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Post by jmike on Jan 12, 2022 15:33:21 GMT -5
When did I say he isn't a capable QB? He'd be an absolutely idiotic signing here. If a GM suggests it as a joke while drunk at the office party he should be fired for allowing such a bad idea to even be entertained that much in his head. He will be expensive, he will be often injured, he will likely cost draft picks and these things will prevent us from improving the other areas on the team which will lead to less success and more injury to our very expensive QB. So, as I said. If the GM does make the decision you suggest; it will be clear the Giants made another bad hire and we should start considering who the new GM and HC will be after the next 2 seasons and 8 wins. What are the other options? Build the areas of the team that will allow a QB to be successful when he gets here. Give Jones another season while he is cost controlled to see if he can do more than he has shown. Trade one of our 1sts this year to move down in the first and get another first next year; so you have the picks to go get a guy if there is one next draft. There does not seem to be that guy in this draft. Though if our new GM and HC think the answer is in this draft, you get him. Sign a vet FA QB like Tyrod Taylor or that caliber and let him or Jones hold the QB spot for a season. Lots of options; all of them better than spending a ton of money and some draft picks on a QB that can't stay healthy to play behind an OL that can't keep a QB healthy.
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 12, 2022 15:37:57 GMT -5
........I'm now going for the quinella by predicting that Jimmy G. will be our starting QB week 1 next year. I can see us keeping DJ as a viable back up. I want Russell Wilson.......bad Can't do it. Hes too old, we can't protect him, and we need those picks because we have alot of holes
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 12, 2022 15:38:25 GMT -5
........I'm now going for the quinella by predicting that Jimmy G. will be our starting QB week 1 next year. I can see us keeping DJ as a viable back up. I could see it. We're definitely going to be in the market for a Jimmy G type. Not particularly in love with him though
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 12, 2022 15:39:15 GMT -5
........I'm now going for the quinella by predicting that Jimmy G. will be our starting QB week 1 next year. I can see us keeping DJ as a viable back up. Ooooh…..just when you were on a hot streak. Jimmy G behind the Giant offensive line would be knocked out for the season in August. Team needs a reliable, sturdy QB, not a porcelain doll. Nobody is safe behind the line as it currently stands. Eli was a freak show and we're spoiled because of it thinking people can survive like that.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2022 15:39:29 GMT -5
What are the other options? Build the areas of the team that will allow a QB to be successful when he gets here. Give Jones another season while he is cost controlled to see if he can do more than he has shown. Trade one of our 1sts this year to move down in the first and get another first next year; so you have the picks to go get a guy if there is one next draft. There does not seem to be that guy in this draft. Though if our new GM and HC think the answer is in this draft, you get him. Sign a vet FA QB like Tyrod Taylor or that caliber and let him or Jones hold the QB spot for a season. Lots of options; all of them better than spending a ton of money and some draft picks on a QB that can't stay healthy to play behind an OL that can't keep a QB healthy. Taylor is the perfect guy .....he will probably by this point come a little cheaper as well
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 12, 2022 15:40:43 GMT -5
........I'm now going for the quinella by predicting that Jimmy G. will be our starting QB week 1 next year. I can see us keeping DJ as a viable back up. . With what cap space? And what premium pick that could be used elsewhere of need (mainly O line or front 7)would you give up? And this guy is as fragile if not moreso than Jones Jones is fine as the bridge guy if he is healthy Regardless, Giants are going to have to go for a vet QB next year. We're going to be saddled with Jones and we can't rely on him. You want another Glennon? Spending that money is going to be imperative.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2022 15:42:40 GMT -5
. With what cap space? And what premium pick that could be used elsewhere of need (mainly O line or front 7)would you give up? And this guy is as fragile if not moreso than Jones Jones is fine as the bridge guy if he is healthy Regardless, Giants are going to have to go for a vet QB next year. We're going to be saddled with Jones and we can't rely on him. You want another Glennon? Spending that money is going to be imperative. Post above yours Tyrod Taylor probably comes a little cheaper as he is getting a little older but still good enough to be a hold the fort kind of guy
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 12, 2022 15:43:55 GMT -5
Yes, let's get Jimmy G. Then bring in Josh McDaniels for the HC. And then we can chase them out with pitchforks in 2 years as well. Boy...McDaniels seems to be a very solid OC, and possibly skilled at developing a QB, but as a HC? Probably a reason you don't hear his name mentioned often. And I'll go ahead and say the name...Doug Peterson
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 12, 2022 15:45:27 GMT -5
Forget the money both Wilson and Jimmy would require...how many draft picks would you give up to get them? Jimmy is going to be released and become a UFA www.spotrac.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/jimmy-garoppolo-14472/Its possible and I am not sure they will def get a first rounder but they will definitely get something for him at that point.
