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Post by Rudy on Sept 17, 2021 11:50:03 GMT -5
I'm talking Ultra Charmin soft. They played so far off the ball at the most crucial times and Bradberry was getting his ass beat.
I didn't hear Blake Martinez name not once. That was disappointing.
No pressure up front, but our secondary was so iffy and spotty. 3 games at most with a defense playing like that.
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Post by JoeBigBlue on Sept 17, 2021 12:05:47 GMT -5
They were a good defense last year, not sure what happened.
Maybe after being gassed the first game for not being able to get off the field plus a short week had something to do with it.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 17, 2021 12:08:35 GMT -5
I was speaking with someone this morning and this topic came up.
All i could figure is that with virtually no pass rush, we'd be asking cover corners in press coverage to stay engaged for 7 or 8 seconds which might deliver an even worse outcome.
I have no clue really but this approach won't deliver more than 4 wins this year (if we are fortunate)
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Post by Rudy on Sept 17, 2021 12:11:07 GMT -5
They were a good defense last year, not sure what happened. Maybe after being gassed the first game for not being able to get off the field plus a short week had something to do with it. They played soft against Denver too. |
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Post by Rudy on Sept 17, 2021 12:12:23 GMT -5
I was speaking with someone this morning and this topic came up. All i could figure is that with virtually no pass rush, we'd be asking cover corners in press coverage to stay engaged for 7 or 8 seconds which might deliver an even worse outcome. I have no clue really but this approach won't deliver more than 4 wins this year (if we are fortunate) Agreed. The opposing QB has all day to throw when you rush 3. Idk why Graham believes our secondary is going to get a bunch of picks with zero pressure lol we are doomed. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 17, 2021 12:14:24 GMT -5
I wish I had an answer to that. No clue why they play so soft, it needs to stop though, that's for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 12:17:20 GMT -5
The gameplan last night was terrible.
slants were a gift all night because of that cushion and the MLBs are too slow to drop into that lane in time.
A QB in his 3rd career start carved up that defense.
McLaurin is 6 foot !!!
You need to body his ass!
Smash your palms into his chest at the LOS
Don't get me started on the pass rush
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Post by Roswell on Sept 17, 2021 12:18:37 GMT -5
Right now this is a classic example of a struggling team. When the O is going good, the D is bad. And vice a versa. Sprinkle in a ST that makes a huge mistake now and again.
That is the anatomy of a frustrating and losing team.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2021 12:24:38 GMT -5
The gameplan last night was terrible. slants were a gift all night because of that cushion and the MLBs are too slow to drop into that lane in time. A QB in his 3rd career start carved up that defense. McLaurin is 6 foot !!! You need to body his ass! Smash your palms into his chest at the LOS Don't get me started on the pass rush There is literally nothing to talk about there. |
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Post by Rudy on Sept 17, 2021 12:25:56 GMT -5
The gameplan last night was terrible. slants were a gift all night because of that cushion and the MLBs are too slow to drop into that lane in time. A QB in his 3rd career start carved up that defense. McLaurin is 6 foot !!! You need to body his ass! Smash your palms into his chest at the LOS Don't get me started on the pass rush nailed it |
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Post by jb456 on Sept 17, 2021 12:32:21 GMT -5
Right now this is a classic example of a struggling team. When the O is going good, the D is bad. And vice a versa. Sprinkle in a ST that makes a huge mistake now and again. That is the anatomy of a frustrating and losing team. The D has been horrific for the first 2 games, like worst in the league bad and if you factor the opponents, probably much worse than the 2nd worst team. The offense recovered yesterday and put up 29 points against a good defense. The defense gave up a TD by letting Washington march 75 yards down the late in the 4th quarter in 17 freaking seconds. How many would have thought that through the first 2 games, the damn defense would have been more problematic than the offense? WTF! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 12:34:43 GMT -5
When you play better WRs you gameplan for them a certain way.
We can't match-up across the board with WFT so we zoned it out.
Did enough to win the game imo if we connected on a few more plays during the game.
There would be zero complaints if we put up 40 on offense.
