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Post by TCHOF on Oct 19, 2021 8:12:13 GMT -5
Is it me or is the "jump" taken by Daniel Jones this season non-existent, or at the least very exaggerated?
Through 6 games: 4 Passing TD's, 4 INT's, 5 fumbles
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Post by jb456 on Oct 19, 2021 8:19:12 GMT -5
Is it me or is the "jump" taken by Daniel Jones this season non-existent, or at the least very exaggerated? Through 6 games: 4 Passing TD's, 4 INT's, 5 fumbles It isn't just you. It looked like he turned a corner but he is still struggling. It will be up to the new GM to decide whether to give the guy another chance in 2022 or try to trade him and start over. I guess it would all depend if they like the QB's in the next draft class, if they think they can get the QB that they want and to a much lesser extent, what they can get for Jones (probably wouldn't be more that a 2nd).
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Post by nyg2 on Oct 19, 2021 8:29:21 GMT -5
Imo the only good game that Daniel Jones has had was the New Orleans game. It also happened to be the only game we won this year.
The folks who are claiming that Daniel Jones has made "progress" this season, are the same people last season who were using "he cut his fumbles in half from his rookie season" talking point.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 19, 2021 8:32:11 GMT -5
I think that he will ultimately be a good backup for another team. He has all of the traits. Has starting experience, plays well in spurts, is a smart guy, can make most throws, and is overall inconsistent. I would like for him to prove me wrong and exceed my expectations, but those overall statistics are Geno Smith like and are unacceptable in today's NFL. We don't give other QBs around the league any excuses, so why should we give him any? He really needs to step up.
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Post by southerner on Oct 19, 2021 8:37:20 GMT -5
Is it me or is the "jump" taken by Daniel Jones this season non-existent, or at the least very exaggerated? Through 6 games: 4 Passing TD's, 4 INT's, 5 fumbles True, but the team around stinks and the offensive line hits nobody. Any good WR he has, is standing on the sideline in street clothes and the Offensive Coordinator is the worst in the NFL. That said, and as suggested by another poster, it is the new GM’s decision to make. I think he will choose to keep Jones and use the picks to build the offensive line….bringing in a new high pick QB to get slaughtered like Jones because of a horrid offensive line seems silly at this point.
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Post by mj312 on Oct 19, 2021 8:41:30 GMT -5
It is so hard to really see what he has to offer because the team around him sucks so bad .. his receivers were ok early on but no playmakers at all .. slayton catches the pass in Washington we win that game .. I’ve been a harsh critic of Jones but there’s no way he should have been out there on Sunday throwing 51 passes .. the guy didn’t even know where he was 7 days prior.. Sundays bad game was on the giants all the way .. Joe judge is a moron for playing him and keeping him in while they were getting killed . the giants didn’t give a single crap about that kids health on Sunday ..
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Post by jb456 on Oct 19, 2021 8:43:58 GMT -5
Is it me or is the "jump" taken by Daniel Jones this season non-existent, or at the least very exaggerated? Through 6 games: 4 Passing TD's, 4 INT's, 5 fumbles True, but the team around stinks and the offensive line hits nobody. Any good WR he has, is standing on the sideline in street clothes and the Offensive Coordinator is the worst in the NFL. That said, and as suggested by another poster, it is the new GM’s decision to make. I think he will choose to keep Jones and use the picks to build the offensive line….bringing in a new high pick QB to get slaughtered like Jones because of a horrid offensive line seems silly at this point. This team is so dysfunctional at this point that I wouldn't be angry at any drastic decision that management made to try to right the ship. I don't know if there is any rookie QB that can come in here and do well. I don't hate Jones and i don't love him. It's kind of a whatever at this point...
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Post by giants8493 on Oct 19, 2021 8:54:45 GMT -5
He only had one bad game. He has 6 tds including running.
I bet he would have more of the was any sort of consistency in the receiver group. His top 4 wrs, te, and running back all missed significant time already.
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Post by krappdetector on Oct 19, 2021 9:15:13 GMT -5
I am no expert but when I saw the 47 minute video of the game plays this jumped out at me:
Daniel Jones is much better passing vertically than on crossing routes over the middle. Two turnovers in a row put Rams @nyg 10 and 14 yards resulting in quick TDs. Maybe DJ's lateral timing and/or peripheral vision cause failed plays and contribute to fumbles from pressure that he doesn't 'see coming'?
The defense is then put in a hole, and playing too far off-ball to defend quick developing plays in compressed spaces. In short our offensive failures feed directly into and amplify our defensive woes..the worst of both worlds. Does this sound right.. ?
