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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 13:23:21 GMT -5
TC had a lot of great qualities but his pettiness was and is a huge black mark on him. I am happy to hear Tiki and the org are on good terms and that he feels welcome in the building.Tiki was a great player for us and it was too bad everything got blown way out of proportion when he exited.
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Post by EliQB10 on May 23, 2018 13:29:26 GMT -5
TC had a lot of great qualities but his pettiness was and is a huge black mark on him. I am happy to hear Tiki and the org are on good terms and that he feels welcome in the building.Tiki was a great player for us and it was too bad everything got blown way out of proportion when he exited. I agree...and it's a shame he retired premature to getting a ring...
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Post by scrimmage on May 23, 2018 13:39:12 GMT -5
Always good to hear from ol' Tiki
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Post by Morehead State on May 23, 2018 13:54:14 GMT -5
TC had a lot of great qualities but his pettiness was and is a huge black mark on him. I am happy to hear Tiki and the org are on good terms and that he feels welcome in the building.Tiki was a great player for us and it was too bad everything got blown way out of proportion when he exited. Couldn't agree more. Shurmer just went way up in my book. And you are exactly right about TC.
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Post by krankeybluechick on May 23, 2018 14:07:53 GMT -5
IMO TC will never have a black mark on him. He has more class in his pinky finger that Tiki will ever have.
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Post by Morehead State on May 23, 2018 14:23:35 GMT -5
IMO TC will never have a black mark on him. He has more class in his pinky finger that Tiki will ever have. Tom was a very good football coach. he definitely lost the team at the end but he was our HC for two SB wins and that puts him up there with the all time Giants HC's. But like most successful NFL head coaches he was a very flawed human being. The guy was petty and small. He holds a grudge too. This is true of both Bills as well so it's not just him. But he thinks the Giants "wronged" him by not anointing him as their perpetual HC. He hates Tiki because Tiki criticized him. He is thin skinned. Again....a common shortcoming of NFL HC's. Tiki was pretty much a self important dope at the end of his career and shortly after. ....and he's paid in spades for that. Well life teaches us through failures. The time is long overdue for Tiki to be embraced by the Giants as the greatest RB in it's team's history and a guy who worked his ass off and never took a play off. current players could only benefit from his experience. No player made more of his ability that Tiki Barber.
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Post by krankeybluechick on May 23, 2018 14:31:17 GMT -5
IMO TC will never have a black mark on him. He has more class in his pinky finger that Tiki will ever have. Tom was a very good football coach. he definitely lost the team at the end but he was our HC for two SB wins and that puts him up there with the all time Giants HC's. But like most successful NFL head coaches he was a very flawed human being. The guy was petty and small. He holds a grudge too. This is true of both Bills as well so it's not just him. But he thinks the Giants "wronged" him by not anointing him as their perpetual HC. He hates Tiki because Tiki criticized him. He is thin skinned. Again....a common shortcoming of NFL HC's. Tiki was pretty much a self important dope at the end of his career and shortly after. ....and he's paid in spades for that. Well life teaches us through failures. The time is long overdue for Tiki to be embraced by the Giants as the greatest RB in it's team's history and a guy who worked his ass off and never took a play off. current players could only benefit from his experience. No player made more of his ability that Tiki Barber.
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Post by Morehead State on May 23, 2018 14:33:04 GMT -5
Tom was a very good football coach. he definitely lost the team at the end but he was our HC for two SB wins and that puts him up there with the all time Giants HC's. But like most successful NFL head coaches he was a very flawed human being. The guy was petty and small. He holds a grudge too. This is true of both Bills as well so it's not just him. But he thinks the Giants "wronged" him by not anointing him as their perpetual HC. He hates Tiki because Tiki criticized him. He is thin skinned. Again....a common shortcoming of NFL HC's. Tiki was pretty much a self important dope at the end of his career and shortly after. ....and he's paid in spades for that. Well life teaches us through failures. The time is long overdue for Tiki to be embraced by the Giants as the greatest RB in it's team's history and a guy who worked his ass off and never took a play off. current players could only benefit from his experience. No player made more of his ability that Tiki Barber. I feel you were trying to tell us something...........
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Post by krankeybluechick on May 23, 2018 14:41:45 GMT -5
Damn this board!! I have to get use to it lol Anyway Morehead this is what I wanted to say: We are all flawed human beings. I loved Tiki the football player and I believe he did bring it to the field every week but do not respect Tiki other than that. IMO if there was anyone who was petty and small it was Tiki and how he handled himself just after he retired. We will just agree to disagree.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 15:00:16 GMT -5
Those who hate him were very outspoken about his personal life regarding the situation between he and his wife. This was used as justification for the hatred. Him cheating on his wife was between the two of them, but some used that as additional ammo when he spoke out about Coughlin and Eli. Once he said something negative about Eli, that was all that some needed.
