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Post by Dogecoin on Jan 11, 2022 21:54:32 GMT -5
Can't make this work with Jones still on the roster. They're too close in talent.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Jan 11, 2022 22:05:21 GMT -5
Yes, let's get Jimmy G. Then bring in Josh McDaniels for the HC. And then we can chase them out with pitchforks in 2 years as well. Boy...McDaniels seems to be a very solid OC, and possibly skilled at developing a QB, but as a HC? Probably a reason you don't hear his name mentioned often. And I'll go ahead and say the name...Doug Peterson Pederson would be a solid option IMO. Harbaugh too.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 11, 2022 22:09:39 GMT -5
........I'm now going for the quinella by predicting that Jimmy G. will be our starting QB week 1 next year. I can see us keeping DJ as a viable back up. I want Russell Wilson.......bad Yeah!!
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 11, 2022 22:16:02 GMT -5
Forget the money both Wilson and Jimmy would require...how many draft picks would you give up to get them?
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Post by jaymas on Jan 12, 2022 9:31:42 GMT -5
Tough to make a case against Doug Pederson based on resume. He also would bring an offense far closer to the one Daniel Jones looked like a good rookie QB in. Not saying Jones will be the guy long term, but I'd have to think that offense with offensive line improvements gives him his best chance to nail his "tryout" next season.
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Post by Roswell on Jan 12, 2022 9:37:39 GMT -5
I don't want Wilson or Jimmy G. They need to get on course and stay on course with a responsible and patient rebuild. They have 5 of the first 80 picks. That can go a long way towards addressing their major weaknesses.
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Post by krappdetector on Jan 12, 2022 12:30:39 GMT -5
I know I am in the minority here, but I feel DJ can be the guy with the right coaching and support. Clearly a quality backup is needed given his injury history, that should be much easier to do than try to get a marquis FA QB and kill our other options. So we're going for royalty as well as talent?
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 12:49:08 GMT -5
Forget the money both Wilson and Jimmy would require...how many draft picks would you give up to get them? Jimmy is going to be released and become a UFA I don't see any possibility of that. he is worth a lot in a trade. Why would they give that up?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 13:12:12 GMT -5
Daniel Jones will be the starter next year, if healthy….if anything we might draft a QB being we have a 5 and 7 as that’s what new GM and head coaches like to do when acquiring a QB with as many deficiencies as Jones. We’re certainly not acquiring by trade any overpriced veterans for 2022.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 13:15:29 GMT -5
I don't see any possibility of that. he is worth a lot in a trade. Why would they give that up? Because the potential trade partners know that come March the 9ers have no other option to release him. The 9ers literally have very little leverage in the negotiation. Also: Jimmy G has a no trade clause in his contract. If you trade for a player, you don't have to then compete against other teams like you do with free agents. They have plenty of leverage since there will be several teams interested in him. They could probably get a 2nd rounder for him.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 13:16:35 GMT -5
Daniel Jones will be the starter next year, if healthy….if anything we might draft a QB being we have a 5 and 7 as that’s what new GM and head coaches like to do when acquiring a QB with as many deficiencies as Jones. We’re certainly not acquiring by trade any overpriced veterans for 2022. It's possible but I'm not convinced of that at all. Not with a new regime from outside coming in. He'll be a Giant for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's a back up next year.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 12, 2022 13:34:52 GMT -5
I don't see any possibility of that. he is worth a lot in a trade. Why would they give that up? Because the potential trade partners know that come March the 9ers have no other option to release him. The 9ers literally have very little leverage in the negotiation. Also: Jimmy G has a no trade clause in his contract. I don't see it that way. If he plays well in the playoffs, they could continue to play him, and let the kid they drafted sit another year. While not ideal for the cap, it makes good football sense.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 12, 2022 13:36:13 GMT -5
Daniel Jones will be the starter next year, if healthy….if anything we might draft a QB being we have a 5 and 7 as that’s what new GM and head coaches like to do when acquiring a QB with as many deficiencies as Jones. We’re certainly not acquiring by trade any overpriced veterans for 2022. It's possible but I'm not convinced of that at all. Not with a new regime from outside coming in. He'll be a Giant for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's a back up next year.
To me, like Aris said, the main thing is his health. We won't know exactly until training camp. The team absolutely needs to have a decent back up at least. Even if he is healthy, does anyone have confidence that he'll be able to play all 17 games, with his injury history?
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Post by FaceAcrossTheFloor on Jan 12, 2022 13:38:56 GMT -5
........I'm now going for the quinella by predicting that Jimmy G. will be our starting QB week 1 next year. I can see us keeping DJ as a viable back up. you think they are going to pony up upwards of $25 mil for Jimmy G and still have D.J. on the roster? I don't see that happening. We shall see
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 13:40:59 GMT -5
........I'm now going for the quinella by predicting that Jimmy G. will be our starting QB week 1 next year. I can see us keeping DJ as a viable back up. you think they are going to pony up upwards of $25 mil for Jimmy G and still have D.J. on the roster? I don't see that happening. We shall see One thing we've learned...You need two QB's who can function in the offense. Especially when you have guys who are injury prone.