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Post by fifthavephil on Oct 19, 2021 9:28:54 GMT -5
Everything needs to be perfect, for Jones to function. The NFL does not have that luxury. The Defense is paid to disrupt the offense, primarily the QB.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 19, 2021 9:40:58 GMT -5
Is it me or is the "jump" taken by Daniel Jones this season non-existent, or at the least very exaggerated? Through 6 games: 4 Passing TD's, 4 INT's, 5 fumbles sad just sad
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Post by jerky on Oct 19, 2021 9:54:15 GMT -5
Those stats look bad, but mostly because of one awful game. He has been playing his best ball this year.
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Post by Martin on Oct 19, 2021 9:54:52 GMT -5
I don't think the Giants get rid of Daniel Jones. No way. It's not what I want but this organization can't figure anything out. There decision making sucks. New GM? ha! that's laughable John Mara calls the shots with this one. The buck stops with him. There will be all kinds of excuses to keep DJ. The Giants are a freakin mess.
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Post by Giggles on Oct 19, 2021 10:03:41 GMT -5
There was never a big jump. He is allergic to scoring touchdowns.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 19, 2021 10:05:14 GMT -5
I think the jump was more eye driven than stat driven. His pocket presence seemed much better to me this year and you have to give credit to what he can do with his legs. Has two rushing TDs as well.
I think the lack of TD passes is a function of this offensive design more than anything. Jones had no issues throwing a shit ton of TDs as a rookie. But, ultimately, the guy should be throwing more TDs than he is.
I thought this was his only bad game this year, but it was super bad. Trying to do to much with everyone that matters on offense hurt except shep isn't a good idea. It leads to turnovers. He played awful. In that kind of situation, you have to pick your spots and hope things work out, not be a hero every play. When it rains it pours proved to be true on the one int where Shep fell down as well.
I do still think his mechanics were a lot cleaner as a rookie, and that's a super annoying thing. I'm a pretty big believer in the situation you're put in as a QB has a pretty huge effect on how you turn out. Jones has the physical tools, is smart, and works hard. No reason he shouldn't be successful. I think part of what we see is the fact he was put on the worst team in the NFL since 2017. I don't care that he changed systems, but it's tough for me to argue Joe Judge, Jason Garrett, and Jerry Schulpinksi have been better for him than Shurmur and Mike Shula. Who's to say his turnover reduction (minus this past week) wouldn't have happened with those guys? It probably would have, the result of gaining experience, in general.
I'd love to see Jones in an Andy Reid WCO or maybe something more similar to what he ran in college. The more time passes, the more I think this offense is a bad conceptual fit for him, and it's been poorly designed, so a double whammy on his production.
It's also not helpful the entire offense is hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2021 10:05:31 GMT -5
I think Jones will be here next year and possible a 5th year. He had a real bad game with an offensive line playing terrible and only one good receiver after the 1st series..
Don't know what people want as a starting QB moving forward but I think we are stuck with Jones for a couple of more years.. We can argue all the time if he's good enough but I just don't see any viable options at least for next year..
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Post by jaymas on Oct 19, 2021 10:08:37 GMT -5
Everything needs to be perfect, for Jones to function. The NFL does not have that luxury. The Defense is paid to disrupt the offense, primarily the QB. I don't think this is true. As rookie with far worse talent, the kid threw a lot of TDs and ran for some more. 4 games with 4 plus TDs (one of them 5), nothing to sniff at. His 16 game pace was around 30 TDs...would have been a record at the time. I blame this coaching staff and offensive design a lot. And right now, everyone that matters is hurt. Big games aren't going to come when every talented player is hurt for pretty much all QBs. But what Jones could do in that situation is not have a turnover filled mess when all his guys are out, do what you can, don't hero it. He still needs to learn a lot there.
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Post by jerky on Oct 19, 2021 10:08:43 GMT -5
Those stats look bad, but mostly because of one awful game. He has been playing his best ball this year. But if you look at his whole career his TDs total is awful. In a league built for scoring. True, but this thread is specifically about his "third year jump" this year. That assumes his first 2 years weren't good. He is playing well this year, last week was bad. Let's see how he does next week.
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Post by wtfjjk on Oct 19, 2021 10:10:16 GMT -5
Those stats look bad, but mostly because of one awful game. He has been playing his best ball this year. But if you look at his whole career his TDs total is awful. In a league built for scoring. Daniel "FG" Jones.
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Post by thetruth on Oct 19, 2021 10:10:17 GMT -5
Is it me or is the "jump" taken by Daniel Jones this season non-existent, or at the least very exaggerated? Through 6 games: 4 Passing TD's, 4 INT's, 5 fumbles I think our expectations of our QB have never been lower. As a fan base, we want/need DJ to be the guy to pretend we have hope over the next 2-3 years. Its good for the mindset
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Post by thetruth on Oct 19, 2021 10:13:01 GMT -5
He only had one bad game. He has 6 tds including running. I bet he would have more of the was any sort of consistency in the receiver group. His top 4 wrs, te, and running back all missed significant time already. QB scoring 1 TD/game would be bad in the 90's. In this day and age its comically bad, is there a QB that is in the same boat? I actually dont think there is a single QB averaging 1 combined TD per game other than DJ
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 19, 2021 10:14:29 GMT -5
This isn’t a jump, more like a trip.. The injury excuse works to a point, but he needs to play better. We can live with this when he’s making $7 million. We sure as shit can’t when he’s making north of $20 million.
