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Post by te88 on Jan 13, 2022 13:06:04 GMT -5
Thanks for the share. I've been quick to assume the opposite just bc of how bad this franchise has been the past 10 years, but between this and what banks has said in the past about Chris, maybe, John was right with this and his family isn't a problem, maybe it really is just as simple as him making the wrong choices which isn't far fetched. I was saying this was an issue years ago. I dont think that now What exactly qualifies John Mara or an anonymous source to asses that Chris and Tim are good evaluators? Do they have on record that Chris and Tim wanted to zig when Gettleman and Reese zagged? Right now anyone associated with the Giants personnel group can’t really be considered a good evaluator based on the players this team has picked.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 13, 2022 13:09:44 GMT -5
Thanks for the share. I've been quick to assume the opposite just bc of how bad this franchise has been the past 10 years, but between this and what banks has said in the past about Chris, maybe, John was right with this and his family isn't a problem, maybe it really is just as simple as him making the wrong choices which isn't far fetched. I was saying this was an issue years ago. I dont think that now There was that story years ago where he killed our shot at Russell Okung because he didn't like the agent. There may have been a time when Chris had slightly more authority, been it's been reported he hasn't had any real power in years. He's a scout, he evaluates prospects and turns in a card. People need to let this go and get off this idea that owners have no business in football. Mike Brown is an 86-year old owner of the Bengals who is also their GM with complete authority. How would Giants fans like that?
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Post by thetruth on Jan 13, 2022 13:13:47 GMT -5
I was saying this was an issue years ago. I dont think that now What exactly qualifies John Mara or an anonymous source to asses that Chris and Tim are good evaluators? Do they have on record that Chris and Tim wanted to zig when Gettleman and Reese zagged? Right now anyone associated with the Giants personnel group can’t really be considered a good evaluator based on the players this team has picked. I question how much impact Chris and Tim have on decisions, ultimately. I dont think its as much as I thought, not close.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 13, 2022 13:14:10 GMT -5
I was saying this was an issue years ago. I dont think that now There was that story years ago about he killed any chance of signing Russell Okung because he didn't like the agent. There may have been a time when Chris had slightly more authority, been it's been reported he hasn't had any real power in years. He's a scout, he evaluates prospects and turns in a card. People need to let this go and get off this idea that owners have no business in football. Mike Brown is an 86-year old owner of the Bengals who is also their GM with complete authority. How would Giants fans like that? yeah its a non-issue. Get the right HC/GM
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Post by Tyrell on Jan 13, 2022 14:22:29 GMT -5
Ill always be more worried about John Mara than Chris Mara. Johns driving the lambo off the cliff, Chris is just sitting in the passenger seat.
Get a good GM, and we have a shot at having a team again. the next GM is the most important hire/roster move/anything in years for us.
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Post by te88 on Jan 13, 2022 14:31:06 GMT -5
There was that story years ago about he killed any chance of signing Russell Okung because he didn't like the agent. There may have been a time when Chris had slightly more authority, been it's been reported he hasn't had any real power in years. He's a scout, he evaluates prospects and turns in a card. People need to let this go and get off this idea that owners have no business in football. Mike Brown is an 86-year old owner of the Bengals who is also their GM with complete authority. How would Giants fans like that? yeah its a non-issue. Get the right HC/GM I do agree with that…but I would phrase it’s not an issue IF they hire the right GM and HC.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 13, 2022 14:33:52 GMT -5
Ill always be more worried about John Mara than Chris Mara. Johns driving the lambo off the cliff, Chris is just sitting in the passenger seat. Get a good GM, and we have a shot at having a team again. the next GM is the most important hire/roster move/anything in years for us. something else is wrong though. A GM preached he would always opt for the skill position early. The next GM preached Big men win you games and Hog Mollies yet he didn’t draft that way despite the owner responding “music to my ears”. Doesn’t add up. Something else is broken
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 13, 2022 14:36:03 GMT -5
What exactly qualifies John Mara or an anonymous source to asses that Chris and Tim are good evaluators? Do they have on record that Chris and Tim wanted to zig when Gettleman and Reese zagged? Right now anyone associated with the Giants personnel group can’t really be considered a good evaluator based on the players this team has picked. I question how much impact Chris and Tim have on decisions, ultimately. I dont think its as much as I thought, not close. he’s the VP of player personnel. His reviews, scoring, rating, etc has a HUGE impact on decisions. How can anybody debate otherwise????
