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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2021 15:32:29 GMT -5
Remember Shockey yelling at Eli with his "get me the ball!" nonsense ? Odell crying for the ball ... Yes it happens all the time ... I get it... But it needs to be nipped in the bud Golladay yelling on the sideline ... Toney putting out tweets It is all peaced up now I guarantee ... but there needs to be a line drawn in the sand behind closed doors where Jones plants his flag Losing sucks for everyone Crying for the ball gets you nowhere What it gets you is a QB forcing the ball into spots to try to please a mans ego Daniel needs to sit with his boys and set it straight ... now ! Knock it off Especialy. If the WR is dropping the ball. |
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Post by TEM on Sept 17, 2021 15:34:32 GMT -5
I seen him take a step in the right direction yesterday. He played well enough to win that game yesterday. Some of his teammates not so much. Hr played well last night but let's not forget it was one game. He's had good games before, he needs to be consistent. He did not look like he did last night at all last year. He was crisp and decisive in the 2nd half like an NFL QB. I have been waiting for that guy to come out in him. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 15:40:18 GMT -5
Remember Shockey yelling at Eli with his "get me the ball!" nonsense ? Odell crying for the ball ... Yes it happens all the time ... I get it... But it needs to be nipped in the bud Golladay yelling on the sideline ... Toney putting out tweets It is all peaced up now I guarantee ... but there needs to be a line drawn in the sand behind closed doors where Jones plants his flag Losing sucks for everyone Crying for the ball gets you nowhere What it gets you is a QB forcing the ball into spots to try to please a mans ego Daniel needs to sit with his boys and set it straight ... now ! Knock it off The way Jones reacted on the sidelines let's me know there's nothing to worry about moving forward. A reaction speaks louder sometimes. I love how the team let grown men get their shit off as well. Jones gave KG that eye like, "you serious right now?" lol |
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Post by soullessnight on Sept 17, 2021 17:05:44 GMT -5
I don’t know, getting wide open as you’re being paid 17 million dollars a year and the QB ignoring you the whole game to dump it off… Having multiple near picks and missing a guy over the middle in space? Jones had ALL day to throw yesterday and we kicked 5 field goals. Meanwhile a back up to the back up to the back up QB recognizes a TE on a CB in the back of the end zone and throws it up for a TD. Yeah Jones recognizes blown coverages, but isn’t that the minimum for a QB in the NFL? Golladay was neither consistently wide open nor ignored. He did drop an easy one or two. He can feel free to get himself a nice steaming cup of STFU while he works on his focus. It's early and he's in a new situation, he'll get there. Seems like maybe you didn't see the whole game, just the highlights. Jones did more than enough to win that game last night. He can't catch the ball for Golladay or Slayton and he doesn't play defense although I'm sure he wishes he could have been going against the Giants D last night. 5 field goals “more than enough” Do better. |
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 17, 2021 17:25:24 GMT -5
Golladay was neither consistently wide open nor ignored. He did drop an easy one or two. He can feel free to get himself a nice steaming cup of STFU while he works on his focus. It's early and he's in a new situation, he'll get there. Seems like maybe you didn't see the whole game, just the highlights. Jones did more than enough to win that game last night. He can't catch the ball for Golladay or Slayton and he doesn't play defense although I'm sure he wishes he could have been going against the Giants D last night. 5 field goals “more than enough” Do better. He did. I named two TDs that became FGs due to player failures. I have no issue with expecting more from the QB but some perspective, context and a dose of reality doesn't hurt. |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 17, 2021 17:29:08 GMT -5
I think some people are missing the forest from the trees.
DJ was 22 for 32 for 249 yards last night.
DJ targeted Golladay 8 times. That is not ignoring him. That is second most on the team after Shep (10 targets)
Out of those 8 times Galladay had 3 catches for 38 yards.
