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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2021 13:05:40 GMT -5
He is never going to be that top tier QB. He's not "elite", he's never going to that guy that can make a defense look foolish consistently by carving them up surgically like a petyon or brady. He may not have the clutch gene like Eli...
but he can be good enough to lead an offense to the playoffs, I won't say win a championship, bc I have not really ever seen him step up and win a big game yet, bc he really hasn't had the opportunity due to roster limitations. It's really hard to analyse him giving the oline and play calling, but I think this is a pretty fair depiction of this guy.
I think we're in no rush to get a new QB, but if the opportunity arises and an elite level prospect is there at some point in the future, the giants should probably jump on it.
Jones is good, but I don't see his ceiling as great.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 13:14:00 GMT -5
Awesome another thread about Jones and should the team resign him!!
I'm still hoping the team waits as long as possible before committing to the 5th year option or an extension..
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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2021 13:14:52 GMT -5
Awesome another thread about Jones and should the team resign him!! I'm still hoping the team waits as long as possible before committing to the 5th year option or an extension.. Go Giants! |
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 8, 2021 13:19:05 GMT -5
He’s an enigma. Sherlock Holmes and Columbo couldn’t figure this guy out.
One week, he’s great. The next, he’s a game manager. And let’s put the injuries to the side. Welcome to the NFL, where all 32 teams deal with adversities.
If this is his ceiling, then we should all want better. Or, we’ll be scrapping our heads with this one. This is the season where teams get a good feel of what they have at the most important position. We on the other hand, have no idea.. I will say this, this is all moot if we get a GM from outside the building. He will not be saddled with someone else’s baggage.
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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2021 13:24:32 GMT -5
If this is his ceiling, then we should all want better. Or, we’ll be scrapping our heads with this one. This is the season where teams get a good feel of what they have at the most important position. We on the other hand, have no idea.. I will say this, this is all moot if we get a GM from outside the building. He will not be saddled with someone else’s baggage. This. That being said - this offseason doesn't look real promising with regards to acquiring new QB talent so I'm cool with giving him playing the part as a bridge to the new QB or figures out how to play well consistently. You're right with the GM and hopefully it is from outside of the building. |
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Post by nyg2 on Nov 8, 2021 13:25:26 GMT -5
To paraphrase:
"We know what he is, but we also don't know because of the injuries."
"He's not going to be 'the' guy, but he can be 'a' guy."
"We shouldn't draft a QB, but we if happen to like a prospect we should take him."
Your post is all over the place...
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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2021 13:31:05 GMT -5
To paraphrase: "We know what he is, but we also don't know because of the injuries." "He's not going to be 'the' guy, but he can be 'a' guy." "We shouldn't draft a QB, but we if happen to like a prospect we should take him." Your post is all over the place... He'll be good, never great is my premise with or without injuries. It made it harder to analyze him which it did, has it not? We should not draft a QB this year bc prospects are weak, however, we should when they are. It doesn't take more than half a brain cell to figure out the context |
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Post by jb456 on Nov 8, 2021 13:32:50 GMT -5
He is never going to be that top tier QB. He's not "elite", he's never going to that guy that can make a defense look foolish consistently by carving them up surgically like a petyon or brady. He may not have the clutch gene like Eli... but he can be good enough to lead an offense to the playoffs, I won't say win a championship, bc I have not really ever seen him step up and win a big game yet, bc he really hasn't had the opportunity due to roster limitations. It's really hard to analyse him giving the oline and play calling, but I think this is a pretty fair depiction of this guy. I think we're in no rush to get a new QB, but if the opportunity arises and an elite level prospect is there at some point in the future, the giants should probably jump on it. Jones is good, but I don't see his ceiling as great. This past game shouldn't tell you anything about Jones. The game plan was to attack their 27th ranked run defense and stay away from their 1st rank QB hits and top 5 QB pressures (maybe top 3?). I'm not sure about Jones at this point but it's hard to judge the guy when he isn't working with a functional OL and the game plan is to keep it on the ground... |
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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2021 13:34:39 GMT -5