That being said, he gave his all on Sundays, and to date, he's the best RB in Giants history. Just an FYI, Strahan couldn't stand Coughlin either in the beginning and was very outspoken about it, but he was given a pass because he didn't say anything negative about Eli. That should tell you everything you need to know.
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Post by Morehead State on May 23, 2018 15:01:54 GMT -5
Damn this board!! I have to get use to it lol Anyway Morehead this is what I wanted to say: We are all flawed human beings. I loved Tiki the football player and I believe he did bring it to the field every week but do not respect Tiki other than that. IMO if there was anyone who was petty and small it was Tiki and how he handled himself just after he retired. We will just agree to disagree. I don't think Tiki is any less flawed than Tom. I am happy to welcome Tom back if and when he wants. I just don't get the hatred for Tiki. I'm not saying that about you, but I just don't get it from so many fans. Football players, coaches and even GM's like JR and Gettleman are generally folks with huge egos....usually to a fault. If we knew everything about these guys we might not like any of them. That's why I'm happy not to know. Just happy to see that Pat Shurmer is bringing him back into the Giants fold....to whatever extent he is.
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Post by Morehead State on May 23, 2018 15:03:28 GMT -5
Those who hate him were very outspoken about his personal life regarding the situation between he and his wife. This was used as justification for the hatred. Him cheating on his wife was between the two of them, but some used that as additional ammo when he spoke out about Coughlin and Eli. Once he said something negative about Eli, that was all that some needed. That being said, he gave his all on Sundays, and to date, he's the best RB in Giants history. Just an FYI, Strahan couldn't stand Coughlin either in the beginning and was very outspoken about it, but he was given a pass because he didn't say anything negative about Eli. That should tell you everything you need to know. Do you know how many pro athletes cheat on their wives? They are a self-entitled lot. Ask LT's ex wife about HER former husband. It's everywhere in pro sports.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 15:04:24 GMT -5
IMO TC will never have a black mark on him. He has more class in his pinky finger that Tiki will ever have. Tom was a very good football coach. he definitely lost the team at the end but he was our HC for two SB wins and that puts him up there with the all time Giants HC's. But like most successful NFL head coaches he was a very flawed human being. The guy was petty and small. He holds a grudge too. This is true of both Bills as well so it's not just him. But he thinks the Giants "wronged" him by not anointing him as their perpetual HC. He hates Tiki because Tiki criticized him. He is thin skinned. Again....a common shortcoming of NFL HC's. Tiki was pretty much a self important dope at the end of his career and shortly after. ....and he's paid in spades for that. Well life teaches us through failures. The time is long overdue for Tiki to be embraced by the Giants as the greatest RB in it's team's history and a guy who worked his ass off and never took a play off. current players could only benefit from his experience. No player made more of his ability that Tiki Barber. Great post. With you 100%.
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Post by Delicreep on May 23, 2018 15:15:42 GMT -5
TC had a lot of great qualities but his pettiness was and is a huge black mark on him. I am happy to hear Tiki and the org are on good terms and that he feels welcome in the building.Tiki was a great player for us and it was too bad everything got blown way out of proportion when he exited. Let me see if I can accurately summarize the "dispute" between Tiki and TC. Tiki thought he should not have as much contact in practice, should not have to practice as many days as other veteran players, and that generally, TC was too strict of a coach. That accurate? If it is, then my answer would be look at their hands.
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Post by scoostraw on May 23, 2018 15:47:53 GMT -5
I loved the broadcast last year with Tiki and Ronde both in the booth.
The guy says what's on his mind and he may have been misunderstood a lot. Like morehead said, he paid dearly for that.
But toward the end of his career he was a terrific back. I always wondered what would have happened had the Giants signed Ronde in free agency and put him in the offensive backfield.
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Post by EliQB10 on May 23, 2018 15:56:27 GMT -5
Morehead, I'm getting excited every time I see your avatar....please change it and make it stop!!!
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Post by Fletch842 on May 23, 2018 16:19:34 GMT -5
It's good to see that they've put it behind them. Tiki the player was beastly, and an all around great running back, every aspect of the position.
