southerner
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Post by southerner on Sept 17, 2021 14:44:02 GMT -5
I'm talking Ultra Charmin soft. They played so far off the ball at the most crucial times and Bradberry was getting his ass beat. I didn't hear Blake Martinez name not once. That was disappointing. No pressure up front, but our secondary was so iffy and spotty. 3 games at most with a defense playing like that. Now the Giants have to rebuild the defense……….again. Meanwhile, they never finished rebuilding the offense.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Sept 17, 2021 14:53:04 GMT -5
The gameplan last night was terrible. slants were a gift all night because of that cushion and the MLBs are too slow to drop into that lane in time. A QB in his 3rd career start carved up that defense. McLaurin is 6 foot !!! You need to body his ass! Smash your palms into his chest at the LOS Don't get me started on the pass rush Oh my God it sounds like you were sitting next to me during the game. Sorry I drank all the beer I didn't see you sitting there, me and my dog Bob also ate all the potato chips. Seriously I am so angry over this loss I still can't even talk about it without getting angry all over again. So many mistakes all over the field.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 14:59:06 GMT -5
I'm talking Ultra Charmin soft. They played so far off the ball at the most crucial times and Bradberry was getting his ass beat. I didn't hear Blake Martinez name not once. That was disappointing. No pressure up front, but our secondary was so iffy and spotty. 3 games at most with a defense playing like that. That drives me nuts.
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Post by Providence on Sept 17, 2021 15:18:15 GMT -5
How did you feel as a fan when we had Harry Carson on the defensive side of the ball? When we had LT? Strahan? Tuck?
You felt like your defense could make a stand because you could get after the passer. When you can get after the passer you can make stuff happen. And the DBs don't have to be all pros, you can get by with some decent folks. We have no pass rush. We have no one whom the QB fears. It kills me to see Chase Young on Washington's defensive line and not our own.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Sept 17, 2021 15:47:16 GMT -5
They were a good defense last year, not sure what happened. Maybe after being gassed the first game for not being able to get off the field plus a short week had something to do with it. They played soft against Denver too. Well....then maybe they're a bunch of ****ing pussies.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 17, 2021 16:01:55 GMT -5
When you have to kick 5 field goals, your offence left too many points on the field, and when your defense plays loose and can't get to the quarterback, it's disaster time. This is true but on the other hand Washington has one of the better defenses in the league and scoring 29 points isn't bad considering we knew the Giants offense would start off slow.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 17, 2021 16:03:16 GMT -5
I'm talking Ultra Charmin soft. They played so far off the ball at the most crucial times and Bradberry was getting his ass beat. I didn't hear Blake Martinez name not once. That was disappointing. No pressure up front, but our secondary was so iffy and spotty. 3 games at most with a defense playing like that. Now the Giants have to rebuild the defense……….again. Meanwhile, they never finished rebuilding the offense. Well, it should be easy for the next GM to draft when he can literally take the best player available at almost every position and it will be a position of need...
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 17, 2021 16:04:15 GMT -5
I hate when a defense goes super soft. It’s not like the word soft is enough, you have to add super to it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 19:16:07 GMT -5
Graham Defense will get better his Zone Coverage is not the issue it is the Lack of Pass Rush that makes coverage look bad also I notice they Drop Lorenzo Carter back in coverage A LOT while Ximinez is not improving at all. Ojulari has 2 sacks but needs to get better against the run. Need to get Cam Brown and Quincy Roche active and in the rotation and more Trent Harris Is Carter and Ximinez so damn slow that they can’t blitz? Because that’s what they should be doing.
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 17, 2021 19:35:07 GMT -5
Here is my opinion, just an opinion. Last year we had no LBs left and Graham had to scheme and use black magic to get a pass rush going. I think Graham thought he was getting help with Ojulari coming in, Carter and Ximines coming back; so he didn't feel like he needed to scheme as pass rush this season. Well we are getting no edge rush at all. We can crush the middle of the pocket but it does nothing with an edge rusher coming around.
If I am right we will see Graham dial up more confusing defenses next week as he adjusts to his players. Our pass rush wasn't that good early last year either. We will adjust and improve.
