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Post by idkaname on Oct 1, 2021 10:59:07 GMT -5
I can’t stand the fact that pretty much every game I watch I see WRs wide open because of the route combinations of the other WRs/TEs picking/clearing the intended coverage.
Aside from the blown coverage on Slayton, I can’t remember many another plays (I’m sure there’s gotta be a couple, at least I hope so) where our WR or TE is wide open and Jones is always forced to make a great throw or throw it away from the defenders side in tight coverage…
Actually, one I do remember is Golladays catch near the 5-7 yard line, exactly what I’m looking for but usually it’s 2+ guys in the same area allowing one defender to cover underneath both of them while the safety’s can take away the top…
One reason I believe this to be is too many routes that force a player to stop and wait…comebacks, curls, outs…these can be useful when you’re stretching the field but really it’s just limiting the abilities of our faster receivers cuz they have to stop, catch the ball, and then accelerate again…
Need more posts, wheel, CROSSERS(the biggest Giant killer of the decade) and for the love of everything football…throw a couple deep shots every drive or 2 to keep the defense honest. Doesn’t even have to be open, over throw it or give Golladay a chance, but when we aren’t even showing we’re willing to go deep, how the hell can the underneath **** work.
The line is giving plenty of time so I don’t need that excuse. I do believe our lack of running game is a factor as well but Barkley, though not 100%, visibly looked more like his old self albeit he looked kinda gimpy after runs…Toney should be in the backfield if Barkley isn’t ready for a full workload yet, he’s got plenty of vision to be effective on tosses/sweeps etc
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Oct 1, 2021 11:53:25 GMT -5
I can’t stand the fact that pretty much every game I watch I see WRs wide open because of the route combinations of the other WRs/TEs picking/clearing the intended coverage. Aside from the blown coverage on Slayton, I can’t remember many another plays (I’m sure there’s gotta be a couple, at least I hope so) where our WR or TE is wide open and Jones is always forced to make a great throw or throw it away from the defenders side in tight coverage… Actually, one I do remember is Golladays catch near the 5-7 yard line, exactly what I’m looking for but usually it’s 2+ guys in the same area allowing one defender to cover underneath both of them while the safety’s can take away the top… One reason I believe this to be is too many routes that force a player to stop and wait…comebacks, curls, outs…these can be useful when you’re stretching the field but really it’s just limiting the abilities of our faster receivers cuz they have to stop, catch the ball, and then accelerate again… Need more posts, wheel, CROSSERS(the biggest Giant killer of the decade) and for the love of everything football…throw a couple deep shots every drive or 2 to keep the defense honest. Doesn’t even have to be open, over throw it or give Golladay a chance, but when we aren’t even showing we’re willing to go deep, how the hell can the underneath **** work. The line is giving plenty of time so I don’t need that excuse. I do believe our lack of running game is a factor as well but Barkley, though not 100%, visibly looked more like his old self albeit he looked kinda gimpy after runs…Toney should be in the backfield if Barkley isn’t ready for a full workload yet, he’s got plenty of vision to be effective on tosses/sweeps etc /Rant There was one Golladay running nice skinny post wide open DJ went else where that olay would have been a TD if he got to him in the progression. |
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 1, 2021 14:36:46 GMT -5
Almost 700 yards of total offense the past two weeks. I know, 800 yards is an even number and sounds better. However, the chains are moving. Our biggest issues, other than that leaky faucet defense. Is, we can’t punch it in.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 1, 2021 14:38:04 GMT -5
Almost 700 yards of total offense the past two weeks. I know, 800 yards is an even number and sounds better. How we, the chains are moving. Are biggest issues, other than that leaky faucet defense. Is, we can’t punch it in. We have hight and matchuo players now and they are not used inside the red zone the way they should be |
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Post by idkaname on Oct 1, 2021 14:49:22 GMT -5