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Post by FaceAcrossTheFloor on Jan 12, 2022 13:45:17 GMT -5
you think they are going to pony up upwards of $25 mil for Jimmy G and still have D.J. on the roster? I don't see that happening. We shall see One thing we've learned...You need two QB's who can function in the offense. Especially when you have guys who are injury prone. Just doesn't seem financially intelligent to me Especially for a new GM Jimmy will be one expensive stopgap Then you have to consider the Jones option I love the idea and I hope it happens but that will take some finagling for sure
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Post by Nite on Jan 12, 2022 13:45:28 GMT -5
Jimmy G has too many troubles staying on the field, I simply don't trust his health. I would also not be willing to part with high picks to get Russell W, we need to build the trenches with those picks. That needs to be priority #1, 2 and 3!! jimmy g is a more polished jones. They won’t take 3 straight lineman lol. Too many homes to fill, pass rush is right up there. We also need a WR, CB, RB (laaater rds) and a solid TE (I think they should just release Engram or trade for picks. He put up decent numbers this year and he also lost us games) No need to draft a QB, we ain't going to be very good this year so why waste a pick?
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 12, 2022 14:16:29 GMT -5
Forget the money both Wilson and Jimmy would require...how many draft picks would you give up to get them? Jimmy is going to be released and become a UFA That's a pretty valuable asset to throw away...don't see that happening.
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Post by Delicreep on Jan 12, 2022 14:17:57 GMT -5
Because the potential trade partners know that come March the 9ers have no other option to release him. The 9ers literally have very little leverage in the negotiation. Also: Jimmy G has a no trade clause in his contract. If you trade for a player, you don't have to then compete against other teams like you do with free agents. They have plenty of leverage since there will be several teams interested in him. They could probably get a 2nd rounder for him. With what is seen as a QB poor draft class, they might do better than that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:29:55 GMT -5
Daniel Jones will be the starter next year, if healthy….if anything we might draft a QB being we have a 5 and 7 as that’s what new GM and head coaches like to do when acquiring a QB with as many deficiencies as Jones. We’re certainly not acquiring by trade any overpriced veterans for 2022. It's possible but I'm not convinced of that at all. Not with a new regime from outside coming in. He'll be a Giant for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's a back up next year.
I’m fairly convinced that we are not trading for a veteran QB whom is now starting on another team and making big dollars….although we might take a flyer on a good career back up with some arm talent via a free agent and reasonable in dollars. This team has not even acquired a GM as of yet, and thus no coach, and with that…no system. I’d say the Vegas money is Daniel Jones as the 4th year guy, again, if healthy….and if not healthy, drafting a QB as better odds vs trading our prime assets on some overpaid starter. Our cap next year is such a mess it probably kept our specialist off the GM interview list. I see it two ways…. 1 - Daniel Jones and a decent backup who fits the system our new HC wants. 2 - Drafting a QB this year as the new franchise…not what I would do We need to fix this offensive line in a major way, and that is for any QB and any system….that’s why Neal will be the LT for Trevor Lawrence next year….if you place a QB behind a horrific OL, and that is ours…you will ruin a drafted guy no matter how talented. Hopefully the fan base allows them 2 years to fix that with this years prime resources and gets the actual QB next year…or Daniel Jones is taught to stay in a actual pocket…and from running head first into linebackers. If not we might trade back this year and get some ammo to move up next year, where actual talent at the QB position might go first 3 picks and be NFL ready….with an in place OL and a coach who can call plays to get receiver separation, and create holes for the new running backs. Now if we can get Wilson for a few middle round picks and he takes a huge pay cut….why not?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2022 14:32:32 GMT -5
It's possible but I'm not convinced of that at all. Not with a new regime from outside coming in. He'll be a Giant for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's a back up next year.
