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Post by hogmollies on Nov 24, 2021 3:48:50 GMT -5
Let's assume Daniel continues to play below average and it's obvious we need to bring in a new QB or at worst competition for him for training camp.
Who are the best options?
I like Tyrod Taylor as #1 option, Matt Corral at #2, Malik Willis at #3, and Teddy Bridgewater at #4.
Probably would lean in the direction of a FA QB who can compete for the job at the start of training camp (which ideally DJ wins) and after 1-2 poor games gets a chance in case we're still in contention for the playoffs.
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Nov 24, 2021 4:57:53 GMT -5
I’d stick with DJ. Take a flyer on a late round qb to be a 2023 drafted QBs back up
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Post by hogmollies on Nov 24, 2021 5:10:57 GMT -5
I’d stick with DJ. Take a flyer on a late round qb to be a 2023 drafted QBs back up If we stick with DJ we need a legitimate backup who is ready by week 2-3 to take over for him. Enough with this "oh he'll be too insecure about losing his job" if we get a real backup. Whatever is going on right now is clearly not working. Maybe someone right behind him will get him to actually do something impactful in a game for once. |
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Post by southerner on Nov 24, 2021 6:29:40 GMT -5
Let's assume Daniel continues to play below average and it's obvious we need to bring in a new QB or at worst competition for him for training camp. Who are the best options? I like Tyrod Taylor as #1 option, Matt Corral at #2, Malik Willis at #3, and Teddy Bridgewater at #4. Probably would lean in the direction of a FA QB who can compete for the job at the start of training camp (which ideally DJ wins) and after 1-2 poor games gets a chance in case we're still in contention for the playoffs. Tyrod Taylor would be the same thing as Jones, but he would cost more. Bridgewater is not an answer….he wasn’t in NO, Carolina, or Denver. A drafted QB is ideal and you can let DJ play out his contract, and the let the new QB spend a season preparing to take over. Before all of that a new HC and GM need be brought in. |
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Post by mikethenygfan on Nov 24, 2021 6:40:16 GMT -5
Maybe we can convince rodgers to come here by telling him he can make our first round picks himself lol
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Post by cdngfan on Nov 24, 2021 7:09:23 GMT -5
If we move on from Jones the bridge would most likely be a FA.
I hope we end this game of “need a QB, take the best one available with the highest draft pick”. After the Gettleman era of drafting we need the absolute highest percentage of successful picks possible, and teams that pick for need rarely achieve that.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 24, 2021 17:53:02 GMT -5
lets get through these 7 games and see where they end up and see who rises and who falls in the draft .
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 24, 2021 18:10:36 GMT -5
I’ve seen enough of Jones to say he’s not the guy. The seven games on the schedule against the cheese puffs of the league won’t sway my decision. Address the quarterback position through free agency. Be it with Bridgewater, Tyrod Taylor, or any veteran quarterback that could be a stop gap. Daniel Jones needs to feel his job is on the line. The days of bringing in hacks are over. The Mike Glennons and Colt 45’s of the league were merely just clip board holders. They presented no real threat to his job. It’s time, he feels the pressure..
If his numbers don’t make you puke.. his record sure will..
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Post by McCherry on Nov 24, 2021 18:22:16 GMT -5
I would not say Jones is playing below average. Let's stop overreacting to one game against one of the best defenses in football.
And the QB's on the market this year at best, would amount to Jones's backup.
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Post by Morehead State on Nov 24, 2021 18:51:13 GMT -5
These are some bad choices and that's the problem. The other problem is that Dave has booby trapped our ability to bring in a guy like Russell Wilson because he back loaded all that guaranteed money to 2022 and 2023 so we won't have the cap space.
