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Post by infinite420 on Oct 19, 2021 8:33:28 GMT -5
......would be my #1 target in the offseason for HC after Judge gets canned. Were in dire need of a change. He saved Garrett's job for his last few years in Dallas. Id credit him for Dallas's success this year as well, as Quinn's defense is almost as horrible as ours and McCarthy is no guru.
Have to look at the teams like Buffalo, Arizona, LA Rams.......all creative young football minds, succeeding. Hell, Siriani in Philly, seems like a better coaching prospect than Judge.
One quality I hugely admired about Tom Coughlin, he ALWAYS took the blame for losses. Not sure in JJs tenure here he's done that once, could be wrong. You hear a presser from Siriani, he takes full blame.
If youre a player, and your coach has a halfass gameplan and you get creampied by halftime, do you want your coach not taking any of that heat, placing it all on you?
JJ was a panic hire, because were a cheap organization and didnt want pony up for Rhule. Judge is the definition of a snakeoil salesman and the longer Mara buys into what hes selling, the longer the rebuild will take....If it were up to me, Id can Judge, promote Garrett and Kitchens, get some accountability in there and see what we have.
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Post by southerner on Oct 19, 2021 8:40:37 GMT -5
I would like that choice. If possible, I would hire him this week.
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Post by nick030567 on Oct 19, 2021 8:46:51 GMT -5
So why didn't they just hire Garrett as HC? Garrett was a bad hire thus far. For how many years did he have stacked rosters with the Cowboys only to underachieve?
Late last year no one could stop them running the football. So what did he do?? Abandon and neglect the run and go pass heavy.
Did those route concepts help get the subpar WRs open?? Not even close. Many of them looked straight out of 1985. Ya gotta give those guys a hand and not run a vanilla route scheme. It's easy to defend.
At least under Judge the OL was stable for a few weeks until the Rams game..
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Post by jb456 on Oct 19, 2021 8:48:43 GMT -5
I would like that choice. If possible, I would hire him this week. What the hell, why not. It's not like it can get any worse than getting eliminated before October and getting your butt kicked at home by more than 3 TDs.
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Post by nick030567 on Oct 19, 2021 8:50:16 GMT -5
What gives you confidence that Kellen Moore could be a good HC ?? Because he just seems like a lifetime coordinator. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it's something to be proud of.
I just don't know if it's time to make him HC already. Know what I mean? He looks like he's 14 for one lol.
The first person I would fire would be Garrett, if I were to fire anyone.
And the only reason I don't fully trust Judge is because he hasn't interfered with some of Garrett's stupid play calls. Garrett has zero situational awareness. And Judge is a moron for playing Jones when he's injured, in a blowout. 🙄🙄
In the red zone his play calling looks like it's being done by a guy who has never watched football. Some of it IS a lack of execution. But he looks even more lost than his players with some of his decisions.
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Post by Nite on Oct 19, 2021 8:50:21 GMT -5
Not a bad choice. But I would just let Garrett go and consider Kitchens for OC. I also like Lane Kiffin for HC and I'm intrigued by Matt Corrall...
However DG cannot be around, hes gotta go!!. He will screw it up
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Post by fifthavephil on Oct 19, 2021 8:55:31 GMT -5
Wasn’t K. Moore , a player, QB coach and OC under Garrett.
Then you may get another Garrett.
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Post by bigblueones on Oct 19, 2021 15:36:53 GMT -5
Everyone is forgetting one very important thing here. Dallas has players who have talent and can produce (and possibly a better strength and conditioning program). They have an O line. TWO productive RB's, a QB better than ours and legit WR's. Fire Gettleman first. He had ONE job above all else- fix the O line. He gets an F there. And he haven't hit salary cap hell yet.
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Post by jaymas on Oct 20, 2021 15:09:32 GMT -5
Everyone is forgetting one very important thing here. Dallas has players who have talent and can produce (and possibly a better strength and conditioning program). They have an O line. TWO productive RB's, a QB better than ours and legit WR's. Fire Gettleman first. He had ONE job above all else- fix the O line. He gets an F there. And he haven't hit salary cap hell yet. The Giants have very legit WRs. None of them are currently healthy and playing football except Shep. The top line talent is hurt and the depth is hurt. John Ross didn't even practice today, I've never seen anything like this absolute evisceration of one position group.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Oct 20, 2021 15:32:12 GMT -5
Everyone is forgetting one very important thing here. Dallas has players who have talent and can produce (and possibly a better strength and conditioning program). They have an O line. TWO productive RB's, a QB better than ours and legit WR's. Fire Gettleman first. He had ONE job above all else- fix the O line. He gets an F there. And he haven't hit salary cap hell yet. The Giants have very legit WRs. None of them are currently healthy and playing football except Shep. The top line talent is hurt and the depth is hurt. John Ross didn't even practice today, I've never seen anything like this absolute evisceration of one position group. i haven't either bro. Something is very very wronog
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 20, 2021 15:47:36 GMT -5
Not a bad choice. But I would just let Garrett go and consider Kitchens for OC. I also like Lane Kiffin for HC and I'm intrigued by Matt Corrall... However DG cannot be around, hes gotta go!!. He will screw it up Lane Kiffin is a douchebag. And Kitchens rode Mayfields coattails. As for Moore, he’s the new flavor of the month. We’ve hired enough of those guys. We’re in the predicament were in, in part to hiring the next hot shot assistant.
