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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 1, 2021 13:04:02 GMT -5
Unfortunately all we need to know about Carter is how many gash style runs end up happening outside zone where he is Because he’s terrible. The last time he got close to a quarterback, was during team prayer. Who drafts an edge player who can’t rush the quarterback? Might as well draft a paraplegic to play running back. You mean how he fell down on his own on Reager's first drop when it looked like he was getting close ?
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 1, 2021 13:09:27 GMT -5
Good to see we agree. Anecdata is neither analysis nor data. Your feelings are your own, we are all entitled to them and while they’re valuable personally, that’s pretty much it. No one could confuse that with analysis. Hopefully next time you'll be able to answer my question but I'm not holding my breath.. Rinse and repeat at least you're consistent.. Congrats.. I couldn’t answer your question because the question didn’t make any sense to me. You know that no one keeps track of anyone else’s posts and then you ask how to quantify it? I said this stuff is unquantifiable. If someone were interested in building a platform that tracked the accuracy of everyone’s posts, I’d encourage them and hope for their success in their new business venture.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 1, 2021 13:13:31 GMT -5
All 22 tape if you have time to watch Maybe in 2030 when the team is finally winning more games then losing.. Now it's me and family time once the game is over.. It's rare I can really take the time needed to absorb this witb everything on my plate
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Post by thetruth on Dec 1, 2021 13:33:07 GMT -5
Yeah I agree. Everyone has their own opinions Heck I disagree with Mike on occasion but he can feel how he wants, and I get why he does. We call come here to discuss opinions and if that changes the way you think, so be it, if not? okay, move on. I think its up to us not the mods to keep this place civil. We're all Giants fans, after all. He'll I know we don't always agree..hell we got heated a few times . But those of us (90% )realize we have actual knowledge and such and can understand why someone has a different point of view .. You personally bring a lot of analysis to your posts ....I respect a lot of what you say It's why I value your opinion and others even if I don't agree all the time Likewise, my friend. its all about approach. Mine hasn't always been the best and you learn from it. someone a lot smarter than me once said "assume the person you are speaking to know something you do not" simple, but changed how I looked at things. Ive learned a lot from you and others on the board. Heck, even Gunner, its a pretty unique place in this day and age. The constant is that we're all Giants fans. We will have differing opinions and they're all subject to debate.
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 1, 2021 13:40:09 GMT -5
He'll I know we don't always agree..hell we got heated a few times . But those of us (90% )realize we have actual knowledge and such and can understand why someone has a different point of view .. You personally bring a lot of analysis to your posts ....I respect a lot of what you say It's why I value your opinion and others even if I don't agree all the time Likewise, my friend. its all about approach. Mine hasn't always been the best and you learn from it. someone a lot smarter than me once said "assume the person you are speaking to know something you do not" simple, but changed how I looked at things. Ive learned a lot from you and others on the board. Heck, even Gunner, its a pretty unique place in this day and age. The constant is that we're all Giants fans. We will have differing opinions and they're all subject to debate. If you are not changing,evolving and growing as a person in every area you will just stay stagnant in life. I've learned this as well many times And it's easy to see who is doing this and evolving and those who just stay at the same place with no effort to change faults or even just better oneself with something they are strong with to be better. You can even see it on here Contrary to the opinion of a loud very few I willingly will admit to being wrong about someone of a situation here..(half the time I WANT to be wrong..especially my theory on the Mara brothers) Some just ..well....