Frankly the best bet to me is keeping Jones and praying that he learns how to function in the pocket....at least through next year.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2021 18:53:32 GMT -5
These are some bad choices and that's the problem. The other problem is that Dave has booby trapped our ability to bring in a guy like Russell Wilson because he back loaded all that guaranteed money to 2022 and 2023 so we won't have the cap space. Frankly the best bet to me is keeping Jones and praying that he learns how to function in the pocket....at least through next year. It's about the only option |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 24, 2021 18:55:11 GMT -5
These are some bad choices and that's the problem. The other problem is that Dave has booby trapped our ability to bring in a guy like Russell Wilson because he back loaded all that guaranteed money to 2022 and 2023 so we won't have the cap space. Frankly the best bet to me is keeping Jones and praying that he learns how to function in the pocket....at least through next year. We will have cap space in 2023 what is the point of bringing in a QB at the tail end of his career for big money. If they need a QB it is best to dip back into the draft maybe next year take a shot on one in the 4th never know people strike gold sometimes. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2021 18:59:29 GMT -5
These are some bad choices and that's the problem. The other problem is that Dave has booby trapped our ability to bring in a guy like Russell Wilson because he back loaded all that guaranteed money to 2022 and 2023 so we won't have the cap space. Frankly the best bet to me is keeping Jones and praying that he learns how to function in the pocket....at least through next year. We will have cap space in 2023 what is the point of bringing in a QB at the tail end of his career for big money. If they need a QB it is best to dip back into the draft maybe next year take a shot on one in the 4th never know people strike gold sometimes. Day 3 is perfect....a guy like Bo Nix in the 5th or something |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 24, 2021 18:59:31 GMT -5
These are some bad choices and that's the problem. The other problem is that Dave has booby trapped our ability to bring in a guy like Russell Wilson because he back loaded all that guaranteed money to 2022 and 2023 so we won't have the cap space. Frankly the best bet to me is keeping Jones and praying that he learns how to function in the pocket....at least through next year. It's about the only option I don't think it makes sense to be paying a QB top dollar that is on the other side of his prime, 2023 Bradberry comes off the books and so does Martinez and some others I believe thin they need to get drafting those spots as well, get young guys on rookie deals speed up that LB crew. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 24, 2021 19:02:13 GMT -5
We will have cap space in 2023 what is the point of bringing in a QB at the tail end of his career for big money. If they need a QB it is best to dip back into the draft maybe next year take a shot on one in the 4th never know people strike gold sometimes. Day 3 is perfect....a guy like Bo Nix in the 5th or something That would be pretty nice don't know how good he can be but he could be a Taysom Hill type Mobile and strong he has a decent arm. |
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 24, 2021 19:12:53 GMT -5
Maybe we can convince rodgers to come here by telling him he can make our first round picks himself lol Aaron Rodgers would rather get vaccinated then come play for us. |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 24, 2021 19:25:34 GMT -5
Maybe we can convince rodgers to come here by telling him he can make our first round picks himself lol Aaron Rodgers would rather get vaccinated then come play for us. He would be in a body cast after the first 3 games with this OL. |
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Post by fifthavephil on Nov 24, 2021 19:45:10 GMT -5
If, Cleveland doesn’t extend Mayfield.
Would a Jones for Mayfield, trade could be interesting ?
Change of venue and coaching , for both QB.
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Post by hadenough on Nov 24, 2021 19:45:57 GMT -5
I’d ride Jones out. He’s still cheap. You ride him through his 5th year option and it gives you 3 drafts/off seasons to find a replacement. There’s no rush. Take your time. Do it right. And when someone is there…be aggressive.
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2021 19:55:11 GMT -5
If, Cleveland doesn’t extend Mayfield. Would a Jones for Mayfield, trade could be interesting ? Change of venue and coaching , for both QB. [br As someone who was and still is a Mayfield guy that would be an interesting idea Might be able to do it straight up as Jones would still have one year and his option year ..Cleveland would rid themselves of the guaranteed option year (we would have to figure out how to find 20 million next year for this) Mayfield is back with Kitchens Stepnoski runs the Shurmer offense that Jones was good in and would be a good fit there.. |
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Post by Kruunch on Nov 24, 2021 20:41:43 GMT -5
I’d ride Jones out. He’s still cheap. You ride him through his 5th year option and it gives you 3 drafts/off seasons to find a replacement. There’s no rush. Take your time. Do it right. And when someone is there…be aggressive. We have by May of next year to decide if we’re picking up his 5th year option. And it’s going to be North of $20 million. There is nothing cheap about that. That’s why it’s imperative to know what we have with him. So far, he’s not worth the ink on his contract. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2021 20:45:32 GMT -5