Almost 700 yards of total offense the past two weeks. I know, 800 yards is an even number and sounds better. However, the chains are moving. Are biggest issues, other than that leaky faucet defense. Is, we can’t punch it in. again, scheme. Garret is obsessed with trick plays once we cross the other teams 50. Every drive he calls some BS reverse or “trickery” play that fools nobody because he calls them nearly every drive |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 1, 2021 14:53:25 GMT -5
Almost 700 yards of total offense the past two weeks. I know, 800 yards is an even number and sounds better. However, the chains are moving. Are biggest issues, other than that leaky faucet defense. Is, we can’t punch it in. again, scheme. Garret is obsessed with trick plays once we cross the other teams 50. Every drive he calls some BS reverse or “trickery” play that fools nobody because he calls them nearly every drive Dunno Every good modern offense uses jet sweeps and end arounds all tbe time and they work We might be tipping off the defense pre snap... I think one issue is that we have zero motion pre snap which includes ghost motions (ie jet sweep fakes )and orbit motions ... So when one of our guys go in motion like that they end up getting the ball |
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Post by bluejayc on Oct 1, 2021 14:55:34 GMT -5
Doesn’t even have to be open, over throw it or give Golladay a chance, but when we aren’t even showing we’re willing to go deep, how the hell can the underneath **** work. Agreed........this was Eli's bread and butter with Plax, Hakeem and Cruz. |
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 1, 2021 15:07:47 GMT -5
Almost 700 yards of total offense the past two weeks. I know, 800 yards is an even number and sounds better. However, the chains are moving. Are biggest issues, other than that leaky faucet defense. Is, we can’t punch it in. again, scheme. Garret is obsessed with trick plays once we cross the other teams 50. Every drive he calls some BS reverse or “trickery” play that fools nobody because he calls them nearly every drive Trick plays? You mean when they keep the defense honest? Watch the game again, the play calling wasn’t as atrocious as fans think. A lot of our receptions, the receivers were open. We had a balanced attack with 27 runs and 35 pass attempts. A lot of our miscues in the red zone were self inflicted. Missed snap, a sack that put us in 2nd and long. Those type of plays kill drives. And look at our last offensive series, Solder gives up a big sack on 2nd down and Jones fumbles. That put us in 3rd and 19, which means you’re going to punt. Again, Garrett has his warts. But, the plays are there to be made. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 1, 2021 15:11:32 GMT -5
Doesn’t even have to be open, over throw it or give Golladay a chance, but when we aren’t even showing we’re willing to go deep, how the hell can the underneath **** work. Agreed........this was Eli's bread and butter with Plax, Hakeem and Cruz. Nevemind getting something resembling a consistent running game going with so many bodies in a short area zone to blitz a and b gaps at will |
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Post by vinnie on Oct 1, 2021 15:29:31 GMT -5
Garrett was HC and had plenty of input for several of the top offenses in the league when he was with the Cowboys, I’m pretty sure he knows what he’s doing over a bunch of posters on a message board.
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Post by idkaname on Oct 1, 2021 15:35:25 GMT -5
Garrett was HC and had plenty of input for several of the top offenses in the league when he was with the Cowboys, I’m pretty sure he knows what he’s doing over a bunch of posters on a message board. it’s not translating to points though |
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Post by vinnie on Oct 1, 2021 15:41:31 GMT -5
Garrett was HC and had plenty of input for several of the top offenses in the league when he was with the Cowboys, I’m pretty sure he knows what he’s doing over a bunch of posters on a message board. it’s not translating to points though He’s been dealing with a patch work O line, a FA WR that was hurt most of pre season and a rookie WR that skipped OTA’s and was also injured most of pre season. These things don’t happen overnight. |
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Post by McCherry on Oct 1, 2021 15:54:24 GMT -5
Garrett was HC and had plenty of input for several of the top offenses in the league when he was with the Cowboys, I’m pretty sure he knows what he’s doing over a bunch of posters on a message board. it’s not translating to points though And Garrett wasn't the playcaller in Dallas. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 15:57:31 GMT -5
Since I cannot create threads anymore I'll post this video here. Sorry for hi-jacking (blame the mods)
This reminds of me of when John Elway was sent helicoptering up in the air on that one run. Heart of a champion.
