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Post by bigbluebandit on Sept 15, 2021 17:26:05 GMT -5
In timing offenses this happens. Bobby Skinner breaks this down perfectly.
I had said in another thread I am pretty sure he is coached to do this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2021 17:44:16 GMT -5
You are getting too deep into football. Stop before you learn more!
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Post by bigbluebandit on Sept 15, 2021 17:45:28 GMT -5
Meanwhile later in the video...
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS OFFENSE AND GARRETTS CALLING OF IT
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Post by allnygin on Sept 15, 2021 17:47:06 GMT -5
Time to take the traning wheels off and change that, bc whatever they have Jones doing is not ****ing working.
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Post by idkaname on Sept 15, 2021 17:48:44 GMT -5
He also showed that
on plays w 2+ Routes over 15 yards Jones was 12/14 214 1 TD
On plays w 1 or less of these deep routes 10/23 53 yards …
Jones isn’t a west coast quarterback…IMO he would’ve thrived in Gilbrides offense
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 15, 2021 17:51:37 GMT -5
Time to take the traning wheels off and change that, bc whatever they have Jones doing is not ****ing working. try try again!!!  |
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Post by piddy283 on Sept 15, 2021 18:01:00 GMT -5
Safeties playing 20 yards off the LOS on that 2nd play I saw. Seems a bit excessive.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 15, 2021 18:48:39 GMT -5
That’s interesting because Jones was staring down receivers in college and with Shurmur. Garrett also allegedly “developed” Dak and Romo yet neither one of them had problems staring down receivers. So all of these coaches, including the “great” Cutliffe, all coached him to stare down receivers. Ooooooookay.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 15, 2021 20:12:54 GMT -5
He also showed that on plays w 2+ Routes over 15 yards Jones was 12/14 214 1 TD On plays w 1 or less of these deep routes 10/23 53 yards … Jones isn’t a west coast quarterback…IMO he would’ve thrived in Gilbrides offense This is not supposed to be a WCO It doesn't even look like the bad Mac version of the WCO |
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Post by TEM on Sept 15, 2021 20:30:17 GMT -5
He also showed that on plays w 2+ Routes over 15 yards Jones was 12/14 214 1 TD On plays w 1 or less of these deep routes 10/23 53 yards … Jones isn’t a west coast quarterback…IMO he would’ve thrived in Gilbrides offense This is not supposed to be a WCO It doesn't even look like the bad Mac version of the WCO I do not know what it is . If the the entire defense can play within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage . It is a task to move the ball. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 15, 2021 20:47:42 GMT -5
That’s interesting because Jones was staring down receivers in college and with Shurmur. Garrett also allegedly “developed” Dak and Romo yet neither one of them had problems staring down receivers. So all of these coaches, including the “great” Cutliffe, all coached him to stare down receivers. Ooooooookay. so many are trying to play surgeon in search of reason and meaning. My gosh, he’s one read or has made his mind up pre-snap. Hope tomorrow night is different. |
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Post by bigbluebandit on Sept 15, 2021 22:42:06 GMT -5
Well its a big part of what they are coaching him to do. Its part of the problem.
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 16, 2021 5:28:47 GMT -5
He also showed that on plays w 2+ Routes over 15 yards Jones was 12/14 214 1 TDOn plays w 1 or less of these deep routes 10/23 53 yards … Jones isn’t a west coast quarterback…IMO he would’ve thrived in Gilbrides offense Jones' strength is throwing the ball deep, not dinking and dunking. This is so obvious it is mind boggling. They stuff the box, we didn't force them not to. We lost. |
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 16, 2021 5:29:41 GMT -5
You are getting too deep into football. Stop before you learn more! He better stop before the "I don't care why things happen, stop explaining stuff to me, I just want to be angry" crowd gets wind of it. |
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 16, 2021 5:31:32 GMT -5
so many are trying to play surgeon in search of reason Yes people like to discuss football and part of that is discussing WHY things happen instead of just calling for the scorched earth campaign....again. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 5:41:09 GMT -5
You are getting too deep into football. Stop before you learn more! He really doesn't need to since he said he played HS football.. Just saying.. |
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Post by Rangers13 on Sept 16, 2021 8:15:16 GMT -5
so many are trying to play surgeon in search of reason Yes people like to discuss football and part of that is discussing WHY things happen instead of just calling for the scorched earth campaign....again. get lost and stop cherry picking sentences while ignoring the entire message. |
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Post by bigbluebandit on Sept 16, 2021 12:13:37 GMT -5
You are getting too deep into football. Stop before you learn more! He really doesn't need to since he said he played HS football.. Just saying.. Semi-Pro - at least if you are going to mock me satirically get the facts correct.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 13:01:05 GMT -5
He really doesn't need to since he said he played HS football.. Just saying.. Semi-Pro - at least if you are going to mock me satirically get the facts correct. Thanks for the clarity.. You did tell someone they respond like they never played HS football but now I know you're way more than that!! I was mocking Gunnerville since he actually wants our usernames to designate if the fan played football or not but if it also applies to you then I'll take it!! GO GIANTS!! |
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Post by bigbluebandit on Sept 16, 2021 13:10:20 GMT -5
Semi-Pro - at least if you are going to mock me satirically get the facts correct. Thanks for the clarity.. You did tell someone they respond like they never played HS football but now I know you're way more than that!! I was mocking Gunnerville since he actually wants our usernames to designate if the fan played football or not but if it also applies to you then I'll take it!! GO GIANTS!! If you've watched and can accurately analyze film and understand whats happening then it doesn't matter if you played or not. I have played with guys that don't know what to do with a players tendency without a coach to lay it out for them. I also have played with guys that are geniuses in finding the smallest tiniest advantages where they would otherwise not be able to see the field due to physical limitations. When the mind and body both line up.... you become a beast. Part of the reason Deion Sanders was so good... guy was a film junkie when it came to QBs and WR tendencies. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 16, 2021 13:18:51 GMT -5
Jones' performance is definitely part of the problem.
