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Post by Morehead State on May 25, 2018 7:28:27 GMT -5
As I said before. Pettiness is very common among successful NFL head coaches.
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Post by Delicreep on May 25, 2018 8:38:07 GMT -5
As I said before. Pettiness is very common among successful NFL head coaches. I would guess this is true for most successful coaches as well, particularly old school coaches like Tom and Bill. You get with the program, and if you don't, you are of no use to me.
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Post by Zimonami on May 25, 2018 8:39:47 GMT -5
As I said before. Pettiness is very common among successful NFL head coaches. Absolutely. It almost goes with the territory. We hear generalizations about certain occupations...lawyers, doctors, CEO types, athletes. It takes a certain set of brain characteristics that drive a person into those certain occupations. And, a lot of the traits of people at the top of their trade is a certain amount of narcissism/ego about the fact that they HAVE achieved the pinnacle. After all, in this whole country, there are 32 NFL Head Coaches. I dislocated my shoulder playing football my senior year... bad. it took 4 hours to get it back in. Done with sports for a year the doc says. My frosh BB coach is now the varsity BB coach. We were 22-4 as freshmen. Everyone knew we were going to have a winning season my senior year. But, I can't play, and I was always our point guard, top scorer and even rebounder. . Now, the team is 4 and 14, and everyone... certain teachers and students, were downright hostile to me... seriously... we're losing because you're not playing. I tell my mom I want her permission to override the doctor and she says OK. First game that week coach keeps me on the bench till 2 minutes in the half. I go in and hit 3 straight jumpers to help bring us back even at the half. I never played in the second half, nor for a single minute of the rest of the season... 7 more games I ride the bench. After the season he comes up to me and says, I'll bet you wondered why I never let you play? Well, yeah, I was wondering, but guessed I didn't deserve to play for missing most of the season. Damned right, he said. really angrily. The whole season was lost because of you, and I wasn't about to let any college scouts see you play so you could get a scholarship. And he turned and walked away.
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Post by Morehead State on May 25, 2018 8:43:58 GMT -5
As I said before. Pettiness is very common among successful NFL head coaches. Absolutely. It almost goes with the territory. We hear generalizations about certain occupations...lawyers, doctors, CEO types, athletes. It takes a certain set of brain characteristics that drive a person into those certain occupations. And, a lot of the traits of people at the top of their trade is a certain amount of narcissism/ego about the fact that they HAVE achieved the pinnacle. After all, in this whole country, there are 32 NFL Head Coaches. I dislocated my shoulder playing football my senior year... bad. it took 4 hours to get it back in. Done with sports for a year the doc says. My frosh BB coach is now the varsity BB coach. We were 22-4 as freshmen. Everyone knew we were going to have a winning season my senior year. But, I can't play, and I was always our point guard, top scorer and even rebounder. . Now, the team is 4 and 14, and everyone... certain teachers and students, were downright hostile to me... seriously... we're losing because you're not playing. I tell my mom I want her permission to override the doctor and she says OK. First game that week coach keeps me on the bench till 2 minutes in the half. I go in and hit 3 straight jumpers to help bring us back even at the half. I never played in the second half, nor for a single minute of the rest of the season... 7 more games I ride the bench. After the season he comes up to me and says, I'll bet you wondered why I never let you play? Well, yeah, I was wondering, but guessed I didn't deserve to play for missing most of the season. Damned right, he said. really angrily. The whole season was lost because of you, and I wasn't about to let any college scouts see you play so you could get a scholarship. And he turned and walked away. Wow.......I doubt even TC would have done that......