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Post by idkaname on Oct 1, 2021 16:00:20 GMT -5
Since I cannot create threads anymore I'll post this video here. This reminds of me of when John Elway was sent helicoptering up in the air on that one run. Heart of a champion. ye dope play, difference between the elway run is we lost. Not blaming Jones but not as memorable taking the L. I’d rather not see Jones try to truck Dlineman though, I cringe every time he gets hit. Do not want Mike Glennon in there 💀 but it was necessary at this moment in the game |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 16:01:17 GMT -5
Since I cannot create threads anymore I'll post this video here. This reminds of me of when John Elway was sent helicoptering up in the air on that one run. Heart of a champion. ye dope play, difference between the elway run is we lost. Not blaming Jones but not as memorable taking the L. I’d rather not see Jones try to truck Dlineman though, I cringe every time he gets hit. Do not want Mike Glennon in there 💀 Yea a W changes everything. This run would've been on ESPN all week with a W. Lowering your throwing shoulder on a DT is wild now that I think about it lol |
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Post by idkaname on Oct 1, 2021 16:01:58 GMT -5
ye dope play, difference between the elway run is we lost. Not blaming Jones but not as memorable taking the L. I’d rather not see Jones try to truck Dlineman though, I cringe every time he gets hit. Do not want Mike Glennon in there 💀 Yea a W changes everything. This run would've been on ESPN all week with a W. forreal. maybe it’s a foreshadowing play of the W coming next week ? 👀 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 16:03:09 GMT -5
Yea a W changes everything. This run would've been on ESPN all week with a W. forreal. maybe it’s a foreshadowing play of the W coming next week ? 👀 🤞🏿 |
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 1, 2021 16:09:16 GMT -5
I remember back in HS when our QB would tell everybody in the huddle to make sure you hold your water and no false starts, you would think at this level of football the players would know that..
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 16:09:51 GMT -5
I really wish we could get a tight end going, i dont care who it is, whoever catches the damn ball which to me only seems to be kaden smith who we never use. and as suggested in this post, i wish we'd use the plays that have absolutely killed us, even just simple slants.
we have guys that could make some decent yards after catch, shep, toney, barkley, rudolph?, smith.... get these guys the ball while theyre in motion.
i agree on deep plays, show it even, something.
despite the horror show this has been, if golladay and jones get locked in, that could be something, if this 6'6' kid johnson turns into a real threat (i know, im reaching), and we finally actually cut toney loose, aaaaaaand we actually finally figured out some solid TE play, this coooooould actually turn around.
thats why im mostly pissed at the coaching staff, there ARE tools right here, the giants just refuse to go for it, they refuse to use the best guys in the best situations. when we do, its like oh, look! we tried throwing it once passed 20 yards, it didnt work, so back to pound the ball for 0 yards 20 times over.
i hate it. FREAKING GO FOR IT. use the best guys in their best situations, EVERY TIME YOU POSSIBLY CAN. we're so reserved.
meh, its not that easy i know, i just gotta rant somewhere or ill explode.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 1, 2021 17:10:26 GMT -5
it’s not translating to points though And Garrett wasn't the playcaller in Dallas. He was when he was OC and he was still the HC who had input on the offense and the team as a whole. If Mara wants to start winning he needs to move Judge to special teams coach and promote Garrett to HC while still letting him call the offensive plays. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 18:26:55 GMT -5
I can’t stand the fact that pretty much every game I watch I see WRs wide open because of the route combinations of the other WRs/TEs picking/clearing the intended coverage. Aside from the blown coverage on Slayton, I can’t remember many another plays (I’m sure there’s gotta be a couple, at least I hope so) where our WR or TE is wide open and Jones is always forced to make a great throw or throw it away from the defenders side in tight coverage… Actually, one I do remember is Golladays catch near the 5-7 yard line, exactly what I’m looking for but usually it’s 2+ guys in the same area allowing one defender to cover underneath both of them while the safety’s can take away the top… One reason I believe this to be is too many routes that force a player to stop and wait…comebacks, curls, outs…these can be useful when you’re stretching the field but really it’s just limiting the abilities of our faster receivers cuz they have to stop, catch the ball, and then accelerate again… Need more posts, wheel, CROSSERS(the biggest Giant killer of the decade) and for the love of everything football…throw a couple deep shots every drive or 2 to keep the defense honest. Doesn’t even have to be open, over throw it or give Golladay a chance, but when we aren’t even showing we’re willing to go deep, how the hell can the underneath **** work. The line is giving plenty of time so I don’t need that excuse. I do believe our lack of running game is a factor as well but Barkley, though not 100%, visibly looked more like his old self albeit he looked kinda gimpy after runs…Toney should be in the backfield if Barkley isn’t ready for a full workload yet, he’s got plenty of vision to be effective on tosses/sweeps etc /Rant with all due respect it doesn't sound like you've watched one minute of film I definitely don't love the schemes all the time but just about everything you typed in this post is pretty well off base with what is on the actual tape |