He is never going to be that top tier QB. He's not "elite", he's never going to that guy that can make a defense look foolish consistently by carving them up surgically like a petyon or brady. He may not have the clutch gene like Eli... but he can be good enough to lead an offense to the playoffs, I won't say win a championship, bc I have not really ever seen him step up and win a big game yet, bc he really hasn't had the opportunity due to roster limitations. It's really hard to analyse him giving the oline and play calling, but I think this is a pretty fair depiction of this guy. I think we're in no rush to get a new QB, but if the opportunity arises and an elite level prospect is there at some point in the future, the giants should probably jump on it. Jones is good, but I don't see his ceiling as great. This past game shouldn't tell you anything about Jones. The game plan was to attack their 27th ranked run defense and stay away from their 1st rank QB hits and top 5 QB pressures (maybe top 3?). I'm not sure about Jones at this point but it's hard to judge the guy when he isn't working with a functional OL and the game plan is to keep it on the ground... That is all fair. I think i've seen enough to have a pretty good idea on the player he'll be IMO at least, but I certainly get what you're saying and its not wrong. |
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Post by nyg2 on Nov 8, 2021 13:44:58 GMT -5
To paraphrase: "We know what he is, but we also don't know because of the injuries." "He's not going to be 'the' guy, but he can be 'a' guy." "We shouldn't draft a QB, but we if happen to like a prospect we should take him." Your post is all over the place... He'll be good, never great is my premise with or without injuries. It made it harder to analyze him which it did, has it not? We should not draft a QB this year bc prospects are weak, however, we should when they are. It doesn't take more than half a brain cell to figure out the context If you're saying that the injuries have severely impacted the evaluation process, how can you have reached a conclusion on him? You think he can lead us to the playoffs, but at the same time we should draft a replacement, you tell me the last time a young QB has taken his team to the playoffs and the following year they draft a QB in the first round. Sorry, but your position is the ultimate cop out. |
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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2021 13:47:59 GMT -5
He'll be good, never great is my premise with or without injuries. It made it harder to analyze him which it did, has it not? We should not draft a QB this year bc prospects are weak, however, we should when they are. It doesn't take more than half a brain cell to figure out the context If you're saying that the injuries have severely impacted the evaluation process, how can you have reached a conclusion on him? You think he can lead us to the playoffs, but at the same time we should draft a replacement, you tell me the last time a young QB has taken his team to the playoffs and the following year they draft a QB in the first round. Sorry, but your position is ultimate cop out. I would not say "severely" I have had enough time watching him to have a feel for what he is with or without injuries. It would be a pretty weak standpoint not to add it as context to my opinion though as it has had an impact, but not enough to be like.. oh well we can truly know who jones is until he has an entire year without his teamates getting injured. How is it a cop out.. I"m saying jones is good not great. end of story. He's an Alex Smith really at best. What is your standpoint? Also, I'm not saying expectations for any QB should be playoffs immediately being drafted. Where did that come from? |
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Post by jb456 on Nov 8, 2021 13:49:29 GMT -5
This past game shouldn't tell you anything about Jones. The game plan was to attack their 27th ranked run defense and stay away from their 1st rank QB hits and top 5 QB pressures (maybe top 3?). I'm not sure about Jones at this point but it's hard to judge the guy when he isn't working with a functional OL and the game plan is to keep it on the ground... That is all fair. I think i've seen enough to have a pretty good idea on the player he'll be IMO at least, but I certainly get what you're saying and its not wrong. I'm 50/50 on Jones but I don't think we will ever know what the guy is until he has at least a slightly below average Oline, has weapons on the field that aren't injured and an offensive coordinator that isn't Jason Garrett. I was listening the Giants post game yesterday and even Harry Carson mentioned that the Giants were terrible in the red zone and try to get cute. They mentioned these ineffective jumbo packages they are running and in the red zone. The Giants always seem to believe that they can play smashmouth football with backups and players that might struggle to make a roster next year. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 13:53:46 GMT -5
