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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 23, 2021 14:46:11 GMT -5
Glad Garrett is gone but im sorry , I was a believer in Judge. I thought with some time he could get this organization on the right track. I was wrong. Maybe it was too much to ask to put out this NYG dumpster fire. The guy is learning on the spot to be a head coach. Just not good enough. A damn good coach has to put his stamp on his team after a certain time. What are the Giants? What can we hang our hat on, Special Teams, Defense , Running Game,Passing attack, Scoring, discipline. To me he looks undecisive on the sideline , jittery, idk just not a look of confidence this team needs. He may be a good coordinator on his own but when you bring all facets of a team altogether on the field in live action, some guys just cant cut it. I think we need a head strong experienced leader out there leading the Gmen. Again Who is out there that is unemployed that is this guy And why would he want to come here when the GM has to answer to Fredo and he has to hope he is on the same page as said GM because said GM doesn't decide who the HC is ?
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 23, 2021 14:47:30 GMT -5
I just hope Kitchens and the rest of the offensive staff can salvage something, and help get Daniel Jones on the right track. Offseason would be so much more straightforward without QB being on the list. Even if QB we’re on the list… 1) they should fix the O-line first 2) this coming draft is not deep in QBs. I would seriously bring in a vet to complete with Jones. I mean really compete. Handing him the job next year at this point hoping he evolves is ridiculous. Simms had to fight off Brunner. Bring in Somebody like Tirod Taylor. With what cap space? A Tyrod Taylor (who I really like)will cost ...
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Post by spaceweather on Nov 23, 2021 14:47:44 GMT -5
Name one advantage to keeping Gettleman till the end of the year? Judge ok fine There is none. Its just not how this team operates though. Mara wont fire Dave until the end of the year at the earliest. "not how they operate" Well they should change how they operate because it hasn't worked
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Post by yoho on Nov 23, 2021 14:49:20 GMT -5
I think they will... in the offseason. Name one advantage to keeping Gettleman till the end of the year? Judge ok fine I agree, if nothing else, it sets a tone that what he has done is unacceptable. That being failure to fix the O/line, and pass rush, and possibly a whiff on Barkley and Jones. All of this is Gettleman’s doing.
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Post by yoho on Nov 23, 2021 14:51:37 GMT -5
Kitchens can be a good OC and had good success in similar circumstances before. With that being said, Judge doesn’t know wtf he is doing in games so that anvil will still be hanging around their neck. He was an OC for one season. He could be Barney Rubble for all we know. But he did get our #2 QB to win a game last year.
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Post by Delicreep on Nov 23, 2021 14:53:27 GMT -5
Giants couldn't even get this firing right. They keep Garrett over the long bye and then fire him on a short week. I have no confidence that things will change with Kitchens I am 100% certain that Kitchens will call a better game than Garrett!!! And in case that sounded like faith in Kitchens, it really is a case of there literally not being a way to call a worse game.
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Post by smitty on Nov 23, 2021 14:56:18 GMT -5
And to think that Mara brought Garrett in as a stabilizing veteran coaching presence to assist a special teams coordinator who has no business being anyone’s head coach.
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Post by yoho on Nov 23, 2021 14:56:25 GMT -5
Even if QB we’re on the list… 1) they should fix the O-line first 2) this coming draft is not deep in QBs. I would seriously bring in a vet to complete with Jones. I mean really compete. Handing him the job next year at this point hoping he evolves is ridiculous. Simms had to fight off Brunner. Bring in Somebody like Tirod Taylor. With what cap space? A Tyrod Taylor (who I really like)will cost ... they would have to trade some people away. Maybe Golladay, cut peppers, trade Shepard, trade Bradberry?
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 23, 2021 15:03:48 GMT -5
With what cap space? A Tyrod Taylor (who I really like)will cost ... they would have to trade some people away. Maybe Golladay, cut peppers, trade Shepard, trade Bradberry? Peppers is an UFA Golladay would incour a massive dead money hit that would hurt us more and who would you replace him with,especially if as many of us think we need to go front 7 on defense and trenches on the o line Bradberry has a major guaranteed number next year.
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Post by Rangers13 on Nov 23, 2021 15:07:18 GMT -5
Which Mara offered the exit interview?
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Post by TCHOF on Nov 23, 2021 15:08:17 GMT -5
And to think that Mara brought Garrett in as a stabilizing veteran coaching presence to assist a special teams coordinator who has no business being anyone’s head coach. What support do you have for this statement?