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Post by snyder55 on Oct 20, 2021 16:08:13 GMT -5
I don't have the answers to a lot of things but I felt Garrett was a terrible choice when he came here and still do..
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 20, 2021 18:31:01 GMT -5
I don't have the answers to a lot of things but I felt Garrett was a terrible choice when he came here and still do.. Methinks he really wasn't Judge's choice either
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Oct 20, 2021 18:50:21 GMT -5
There is nobody that looks like an "Oh Boy" hire to me. GM or coach. For the life of me I don't see why all the excitement on this board over Kitchens ?
Some want Garrett promoted to replace Judge, some want Garrett fired and Kitchens to replace him. Others want all 3 fired immediately Gettlemen, Judge, and Garrett.
Who Knows ?
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Post by Eazy E on Oct 20, 2021 19:11:05 GMT -5
What about LSU Head Coach Ed Orgeron. 49-17 overall record. He is out at LSU after the season is over. Has a National Championship under his belt. Seems like a pretty intense dude. Might be good with the NY media because its so damn hard to understand him sometimes. .....Thoughts? Of course Mara might not want to pay for him.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 20, 2021 19:16:05 GMT -5
What about LSU Head Coach Ed Orgeron. 49-17 overall record. He is out at LSU after the season is over. Has a National Championship under his belt. Seems like a pretty intense dude. Might be good with the NY media because its so damn hard to understand him sometimes. .....Thoughts? Of course Mara might not want to pay for him. Have you read why he is out? Bad look for him right now
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Post by Eazy E on Oct 20, 2021 19:17:11 GMT -5
I haven't.
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Post by allnygin on Oct 20, 2021 21:19:38 GMT -5
Forward thinknig, young, offensive mind.. It would be worth looking into.. However, I think Jerry is probably grooming him.
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Post by infinite420 on Oct 21, 2021 9:33:21 GMT -5
Not a bad choice. But I would just let Garrett go and consider Kitchens for OC. I also like Lane Kiffin for HC and I'm intrigued by Matt Corrall... However DG cannot be around, hes gotta go!!. He will screw it up Lane Kiffin is a douchebag. And Kitchens rode Mayfields coattails. As for Moore, he’s the new flavor of the month. We’ve hired enough of those guys. We’re in the predicament were in, in part to hiring the next hot shot assistant. Flavor of the month? Hardly.......the guy has coordinated one of the best offenses in football for 4-5 years, the same offense that struggled under Garretts playcalling. Someone is going to get the next McVay, Kingsbury with him at the helm.
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Post by jmike on Oct 21, 2021 11:15:45 GMT -5
There is nobody that looks like an "Oh Boy" hire to me. GM or coach. For the life of me I don't see why all the excitement on this board over Kitchens ? Some want Garrett promoted to replace Judge, some want Garrett fired and Kitchens to replace him. Others want all 3 fired immediately Gettlemen, Judge, and Garrett. Who Knows ? As long as Mara is still deciding who to hire as GM and HC; it really doesn't matter who gets replaced we will remain in the same place until the organization changes how it does things.
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Post by Morehead State on Oct 21, 2021 11:24:28 GMT -5
Lane Kiffin is a douchebag. And Kitchens rode Mayfields coattails. As for Moore, he’s the new flavor of the month. We’ve hired enough of those guys. We’re in the predicament were in, in part to hiring the next hot shot assistant. Flavor of the month? Hardly.......the guy has coordinated one of the best offenses in football for 4-5 years, the same offense that struggled under Garretts playcalling. Someone is going to get the next McVay, Kingsbury with him at the helm. How did he do last year when they were down some guys? THAT is the test.
It's not hard to run a good offense when you have 2 great WR's, a great QB, a great RB and an outstanding O line.
I don't know if this kid would be a good HC or not, but running a successful offense with a lot of outstanding players isn't enough to let us know.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 21, 2021 11:25:30 GMT -5
There is nobody that looks like an "Oh Boy" hire to me. GM or coach. For the life of me I don't see why all the excitement on this board over Kitchens ? Some want Garrett promoted to replace Judge, some want Garrett fired and Kitchens to replace him. Others want all 3 fired immediately Gettlemen, Judge, and Garrett. Who Knows ? GM hires generally don't have a wow factor to them... The best ones are guys nobody has heard of that come out of nowhere Can anyone tell me who the GM in Buffalo has been that made that team a legit super bowl contender? Honestly IMO I'll be happy with a fresh face from a successful front office
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 21, 2021 11:27:42 GMT -5
Flavor of the month? Hardly.......the guy has coordinated one of the best offenses in football for 4-5 years, the same offense that struggled under Garretts playcalling. Someone is going to get the next McVay, Kingsbury with him at the helm. How did he do last year when they were down some guys? THAT is the test.