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Post by idkaname on Oct 1, 2021 20:04:58 GMT -5
I can’t stand the fact that pretty much every game I watch I see WRs wide open because of the route combinations of the other WRs/TEs picking/clearing the intended coverage. Aside from the blown coverage on Slayton, I can’t remember many another plays (I’m sure there’s gotta be a couple, at least I hope so) where our WR or TE is wide open and Jones is always forced to make a great throw or throw it away from the defenders side in tight coverage… Actually, one I do remember is Golladays catch near the 5-7 yard line, exactly what I’m looking for but usually it’s 2+ guys in the same area allowing one defender to cover underneath both of them while the safety’s can take away the top… One reason I believe this to be is too many routes that force a player to stop and wait…comebacks, curls, outs…these can be useful when you’re stretching the field but really it’s just limiting the abilities of our faster receivers cuz they have to stop, catch the ball, and then accelerate again… Need more posts, wheel, CROSSERS(the biggest Giant killer of the decade) and for the love of everything football…throw a couple deep shots every drive or 2 to keep the defense honest. Doesn’t even have to be open, over throw it or give Golladay a chance, but when we aren’t even showing we’re willing to go deep, how the hell can the underneath **** work. The line is giving plenty of time so I don’t need that excuse. I do believe our lack of running game is a factor as well but Barkley, though not 100%, visibly looked more like his old self albeit he looked kinda gimpy after runs…Toney should be in the backfield if Barkley isn’t ready for a full workload yet, he’s got plenty of vision to be effective on tosses/sweeps etc /Rant with all due respect it doesn't sound like you've watched one minute of film I definitely don't love the schemes all the time but just about everything you typed in this post is pretty well off base with what is on the actual tape watched more film this past year then you have in the last 5 buddy |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2021 20:12:56 GMT -5
with all due respect it doesn't sound like you've watched one minute of film I definitely don't love the schemes all the time but just about everything you typed in this post is pretty well off base with what is on the actual tape watched more film this past year then you have in the last 5 buddy highly doubtful and by the content of your original post it doesn't sound like you've watched one second... and frankly doesn't sound like you'd know what you were seeing if you did all due respect of course ... just doesn't sound like you understand what is happening. again ... I mean no disrespect |
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Post by IrishMike on Oct 1, 2021 20:44:37 GMT -5
Doesn't seem like moving the ball is the issue. They certainly seem much better than in many of the previous horrible seasons. IMO we can't do crap when it's crunch time. Twice (Broncos and Falcons I think) our D stopped them and got pinned around our 5 yard line. Several minutes left in the half. Perfect time for a sustained drive to get some points.....nope 3 and out and punt leading to them scoring a TD right before half.
Driving down against the Broncos needing a TD, Jones coughed it up (not an indictment on him for the record, 1 TO in 3 games is great). Chance to seal the win against the Skins...dropped ball in the end zone, another chance after the pick...can't get a first down. Chance to seal the game against the Falcons, drive stalls at mid field.
We have had our chances and could be winning games but we are not a clutch team right now and do our worst when we need it most.
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Post by vinnie on Oct 1, 2021 21:33:33 GMT -5
Almost 700 yards of total offense the past two weeks. I know, 800 yards is an even number and sounds better. How we, the chains are moving. Are biggest issues, other than that leaky faucet defense. Is, we can’t punch it in. We have hight and matchuo players now and they are not used inside the red zone the way they should be Dez Bryant had his most yards ever and 3rd most TD’s under JG as his OC. Pretty sure JG knows how to use the height advantages even in the red zone. |
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Post by bigbluebandit on Oct 3, 2021 7:09:28 GMT -5
We have hight and matchuo players now and they are not used inside the red zone the way they should be Dez Bryant had his most yards ever and 3rd most TD’s under JG as his OC. Pretty sure JG knows how to use the height advantages even in the red zone. Tony Romo was an established QB and was allowed to audible. Also, Dez started to get handcuffed BAD once he was in the run and stop system if u noticed. |
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