So
3 out of 8 to Golladay
19 out of 24 to the rest of the team
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 17:32:08 GMT -5
I disagree that the QB needs to put such players "in their place." Eli wasn't a player who would do that and last I checked, he was a heck of a leader. Seems to me that fans often want the QB to assert their dominance over such players only because they (the fan) are angry with the player jawing at the QB. In reality, you still need to work with these folks and share a locker room with them, so a discussion with each side's concerns being heard seems to be the better approach. Besides, maybe Golladay had a point? Maybe the best thing for Jones to do right now is to say, "Ya know what Kenny? You're right. My bad. I'll work on getting better at XYZ." Again, who knows what the actual complaint and context was, but it's worth considering. My post has nothing to do with being angry at anyone It has to do with having a very good understanding of situations like this. Been on many teams and many business ventures with situations like this ... you have to get it under control or it can absolutely grow and destroy The difference in the Eli situation was that he was the new guy ... in this situation you have a two players ...one of which who is a rookie and the other who is two games into his career with the team... acting out against a team captain It needs to be nipped and made aware that this will not be tolerated |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2021 17:40:41 GMT -5
I disagree that the QB needs to put such players "in their place." Eli wasn't a player who would do that and last I checked, he was a heck of a leader. Seems to me that fans often want the QB to assert their dominance over such players only because they (the fan) are angry with the player jawing at the QB. In reality, you still need to work with these folks and share a locker room with them, so a discussion with each side's concerns being heard seems to be the better approach. Besides, maybe Golladay had a point? Maybe the best thing for Jones to do right now is to say, "Ya know what Kenny? You're right. My bad. I'll work on getting better at XYZ." Again, who knows what the actual complaint and context was, but it's worth considering. My post has nothing to do with being angry at anyone It has to do with having a very good understanding of situations like this. Been on many teams and many business ventures with situations like this ... you have to get it under control or it can absolutely grow and destroy The difference in the Eli situation was that he was the new guy ... in this situation you have a two players ...one of which who is a rookie and the other who is two games into his career with the team... acting out against a team captain It needs to be nipped and made aware that this will not be tolerated Isn't that mostly the coaches job? I don't see it being on Jones's shoulder. If we want to get specific, it's the role of all the team leaders as much as it is Jones. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2021 17:46:00 GMT -5
My post has nothing to do with being angry at anyone It has to do with having a very good understanding of situations like this. Been on many teams and many business ventures with situations like this ... you have to get it under control or it can absolutely grow and destroy The difference in the Eli situation was that he was the new guy ... in this situation you have a two players ...one of which who is a rookie and the other who is two games into his career with the team... acting out against a team captain It needs to be nipped and made aware that this will not be tolerated Isn't that mostly the coaches job? I don't see it being on Jones's shoulder. If we want to get specific, it's the role of all the team leaders as much as it is Jones. Absolutely not the coaches job this needs to be dealt with between the players involved No one needs their dad sorting out spats on the playground. Being the QB... a team captain ...and veteran of the team he needs to make it known to those new to the team that this does not fly here. |
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 17, 2021 17:46:15 GMT -5
I actually thought this would be a thread about Jones calling audibles at the line. When Garrett says to run it up the gut against 9 defenders from their 20 Jones should say F that. Anyway I could be wrong. Jones will get there.
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Post by IrishMike on Sept 17, 2021 17:49:28 GMT -5
I seen him take a step in the right direction yesterday. He played well enough to win that game yesterday. Some of his teammates not so much. Hr played well last night but let's not forget it was one game. He's had good games before, he needs to be consistent. I agree. He needs to string these together. It does appear he is fixing parts of his game. His pocket awareness was off the charts last night. His reads on those read options were great. Covering the ball down the field, although I want him to slide more just to play it safe. He had four TDs last night, his WR/refs took two away. He had almost 350 yards and should have had 400. Hell of a game.
Now on to Atlanta, string another together. I'll be there to watch.
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 17, 2021 17:58:11 GMT -5
I seen him take a step in the right direction yesterday. He played well enough to win that game yesterday. Some of his teammates not so much. Hr played well last night but let's not forget it was one game. He's had good games before, he needs to be consistent. agree 100%, but he did look like he's maturing as a player, so I'm hopeful at least. |
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 17, 2021 18:00:40 GMT -5
Isn't that mostly the coaches job? I don't see it being on Jones's shoulder. If we want to get specific, it's the role of all the team leaders as much as it is Jones. Absolutely not the coaches job this needs to be dealt with between the players involved No one needs their dad sorting out spats on the playground. Being the QB... a team captain ...and veteran of the team he needs to make it known to those new to the team that this does not fly here. yeah, there are definitely situations that the players in the locker room need to sort out themselves, for sure. Coaches can only do so much for that dynamic. |
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Post by Speedman on Sept 17, 2021 19:47:11 GMT -5
I seen him take a step in the right direction yesterday. He played well enough to win that game yesterday. Some of his teammates not so much. Hr played well last night but let's not forget it was one game. He's had good games before, he needs to be consistent. I read a while ago where Accorsi talking about Eli said just let the kid play. I’m hoping that is what they did with Jones last night. |
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Post by giantsalmon on Sept 17, 2021 20:00:33 GMT -5
I do agree DJ is carrying himself differently. The faster he emerges as THE offensive leader, the better. Loved how he negotiated the pocket last night and he scanned the field well.