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 12, 2022 15:48:08 GMT -5
........I'm now going for the quinella by predicting that Jimmy G. will be our starting QB week 1 next year. I can see us keeping DJ as a viable back up. you think they are going to pony up upwards of $25 mil for Jimmy G and still have D.J. on the roster? I don't see that happening. We shall see I mean Jones is still on his rookie contract and is an 8mil cap hit. Thats pretty going rate for a backup QB. Its not the most insane possibility
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 12, 2022 15:50:38 GMT -5
What seems to be consistently ignored is: Garoppolo has a no trade clause. He'd be an idiot to accept a trade on the last year of his contract when he can hit the open market as a UFA and get a multiyear deal with far more guaranteed money. Then average arm talent Jimmy probably goes free agent. Then it’s just overpaying for a QB whom is good and injured a lot….not sure we can get into a bidding war nor want to get into a bidding way for Garoppolo. If Daniel Jones is healthy, the IMHO no brainer is go year 4 on Jones, whom can also be good, and injured a lot…and we can then rid ourselves of that and go intense arm talent dual threat QB that is smart, poised and can throw it on the run vs just run into linebackers and fumble a lot. All quarterbacks are overpaid though in reality.
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 12, 2022 15:52:05 GMT -5
Build the areas of the team that will allow a QB to be successful when he gets here. Give Jones another season while he is cost controlled to see if he can do more than he has shown. Trade one of our 1sts this year to move down in the first and get another first next year; so you have the picks to go get a guy if there is one next draft. There does not seem to be that guy in this draft. Though if our new GM and HC think the answer is in this draft, you get him. Sign a vet FA QB like Tyrod Taylor or that caliber and let him or Jones hold the QB spot for a season. Lots of options; all of them better than spending a ton of money and some draft picks on a QB that can't stay healthy to play behind an OL that can't keep a QB healthy. Taylor is the perfect guy .....he will probably by this point come a little cheaper as well Tyrod?
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 12, 2022 15:53:07 GMT -5
Regardless, Giants are going to have to go for a vet QB next year. We're going to be saddled with Jones and we can't rely on him. You want another Glennon? Spending that money is going to be imperative. Post above yours Tyrod Taylor probably comes a little cheaper as he is getting a little older but still good enough to be a hold the fort kind of guy The guys played 20 games the past 4 seasons. He may be the most brittle QB in the league. He shouldn't be on our radar at all.
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Post by jmike on Jan 12, 2022 15:53:07 GMT -5
Build the areas of the team that will allow a QB to be successful when he gets here. Give Jones another season while he is cost controlled to see if he can do more than he has shown. Trade one of our 1sts this year to move down in the first and get another first next year; so you have the picks to go get a guy if there is one next draft. There does not seem to be that guy in this draft. Though if our new GM and HC think the answer is in this draft, you get him. Sign a vet FA QB like Tyrod Taylor or that caliber and let him or Jones hold the QB spot for a season. Lots of options; all of them better than spending a ton of money and some draft picks on a QB that can't stay healthy to play behind an OL that can't keep a QB healthy. Taylor is the perfect guy .....he will probably by this point come a little cheaper as well He's not terrible either. Now I wouldn't expect him to make this team a play-off caliber one. But he will give Jones competition and may beat him out for the starting role if they keep Jones around. Jimmy G is the better QB; but Taylor would be better for this team right now. I am looking at this team as basically an expansion team right now. Everything is looking at 2023; whatever wins we get in 2022 is just gravy. 2022 is the year to eat the big cap hits so they don't hit us in 2023.
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Post by jmike on Jan 12, 2022 15:59:44 GMT -5
Regardless, Giants are going to have to go for a vet QB next year. We're going to be saddled with Jones and we can't rely on him. You want another Glennon? Spending that money is going to be imperative. Post above yours Tyrod Taylor probably comes a little cheaper as he is getting a little older but still good enough to be a hold the fort kind of guy What about Cam Newton on a 1 year deal. He'll cost around 5-6Mill? I don't really know if I think that is a good idea or a terrible one. What is your thoughts on it?