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Post by rjknott on Sept 17, 2021 20:18:06 GMT -5
Graham Defense will get better his Zone Coverage is not the issue it is the Lack of Pass Rush that makes coverage look bad also I notice they Drop Lorenzo Carter back in coverage A LOT while Ximinez is not improving at all. Ojulari has 2 sacks but needs to get better against the run. Need to get Cam Brown and Quincy Roche active and in the rotation and more Trent Harris While I agree the past rush is not helping the coverage, The coverage also isn’t helping the pass rush. Yes the pass rush anemic, but also when the qb always has a slant or someone in the flat that’s open within the first second of the play, because the corners are 10 yards off to start, no one is getting near the qb. More aggressive play calling should be a focus. At this point why play safe. What’s the worst that happens? We lose? We’ve done that since our last super bowl. This team has developed a culture of losing. A game plan about aggressively trying to win, rather than timidly trying not to lose, can go a long way towards changing that culture
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Post by lt56 on Sept 17, 2021 20:27:54 GMT -5
Graham Defense will get better his Zone Coverage is not the issue it is the Lack of Pass Rush that makes coverage look bad also I notice they Drop Lorenzo Carter back in coverage A LOT while Ximinez is not improving at all. Ojulari has 2 sacks but needs to get better against the run. Need to get Cam Brown and Quincy Roche active and in the rotation and more Trent Harris Is Carter and Ximinez so damn slow that they can’t blitz? Because that’s what they should be doing. Lorenzo Carter can get after the QB but for some reason they prefer to use his athleticism in Coverage at times when his Pass Rushing is needed more
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Post by te88 on Sept 17, 2021 21:29:30 GMT -5
Here is my opinion, just an opinion. Last year we had no LBs left and Graham had to scheme and use black magic to get a pass rush going. I think Graham thought he was getting help with Ojulari coming in, Carter and Ximines coming back; so he didn't feel like he needed to scheme as pass rush this season. Well we are getting no edge rush at all. We can crush the middle of the pocket but it does nothing with an edge rusher coming around. If I am right we will see Graham dial up more confusing defenses next week as he adjusts to his players. Our pass rush wasn't that good early last year either. We will adjust and improve. He actually needs to STOP trying to run more confusing schemes and get back to bread and butter. The main issue is the DBs and the coverages being played. He needs to get out of the cover 2 and have the DBs press and play to strengths Graham is a huge disappointment right now and loss of Tomlinson looks huge at this point
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Post by Jomo on Sept 17, 2021 21:47:28 GMT -5
Here is my opinion, just an opinion. Last year we had no LBs left and Graham had to scheme and use black magic to get a pass rush going. I think Graham thought he was getting help with Ojulari coming in, Carter and Ximines coming back; so he didn't feel like he needed to scheme as pass rush this season. Well we are getting no edge rush at all. We can crush the middle of the pocket but it does nothing with an edge rusher coming around. If I am right we will see Graham dial up more confusing defenses next week as he adjusts to his players. Our pass rush wasn't that good early last year either. We will adjust and improve. He actually needs to STOP trying to run more confusing schemes and get back to bread and butter. The main issue is the DBs and the coverages being played. He needs to get out of the cover 2 and have the DBs press and play to strengths Graham is a huge disappointment right now and loss of Tomlinson looks huge at this point The mere fact that you are giving Graham advice speaks volumes to his incompetence. Thank you for that.
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Post by Miked1958 on Sept 17, 2021 21:54:13 GMT -5
I'm talking Ultra Charmin soft. They played so far off the ball at the most crucial times and Bradberry was getting his ass beat. I didn't hear Blake Martinez name not once. That was disappointing. No pressure up front, but our secondary was so iffy and spotty. 3 games at most with a defense playing like that. whathappened? All they kept doing last few years is drafting DBs and signed a few in FA. Supposed to be the strong point
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Post by bizcliz on Sept 17, 2021 21:58:45 GMT -5
On the back end they've switched from the Cover 1/3 base they ran last year to this Cover 2/4 Palms look. Going from single high to 2 high. It's what Fangio/Staley have been doing. It's designed to really limit over the top plays. So while I commend Graham for looking ahead and trying to get ahead of the curve, it really seems like the defense isn't comfortable.