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Post by Sarcasman on May 25, 2018 16:13:20 GMT -5
As I said before. Pettiness is very common among successful NFL head coaches. Absolutely. It almost goes with the territory. We hear generalizations about certain occupations...lawyers, doctors, CEO types, athletes. It takes a certain set of brain characteristics that drive a person into those certain occupations. And, a lot of the traits of people at the top of their trade is a certain amount of narcissism/ego about the fact that they HAVE achieved the pinnacle. After all, in this whole country, there are 32 NFL Head Coaches. I dislocated my shoulder playing football my senior year... bad. it took 4 hours to get it back in. Done with sports for a year the doc says. My frosh BB coach is now the varsity BB coach. We were 22-4 as freshmen. Everyone knew we were going to have a winning season my senior year. But, I can't play, and I was always our point guard, top scorer and even rebounder. . Now, the team is 4 and 14, and everyone... certain teachers and students, were downright hostile to me... seriously... we're losing because you're not playing. I tell my mom I want her permission to override the doctor and she says OK. First game that week coach keeps me on the bench till 2 minutes in the half. I go in and hit 3 straight jumpers to help bring us back even at the half. I never played in the second half, nor for a single minute of the rest of the season... 7 more games I ride the bench. After the season he comes up to me and says, I'll bet you wondered why I never let you play? Well, yeah, I was wondering, but guessed I didn't deserve to play for missing most of the season. Damned right, he said. really angrily. The whole season was lost because of you, and I wasn't about to let any college scouts see you play so you could get a scholarship. And he turned and walked away. Well that's not petty....
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Post by Sarcasman on May 26, 2018 22:56:28 GMT -5
i am very pleased to hear it ... one of my all-time favorite Giants players . by far and away the best running back we ever had . i'd say he is in the top 25 the NFL's ever had. Welcome SK! I agree, Barber was a great Giant and you know what they say about family....
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 28, 2018 10:34:36 GMT -5
As I said before. Pettiness is very common among successful NFL head coaches. Absolutely. It almost goes with the territory. We hear generalizations about certain occupations...lawyers, doctors, CEO types, athletes. It takes a certain set of brain characteristics that drive a person into those certain occupations. And, a lot of the traits of people at the top of their trade is a certain amount of narcissism/ego about the fact that they HAVE achieved the pinnacle. After all, in this whole country, there are 32 NFL Head Coaches. I dislocated my shoulder playing football my senior year... bad. it took 4 hours to get it back in. Done with sports for a year the doc says. My frosh BB coach is now the varsity BB coach. We were 22-4 as freshmen. Everyone knew we were going to have a winning season my senior year. But, I can't play, and I was always our point guard, top scorer and even rebounder. . Now, the team is 4 and 14, and everyone... certain teachers and students, were downright hostile to me... seriously... we're losing because you're not playing. I tell my mom I want her permission to override the doctor and she says OK. First game that week coach keeps me on the bench till 2 minutes in the half. I go in and hit 3 straight jumpers to help bring us back even at the half. I never played in the second half, nor for a single minute of the rest of the season... 7 more games I ride the bench. After the season he comes up to me and says, I'll bet you wondered why I never let you play? Well, yeah, I was wondering, but guessed I didn't deserve to play for missing most of the season. Damned right, he said. really angrily. The whole season was lost because of you, and I wasn't about to let any college scouts see you play so you could get a scholarship. And he turned and walked away.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 28, 2018 10:42:21 GMT -5
WOW ! That's some lousy human being of a coach, and that's at the high school level. Imagine how intense that confrontation could have been when you were a grown man and a professional. It makes me angry just hearing that story never mind living thru it. What a piece of crap that man was and probably still is.
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Post by DandyDon on May 30, 2018 22:01:08 GMT -5
As I said before. Pettiness is very common among successful NFL head coaches. I looked up "pettiness," and the definition is "undue concern with trivial matters, especially of a small-minded or spiteful nature." Which NFL HCs do you think are were "Petty?"