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Post by vinnie on Dec 1, 2021 13:45:46 GMT -5
Maybe when the season is over or of they don’t hire Abrams as GM then I can sleep it off. Still waiting to see how bad Mara screws this up in the off season. imo, there are two sides which have something in common. Both side want progress. A plan which makes football sense so the Giants can win more games. The great divide is the perception of what moves will prove to be more successful. This isn’t hindsight as one side praised the moves and the other couldn’t make sense of the moves. The record speaks to who was correct and i’m certain that side questioning the offseason moves would have loved to have been wrong. The side praising moves doesn’t appear willing to be accountable and is therefore considered less credible. Take ownership and own your position is my advice for a message board. In-person these relationships would have been severed. cheers Some people, mainly homers, will defend every move the Giants and/or GM until proven otherwise whereas as some of us are critical from the get go. The homers will call the rest of us pessimists, not “real” fans, whiners, etc until what we complained about becomes reality and then the homers jump on board like they were always against whatever move the rest of were complaining about (ie Barley, Solder, OBJ by signing then trading, the O line, the way the team was built, etc). Yup, we were all whiners and cry babies until we were right (unfortunately) and now those homers act like they agreed all along.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 1, 2021 13:49:04 GMT -5
Absolutely not, because of his ridiculous posts. Billy Price is a good center, not admitting DG is a bad GM until recently (if he even did), Hernandez is a food guard, Solder was a good signing…what Giants fan agrees with any of that? Add on the occasional ridiculous comments he makes just to annoy people, that’s what trolls do. You’re funny vin, I've never actually said any of those things. Is Hernandez a food guard? He plays like one. It is funny because I already said two things you probably would have denied saying had I not directly quoted you and I guarantee I can find where you said both Billy Price is a good center and Hernandez a GOOD guard if I take the time to go through your post history because I specifically remember arguing with you over both of them.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 1, 2021 13:54:31 GMT -5
Absolutely not, because of his ridiculous posts. Billy Price is a good center, not admitting DG is a bad GM until recently (if he even did), Hernandez is a food guard, Solder was a good signing…what Giants fan agrees with any of that? Add on the occasional ridiculous comments he makes just to annoy people, that’s what trolls do. I’m sure you and all of us fall into that same boat for some. So what? He’s entitled to bad opinions just like the rest of us. No one is keeping score. Sure, some just have a lot more bad opinions than others and although no one is keeping score some invite more “controversy” than others because they are more ridiculous. Pretty sure if I started a thread defending DG right now it would cause a shit storm. Why? Because it’s ridiculous and because people do care what other posters say, which you don’t happen to agree with. If you’re willing to post something publicly you should be willing to own it, not deny it or constantly make excuses.
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Post by vinnie on Dec 1, 2021 13:59:24 GMT -5
It is funny because I already said two things you probably would have denied saying had I not directly quoted you and I guarantee I can find where you said both Billy Price is a good center and Hernandez a GOOD guard if I take the time to go through your post history because I specifically remember arguing with you over both of them. And if you do quote their posts they will claim you're obsessed and a stalker as a defense mechanism. Yup and that’s fine, I’m just going to hold people accountable for what they said if I’m trying to prove a point or if they deny ever saying it. Anyone is more then welcome to scan my post history and call me out, I’d be more than happy to explain it or say I was wrong. Personally, I think being able to view a users past posts is wonderful so they can’t deny or run from things they said. Perhaps it will cause them to think a little more before typing some asinine crap.
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Post by McCherry on Dec 1, 2021 14:05:06 GMT -5
You’re funny vin, I've never actually said any of those things. Is Hernandez a food guard? He plays like one. It is funny because I already said two things you probably would have denied saying had I not directly quoted you and I guarantee I can find where you said both Billy Price is a good center and Hernandez a GOOD guard if I take the time to go through your post history because I specifically remember arguing with you over both of them. I've only said Price was a good backup. And outside his rookie year, I've always maintained that Hernandez was nothing more than an average Guard. But you always spend too much time talking when you should be listening, as I'm sure you get told often.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 1, 2021 14:12:22 GMT -5
imo, there are two sides which have something in common. Both side want progress. A plan which makes football sense so the Giants can win more games. The great divide is the perception of what moves will prove to be more successful. This isn’t hindsight as one side praised the moves and the other couldn’t make sense of the moves. The record speaks to who was correct and i’m certain that side questioning the offseason moves would have loved to have been wrong. The side praising moves doesn’t appear willing to be accountable and is therefore considered less credible. Take ownership and own your position is my advice for a message board. In-person these relationships would have been severed. cheers Some people, mainly homers, will defend every move the Giants and/or GM until proven otherwise whereas as some of us are critical from the get go. The homers will call the rest of us pessimists, not “real” fans, whiners, etc until what we complained about becomes reality and then the homers jump on board like they were always against whatever move the rest of were complaining about (ie Barley, Solder, OBJ by signing then trading, the O line, the way the team was built, etc). Yup, we were all whiners and cry babies until we were right (unfortunately) and now those homers act like they agreed all along. lol, despite being attacked and these unsolicited broadcasts of who is being put on ignore we’re all apparently protected by mods we’ve never complained too. haha i called it!!!!