However:
-add in shitty play calling
-receivers that hardly ever seem open
-poor pass pro too often
-shitty run game
-poor coaching, game plan and play calling
How is this kid supposed to over come his own issues while he has to battle 5 other issues out of his control
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 16, 2021 13:43:24 GMT -5
Jones' performance is definitely part of the problem. However: -add in shitty play calling -receivers that hardly ever seem open -poor pass pro too often -shitty run game -poor coaching, game plan and play calling How is this kid supposed to over come his own issues while he has to battle 5 other issues out of his control And if this trend continues we will have one of 2 outcomes after week 17...both bad 1.Jones somehow shows just enough to get a 5th year option but is damaged to where his ceiling will never happen and we miss out on using draft capital for a potentially better replacement in 2022 and then stuck in 2023 having to mortgage the future to get a guy 2..We move on from him and we make another bad decision while he indeed shows the ceiling many of us see with another team in a good system |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 14:19:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the clarity.. You did tell someone they respond like they never played HS football but now I know you're way more than that!! I was mocking Gunnerville since he actually wants our usernames to designate if the fan played football or not but if it also applies to you then I'll take it!! GO GIANTS!! I have played with guys that don't know what to do with a players tendency without a coach to lay it out for them. I also have played with guys that are geniuses in finding the smallest tiniest advantages where they would otherwise not be able to see the field due to physical limitations. When the mind and body both line up.... you become a beast. Part of the reason Deion Sanders was so good... guy was a film junkie when it came to QBs and WR tendencies. We are in agreement.. It's nonsense to dismissed others opinions because they haven't put on pads but as I said previously they is a poster out here who has no problem declaring this for out here.. |
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 16, 2021 16:19:18 GMT -5
Yes people like to discuss football and part of that is discussing WHY things happen instead of just calling for the scorched earth campaign....again. get lost and stop cherry picking sentences while ignoring the entire message. Wasn't exactly much to quote man. He posted some videos about Jones you replied "he is one read". If I replied "he isn't one read" in addition to my comments would that have made a difference? I replied to that part of your post because you seem to have an issue with people discussing things.
I do agree with you, I hope tonight is different.
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 16, 2021 16:24:42 GMT -5
Well with the one caveat being: It’s welcomed discussion if the message aligns with agendas and the messenger isn’t vilified. It would be cool if people could discuss things without the other side attacking them. Let me know when either side does that lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2021 16:25:47 GMT -5
If you've watched and can accurately analyze film and understand whats happening then it doesn't matter if you played or not. I have played with guys that don't know what to do with a players tendency without a coach to lay it out for them. I also have played with guys that are geniuses in finding the smallest tiniest advantages where they would otherwise not be able to see the field due to physical limitations. When the mind and body both line up.... you become a beast. Part of the reason Deion Sanders was so good... guy was a film junkie when it came to QBs and WR tendencies. We are in agreement.. It's nonsense to dismissed others opinions because they haven't put on pads but as I said previously they is a poster out here who has no problem declaring this for out here..  extension downloader for instagram |
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Post by Nite on Sept 16, 2021 17:40:10 GMT -5
We are in agreement.. It's nonsense to dismissed others opinions because they haven't put on pads but as I said previously they is a poster out here who has no problem declaring this for out here.. Speaking of triggering... And what did mother superior really do..(did) |
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Post by lt56 on Sept 16, 2021 17:58:14 GMT -5
DJ needs to be allowed to throw the ball DOWN FIELD!
He throws a beautiful Deep ball as seen on that Play to Slayton. Let the man Air the damn ball out, if the Line can't give him enough time...the man is a Athlete, Roll Him Out! Plenty of teams around the NFL with Bad Lines too but that doesn't keep them from getting the ball down field.
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 16, 2021 19:03:54 GMT -5
Jones' performance is definitely part of the problem. However: -add in shitty play calling -receivers that hardly ever seem open -poor pass pro too often -shitty run game -poor coaching, game plan and play calling How is this kid supposed to over come his own issues while he has to battle 5 other issues out of his control The question I always ask myself with Jones (or any player really) is this. How much did he do wrong? In game one Jones didn't seem to do a lot wrong (the obvious fumble, staring down WRs on a few plays). Are the things he did wrong correctable with coaching? I think he got his butt chewed and slid from there on out, and his staring down WRs seems better than last year...but still not perfect. So is he improving his flaws? I personally think so. Is he where we want him? No yet.
When I approach it like that I can't see blaming him. Especially when you add in all the things you listed. They were talking today on the radio about how he simply is not the right fit for the system Garrett is trying to run. If this O doesn't straighten out I think Garrett is getting replaced with Kitchens or the LSU kid.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 16, 2021 19:18:45 GMT -5
He also showed that on plays w 2+ Routes over 15 yards Jones was 12/14 214 1 TD On plays w 1 or less of these deep routes 10/23 53 yards … Jones isn’t a west coast quarterback…IMO he would’ve thrived in Gilbrides offense Gilbrides offense needed a high football IQ QB and Receivers but QB first Jones would fit in it but I don't think our OL would gotta be bale to block em to get those vertical option routes going. |
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