He'll be good, never great is my premise with or without injuries. It made it harder to analyze him which it did, has it not? We should not draft a QB this year bc prospects are weak, however, we should when they are. It doesn't take more than half a brain cell to figure out the context If you're saying that the injuries have severely impacted the evaluation process, how can you have reached a conclusion on him? You think he can lead us to the playoffs, but at the same time we should draft a replacement, you tell me the last time a young QB has taken his team to the playoffs and the following year they draft a QB in the first round.Sorry, but your position is the ultimate cop out. The Chief's did it after winning like 12 games a few years ago.. I'm also thinking the Packers did it twice once with Rogers then again with Love but I am too lazy to confirm.. |
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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2021 13:58:52 GMT -5
That is all fair. I think i've seen enough to have a pretty good idea on the player he'll be IMO at least, but I certainly get what you're saying and its not wrong. I'm 50/50 on Jones but I don't think we will ever know what the guy is until he has at least a slightly below average Oline, has weapons on the field that aren't injured and an offensive coordinator that isn't Jason Garrett. I was listening the Giants post game yesterday and even Harry Carson mentioned that the Giants were terrible in the red zone and try to get cute. They mentioned these ineffective jumbo packages they are running and in the red zone. The Giants always seem to believe that they can play smashmouth football with backups and players that might struggle to make a roster next year. Yeah, I totally get it Garrett does seem like a hinderance as well as the other factors, I've just feel like I've seen enough of jones to kind of have a pretty solid gage on the type of player he'll be. Obviously, that doesn't mean its correct, but to me he's a good player at best. |
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Post by McCherry on Nov 8, 2021 13:59:25 GMT -5
He's a franchise QB. To what level, we don't fully know. There are plenty of franchise QB's around the league who aren't "elite"'. Baker Mayfield is a good example.
But saying Jones will "never be this, or that"... You have no idea what his ceiling is. Eli should've taught you that lesson.
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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2021 14:04:26 GMT -5
He's a franchise QB. To what level, we don't fully know. There are plenty of franchise QB's around the league who aren't "elite"'. Baker Mayfield is a good example. But saying Jones will "never be this, or that"... You have no idea what his ceiling is. Eli should've taught you that lesson. I'm saying it as opinion obviously it can't be fact. I do not disagree that that Jones cant be a Franchise QB i'm just saying I haven't seen glimpses of greatness and I don't think Mayfield is a great QB either.. He's good, not great. Jones to me is good not great |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 14:06:44 GMT -5
He's a franchise QB. To what level, we don't fully know. There are plenty of franchise QB's around the league who aren't "elite"'. Baker Mayfield is a good example. But saying Jones will "never be this, or that"... You have no idea what his ceiling is. Eli should've taught you that lesson. I'm saying it as opinion obviously it can't be fact. I do not disagree that that Jones cant be a Franchise QB i'm just saying I haven't seen glimpses of greatness and I don't think Mayfield is a great QB either.. He's good, not great. Jones to me is good not great Can you name the great QBs that are currently playing? |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 8, 2021 14:06:56 GMT -5
I'm wondering if fans in Jacksonville are having this same discussion about Lawrence because he couldn't lift the absolute garbage he has around him to be over 500 in his first 8 games(yes it could be worse)
And this is a guy we all agree we thought would be elite out of the box but even he can't lift garbage to above garbage...
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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2021 14:07:12 GMT -5
I'm saying it as opinion obviously it can't be fact. I do not disagree that that Jones cant be a Franchise QB i'm just saying I haven't seen glimpses of greatness and I don't think Mayfield is a great QB either.. He's good, not great. Jones to me is good not great Can you name the great QBs that are currently playing? there really isn't many to be honest. |
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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2021 14:08:58 GMT -5
I'm wondering if fans in Jacksonville are having this same discussion about Lawrence because he couldn't lift the absolute garbage he has around him to be over 500 in his first 8 games(yes it could be worse) And this is a guy we all agree we thought would be elite out of the box but even he can't lift garbage to above garbage... It would be totally unfair to even really have an opinion on Lawrence at this point, but I wouldn't be suprised if jax fans are already calling him the B word Thats just how fanbases can be in general bc some fans are overeactionary without taking into consideration logic. |
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Post by DJones19 on Nov 8, 2021 14:10:19 GMT -5
Jones has been improving year over year..I don't see why he doesn't continue to improve and eventually become great.