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 1, 2021 14:16:42 GMT -5
Unfortunately all we need to know about Carter is how many gash style runs end up happening outside zone where he is Because he’s terrible. The last time he got close to a quarterback, was during team prayer. Who drafts an edge player who can’t rush the quarterback? Might as well draft a paraplegic to play running back. Remember that one scrimmage against our shit OL he had like 30 sacks? lol ... you can't make this stuff up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 14:18:23 GMT -5
Some people, mainly homers, will defend every move the Giants and/or GM until proven otherwise whereas as some of us are critical from the get go. The homers will call the rest of us pessimists, not “real” fans, whiners, etc until what we complained about becomes reality and then the homers jump on board like they were always against whatever move the rest of were complaining about (ie Barley, Solder, OBJ by signing then trading, the O line, the way the team was built, etc). Yup, we were all whiners and cry babies until we were right (unfortunately) and now those homers act like they agreed all along. lol, despite being attacked and these unsolicited broadcasts of who is being put on ignore we’re all apparently protected by mods we’ve never complained too. haha i called it!!!! That's it!! Nothing about football with you two on THIS subject!! Thankful there is block mode out here to use.. See you two in another life or your next responses..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 14:19:33 GMT -5
Because he’s terrible. The last time he got close to a quarterback, was during team prayer. Who drafts an edge player who can’t rush the quarterback? Might as well draft a paraplegic to play running back. Remember that one scrimmage against our shit OL he had like 30 sacks? lol ... you can't make this stuff up. That LT is now playing lights out thanks to the schooling Carter gave him early last season in camp!!
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Post by mendy on Dec 1, 2021 14:34:16 GMT -5
Maybe when the season is over or of they don’t hire Abrams as GM then I can sleep it off. Still waiting to see how bad Mara screws this up in the off season. if Mara makes Abrams the new GM then that will confirm the suspicions about where the problems lie with this team.... How?
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 1, 2021 14:38:02 GMT -5
You’re complaining about moderating others after you just insulted me. If everyone here just stuck to football conversation instead of talking about the opinions and judgement of other members, this board wouldn't need moderation. Where did I call for moderation? I just pointed out to a moderator, who said that calling people trolls shouldn't be allowed, that it often goes unmoderated. Me personally? I couldn't care less about if a board is moderated or not. The ones that aren't are fine by me. Calling your perspectives "foolish" is not personally insulting. I'm literally targeting your football perspectives. Calling someone a "troll" or "obsessed" or "stalker" is targeting the poster. And has nothing to do with football perspectives. It's just pure drivel. You are not a "troll," not a raging idiot and not caustic like a "special" someone we all know. I repeatedly get called a "racist" by a batshit crazy poster who keeps changing his screen name just because I disagree with his asinine posts. I've asked him to identify even one post of mine that has been "racist" and, of course he has been unable to do so. I haven't place him on "ignore" or complained to the mods because I think that is piss weak ... I can fight my own battles or choose to ignore him if I am feeling charitable.
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Post by TCHOF on Dec 1, 2021 14:39:28 GMT -5
Remember that one scrimmage against our shit OL he had like 30 sacks? lol ... you can't make this stuff up. That LT is now playing lights out thanks to the schooling Carter gave him early last season in camp!! Was it AT that he schooled in that scrimmage? I just remember that he had a ton of sacks ... lol
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Post by Tyrell on Dec 1, 2021 14:41:34 GMT -5
Mara has melted my brain into a twisted pretzel watching this team. Day is night. Water is dry. Jones is a touchdown scoring machine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 14:41:36 GMT -5
That LT is now playing lights out thanks to the schooling Carter gave him early last season in camp!! Was it AT that he schooled in that scrimmage? I just remember that he had a ton of sacks ... lol I'm pretty sure he was the one and all I thought was the Giants are in trouble if Carter is abusing him.. Either way using practice to verify a player is comical..
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Post by ratbastich on Dec 1, 2021 14:42:27 GMT -5
Hmm, bad neck. That certainly explains why he couldn't turn his head to progress through the other receivers. Seems like a season long injury. That almost sounds like a Judge headphone "excuse-that-is-not-an-excuse-but-brought-up-by-the-guy-who-is-using-it-as-an-excuse-even-though-he-says-he-isn't".
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Post by myronguyton on Dec 1, 2021 14:43:23 GMT -5
Looks like Jones will practice now and could possibly play on Sunday. Strange 24 hours of Daniel Jones news.
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Post by ocgiant on Dec 1, 2021 14:45:14 GMT -5
I bought in on DJ but thought it was too high of a pick, SB I was no in agreement but bought in on his talent would give the Giants a serious weapon to build an offense upon. I was wrong both times DJ is up & down not consistent enough and the last two games have proven to me he is not the QB to lead this team forward. SB just to many injuries and he cannot run inside he is better as a speciality back and in space too much of luxury for the price he'll want to be paid. I am with you time to move on with yet again another reset but I see no other option at this point. Maybe Judge survives. I hated the DJ pick from the get go but it’s ridiculous for anyone to assume that I (or anyone else who didn’t like the pick) wanted him to fail. There were even times where he got my hopes but the consistency isn’t there and I’m done hearing the excuses. Yeah, the O line sucks, but even when he does have time he falls into his same old habits too often. After the TB game, I decided I was done giving him second and 10th chances, I’ve had it with him. Unfortunately, I don’t see a QB in this draft worth chasing so we’re better off building the O line and D line and hope to draft a QB in 2 years when we’re hopefully more stable. Maybe wishful thinking on my part but maybe they can find somewhere a QB to get on the roster either draft(no gone well either) or another team someone to challenge him instead of him being the heir apparent again.