It's not hard to run a good offense when you have 2 great WR's, a great QB, a great RB and an outstanding O line.
I don't know if this kid would be a good HC or not, but running a successful offense with a lot of outstanding players isn't enough to let us know.
Where I come from that's called fools gold. The funny thing is Washington was not ever spectacular when McVay was OC...his claim to fame was Cousins becoming an above average qb
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Post by thetruth on Oct 21, 2021 11:27:47 GMT -5
Coordinator only. IMO. But he is young
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Post by thetruth on Oct 21, 2021 11:28:16 GMT -5
Also has a boatload of talent to work with over there.
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 21, 2021 11:35:05 GMT -5
Coordinator only. IMO. But he is young That is the major problem with young hot shot coordinators,and it's not just us They are not ready for full responsibility of having to be more CEO at the next step up And often what happens is many times they don't get the OC they want that runs their system and then they have to be de facto OC/playcaller which takes away from being said CEO (twice witb us Mac wanted Philbin and we had to being in Sullivan,same with Shurmer not getting Stepnoski ) At this point I'm actually leaning college coach (Shaw is always number 1 on my list,and the advantage with him is that if he is their top choice they bring him in first and hire him on the spot because he is a Rooney Rule interview as well so he gets a head start on his staff,but Kiffen,Lincoln Riley Also Watching what Antonio Pierce has done in Arizona.....
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Post by giantlegacy on Oct 21, 2021 12:49:12 GMT -5
GM hires generally don't have a wow factor to them... The best ones are guys nobody has heard of that come out of nowhere Can anyone tell me who the GM in Buffalo has been that made that team a legit super bowl contender? Honestly IMO I'll be happy with a fresh face from a successful front office He was part of CAR’s personnel/GM departments for 18 years and part of 7 playoff appearances and 2 Super Bowl appearances. I'm pretty sure he probably came over with McDermott then...so same page from day one and same vision But my point of did this guy have a wow factor when hired? Probably not,but apparently he knows what he is doing and was being foward thinking with building a roster to compete in this era,unlike his geritol addicted boss that we are stuck with.. Unfortunately i have zero confidence we even make a feeble attempt to go outside the organization to find such a guy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2021 12:55:04 GMT -5
whoever comes in, we need a roster. the better the player on the giants, the more theyre hurt, and a scrap heap is behind them. the chances of golladay, ross, toney, and saquon all playing in a few games together is about zilch, and after them we have nothing. we also need a tight end. i thought we had one in kaden smith but the giants dont play him.
we're gonna keep going round and round til this roster is packed with good players beyond the starting hurt squad.
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Post by nygiantfanalways on Oct 21, 2021 13:38:23 GMT -5
......would be my #1 target in the offseason for HC after Judge gets canned. Were in dire need of a change. He saved Garrett's job for his last few years in Dallas. Id credit him for Dallas's success this year as well, as Quinn's defense is almost as horrible as ours and McCarthy is no guru. Have to look at the teams like Buffalo, Arizona, LA Rams.......all creative young football minds, succeeding. Hell, Siriani in Philly, seems like a better coaching prospect than Judge. One quality I hugely admired about Tom Coughlin, he ALWAYS took the blame for losses. Not sure in JJs tenure here he's done that once, could be wrong. You hear a presser from Siriani, he takes full blame. If youre a player, and your coach has a halfass gameplan and you get creampied by halftime, do you want your coach not taking any of that heat, placing it all on you? JJ was a panic hire, because were a cheap organization and didnt want pony up for Rhule. Judge is the definition of a snakeoil salesman and the longer Mara buys into what hes selling, the longer the rebuild will take....If it were up to me, Id can Judge, promote Garrett and Kitchens, get some accountability in there and see what we have. No way Jerry Jones lets Kellen Moore walk to a division rival.
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Post by Kruunch on Oct 21, 2021 16:25:23 GMT -5
Lane Kiffin is a douchebag. And Kitchens rode Mayfields coattails. As for Moore, he’s the new flavor of the month. We’ve hired enough of those guys. We’re in the predicament were in, in part to hiring the next hot shot assistant. Flavor of the month? Hardly.......the guy has coordinated one of the best offenses in football for 4-5 years, the same offense that struggled under Garretts playcalling. Someone is going to get the next McVay, Kingsbury with him at the helm. That must be something. Being, that’s he’s been an OC for only two years.. Bright mind no doubt, but let’s hold off on anointing him just yet.
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