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Post by te88 on Oct 19, 2021 10:14:57 GMT -5
The Giants are so bad that it feels impossible to separate Jones’ individual shortcomings from that of the team. I have no idea what we have in Daniel Jones - and I don’t think the Giants ever will.
Will not surprise me if he left and was inserted to some other team where he succeeded. There are certain things he does from time to time that are very elite.
I don’t know how a franchise QB is supposed to succeed here.
With all that being said it also wouldn’t surprise me if he never becomes an NFL starter. His statistics are alarming in this era of football.
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Post by hadenough on Oct 19, 2021 10:17:46 GMT -5
He's inconsistent. This year has been no different than the 1st couple years.
He got the Danny Dimes nickname after his 1st preseason game where he lite it up. Then he didn't.
Every year he has a few good games. Then a bunch of clunkers. This year may end up no different. We'll see.
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Post by SG88 on Oct 19, 2021 10:17:48 GMT -5
The Giants are so bad that it feels impossible to separate Jones’ individual shortcomings from that of the team. I have no idea what we have in Daniel Jones - and I don’t think the Giants ever will. Will not surprise me if he left and was inserted to some other team where he succeeded. There are certain things he does from time to time that are very elite. I don’t know how a franchise QB is supposed to succeed here. For all we know, he could possibly be a late bloomer similar to Ryan Tannehill in realizing his potential elsewhere. I think that he is destined to be a backup, but this isn't outside the realm of possibility.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 19, 2021 10:18:04 GMT -5
If I were prioritizing how to fix this shit show, QB would not be near the top of the list. Especially with a potential 2 more years of a rookie contract.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 19, 2021 10:22:07 GMT -5
Is it me or is the "jump" taken by Daniel Jones this season non-existent, or at the least very exaggerated? Through 6 games: 4 Passing TD's, 4 INT's, 5 fumbles I think if you employ the eyeball test you would have to conclude that DJ is a much better player. All his picks essentially came in his last game. He obviously had a dreadful game. It happens I guess.
His O line was decimated and so was his WR corps. Maybe that's an excuse. Maybe that's a reason. I'm not sure myself. But the reality is that he was playing very good football before this week.
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Post by te88 on Oct 19, 2021 10:22:56 GMT -5
The Giants are so bad that it feels impossible to separate Jones’ individual shortcomings from that of the team. I have no idea what we have in Daniel Jones - and I don’t think the Giants ever will. Will not surprise me if he left and was inserted to some other team where he succeeded. There are certain things he does from time to time that are very elite. I don’t know how a franchise QB is supposed to succeed here. For all we know, he could possibly be a late bloomer similar to Ryan Tannehill in realizing his potential elsewhere. I think that he is destined to be a backup, but this isn't outside the realm of possibility. Late bloomer or just saddled with a garbage franchise starting out (or both). Tannehill had the Dolphins, Brees had the eary 2000s chargers….Jones has the Giants
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 19, 2021 10:24:54 GMT -5
Those stats look bad, but mostly because of one awful game. He has been playing his best ball this year. [br The bad game makes it look like bad optics The #notmyqb people conveniently have picked this week to come out of hiding but the facts are that actually up until Thomas went down he looked the part Hell,2nd drive he was moving around the pocket,eyes downfield feeling the pressure on a play and hit Shepard for a 1st down.... Rest of the game was a perfect storm of bad. No qb can function like that.. For those that say he sucks because he needs everything perfect? When has it been perfect this year? When has he had all his playmakers,running game and a healthy O line this year. When has he had someone who knew how to call plays inside tbe 10 that would allow for success? He carried the team on his back against New Orleans minus 2 good recievers Up until the 2nd quarter this past weekend he was playing at a high level with much lower than perfect around him .
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 19, 2021 10:26:12 GMT -5
The Giants are so bad that it feels impossible to separate Jones’ individual shortcomings from that of the team. I have no idea what we have in Daniel Jones - and I don’t think the Giants ever will. Will not surprise me if he left and was inserted to some other team where he succeeded. There are certain things he does from time to time that are very elite. I don’t know how a franchise QB is supposed to succeed here. With all that being said it also wouldn’t surprise me if he never becomes an NFL starter. His statistics are alarming in this era of football. I fear he can have a Drew Brees type career elsewhere while his replacement brings us back to a Brown/Kanell/Graham type era of qb play...
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