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Post by hadenough on Sept 17, 2021 12:39:12 GMT -5
I was speaking with someone this morning and this topic came up. All i could figure is that with virtually no pass rush, we'd be asking cover corners in press coverage to stay engaged for 7 or 8 seconds which might deliver an even worse outcome. I have no clue really but this approach won't deliver more than 4 wins this year (if we are fortunate) I get that reasoning...and I'm fine with that thought. But you can't do it every freakn play. You have to play other stuff otherwise they'll carve you up. |
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Post by hadenough on Sept 17, 2021 12:40:10 GMT -5
The gameplan last night was terrible. slants were a gift all night because of that cushion and the MLBs are too slow to drop into that lane in time. A QB in his 3rd career start carved up that defense. McLaurin is 6 foot !!! You need to body his ass! Smash your palms into his chest at the LOS Don't get me started on the pass rush There is no pass rush. Very slow front 7. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 12:45:27 GMT -5
When you play better WRs you gameplan for them a certain way. We can't match-up across the board with WFT so we zoned it out. Did enough to win the game imo if we connected on a few more plays during the game. There would be zero complaints if we put up 40 on offense. zero complaints ? A kid making his 3rd career starts with zero wins until last night carved this defense up all night. There was zero pass rush McLaurin made Bradberry look like a child all night Even if the Giants won by 20 the D is in enormous trouble going forward if they gameplan that way It looked like they watched zero film of week one because Washington literally ran the exact gameplan |
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Post by grapenut on Sept 17, 2021 12:48:37 GMT -5
When you have to kick 5 field goals, your offence left too many points on the field, and when your defense plays loose and can't get to the quarterback, it's disaster time.
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2021 12:52:21 GMT -5
Our Defense. Is set up (as it appears to me) to stop the big play. The problem is you can win at small ball very easily if the defense is arranged to give that opportunity.
I get why Graham is doing what he is. He expects our D-line and edge containment to handle the run game. That is not happening. So our 2 ILBS have to assist in the run stopping . That causes a problem for them in the first second after the snap. Run or Pass. That split second is the difference in good coverage in the middle and not.
Just what I think I am seeing.
In pure passing downs. We took the middle away and got off the field ... Down and long.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 12:56:10 GMT -5
Our Defense. Is set up (as it appears to me) to stop the big play. The problem is you can win at small ball very easily if the defense is arranged to give that opportunity. I get why Graham is doing what he is. He expects our D-line and edge containment to handle the run game. That is not happening. So our 2 ILBS have to assist in the run stopping . That causes a problem for them in the first second after the snap. Run or Pass. That split second is the difference in good coverage in the middle and not. Just why I think I am seeing. Your point is well made But with zero pressure and your top corner giving up 11 catches for 107 yds and a TD to one 6 ft receiver who he should have been putting hands on at the line. Washington did nothing different than they did in week one. Very strange game plan by Graham in my opinion. It was the QBs 3rd ever start ... and he saw the Giants defense like it was the Washington taxi squad |
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2021 12:57:01 GMT -5
Our Defense. Is set up (as it appears to me) to stop the big play. The problem is you can win at small ball very easily if the defense is arranged to give that opportunity. I get why Graham is doing what he is. He expects our D-line and edge containment to handle the run game. That is not happening. So our 2 ILBS have to assist in the run stopping . That causes a problem for them in the first second after the snap. Run or Pass. That split second is the difference in good coverage in the middle and not. Just why I think I am seeing. Your point is well made But with zero pressure and your top corner giving up 11 catches for 107 yds and a TD to one 6 ft receiver who he should have been putting hands on at the line. Washington did nothing different than they did in week one. Very strange game plan by Graham in my opinion. It was the QBs 3rd ever start ... and he saw the Giants defense like it was the Washington taxi squad All good points. |
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Post by lt56 on Sept 17, 2021 12:58:33 GMT -5
Graham Defense will get better
his Zone Coverage is not the issue it is the Lack of Pass Rush that makes coverage look bad also I notice they Drop Lorenzo Carter back in coverage A LOT while Ximinez is not improving at all. Ojulari has 2 sacks but needs to get better against the run. Need to get Cam Brown and Quincy Roche active and in the rotation and more Trent Harris
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Post by Roswell on Sept 17, 2021 13:02:56 GMT -5
When you play better WRs you gameplan for them a certain way. We can't match-up across the board with WFT so we zoned it out. Did enough to win the game imo if we connected on a few more plays during the game. There would be zero complaints if we put up 40 on offense. Yeah and there'd be zero complaints if Dexter Lawrence was onside. They would've won and we would be talking about actually being 2-1 in ten days. But this team has a great ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. My biggest complaint is how poorly the defense plays in the last 2 minutes of the half or the game. Horrendous. |
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Post by Kruunch on Sept 17, 2021 13:04:18 GMT -5
Who knows.. Maybe, they started feeling ones oats, and read all the press clippings on how great they are.