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Post by jaymas on Nov 23, 2021 15:09:18 GMT -5
I just hope Kitchens and the rest of the offensive staff can salvage something, and help get Daniel Jones on the right track. Offseason would be so much more straightforward without QB being on the list. Even if QB we’re on the list… 1) they should fix the O-line first 2) this coming draft is not deep in QBs. I would seriously bring in a vet to complete with Jones. I mean really compete. Handing him the job next year at this point hoping he evolves is ridiculous. Simms had to fight off Brunner. Bring in Somebody like Tirod Taylor. I'm genuinely starting to like Kenny Pickett, a lot. I love Jones' core skillset though, I want him to work out. It makes things a lot easier. But this offense needs to perform significantly better for me to to start moving off the ship sailing on Jones - even if much of it isn't his fault in my eyes.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 23, 2021 15:10:44 GMT -5
He was an OC for one season. He could be Barney Rubble for all we know. But he did get our #2 QB to win a game last year. He didn't call that game. Garrett did. Kitchens called the browns game with McCoy. We scored 6 points. Though I will say, he was a more aggressive playcaller with Colt McCoy than Garrett was with Daniel Jones for the 1.5 seasons he was here.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 23, 2021 15:12:34 GMT -5
Even if QB we’re on the list… 1) they should fix the O-line first 2) this coming draft is not deep in QBs. I would seriously bring in a vet to complete with Jones. I mean really compete. Handing him the job next year at this point hoping he evolves is ridiculous. Simms had to fight off Brunner. Bring in Somebody like Tirod Taylor. I'm genuinely starting to like Kenny Pickett, a lot. I love Jones' core skillset though, I want him to work out. It makes things a lot easier. But this offense needs to perform significantly better for me to to start moving off the ship sailing on Jones - even if much of it isn't his fault in my eyes. We are 100% in agreement but I actually prefer Corral,especially if he comes with Kiffen... The best idea is let Jones play out year 4 next year....much better qb class in 2023 from what I'm seeing The issue is having the assets to move up to get one of those guys,especially if teams think the same way we do and build the team and hedge 2023
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 23, 2021 15:13:10 GMT -5
Imagine not firing the GM or HC who hired him, typical Giants scape goating. More heads need to roll. You mean the owner who asserted his will over his employees and forced Garrett upon them? I wouldn't put Garrett on either of them. I think that Garrett was actually a Mara decision. The two are close. Plus I could see Mara being wary of Judge, being that he was another 1st time HC like Mac.
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Post by jaymas on Nov 23, 2021 15:15:17 GMT -5
I'm genuinely starting to like Kenny Pickett, a lot. I love Jones' core skillset though, I want him to work out. It makes things a lot easier. But this offense needs to perform significantly better for me to to start moving off the ship sailing on Jones - even if much of it isn't his fault in my eyes. We are 100% in agreement but I actually prefer Corral,especially if he comes with Kiffen... The best idea is let Jones play out year 4 next year....much better qb class in 2023 from what I'm seeing The issue is having the assets to move up to get one of those guys,especially if teams think the same way we do and build the team and hedge 2023 If Jones can play well down the stretch and next year, we don't have to do 2023. But I understand what you're saying.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 23, 2021 15:17:07 GMT -5
We are 100% in agreement but I actually prefer Corral,especially if he comes with Kiffen... The best idea is let Jones play out year 4 next year....much better qb class in 2023 from what I'm seeing The issue is having the assets to move up to get one of those guys,especially if teams think the same way we do and build the team and hedge 2023 If Jones can play well down the stretch and next year, we don't have to do 2023. But I understand what you're saying. That is the hope.. Obstacle number one is out of the way
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Post by jaymas on Nov 23, 2021 15:17:30 GMT -5
Imagine not firing the GM or HC who hired him, typical Giants scape goating. More heads need to roll. You mean the owner who asserted his will over his employees and forced Garrett upon them? I wouldn't put Garrett on either of them. I think that Garrett was actually a Mara decision. The two are close. Plus I could see Mara being wary of Judge, being that he was another 1st time HC like Mac. If Mara was weary of Judge, why did he hire him? There is no logic to this conspiracy that gets floated around. No one forced anyone on anyone. Now did Joe Judge make the wrong decision to have his one hire not be connected to him in anyway, and did that being odd at the time prove to be actually be odd...yes it did. No clue why he was retained, nor do I understand why he wasn't let go during the buy week. But it's done now. I can say I was very wrong about the hire. I expected our most exciting offense since coughlin/mac hybrid. And instead we got new offensive lows.