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Post by GameTime on May 23, 2018 16:22:28 GMT -5
Tiki is lucky . He’ll be ok as long as his giagantic ego and pie hole don’t get him into trouble anymore. Maybe he learned how to act from his brother since he retired.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on May 23, 2018 16:25:25 GMT -5
I think it's great. Tiki is the greatest Giant RB of all-time. I don't hold his late career or post career behavior against him. I'm not even saying some of it wasn't regrettable, but in the grand scheme what he provided on the field dwarfed all of that.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 17:25:11 GMT -5
Those who hate him were very outspoken about his personal life regarding the situation between he and his wife. This was used as justification for the hatred. Him cheating on his wife was between the two of them, but some used that as additional ammo when he spoke out about Coughlin and Eli. Once he said something negative about Eli, that was all that some needed. That being said, he gave his all on Sundays, and to date, he's the best RB in Giants history. Just an FYI, Strahan couldn't stand Coughlin either in the beginning and was very outspoken about it, but he was given a pass because he didn't say anything negative about Eli. That should tell you everything you need to know. Do you know how many pro athletes cheat on their wives? They are a self-entitled lot. Ask LT's ex wife about HER former husband. It's everywhere in pro sports. Do you know how many ordinary citizens cheat on their partner, both male and female? This age old problem has nothing to do with being self-entitled. There are different factors that play into infidelity, but this has nothing to do with what I was saying. My point was once Tiki said something about Eli, that Eli hard core supporters didn't like, the hate for him was sure to spiral out of control. Again, what went on between he and his wife is simply non of our business.
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Post by Zimonami on May 23, 2018 18:05:31 GMT -5
Damn this board!! I have to get use to it lol Anyway Morehead this is what I wanted to say: We are all flawed human beings. I loved Tiki the football player and I believe he did bring it to the field every week but do not respect Tiki other than that. IMO if there was anyone who was petty and small it was Tiki and how he handled himself just after he retired. We will just agree to disagree. I don't think Tiki is any less flawed than Tom. I am happy to welcome Tom back if and when he wants. I just don't get the hatred for Tiki. I'm not saying that about you, but I just don't get it from so many fans. Football players, coaches and even GM's like JR and Gettleman are generally folks with huge egos....usually to a fault. If we knew everything about these guys we might not like any of them. That's why I'm happy not to know. Just happy to see that Pat Shurmer is bringing him back into the Giants fold....to whatever extent he is. Amen... we've had some real raging Aholes on our team. I only care about their effort on behalf of the team. What they do on their own time is not my business to criticize. There are 53 different individuals in the roster, plus all the coaches, trainers, etc., etc. Just do your job and try not to be too vocal about things that are not your business, like when Tiki criticized Strahan's contract position. That turned me off... but, I'll always just think of Tiki as the complete and excellent RB that he was, every snap of his Giant career. He busted his butt every year to be a better player.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 18:20:15 GMT -5
I don't think Tiki is any less flawed than Tom. I am happy to welcome Tom back if and when he wants. I just don't get the hatred for Tiki. I'm not saying that about you, but I just don't get it from so many fans. Football players, coaches and even GM's like JR and Gettleman are generally folks with huge egos....usually to a fault. If we knew everything about these guys we might not like any of them. That's why I'm happy not to know. Just happy to see that Pat Shurmer is bringing him back into the Giants fold....to whatever extent he is. Amen... we've had some real raging Aholes on our team. I only care about their effort on behalf of the team. What they do on their own time is not my business to criticize. There are 53 different individuals in the roster, plus all the coaches, trainers, etc., etc. Just do your job and try not to be too vocal about things that are not your business, like when Tiki criticized Strahan's contract position. That turned me off... but, I'll always just think of Tiki as the complete and excellent RB that he was, every snap of his Giant career. He busted his butt every year to be a better player. You won't see too many RBs get better with age the way Tiki did. One of only 3 players in league history to do what he did as far as rushing/receiving production. He was a great player for us and all that other crap was just noise that didn't deserve the time of day.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on May 23, 2018 18:47:34 GMT -5
Don't worry as soon as Tiki open his mouth we'll all remember why Tiki is bood everytime he comes on the field. He was not only the best RB we've ever had but the most exciting as well. And he can watch as that torch gets passed to Barkley in just a few months as the future begins it's reign.
I personally am glad he doesn't have a ring with this organization after he quit on the team for whatever reason. As far as I'm concerned he can keep away. He can say whatever on Sirus and move on. Just my personal view don't expect all Giant fans to agree with me.