I’d ride Jones out. He’s still cheap. You ride him through his 5th year option and it gives you 3 drafts/off seasons to find a replacement. There’s no rush. Take your time. Do it right. And when someone is there…be aggressive. We have by May of next year to decide if we’re picking up his 5th year option. And it’s going to be North of $20 million. There is nothing cheap about that. That’s why it’s imperative to know what we have with him. So far, he’s not worth the ink on his contract. 7 games to decide basically |
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Post by fifthavephil on Nov 24, 2021 21:00:04 GMT -5
If, Cleveland doesn’t extend Mayfield. Would a Jones for Mayfield, trade could be interesting ? Change of venue and coaching , for both QB. [br As someone who was and still is a Mayfield guy that would be an interesting idea Might be able to do it straight up as Jones would still have one year and his option year ..Cleveland would rid themselves of the guaranteed option year (we would have to figure out how to find 20 million next year for this) Mayfield is back with Kitchens Stepnoski runs the Shurmer offense that Jones was good in and would be a good fit there.. Not saying it can happen, but who knows. I remember , prior to the draft. Board members , was hesitant on Mayfield arm strength. I haven’t watch his games late in winter weather, but that would be my main concern. |
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Post by giantlegacy on Nov 24, 2021 21:05:45 GMT -5
[br As someone who was and still is a Mayfield guy that would be an interesting idea Might be able to do it straight up as Jones would still have one year and his option year ..Cleveland would rid themselves of the guaranteed option year (we would have to figure out how to find 20 million next year for this) Mayfield is back with Kitchens Stepnoski runs the Shurmer offense that Jones was good in and would be a good fit there.. Not saying it can happen, but who knows. I remember , prior to the draft. Board members , was hesitant on Mayfield arm strength. I haven’t watch his games late in winter weather, but that would be my main concern. His arm strength is fine ... |
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Nov 24, 2021 21:23:10 GMT -5
If we move on from Jones the bridge would most likely be a FA. I hope we end this game of “need a QB, take the best one available with the highest draft pick”. After the Gettleman era of drafting we need the absolute highest percentage of successful picks possible, and teams that pick for need rarely achieve that. The pre drafts say that no QB will be drafted in the 1st rd. This is not the year to draft QB's. If anything we'd have to give up high draft capital to trade for a top QB starter. IMHO it would cost too much. Do we want to give up these #1 picks for a QB ? |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 24, 2021 21:24:21 GMT -5
I’ve seen enough of Jones to say he’s not the guy. The seven games on the schedule against the cheese puffs of the league won’t sway my decision. Address the quarterback position through free agency. Be it with Bridgewater, Tyrod Taylor, or any veteran quarterback that could be a stop gap. Daniel Jones needs to feel his job is on the line. The days of bringing in hacks are over. The Mike Glennons and Colt 45’s of the league were merely just clip board holders. They presented no real threat to his job. It’s time, he feels the pressure.. If his numbers don’t make you puke.. his record sure will..  |
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Nov 24, 2021 21:25:42 GMT -5
If we move on from Jones the bridge would most likely be a FA. I hope we end this game of “need a QB, take the best one available with the highest draft pick”. After the Gettleman era of drafting we need the absolute highest percentage of successful picks possible, and teams that pick for need rarely achieve that. The pre drafts say that no QB will be drafted in the 1st rd. This is not the year to draft QB's. If anything we'd have to give up high draft capital to trade for a top QB starter. IMHO it would cost too much. Do we want to give up these #1 picks for a QB ? Actually it might be the right draft get a talented project later in the draft without giving anything up. |
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Post by SG88 on Nov 24, 2021 21:34:48 GMT -5
I'm just about done with Daniel Jones. Waiting on him to become a consistent and good QB is like waiting for hell to freeze over. He will be a good backup QB in his next contract. I would trade him to a team like Denver, who loved him at the draft that year if they don't sign Aaron Rodgers. Russell Wilson would be a great get, but our cap situation is a mess thanks to Gettleman. I wouldn't mind drafting a new QB early and getting a stop gap guy to hold it down. Of course we would suck a little longer, but at least some sort of plan would be in place. Blow this shit up and start totally from scratch.
On a final note, I know we like trashing the Jets, but I would take Carter and Elijah Moore over anyone on our offense not named K Toney.
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Post by nyg2 on Nov 24, 2021 21:40:11 GMT -5
I’ve seen enough of Jones to say he’s not the guy. If his numbers don’t make you puke.. his record sure will.. I would not say Jones is playing below average. Let's stop overreacting to one game against one of the best defenses in football. One of you is watching Daniel Jones play the other is watching Mac Jones.  |
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Post by krappdetector on Nov 24, 2021 23:03:32 GMT -5
We don't need to 'blow it up'.. that's just stupid, angry-boy talk.
With the limitations imposed on us by Gettleman's 'booby-trap' (ref: Morehead) we may be able to re-tool instead.
But I think the performance Monday night was the two-by-four that broke a couple of camel's backs.
Garret's gone but if we stick with Jones until 2023 we can separate the chaff from the wheat, rotate players as needed, cross our fingers...
And maybe do something like this in the draft:
5. Kenyon Green OG
7. Aidan Hutchinson EDGE
39. Trevor Penning OT
70. Jarrett Patterson OC
72. De Marv-ion Oversh0wne LB
109. Brian Asamoah LB
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