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Post by Parademon1 on Dec 1, 2021 14:47:09 GMT -5
Looks like Jones will practice now and could possibly play on Sunday. Strange 24 hours of Daniel Jones news. Pop a damn Motrin, chug some H20 & get da freak out there! If he's this injury prone at 24, my God, what's his health gonna look like in his late 20s/early 30s?
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Post by ratbastich on Dec 1, 2021 14:49:24 GMT -5
Looks like Jones will practice now and could possibly play on Sunday. Strange 24 hours of Daniel Jones news. Pop a damn Motrin, chug some H20 & get da freak out there! If he's this injury prone at 24, my God, what's his health gonna look like in his late 20s/early 30s? Hell, I get hurt just thinking about getting out of bed now
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Post by myronguyton on Dec 1, 2021 15:01:58 GMT -5
Looks like Jones will practice now and could possibly play on Sunday. Strange 24 hours of Daniel Jones news. Pop a damn Motrin, chug some H20 & get da freak out there! If he's this injury prone at 24, my God, what's his health gonna look like in his late 20s/early 30s? It's just very odd. I mean, he played the whole game with it last week. I can't imagine it's Jones not wanting to play through it. Either he's playing this week, or he has a potentially serious issue with his neck that should probably end his season.
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Post by Kruunch on Dec 1, 2021 15:06:52 GMT -5
Because he’s terrible. The last time he got close to a quarterback, was during team prayer. Who drafts an edge player who can’t rush the quarterback? Might as well draft a paraplegic to play running back. Remember that one scrimmage against our shit OL he had like 30 sacks? lol ... you can't make this stuff up. Our line couldn’t push a shopping cart down a hill.
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Post by allnygin on Dec 1, 2021 15:09:08 GMT -5
Pop a damn Motrin, chug some H20 & get da freak out there! If he's this injury prone at 24, my God, what's his health gonna look like in his late 20s/early 30s? It's just very odd. I mean, he played the whole game with it last week. I can't imagine it's Jones not wanting to play through it. Either he's playing this week, or he has a potentially serious issue with his neck that should probably end his season. adreneline. ITs amazing what the body can do.. now once that wears off and you wake up the next day it feels a million times worse.. this is probably what happend with jones. Didn't feel that bad during the game and woke up thinking.. oh shit, this is for real..
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 1, 2021 15:11:59 GMT -5
It's just very odd. I mean, he played the whole game with it last week. I can't imagine it's Jones not wanting to play through it. Either he's playing this week, or he has a potentially serious issue with his neck that should probably end his season. adreneline. ITs amazing what the body can do.. now once that wears off and you wake up the next day it feels a million times worse.. this is probably what happend with jones. Didn't feel that bad during the game and woke up thinking.. oh shit, this is for real.. You know how many injuries I had playing ice hockey I had no idea o had until the next morning That blocked shot off your midsection .. Smashing into the boards trying to get to a loose puck shoulder first.
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Post by myronguyton on Dec 1, 2021 15:17:54 GMT -5
It's just very odd. I mean, he played the whole game with it last week. I can't imagine it's Jones not wanting to play through it. Either he's playing this week, or he has a potentially serious issue with his neck that should probably end his season. adreneline. ITs amazing what the body can do.. now once that wears off and you wake up the next day it feels a million times worse.. this is probably what happend with jones. Didn't feel that bad during the game and woke up thinking.. oh shit, this is for real.. I get all that, but I doubt his status would be in question due to pain. So like I said, either he's playing Sunday, or there's a serious problem with his neck. If you can play through an injury due to adrenaline, and its safe to do so, there's no reason you couldn't do it again a week later. Give him some aleve and a shot of cortisone and he'll be good to go.
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 1, 2021 15:18:22 GMT -5
It's just very odd. I mean, he played the whole game with it last week. I can't imagine it's Jones not wanting to play through it. Either he's playing this week, or he has a potentially serious issue with his neck that should probably end his season. adreneline. ITs amazing what the body can do.. now once that wears off and you wake up the next day it feels a million times worse.. this is probably what happend with jones. Didn't feel that bad during the game and woke up thinking.. oh shit, this is for real.. late inflammatory response and tightens up the next day.
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