32 teams thought Tom Brady had a low ceiling. Heck...they still thought that at Michigan - They said Henson was the guy with the "upside".
Gil Brandt sees Peyton Manning in Jones and if anyone knows football it's Gil.
Still room for improvement but I've been seeing it year over year. Jones is already a mid-tier QB on a offense with 50+% practice squaders and backups.
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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2021 14:11:49 GMT -5
Jones has been improving year over year..I don't see why he doesn't continue to improve and eventually become great. 32 teams thought Tom Brady had a low ceiling. Heck...they still thought that at Michigan - They said Henson was the guy with the "upside". Gil Brandt sees Peyton Manning in Jones and if anyone knows football it's Gil. Still room for improvement but I've been seeing it year over year. Jones is already a mid-tier QB on a offense with 50+% practice squaders and backups. He has been improving for sure and hopefully he does become great - I don't see it, I see him a good QB, but that doesn't mean anything and I'd certainly like to be wrong, but I just feel like I've seen enough to no better at this point. Lets hope he does become "Great" for the sake of being GIants fans. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 14:16:32 GMT -5
Can you name the great QBs that are currently playing? there really isn't many to be honest. lmao.. ok I just thought you would share more of your opinions on this subject.. |
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Post by kerryisdaman on Nov 8, 2021 14:19:13 GMT -5
Awesome another thread about Jones and should the team resign him!! I'm still hoping the team waits as long as possible before committing to the 5th year option or an extension.. That would be the only wise thing to do because there actually is no way to know how DJ would play with a real team on offense at this point in time. |
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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2021 14:19:33 GMT -5
there really isn't many to be honest. lmao.. ok I just thought you would share more of your opinions on this subject.. what do you mean. Active QBs (including injured, or out for whatever reason).. Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Watson, Mahomes even with the bad year, possibly Allen... I kind of thought that would go without saying, but I guess not. |
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Post by Giggles on Nov 8, 2021 14:22:33 GMT -5
Based on what I've seen, he's a borderline starter in this league.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 14:24:29 GMT -5
lmao.. ok I just thought you would share more of your opinions on this subject.. what do you mean. Active QBs (including injured, or out for whatever reason).. Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Watson, Mahomes even with the bad year, possibly Allen... I kind of thought that would go without saying, but I guess not. Thanks for the answer and I'm kind of surprised you don't think too highly of a past MVP or a 2 time SB winner.. I kind of think you are looking for some attention so with out saying I was throwing some stuff at you to help you out.. I guess I'll stop.. |
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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2021 14:25:52 GMT -5
what do you mean. Active QBs (including injured, or out for whatever reason).. Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Watson, Mahomes even with the bad year, possibly Allen... I kind of thought that would go without saying, but I guess not. Thanks for the answer and I'm kind of surprised you don't think too highly of a past MVP or a 2 time SB winner.. I kind of think you are looking for some attention so with out saying I was throwing some stuff at you to help you out.. I guess I'll stop.. Please do, thank you sir. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2021 14:31:12 GMT -5
Thanks for the answer and I'm kind of surprised you don't think too highly of a past MVP or a 2 time SB winner.. I kind of think you are looking for some attention so with out saying I was throwing some stuff at you to help you out.. I guess I'll stop.. Please do, thank you sir. With great pleasure! All the best to you.. |
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Post by allnygin on Nov 8, 2021 14:31:52 GMT -5
Please do, thank you sir. With great pleasure! All the best to you.. Go Giants! |
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