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 12, 2022 16:05:55 GMT -5
Post above yours Tyrod Taylor probably comes a little cheaper as he is getting a little older but still good enough to be a hold the fort kind of guy What about Cam Newton on a 1 year deal. He'll cost around 5-6Mill? I don't really know if I think that is a good idea or a terrible one. What is your thoughts on it? Terrible He is toxic too
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 12, 2022 16:06:03 GMT -5
Post above yours Tyrod Taylor probably comes a little cheaper as he is getting a little older but still good enough to be a hold the fort kind of guy What about Cam Newton on a 1 year deal. He'll cost around 5-6Mill? I don't really know if I think that is a good idea or a terrible one. What is your thoughts on it? Cam was awful this year, I'd stay clear.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 16:07:28 GMT -5
What are the other options? Build the areas of the team that will allow a QB to be successful when he gets here. Give Jones another season while he is cost controlled to see if he can do more than he has shown. Trade one of our 1sts this year to move down in the first and get another first next year; so you have the picks to go get a guy if there is one next draft. There does not seem to be that guy in this draft. Though if our new GM and HC think the answer is in this draft, you get him. Sign a vet FA QB like Tyrod Taylor or that caliber and let him or Jones hold the QB spot for a season. Lots of options; all of them better than spending a ton of money and some draft picks on a QB that can't stay healthy to play behind an OL that can't keep a QB healthy. It's a definite possibility. But it really depends on the new GM. Is he willing to simply sacrifice 2022. Because unless we drastically improve our O line, any damage we've already done to Daniel Jones will definitely become permanent. I think we could improve and still build for the future. The Eagles were in rebuild mode and they are in the playoffs. We have to dump Saquan. It doesn't matter what we get for him but we have to dump that salary. There are also a bunch of other moves we have to make to create some cap room.
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Post by jmike on Jan 12, 2022 16:14:07 GMT -5
Build the areas of the team that will allow a QB to be successful when he gets here. Give Jones another season while he is cost controlled to see if he can do more than he has shown. Trade one of our 1sts this year to move down in the first and get another first next year; so you have the picks to go get a guy if there is one next draft. There does not seem to be that guy in this draft. Though if our new GM and HC think the answer is in this draft, you get him. Sign a vet FA QB like Tyrod Taylor or that caliber and let him or Jones hold the QB spot for a season. Lots of options; all of them better than spending a ton of money and some draft picks on a QB that can't stay healthy to play behind an OL that can't keep a QB healthy. It's a definite possibility. But it really depends on the new GM. Is he willing to simply sacrifice 2022. Because unless we drastically improve our O line, any damage we've already done to Daniel Jones will definitely become permanent. I think we could improve and still build for the future. The Eagles were in rebuild mode and they are in the playoffs. We have to dump Saquan. It doesn't matter what we get for him but we have to dump that salary. There are also a bunch of other moves we have to make to create some cap room. There are a lot of things the new GM can do to get this team heading in the right direction. Unless he does something incredibly stupid (like trading for Jimmy G); I'll give his decisions the benefit of the doubt. Did the same with DG, who proved undeserving of it; but what else can I do? Just whining and complaining about every decision is pointless and unenjoyable. Well for me anyway, plenty of others sure seem to enjoy it.
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Post by jmike on Jan 12, 2022 16:16:23 GMT -5
What about Cam Newton on a 1 year deal. He'll cost around 5-6Mill? I don't really know if I think that is a good idea or a terrible one. What is your thoughts on it? Terrible He is toxic too Fair enough. I knew he was a bit weird (who am I to criticize someone for that right) but I did not know he was toxic. Looking at the FA QBs and HCs available. Wonder what the reaction would be if they hired Pederson and signed Foles.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 16:18:17 GMT -5
It's a definite possibility. But it really depends on the new GM. Is he willing to simply sacrifice 2022. Because unless we drastically improve our O line, any damage we've already done to Daniel Jones will definitely become permanent. I think we could improve and still build for the future. The Eagles were in rebuild mode and they are in the playoffs. We have to dump Saquan. It doesn't matter what we get for him but we have to dump that salary. There are also a bunch of other moves we have to make to create some cap room. There are a lot of things the new GM can do to get this team heading in the right direction. Unless he does something incredibly stupid (like trading for Jimmy G); I'll give his decisions the benefit of the doubt. Did the same with DG, who proved undeserving of it; but what else can I do? Just whining and complaining about every decision is pointless and unenjoyable. Well for me anyway, plenty of others sure seem to enjoy it. I would tend to doubt that a new GM is going to push his chips in on Daniel Jones. I obviously can't know one way or the other, but the love of Jones seems to be reserved for what's left of the Giants FO and a handful of Giants fans. I think good football people can see how bad he is in the pocket and have a good understanding of whether or not that can be coached out of him. I suspect most think he's decent back up and nothing more.