Yes, the pass rush isn't helping but this is a defense that last year relied on coverage sacks. I think they need to get back to their roots of single high and press a bit more. There were like 6-7 passes last night that should have been contested but our guys are so far away from the receivers it's tough to break on it.
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Post by fifthavephil on Sept 17, 2021 22:36:39 GMT -5
When you play better WRs you gameplan for them a certain way. We can't match-up across the board with WFT so we zoned it out. Did enough to win the game imo if we connected on a few more plays during the game. There would be zero complaints if we put up 40 on offense. zero complaints ? A kid making his 3rd career starts with zero wins until last night carved this defense up all night. There was zero pass rush McLaurin made Bradberry look like a child all night Even if the Giants won by 20 the D is in enormous trouble going forward if they gameplan that way It looked like they watched zero film of week one because Washington literally ran the exact gameplan 1). Dalvin Tomlinson, I was a advocate to keep him. He required double team. He was stud in the middle. LW , had his best year . 2) Giants had signed ( last year ) Bradbury , a strong man to man cover. They sign Adore Jackson for the same reason. So, Graham can blitz more frequently. Compare to Spags blitz’s Graham , blitz are standard .
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 18, 2021 5:38:44 GMT -5
Here is my opinion, just an opinion. Last year we had no LBs left and Graham had to scheme and use black magic to get a pass rush going. I think Graham thought he was getting help with Ojulari coming in, Carter and Ximines coming back; so he didn't feel like he needed to scheme as pass rush this season. Well we are getting no edge rush at all. We can crush the middle of the pocket but it does nothing with an edge rusher coming around. If I am right we will see Graham dial up more confusing defenses next week as he adjusts to his players. Our pass rush wasn't that good early last year either. We will adjust and improve. He actually needs to STOP trying to run more confusing schemes and get back to bread and butter. The main issue is the DBs and the coverages being played. He needs to get out of the cover 2 and have the DBs press and play to strengths Graham is a huge disappointment right now and loss of Tomlinson looks huge at this point I didn't mean with his coverage but with the pass rush. We don't have the personnel to line up and rush 4 guys.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 18, 2021 8:10:58 GMT -5
We have poured a shit load of money into the DL to yield nothing in the way of pressure.
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Post by Rudy on Sept 18, 2021 8:14:32 GMT -5
I hate when a defense goes super soft. It’s not like the word soft is enough, you have to add super to it. Because that's how they're playing. Every slant route goes for 10+ yards like ewww
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 18, 2021 9:26:09 GMT -5
I hate when a defense goes super soft. It’s not like the word soft is enough, you have to add super to it. Because that's how they're playing. Every slant route goes for 10+ yards like ewww I’m old fashioned. Playing like shit, is suffice to me. The Giants secondary is the 7-11 defense. Always open, especially on Sundays.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 18, 2021 9:39:17 GMT -5
Forget about starting, how did Ximenes make this team?
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Post by idkaname on Sept 18, 2021 9:45:42 GMT -5
Forget about starting, how did Ximenes make this team? cuz his name is fun to say
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 18, 2021 9:46:49 GMT -5
Forget about starting, how did Ximenes make this team? We built our defense backwards. Instead, of focusing on edge rushers. We went all in at the secondary. Now, we can’t get to the quarterback. And the secondary cant run with these all world athletes for ever. Conclusion, our defense sucks. We should have invested in the edge position. It’s been a glaring issue for years now. Not to the Giants, they like rolling Carter and Ximines out every Sunday. Two players, who can’t get to the quarterback to save their life.
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 18, 2021 10:57:11 GMT -5
Forget about starting, how did Ximenes make this team? We built our defense backwards. Instead, of focusing on edge rushers. We went all in at the secondary. Now, we can’t get to the quarterback. And the secondary cant run with these all world athletes for ever. Conclusion, our defense sucks. We should have invested in the edge position. It’s been a glaring issue for years now. Not to the Giants, they like rolling Carter and Ximines out every Sunday. Two players, who can’t get to the quarterback to save their life. especially disappointing for a team that has featured players like LT and Stray.