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Post by Roosevelt on May 30, 2018 22:15:52 GMT -5
As I said before. Pettiness is very common among successful NFL head coaches. Absolutely. It almost goes with the territory. We hear generalizations about certain occupations...lawyers, doctors, CEO types, athletes. It takes a certain set of brain characteristics that drive a person into those certain occupations. And, a lot of the traits of people at the top of their trade is a certain amount of narcissism/ego about the fact that they HAVE achieved the pinnacle. After all, in this whole country, there are 32 NFL Head Coaches. I dislocated my shoulder playing football my senior year... bad. it took 4 hours to get it back in. Done with sports for a year the doc says. My frosh BB coach is now the varsity BB coach. We were 22-4 as freshmen. Everyone knew we were going to have a winning season my senior year. But, I can't play, and I was always our point guard, top scorer and even rebounder. . Now, the team is 4 and 14, and everyone... certain teachers and students, were downright hostile to me... seriously... we're losing because you're not playing. I tell my mom I want her permission to override the doctor and she says OK. First game that week coach keeps me on the bench till 2 minutes in the half. I go in and hit 3 straight jumpers to help bring us back even at the half. I never played in the second half, nor for a single minute of the rest of the season... 7 more games I ride the bench. After the season he comes up to me and says, I'll bet you wondered why I never let you play? Well, yeah, I was wondering, but guessed I didn't deserve to play for missing most of the season. Damned right, he said. really angrily. The whole season was lost because of you, and I wasn't about to let any college scouts see you play so you could get a scholarship. And he turned and walked away.
Now that's f-cked up.
It's guys like that that lead to all the regulation BS we now have.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2018 4:46:59 GMT -5
As I said before. Pettiness is very common among successful NFL head coaches. Absolutely. It almost goes with the territory. We hear generalizations about certain occupations...lawyers, doctors, CEO types, athletes. It takes a certain set of brain characteristics that drive a person into those certain occupations. And, a lot of the traits of people at the top of their trade is a certain amount of narcissism/ego about the fact that they HAVE achieved the pinnacle. After all, in this whole country, there are 32 NFL Head Coaches. I dislocated my shoulder playing football my senior year... bad. it took 4 hours to get it back in. Done with sports for a year the doc says. My frosh BB coach is now the varsity BB coach. We were 22-4 as freshmen. Everyone knew we were going to have a winning season my senior year. But, I can't play, and I was always our point guard, top scorer and even rebounder. . Now, the team is 4 and 14, and everyone... certain teachers and students, were downright hostile to me... seriously... we're losing because you're not playing. I tell my mom I want her permission to override the doctor and she says OK. First game that week coach keeps me on the bench till 2 minutes in the half. I go in and hit 3 straight jumpers to help bring us back even at the half. I never played in the second half, nor for a single minute of the rest of the season... 7 more games I ride the bench. After the season he comes up to me and says, I'll bet you wondered why I never let you play? Well, yeah, I was wondering, but guessed I didn't deserve to play for missing most of the season. Damned right, he said. really angrily. The whole season was lost because of you, and I wasn't about to let any college scouts see you play so you could get a scholarship. And he turned and walked away. Sadly I’ve heard many stories just like that and have seen the same sort of thing play out in other circumstances too. A lot of people with power have actual psychopathic traits - many are even actual psychopaths - people seem to be slow to recognize these things in people who are successful.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2018 13:40:34 GMT -5
nypost.com/2018/06/23/pat-shurmur-welcomes-tiki-barber-back-into-the-giants-fold/Update 23 June: Tikis teammates very happy to see Shurmur reach out. The Tiki positivity continues: “Such a good player,’’ said Chris Snee, one of the top guards the Giants have had. “He still loves the Giants. You never want to see somebody who put so much sweat and effort into being a proud Giant, and then certain things happen and quickly he falls out of favor. That I didn’t want to see.’’ That Snee is in Barber’s corner speaks volumes, considering not only is Snee a former Coughlin player, he is also Coughlin’s son-in-law and remains a Coughlin loyalist. “Obviously they have their own separate relationship, but I try to keep in mind how he was to me as a young player and how helpful he was,’’ Snee said. “He always took care of us. Tiki always treated the offensive line, me, with respect and we had a good relationship. He was always someone I enjoyed blocking for. That’s the approach I take with Tiki, he was always good to me.’’
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 24, 2018 15:32:15 GMT -5
I'm sure Shurmer got him to be kind of a mentor to SB & give him some of his football knowledge, especially about running with the ball held up high. Glad to see Tiki back in the land of the Giants where he belongs.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jun 24, 2018 16:01:36 GMT -5
if only Harooni could be here for this convo. He really loved Tiki, and I'm sure appreciates how PS has changed this narrative.