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Post by jmike on Jan 12, 2022 16:24:07 GMT -5
There are a lot of things the new GM can do to get this team heading in the right direction. Unless he does something incredibly stupid (like trading for Jimmy G); I'll give his decisions the benefit of the doubt. Did the same with DG, who proved undeserving of it; but what else can I do? Just whining and complaining about every decision is pointless and unenjoyable. Well for me anyway, plenty of others sure seem to enjoy it. I would tend to doubt that a new GM is going to push his chips in on Daniel Jones. I obviously can't know one way or the other, but the love of Jones seems to be reserved for what's left of the Giants FO and a handful of Giants fans. I think good football people can see how bad he is in the pocket and have a good understanding of whether or not that can be coached out of him. I suspect most think he's decent back up and nothing more. Probably. But IDK. Still makes no sense to trade for Jimmy G. They could hire Jimmy's mother for GM and if she has any football sense even she wouldn't trade for him.
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 16:28:24 GMT -5
I would tend to doubt that a new GM is going to push his chips in on Daniel Jones. I obviously can't know one way or the other, but the love of Jones seems to be reserved for what's left of the Giants FO and a handful of Giants fans. I think good football people can see how bad he is in the pocket and have a good understanding of whether or not that can be coached out of him. I suspect most think he's decent back up and nothing more. Probably. But IDK. Still makes no sense to trade for Jimmy G. They could hire Jimmy's mother for GM and if she has any football sense even she wouldn't trade for him. QB and O line are the priorities right now. I can see a heavy focus on O line in the draft, plus one or two solid vets. I also think the QB position will also be dealt with in some way.....By trade or free agency, or maybe in the draft. But I don't see a strong QB class coming up this year. I think it has to by by acquisition of a vet QB. Maybe you're right. Maybe it'll be a good back up like Taylor or Dalton. Maybe it'll be a starter like Jimmy G or even Minshew. It really depends on how the future GM values any of these guys.
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 12, 2022 16:39:45 GMT -5
Post above yours Tyrod Taylor probably comes a little cheaper as he is getting a little older but still good enough to be a hold the fort kind of guy What about Cam Newton on a 1 year deal. He'll cost around 5-6Mill? I don't really know if I think that is a good idea or a terrible one. What is your thoughts on it? tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-throw-up-puke-vomit-gagging-gif-16080834
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 16:41:25 GMT -5
I think Jmike is a very thoughtful poster so I chose to ignore her comment about Cam Newton. I attribute it to some kind of mental incident that has since passed.
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Post by jmike on Jan 12, 2022 16:42:25 GMT -5
Probably. But IDK. Still makes no sense to trade for Jimmy G. They could hire Jimmy's mother for GM and if she has any football sense even she wouldn't trade for him. QB and O line are the priorities right now. I can see a heavy focus on O line in the draft, plus one or two solid vets. I also think the QB position will also be dealt with in some way.....By trade or free agency, or maybe in the draft. But I don't see a strong QB class coming up this year. I think it has to by by acquisition of a vet QB. Maybe you're right. Maybe it'll be a good back up like Taylor or Dalton. Maybe it'll be a starter like Jimmy G or even Minshew. It really depends on how the future GM values any of these guys. Right, it does. And if he thinks trading picks for Jimmy G to take up to much cap space and miss 6 games is valuable to the team. I hope the Giants have the sense to fire him before Jimmy G gets through airport security.
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 12, 2022 16:42:36 GMT -5
Do you get compensatory picks if your release the guy? I don’t think so. No they have to leave in free agency. BUT if you're the Broncos, why wouldnt you send a 2nd rounder for him at the very least?
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Post by jmike on Jan 12, 2022 16:44:02 GMT -5
I think Jmike is a very thoughtful poster so I chose to ignore her comment about Cam Newton. I attribute it to some kind of mental incident that has since passed. LOL....I really didn't know about Cam; which is why I asked. I've heard mixed reports and I haven't really watched him much at all recently. LOL
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 16:47:07 GMT -5
I think Jmike is a very thoughtful poster so I chose to ignore her comment about Cam Newton. I attribute it to some kind of mental incident that has since passed. LOL....I really didn't know about Cam; which is why I asked. I've heard mixed reports and I haven't really watched him much at all recently. LOL His career is over. Might as well resign Phil Simms. (Which I'm all for)
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Post by Morehead State on Jan 12, 2022 16:48:00 GMT -5
QB and O line are the priorities right now. I can see a heavy focus on O line in the draft, plus one or two solid vets. I also think the QB position will also be dealt with in some way.....By trade or free agency, or maybe in the draft. But I don't see a strong QB class coming up this year. I think it has to by by acquisition of a vet QB. Maybe you're right. Maybe it'll be a good back up like Taylor or Dalton. Maybe it'll be a starter like Jimmy G or even Minshew. It really depends on how the future GM values any of these guys. Right, it does. And if he thinks trading picks for Jimmy G to take up to much cap space and miss 6 games is valuable to the team. I hope the Giants have the sense to fire him before Jimmy G gets through airport security. Lets see how he does at Dallas this weekend. That was an impressive performance vs. the Rams.
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