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Post by bizcliz on Sept 18, 2021 11:30:52 GMT -5
Forget about starting, how did Ximenes make this team? We built our defense backwards. Instead, of focusing on edge rushers. We went all in at the secondary. Now, we can’t get to the quarterback. And the secondary cant run with these all world athletes for ever. Conclusion, our defense sucks. We should have invested in the edge position. It’s been a glaring issue for years now. Not to the Giants, they like rolling Carter and Ximines out every Sunday. Two players, who can’t get to the quarterback to save their life. Analytics show that building the defense from the secondary out works (Baltimore, New England etc). This defense is just adapting to a new 2 high shell that the Fangio tree runs and the DBs aren't comfortable yet. If they go back to press and playing more single high cover 1/3 looks we will work back towards average. Graham is outsmarting himself here.
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 18, 2021 11:35:29 GMT -5
We built our defense backwards. Instead, of focusing on edge rushers. We went all in at the secondary. Now, we can’t get to the quarterback. And the secondary cant run with these all world athletes for ever. Conclusion, our defense sucks. We should have invested in the edge position. It’s been a glaring issue for years now. Not to the Giants, they like rolling Carter and Ximines out every Sunday. Two players, who can’t get to the quarterback to save their life. Analytics show that building the defense from the secondary out works (Baltimore, New England etc). This defense is just adapting to a new 2 high shell that the Fangio tree runs and the DBs aren't comfortable yet. If they go back to press and playing more single high cover 1/3 looks we will work back towards average. Graham is outsmarting himself here. We won four Super Bowls with the opposite line of thinking. It may work that way, but it also has been proven to work with building the front 7.
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Post by bluebuddha on Sept 18, 2021 12:03:58 GMT -5
Analytics show that building the defense from the secondary out works (Baltimore, New England etc). This defense is just adapting to a new 2 high shell that the Fangio tree runs and the DBs aren't comfortable yet. If they go back to press and playing more single high cover 1/3 looks we will work back towards average. Graham is outsmarting himself here. We won four Super Bowls with the opposite line of thinking. It may work that way, but it also has been proven to work with building the front 7. We hired the wrong guy then. Grahams last two pits stops valued corners backs over Edge rushers. It makes sense these days. Designing your defense around one of the scarcest positions in football is probably going to take a while. Colleges haven't been producing Edge rushers at a great clip. Corners backs, cover lbs/hybrid safetys and more nimble DTs are what's coming out of college. That is what you have to design for. What edge rusher would you have gotten in the draft or free agency the last 2 years for Grahams defense?
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 18, 2021 12:39:29 GMT -5
We won four Super Bowls with the opposite line of thinking. It may work that way, but it also has been proven to work with building the front 7. We hired the wrong guy then. Grahams last two pits stops valued corners backs over Edge rushers. It makes sense these days. Designing your defense around one of the scarcest positions in football is probably going to take a while. Colleges haven't been producing Edge rushers at a great clip. Corners backs, cover lbs/hybrid safetys and more nimble DTs are what's coming out of college. That is what you have to design for. What edge rusher would you have gotten in the draft or free agency the last 2 years for Grahams defense? Not sure. I don’t have the vast resources that these general managers have at their disposal. I did like Bud Dupree, but he’s coming off an ACL injury. No matter, you don’t negate a position just because you value a position more than the other.
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Post by bizcliz on Sept 18, 2021 12:40:38 GMT -5
We hired the wrong guy then. Grahams last two pits stops valued corners backs over Edge rushers. It makes sense these days. Designing your defense around one of the scarcest positions in football is probably going to take a while. Colleges haven't been producing Edge rushers at a great clip. Corners backs, cover lbs/hybrid safetys and more nimble DTs are what's coming out of college. That is what you have to design for. What edge rusher would you have gotten in the draft or free agency the last 2 years for Grahams defense? Not sure. I don’t have the vast resources that these general managers have at their disposal. I did like Bud Dupree, but he’s coming off an ACL injury. No matter, you don’t negate a position just because you value a position more than the other. Nobody has said negate or ignore the EDGE. The idea is to prioritize a strong/deep secondary.
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