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Post by DJones19 on Jun 26, 2018 10:01:07 GMT -5
Tiki is back, about time. Tiki was Wellington Mara's favorite player and some people knew him as the "classiest guy in New York" as a young guy in his 20s. Tom Coughlin had his great moments which included 2 Super Bowl wins but Tiki wasn't the only player that he had issues with. Tom was a fiery guy known for his tomato red face on the sidelines in between bursts of screaming, about time we can move on from the issues between the 2. I hope he teaches Saqaun how to stay healthy.
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Post by firminsidepocket on Jun 26, 2018 11:29:07 GMT -5
If Tiki does not retire after 2006, the Giants do not win the SB in 2007.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jun 26, 2018 14:00:33 GMT -5
Tiki is back, about time. Tiki was Wellington Mara's favorite player and some people knew him as the "classiest guy in New York" as a young guy in his 20s. Tom Coughlin had his great moments which included 2 Super Bowl wins but Tiki wasn't the only player that he had issues with. Tom was a fiery guy known for his tomato red face on the sidelines in between bursts of screaming, about time we can move on from the issues between the 2. I hope he teaches Saqaun how to stay healthy. Awesome avatar, Harooni!
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 26, 2018 17:16:24 GMT -5
If Tiki does not retire after 2006, the Giants do not win the SB in 2007. That is a silly thing to say. Those 2000+ yards from scrimmage would have really hurt the team. Good call.
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Post by KingCap88 on Jun 27, 2018 12:40:11 GMT -5
I don't think it's a surprise that Tiki is 'back in the fold' after the Giants drafted Barkley since he could probably be a good mentor. I just hope Tiki doesn't blow this chance by letting his mouth get in the way.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jun 27, 2018 14:29:56 GMT -5
Tiki is back, about time. Tiki was Wellington Mara's favorite player and some people knew him as the "classiest guy in New York" as a young guy in his 20s. Tom Coughlin had his great moments which included 2 Super Bowl wins but Tiki wasn't the only player that he had issues with. Tom was a fiery guy known for his tomato red face on the sidelines in between bursts of screaming, about time we can move on from the issues between the 2. I hope he teaches Saqaun how to stay healthy. in ways Tiki did not stay healthy, he was just tough as nails and played through some pretty serious injuries...
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Post by Parademon1 on Jun 27, 2018 15:11:24 GMT -5
With Tiki in the 07' lineup, Giants might win 12+ that yr as his mutli-dual talent of running /receiving would have come in handy in the opening day loss to Dallas & the season finale vs NE. 08' Giants would have also leaned heavy on Tiki when Plax shot himself down as well. Tiki had 2 great yrs left in him when he decided to hang it up prematurely in 06"
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Post by Zimonami on Jun 29, 2018 14:24:21 GMT -5
If Tiki does not retire after 2006, the Giants do not win the SB in 2007. Tiki was the best RB the Giants ever had... and was a great receiver and blocker. He had his issues with TC, and even Stray, but they weren't issues that would have an effect on the team. Jacobs and Ward became the horses after Tiki left. Combined they had slightly less yards (1,621) than Tiki had alone in 2006 (1,662) on exactly the same # of carries... 327. Tiki had 58 receptions in 2006, Jacobs and Ward combined had 49. The difference in 2007 was the defense coming together. It was the defense holding the Pats to 14 that won the SB. Maybe with Tiki we score more than 17. There's no reason to think we wouldn't have won with Tiki.,
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Post by firminsidepocket on Jun 29, 2018 17:56:10 GMT -5
If Tiki does not retire after 2006, the Giants do not win the SB in 2007. Tiki was the best RB the Giants ever had... and was a great receiver and blocker. He had his issues with TC, and even Stray, but they weren't issues that would have an effect on the team. Jacobs and Ward became the horses after Tiki left. Combined they had slightly less yards (1,621) than Tiki had alone in 2006 (1,662) on exactly the same # of carries... 327. Tiki had 58 receptions in 2006, Jacobs and Ward combined had 49. The difference in 2007 was the defense coming together. It was the defense holding the Pats to 14 that won the SB. Maybe with Tiki we score more than 17. There's no reason to think we wouldn't have won with Tiki., They don't even get to the SB with Tiki. That Jacobs/Bradshaw combo was perfect.