In back to back weeks they made pedestrian quarterbacks look other worldly.
And that pass rush.. More like no rush. Leonard Williams, want to get in on the action?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 13:04:42 GMT -5
Graham is trying to get too cute too early
Last year this team thrived in cover 3
Now he is living and dying with cover 2 and cover 4 in a 2 high look
He is trying to disguise stuff but it is not really working ... the players don't look comfortable
I just don't see why they are changing what worked well with this same group.
They don't have the LBs to run those looks
This team doesn't have the personnel of the Rams
Graham is outthinking his players
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Post by spaceweather on Sept 17, 2021 13:09:54 GMT -5
The gameplan last night was terrible. slants were a gift all night because of that cushion and the MLBs are too slow to drop into that lane in time. A QB in his 3rd career start carved up that defense. McLaurin is 6 foot !!! You need to body his ass! Smash your palms into his chest at the LOS Don't get me started on the pass rush I am just so confused how something so obvious to the public is like deciphering a puzzle to the coaches. It is very clear what is and is not working. Joe Judge preaches "adapt or die" well I guess we will keep dying. |
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2021 13:12:20 GMT -5
Graham is trying to get too cute too early Last year this team thrived in cover 3 Now he is living and dying with cover 2 and cover 4 in a 2 high look He is trying to disguise stuff but it is not really working ... the players don't look comfortable I just don't see why they are changing what worked well with this same group. They don't have the LBs to run those looks This team doesn't have the personnel of the Rams Graham is outthinking his players I am not and never have been a fan of a soft zone. IMO get up to the line. Press the reciever . Throw the QB's timing off. Give the pass rush an extra half a second. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 13:13:22 GMT -5
Graham is trying to get too cute too early Last year this team thrived in cover 3 Now he is living and dying with cover 2 and cover 4 in a 2 high look He is trying to disguise stuff but it is not really working ... the players don't look comfortable I just don't see why they are changing what worked well with this same group. They don't have the LBs to run those looks This team doesn't have the personnel of the Rams Graham is outthinking his players I am not and never have been a fan of a soft zone. IMO get up to the line. Press the reciever . Throw the Q's timing off. Give the pass rush an extra half a second. Boom ! That is where Bradberry and Jackson want to live let them put their hands on these guys |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 13:19:42 GMT -5
When you play better WRs you gameplan for them a certain way. We can't match-up across the board with WFT so we zoned it out. Did enough to win the game imo if we connected on a few more plays during the game. There would be zero complaints if we put up 40 on offense. zero complaints ? A kid making his 3rd career starts with zero wins until last night carved this defense up all night. There was zero pass rush McLaurin made Bradberry look like a child all night Even if the Giants won by 20 the D is in enormous trouble going forward if they gameplan that way It looked like they watched zero film of week one because Washington literally ran the exact gameplan gotcha |
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Post by te88 on Sept 17, 2021 14:04:59 GMT -5
The gameplan last night was terrible. slants were a gift all night because of that cushion and the MLBs are too slow to drop into that lane in time. A QB in his 3rd career start carved up that defense. McLaurin is 6 foot !!! You need to body his ass! Smash your palms into his chest at the LOS Don't get me started on the pass rush I am just so confused how something so obvious to the public is like deciphering a puzzle to the coaches. It is very clear what is and is not working. Joe Judge preaches "adapt or die" well I guess we will keep dying. Joe Judge’s motto in practice seems to be adapt AND die. |
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Post by Jomo on Sept 17, 2021 14:08:55 GMT -5
The gameplan last night was terrible. slants were a gift all night because of that cushion and the MLBs are too slow to drop into that lane in time. A QB in his 3rd career start carved up that defense. McLaurin is 6 foot !!! You need to body his ass! Smash your palms into his chest at the LOS Don't get me started on the pass rush There is literally nothing to talk about there. For most of these players they've only been here a few years. For the fans we've been struggling with this ineptitude for a decade. We actually have it much worse and we're not getting paid like they are either. |
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Post by Providence on Sept 17, 2021 14:29:30 GMT -5
Because we have no pass rush.
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