always had wide open receivers and we almost never did. They found ways to gain yards on the ground and we couldn't. This all seems to point in one direction, no? The OC.
Maybe Denver is going to be better than people thought?
Their offense looked pretty damn good with Teddy in there. They just wore our defense down.
Of course when Shurmur and Shula were running our offense, we never had an offense that looked anything like that.
1.Shurmer has Sbula basicly forced on him because he couldn't get Stepnoski (look at what he did with Mayfield). 2.better playmakers overall 3.assenone secondary scheme on our part |
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Post by Roswell on Sept 13, 2021 15:17:55 GMT -5
It was quite amazing. They almost always had wide open receivers and we almost never did. They found ways to gain yards on the ground and we couldn't. This all seems to point in one direction, no? The OC.
Maybe Denver is going to be better than people thought?
Their offense looked pretty damn good with Teddy in there. They just wore our defense down.
Of course when Shurmur and Shula were running our offense, we never had an offense that looked anything like that.
This is very possible tho now that Jeudy got hurt it will be harder for them. But I thought Bridgewater played out of his skull yesterday. That, and the Giants once again forgot how to cover the TE. |
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Post by jax5338 on Sept 13, 2021 15:23:40 GMT -5
It was quite amazing. They almost always had wide open receivers and we almost never did. They found ways to gain yards on the ground and we couldn't. This all seems to point in one direction, no? The OC.
Maybe Denver is going to be better than people thought?
Their offense looked pretty damn good with Teddy in there. They just wore our defense down.
Of course when Shurmur and Shula were running our offense, we never had an offense that looked anything like that.
Teddy does nothing to wow anybody but he has been solid everywhere he’s went. Definitely not a QB to be taken lightly. As much of a dud of a HC Shurmur was, he’s a great coordinator. Just one of those guys that fits the OC/DC mild but isn’t cut out to be a head coach. |
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