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Post by TEM on May 23, 2018 18:54:55 GMT -5
Tom was a very good football coach. he definitely lost the team at the end but he was our HC for two SB wins and that puts him up there with the all time Giants HC's. But like most successful NFL head coaches he was a very flawed human being. The guy was petty and small. He holds a grudge too. This is true of both Bills as well so it's not just him. But he thinks the Giants "wronged" him by not anointing him as their perpetual HC. He hates Tiki because Tiki criticized him. He is thin skinned. Again....a common shortcoming of NFL HC's. Tiki was pretty much a self important dope at the end of his career and shortly after. ....and he's paid in spades for that. Well life teaches us through failures. The time is long overdue for Tiki to be embraced by the Giants as the greatest RB in it's team's history and a guy who worked his ass off and never took a play off. current players could only benefit from his experience. No player made more of his ability that Tiki Barber. Tiki was a great Football Player. I can not deny that. You claim Tom was a Flawed human being . That is debatable . Tiki dumped his pregnant wife for another women. That my friend is the definition of a flawed human being. Sorry I was quoting Morehead.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2018 20:01:36 GMT -5
Don't worry as soon as Tiki open his mouth we'll all remember why Tiki is bood everytime he comes on the field. He was not only the best RB we've ever had but the most exciting as well. And he can watch as that torch gets passed to Barkley in just a few months as the future begins it's reign. I personally am glad he doesn't have a ring with this organization after he quit on the team for whatever reason. As far as I'm concerned he can keep away. He can say whatever on Sirus and move on. Just my personal view don't expect all Giant fans to agree with me. I think it is ridiculous to say he "quit on the team" when he single handedly ran the Giants into the playoffs in his final season (Washington game). The guy never quit on the field. Ever. He retired when he had enough. How can we blame him for that? While he was a part of the team he gave it his all. It's disingenuous to say he "quit on the team" . Sorry, but it just isn't true. Tiki Barber didn't owe it to Giants fans to play football when he didn't want to anymore. All he owed us was full effort while employed by the Giants - which he gave - and more.
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Post by Morehead State on May 23, 2018 21:19:42 GMT -5
Tiki was a great Football Player. I can not deny that. You claim Tom was a Flawed human being . That is debatable . Tiki dumped his pregnant wife for another women. That my friend is the definition of a flawed human being. Sorry I was quoting Morehead. Which is exactly what I have said many times...including here.
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Post by Martin on May 23, 2018 22:16:24 GMT -5
What Tiki does on his time is his business. I don't agree with dumping his pregnant wife but his breaking the bond of the brotherhood and going to the media for his ego concerns was where he crossed the line. The toothpaste is out of the bottle and its very hard to put back in. He was very much the offense for the Giants back in the day. Great football player but its now getting much harder to remember that which is a damn shame for him. He should have called me for advise on this. It would he saved him a lot of grief.
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Post by Morehead State on May 24, 2018 7:53:41 GMT -5
What Tiki does on his time is his business. I don't agree with dumping his pregnant wife but his breaking the bond of the brotherhood and going to the media for his ego concerns was where he crossed the line. The toothpaste is out of the bottle and its very hard to put back in. He was very much the offense for the Giants back in the day. Great football player but its now getting much harder to remember that which is a damn shame for him. He should have called me for advise on this. It would he saved him a lot of grief. OK...So how long should we all carry that grudge? Isn't there a time when you have to let it go? Is this a life sentence without the possibility of parole? The time is long overdue to put this all behind us.
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Post by Eazy E on May 24, 2018 8:09:16 GMT -5
Tom never lost his team. He lost or didnt have enough talented players to form a playoff competitive team in the end. ........Tiki is the man. Too bad it was during Toms transitional period of calming down and learning to not have to be so strict. Tiki would have been a tremendous weapon for the Giants for 2-3 more years. Im glad that Tiki is back on good terms with the Gmen.
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Post by GameTime on May 24, 2018 8:11:35 GMT -5
What Tiki does on his time is his business. I don't agree with dumping his pregnant wife but his breaking the bond of the brotherhood and going to the media for his ego concerns was where he crossed the line. The toothpaste is out of the bottle and its very hard to put back in. He was very much the offense for the Giants back in the day. Great football player but its now getting much harder to remember that which is a damn shame for him. He should have called me for advise on this. It would he saved him a lot of grief. OK...So how long should we all carry that grudge? Isn't there a time when you have to let it go? Is this a life sentence without the possibility of parole? The time is long overdue to put this all behind us. well its an individual thing. You know how some people just rub you the wrong way. Thats what Tiki does for me. His production as a player is undeniable. But I dont have to let anything go. His extreme narcissism is real and I am not a fan of that personality trait in anyone. If the Giants excpet him back in their house then thats fine.
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