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Post by Zimonami on Jun 29, 2018 18:24:21 GMT -5
Tiki was the best RB the Giants ever had... and was a great receiver and blocker. He had his issues with TC, and even Stray, but they weren't issues that would have an effect on the team. Jacobs and Ward became the horses after Tiki left. Combined they had slightly less yards (1,621) than Tiki had alone in 2006 (1,662) on exactly the same # of carries... 327. Tiki had 58 receptions in 2006, Jacobs and Ward combined had 49. The difference in 2007 was the defense coming together. It was the defense holding the Pats to 14 that won the SB. Maybe with Tiki we score more than 17. There's no reason to think we wouldn't have won with Tiki., They don't even get to the SB with Tiki. That Jacobs/Bradshaw combo was perfect. Bradshaw only got 190 yds in 2007... less than 12 yds per game.... he was the 3rd RB behind Jacobs and Ward. Maybe you're thinking of 2011? lol.
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Post by ocgiant on Jun 29, 2018 19:23:23 GMT -5
I for one am glad to see Tiki back around the Giants again... Coach and players do not all get along... but if there is "respect" to get the job done in practice then on game day... that is all that matters. Tiki even said, TC made him a better player so that speaks for itself.
Shurmer is really trying to get the identity back of where the Giants come from and Tiki was part of it very smart on Shurmer's part and I have to believe the players appreciate too.
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Post by TEM on Jun 29, 2018 19:30:50 GMT -5
They don't even get to the SB with Tiki. That Jacobs/Bradshaw combo was perfect. Bradshaw only got 190 yds in 2007... less than 12 yds per game.... he was the 3rd RB behind Jacobs and Ward. Maybe you're thinking of 2011? lol. I understand the RB point you are making. He was basically a none factor. Bradshaw did have 1100 All purpose yards , 900+ of those were kick return yards. He was an integral part of the 07 run.
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Post by Morehead State on Jun 29, 2018 19:56:44 GMT -5
Bradshaw only got 190 yds in 2007... less than 12 yds per game.... he was the 3rd RB behind Jacobs and Ward. Maybe you're thinking of 2011? lol. I understand the RB point you are making. He was basically a none factor. Bradshaw did have 1100 All purpose yards , 900+ of those were kick return yards. He was an integral part of the 07 run. "Kick Return yards"...Stop it. You get 20 yards every time before they touch you. Those are meaningless yards to compare with yards from scrimmage.
He was more important very late in the season though. But "kick return yards" is poor salesmanship.
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Post by Jaydub on Jun 29, 2018 22:30:01 GMT -5
If Tiki does not retire after 2006, the Giants do not win the SB in 2007. That makes zero sense. Please explain how losing an incredible all purpose RB like Tiki Barber could be a good thing for a team
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Post by TEM on Jun 30, 2018 6:53:05 GMT -5
I understand the RB point you are making. He was basically a none factor. Bradshaw did have 1100 All purpose yards , 900+ of those were kick return yards. He was an integral part of the 07 run. "Kick Return yards"...Stop it. You get 20 yards every time before they touch you. Those are meaningless yards to compare with yards from scrimmage.
He was more important very late in the season though. But "kick return yards" is poor salesmanship.
I don't get your point. Are you saying field position on kickoffs is not an important aspect of the game. ? If so why isn't it.
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Post by RogerThat on Jul 2, 2018 16:35:05 GMT -5
I agree with all the nice things that have been said about Tiki the running back. But I have trouble getting past his criticisms of Coughlin and Manning, mainly because they were cheap shots to try to get his new career in TV off to a strong start. He took the easy way out by trading on his knowledge of the Giants. When I hear a public apology of that, then maybe I'll be able to change my opinion of him.
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