I’m fairly convinced that we are not trading for a veteran QB whom is now starting on another team and making big dollars….although we might take a flyer on a good career back up with some arm talent via a free agent and reasonable in dollars. This team has not even acquired a GM as of yet, and thus no coach, and with that…no system. I’d say the Vegas money is Daniel Jones as the 4th year guy, again, if healthy….and if not healthy, drafting a QB as better odds vs trading our prime assets on some overpaid starter. Our cap next year is such a mess it probably kept our specialist off the GM interview list. I see it two ways…. 1 - Daniel Jones and a decent backup who fits the system our new HC wants. 2 - Drafting a QB this year as the new franchise…not what I would do We need to fix this offensive line in a major way, and that is for any QB and any system….that’s why Neal will be the LT for Trevor Lawrence next year….if you place a QB behind a horrific OL, and that is ours…you will ruin a drafted guy no matter how talented. Hopefully the fan base allows them 2 years to fix that with this years prime resources and gets the actual QB next year…or Daniel Jones is taught to stay in a actual pocket…and from running head first into linebackers. If not we might trade back this year and get some ammo to move up next year, where actual talent at the QB position might go first 3 picks and be NFL ready….with an in place OL and a coach who can call plays to get receiver separation, and create holes for the new running backs. Now if we can get Wilson for a few middle round picks and he takes a huge pay cut….why not? All of this logic in one post Overwhelming Awesome
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Post by jmike on Jan 12, 2022 14:37:52 GMT -5
........I'm now going for the quinella by predicting that Jimmy G. will be our starting QB week 1 next year. I can see us keeping DJ as a viable back up. Well, if you are right again, at least we will know right off the bat that the Mara's hired another idiot for GM and we can make other plans for Sundays for another 2 years.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 14:48:10 GMT -5
With what is seen as a QB poor draft class, they might do better than that. What seems to be consistently ignored is: Garoppolo has a no trade clause. He'd be an idiot to accept a trade on the last year of his contract when he can hit the open market as a UFA and get a multiyear deal with far more guaranteed money. Then average arm talent Jimmy probably goes free agent. Then it’s just overpaying for a QB whom is good and injured a lot….not sure we can get into a bidding war nor want to get into a bidding way for Garoppolo. If Daniel Jones is healthy, the IMHO no brainer is go year 4 on Jones, whom can also be good, and injured a lot…and we can then rid ourselves of that and go intense arm talent dual threat QB that is smart, poised and can throw it on the run vs just run into linebackers and fumble a lot.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 14:52:31 GMT -5
One thing we've learned...You need two QB's who can function in the offense. Especially when you have guys who are injury prone. Just doesn't seem financially intelligent to me Especially for a new GM Jimmy will be one expensive stopgap Then you have to consider the Jones option I love the idea and I hope it happens but that will take some finagling for sure We are going to be releasing and restructuring a lot of players. Dave put us in a terrible spot cap wise because he was all in for 2021. So you are certainly right that it will be difficult to fix this cap situation. But it's also har to believe that a new GM and HC would be content with DJ as the defacto starter next year.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 14:54:47 GMT -5
........I'm now going for the quinella by predicting that Jimmy G. will be our starting QB week 1 next year. I can see us keeping DJ as a viable back up. Well, if you are right again, at least we will know right off the bat that the Mara's hired another idiot for GM and we can make other plans for Sundays for another 2 years. Well he's in the playoffs. And he is because he drove his team 88 yards with less than 2 minutes left in the game with no time outs to tie the Rams game and then won it in overtime. So you may or may not be right. But don't suggest he's not a capable NFL QB.
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Post by jmike on Jan 12, 2022 15:06:47 GMT -5
Well, if you are right again, at least we will know right off the bat that the Mara's hired another idiot for GM and we can make other plans for Sundays for another 2 years. Well he's in the playoffs. And he is because he drove his team 88 yards with less than 2 minutes left in the game with no time outs to tie the Rams game and then won it in overtime. So you may or may not be right. But don't suggest he's not a capable NFL QB. When did I say he isn't a capable QB? He'd be an absolutely idiotic signing here. If a GM suggests it as a joke while drunk at the office party he should be fired for allowing such a bad idea to even be entertained that much in his head. He will be expensive, he will be often injured, he will likely cost draft picks and these things will prevent us from improving the other areas on the team which will lead to less success and more injury to our very expensive QB. So, as I said. If the GM does make the decision you suggest; it will be clear the Giants made another bad hire and we should start considering who the new GM and HC will be after the next 2 seasons and 8 wins.
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Post by jmike on Jan 12, 2022 15:08:15 GMT -5
If we can sign him for no draft picks and incentive laden contract; I'm on board with that. I just don't think that is likely.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 15:16:29 GMT -5
If we can sign him for no draft picks and incentive laden contract; I'm on board with that. I just don't think that is likely. If we don't trade for him, he will undoubtedly be traded to a team like Pittsburgh or Denver. He costs about $24MM to whoever acquires him. I truly doubt he'll be a free agent but I can't guarantee that either.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 15:17:15 GMT -5
Well he's in the playoffs. And he is because he drove his team 88 yards with less than 2 minutes left in the game with no time outs to tie the Rams game and then won it in overtime. So you may or may not be right. But don't suggest he's not a capable NFL QB. When did I say he isn't a capable QB? He'd be an absolutely idiotic signing here. If a GM suggests it as a joke while drunk at the office party he should be fired for allowing such a bad idea to even be entertained that much in his head. He will be expensive, he will be often injured, he will likely cost draft picks and these things will prevent us from improving the other areas on the team which will lead to less success and more injury to our very expensive QB. So, as I said. If the GM does make the decision you suggest; it will be clear the Giants made another bad hire and we should start considering who the new GM and HC will be after the next 2 seasons and 8 wins. What are the other options?
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Post by jmike on Jan 12, 2022 15:28:54 GMT -5
If we can sign him for no draft picks and incentive laden contract; I'm on board with that. I just don't think that is likely. If we don't trade for him, he will undoubtedly be traded to a team like Pittsburgh or Denver. He costs about $24MM to whoever acquires him. I truly doubt he'll be a free agent but I can't guarantee that either. $24mill, plus draft picks is way to much for this team to spend this off season on a QB. It will be pissing money and picks away for what? 6 wins instead of 4?
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