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 17, 2021 20:20:11 GMT -5
Remember Shockey yelling at Eli with his "get me the ball!" nonsense ? Odell crying for the ball ... Yes it happens all the time ... I get it... But it needs to be nipped in the bud Golladay yelling on the sideline ... Toney putting out tweets It is all peaced up now I guarantee ... but there needs to be a line drawn in the sand behind closed doors where Jones plants his flag Losing sucks for everyone Crying for the ball gets you nowhere What it gets you is a QB forcing the ball into spots to try to please a mans ego Daniel needs to sit with his boys and set it straight ... now ! Knock it off How many years are we going to go with this "old school" stuff and keep losing? I'm old school myself, but I saw multiple plays this week after the game where he was clearly open and the best option, and he wasn't thrown to. Baldy tried to sell it as DJ "wasn't comfortable" throwing to him yet. Which might be true, but if that's the reason it's more on DJ than Holliday. Hopefully they will work it out. |
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Post by rjknott on Sept 17, 2021 20:27:16 GMT -5
Remember Shockey yelling at Eli with his "get me the ball!" nonsense ? Odell crying for the ball ... Yes it happens all the time ... I get it... But it needs to be nipped in the bud Golladay yelling on the sideline ... Toney putting out tweets It is all peaced up now I guarantee ... but there needs to be a line drawn in the sand behind closed doors where Jones plants his flag Losing sucks for everyone Crying for the ball gets you nowhere What it gets you is a QB forcing the ball into spots to try to please a mans ego Daniel needs to sit with his boys and set it straight ... now ! Knock it off If jones says anything it should be “if you want the ball, get open. If you’re open, then catch it when I throw it to you” then walk out of the room Right now the only one doing that is Shep. And thus he’s getting the ball |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2021 20:29:04 GMT -5
Isn't that mostly the coaches job? I don't see it being on Jones's shoulder. If we want to get specific, it's the role of all the team leaders as much as it is Jones. this needs to be dealt with between the players involved No one needs their dad sorting out spats on the playground. Being the QB... a team captain ...and veteran of the team he needs to make it known to those new to the team that this does not fly here. Then why was the coach arguing with Toney on the sidelines? |
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Post by McCherry on Sept 17, 2021 20:30:19 GMT -5
Remember Shockey yelling at Eli with his "get me the ball!" nonsense ? Odell crying for the ball ... Yes it happens all the time ... I get it... But it needs to be nipped in the bud Golladay yelling on the sideline ... Toney putting out tweets It is all peaced up now I guarantee ... but there needs to be a line drawn in the sand behind closed doors where Jones plants his flag Losing sucks for everyone Crying for the ball gets you nowhere What it gets you is a QB forcing the ball into spots to try to please a mans ego Daniel needs to sit with his boys and set it straight ... now ! Knock it off How many years are we going to go with this "old school" stuff and keep losing? I'm old school myself, but I saw multiple plays this week after the game where he was clearly open and the best option, and he wasn't thrown to. Baldy tried to sell it as DJ "wasn't comfortable" throwing to him yet. Which might be true, but if that's the reason it's more on DJ than Holliday.
Hopefully they will work it out. Golloday caught what, 3 out of 8 passes? |
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 17, 2021 20:43:20 GMT -5
How many years are we going to go with this "old school" stuff and keep losing? I'm old school myself, but I saw multiple plays this week after the game where he was clearly open and the best option, and he wasn't thrown to. Baldy tried to sell it as DJ "wasn't comfortable" throwing to him yet. Which might be true, but if that's the reason it's more on DJ than Holliday.