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 23, 2021 15:21:14 GMT -5
I never like seeing this stuff happen but it needed to, That said how much will really change they can add some things but the offense is the offense right now and it looks like Jones will be playing in offense #3 next season unless they use these last 7 games as an install, this is so f@#$ed up Jones will be in the same system or a version of it next year as the foundation isn't going to change What will change is hopefully our players being utilized correctly and better playcalling,maybe even letting Jones have more say pre snap... Yeah I've seen plenty of creative plays. Which is why I have been so critical and so pissed at Garrett. It's about play design, situational awareness, player utilization . And most of all, playing the hot hand and not forcing anything. Garrett literally acted like Golladay was Ramses Barden when he was a game changer in Detroit. Garrett always goes away from what works. Last year they'd be avg like 5 YPC and he'd abandon the run. Then he would follow that up with a passing scheme that would have look outdated in the 90s. He has good formations but tends to use vanilla and basic routes when he has some pretty dynamic playmakers
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Post by gmen21 on Nov 23, 2021 15:22:32 GMT -5
This is probably covered in this thread somewhere but I’ll say it anyways…
Great JG is fired…we still have DJ as QB, Judge as HC, DG as GM, and the moron of all morons MR. John Mara. This firing is scapegoating from a coach who’s on the hot seat. I don’t blame him for firing him, but nothing will change as long as we still have all the players that I mentioned.
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Post by nick030567 on Nov 23, 2021 15:23:33 GMT -5
He was an OC for one season. He could be Barney Rubble for all we know. But he did get our #2 QB to win a game last year. Because he stuck to the run(which at that point was becoming a serious strength). But the rest of the season he happily abandoned the run when it would be working.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2021 15:26:57 GMT -5
Damn it! I’m late on this. ****ing awesome!
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Post by Fletch842 on Nov 23, 2021 15:29:16 GMT -5
Hopefully Kitchens can get more out of our "talent"
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Post by wtfjjk on Nov 23, 2021 15:31:22 GMT -5
Lmao!
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Post by Jomo on Nov 23, 2021 15:33:48 GMT -5
I still lay it at Judge's feet. Sure, Garrett had to go but he had to go after last season and Judge chose to bring him back. Did he though? And I ask that in all sincerity as I don't know. I'm sure he has somewhat of a say in those matters but I felt like Garret was brought in by Mara.....John was enamored by him. Why? I don't know but it was really weird maybe he was untouchable at that point. Again I don't know. At a minimum at least they get to evaluate Kitchens.....see if it's still the status quo or production improves. Who knows? But if JM hired Garrett, that is just another example of a CEO in title only, not having a clue about how are real organization needs to function.
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Post by McCherry on Nov 23, 2021 15:36:47 GMT -5
I just hope Kitchens and the rest of the offensive staff can salvage something, and help get Daniel Jones on the right track. Offseason would be so much more straightforward without QB being on the list. Jones looked defeated after that 4th and 1 debacle...... The entire offense looked defeated most of the game.... I think we’ll see an immediate improvement on the offense moving forward. I’ll bet anything the players were unhappy, which contributed to this firing. Fans calling Garrett a scapegoat… Jeez, what the hell have you been watching the last two seasons?
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 23, 2021 15:46:32 GMT -5
He was an OC for one season. He could be Barney Rubble for all we know. But he did get our #2 QB to win a game last year. I’m talking about Freddie Kitchens. His claim to fame is riding on the coattails of Baker Mayfield. And building a shed with his best friend Joe Judge.
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Post by thetruth on Nov 23, 2021 15:51:12 GMT -5
Will there be shock if we're still bad post Garrett? I actually think people are going to be rattled.
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Post by TEM on Nov 23, 2021 16:07:57 GMT -5
This is just another scape goat maneuver to appease the fans. Garrett was an issue yea but ,I blame that issue on an the HC's inability to intervene to fix the problems the offense was having . The same is true with the defense. The defense is a 5 yard play waiting to happen on every play used against them.
Hell Judge is s career special teams guru. Our STs are mediocre at best If he lacks the ability to fix that. How can he repair the offence and defense? The problems on this team are far more reaching than the OC. This guy is midway through his second year as HC. The first quarter of his first game as HC and his 1st quarter last night were Indiscernible on both sides of the ball. Anyone who thinks this HC has not been the problem? Please explain If he is not why has nothing changed?
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Post by bluejayc on Nov 23, 2021 16:55:11 GMT -5
Will there be shock if we're still bad post Garrett? I actually think people are going to be rattled. Will it fix the glaring problems on D? The rash of injuries across the entire roster? No......is it a step in the right direction? Abso-****ing-lutely.....save me the scapegoat label this dude flat out deserved to be fired. And if the D shits the bed again next week by sitting back and getting picked apart without adjustments Graham should be next.
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