Hopefully they will work it out. Golloday caught what, 3 out of 8 passes? Yeah but how many more times was he open? According to Baldy, it was way more often. My subscription to game pass doesn't seem to include the overhead view anymore to see who's open or not. But my bet is golliday is right. |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 17, 2021 21:51:20 GMT -5
Remember Shockey yelling at Eli with his "get me the ball!" nonsense ? Odell crying for the ball ... Yes it happens all the time ... I get it... But it needs to be nipped in the bud Golladay yelling on the sideline ... Toney putting out tweets It is all peaced up now I guarantee ... but there needs to be a line drawn in the sand behind closed doors where Jones plants his flag Losing sucks for everyone Crying for the ball gets you nowhere What it gets you is a QB forcing the ball into spots to try to please a mans ego Daniel needs to sit with his boys and set it straight ... now ! Knock it off How many years are we going to go with this "old school" stuff and keep losing? I'm old school myself, but I saw multiple plays this week after the game where he was clearly open and the best option, and he wasn't thrown to. Baldy tried to sell it as DJ "wasn't comfortable" throwing to him yet. Which might be true, but if that's the reason it's more on DJ than Holliday. Hopefully they will work it out. He targeted Golladay the second most on the team. The goal is to win the game. We had better success going to other guys last night. 3 catches out of 8 targets to Golladay 19 catches out of 24 targets to the rest of the team |
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Post by DandyDon on Sept 17, 2021 22:45:01 GMT -5
How many years are we going to go with this "old school" stuff and keep losing? I'm old school myself, but I saw multiple plays this week after the game where he was clearly open and the best option, and he wasn't thrown to. Baldy tried to sell it as DJ "wasn't comfortable" throwing to him yet. Which might be true, but if that's the reason it's more on DJ than Holliday. Hopefully they will work it out. He targeted Golladay the second most on the team. The goal is to win the game. We had better success going to other guys last night. 3 catches out of 8 targets to Golladay 19 catches out of 24 targets to the rest of the team Maybe. I saw a Baldy overhead version where golliday was open on several downs and didn't get the ball. I hope they work it out. I'm frankly more concerned about the lack of defense. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 9:33:02 GMT -5
Absolutely not the coaches job this needs to be dealt with between the players involved No one needs their dad sorting out spats on the playground. Being the QB... a team captain ...and veteran of the team he needs to make it known to those new to the team that this does not fly here. Then why was the coach arguing with Toney on the sidelines? Because he is a young moron All this kid does is do what 95% of young people do ... vent on social media and think of himself only A guy like that needs to be brought back to earth by a teammate ... a peer ... not an someone in the position of authority It is the only thing that works for people like him...I've seen it a thousand times. They get asked to sit down in someones office and it causes a bit of resentment and causes more rebellion. They get spoken to by a peer and the message gets through. |
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Post by GameTime on Sept 18, 2021 9:37:26 GMT -5
Then why was the coach arguing with Toney on the sidelines? A guy like that needs to be brought back to earth by a teammate ... a peer ... not an someone in the position of authority It is the only thing that works for people like him. the Captains need to get this right quickly. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2021 9:45:59 GMT -5
With the giants as the worst team in the league and playing soft and an offense whos coordinator doesnt even try to score, GOOD, yell. Im glad for it. We SUCK. Somebody rile it up then, even if it implodes does it matter? We re the worst team in football the last few years. Whats the worst that happens? Staff and roster get shakin up? Judge loses the locker room?
Good. Again, WE SUCK. You could wipe out this entire roster and staff right now i wouldnt care one bit. Im DONE. I cant take any more thurs night.
Because the way the coaches are calling the games, the way our defense is insanely soft and the offense has zero aggresiveness, we re cooked anyway, until the organization fundamentally changes its approach and grows some damn balls.
Go ahead and yell at them Golladay. good
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 19, 2021 13:02:55 GMT -5
He targeted Golladay the second most on the team. The goal is to win the game. We had better success going to other guys last night. 3 catches out of 8 targets to Golladay 19 catches out of 24 targets to the rest of the team Maybe. I saw a Baldy overhead version where golliday was open on several downs and didn't get the ball. I hope they work it out. I'm frankly more concerned about the lack of defense. I saw the downs before his tantrum. 1 play he got the ball. 1 play the ball went to Rudolph. 1 play he was open on the left side but he was only open on the left side of the field AFTER pressure had Jones was moving towards the right side of the field. If Jones stopped on a dime and threw the ball to the other side of the field it would be considered a very dangerous throw. We cant tell DJ not to turn the ball over and then encourage a cross the field throw like that which probably would be picked off. |
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