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Post by jaymas on Jan 13, 2022 16:09:38 GMT -5
I think that's all people think it is. No one thinks it's fixed. But as fans, all we can do is react to the information out there. That's as far as it goes now, and it's a good sign, so people are taking it as such. Until the results show, we won't have an idea of whether or not the new approach was executed well or if the right decisions were ultimately made. So if he hires the right GM and coach because he changed is process, does that end up making him good at his job? It means I’m wrong and I’ve overblown how big the problem is. Assuming “hires the right GM and coach” means the team turns around relatively quickly (2 seasons?) Question is if we don’t really improve is the problem the GM/HC? How many times does a dude have to get divorced before his friends stop believing that he can’t find the right woman? Maybe the problem is he can’t tell the difference. I'm of the opinion that yes the problem would be the GM/HC. John's problem was he would hire what's comfortable or panic. Coughlin goes, we promote Mac (evolution, not revolution, offensive continuity, which we hilariously ended up not getting)...that got accelerated when other teams like the Eagles were really hot on Mac. Jerry Reese gets fired. "Man that was tough, but we were successful not too long ago, I'll talk to Ernie and we'll go with Dave, Dave's great, he worked for Ernie and Jerry, we know him etc." I don't think he's a meddler, etc. I think he has just made bad hires for 5 years because of comfort, and the fear of doing the wrong thing made him stay too conservative. The irony there is the fear of doing the wrong thing has led him to do the wrong things. The old adage of the most risky thing you can do is take no risk. That's how Mara has hired, and that was most evident with DG and Shurmur. Judge, technically a risk...but still tied back to the comfort of Bill B. And there's so much nuance there. Judge in a different situation may have turned out fine. Seems like a smart dude, hard worker, good guy. This process seems to break that comfort/panic thing and we're so far away from being a team that was in the upper echelon of the league, he can't point to that sucess as proof they know what they are doing.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 13, 2022 16:59:19 GMT -5
It means I’m wrong and I’ve overblown how big the problem is. Assuming “hires the right GM and coach” means the team turns around relatively quickly (2 seasons?) Question is if we don’t really improve is the problem the GM/HC? How many times does a dude have to get divorced before his friends stop believing that he can’t find the right woman? Maybe the problem is he can’t tell the difference. I'm of the opinion that yes the problem would be the GM/HC. John's problem was he would hire what's comfortable or panic. Coughlin goes, we promote Mac (evolution, not revolution, offensive continuity, which we hilariously ended up not getting)...that got accelerated when other teams like the Eagles were really hot on Mac. Jerry Reese goes "man that was tough, but we were successful not too long ago, I'll talk to Ernie and we'll go with Dave, Dave's great, he worked for Ernie and Jerry, we know him etc." I don't think he's a meddler, etc. I think he has just made bad hires for 5 years because of comfort, and the fear of doing the wrong thing made him stay too conservative. The irony there is the fear of doing the wrong thing has led him to do the wrong things. The old adage of the most risky thing you can do is take no risk. That's how Mara has hired, and that was most evident with DG and Shurmur. Judge, technically a risk...but still tied back to the comfort of Bill B. And there's so much nuance there. Judge in a different situation may have turned out fine. Seems like a smart dude, hard worker, good guy. This process seems to break that comfort/panic thing and we're so far away from being a team that with in the upper echelon of the league, he can't point to that sucess as proof they know what they are doing. So you’re saying if the new GM and HC don’t improve things, the problem is still that we don’t have the right GM and HC, and not that we have an owner who struggles to assess talent? If that’s your position we’re not aligned on that. I think there’s enough evidence that Garrett wasn’t Judge’s hire. I don’t think an owner should be dictating 2 levels down on what coordinator to hire. Anyway, I seem to be in the minority on what our franchise’s problem is so don’t let my pessimism harsh your vibe. I hope I’m wrong and a new GM and HC make all the difference.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 13, 2022 17:01:41 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that yes the problem would be the GM/HC. John's problem was he would hire what's comfortable or panic. Coughlin goes, we promote Mac (evolution, not revolution, offensive continuity, which we hilariously ended up not getting)...that got accelerated when other teams like the Eagles were really hot on Mac. Jerry Reese goes "man that was tough, but we were successful not too long ago, I'll talk to Ernie and we'll go with Dave, Dave's great, he worked for Ernie and Jerry, we know him etc." I don't think he's a meddler, etc. I think he has just made bad hires for 5 years because of comfort, and the fear of doing the wrong thing made him stay too conservative. The irony there is the fear of doing the wrong thing has led him to do the wrong things. The old adage of the most risky thing you can do is take no risk. That's how Mara has hired, and that was most evident with DG and Shurmur. Judge, technically a risk...but still tied back to the comfort of Bill B. And there's so much nuance there. Judge in a different situation may have turned out fine. Seems like a smart dude, hard worker, good guy. This process seems to break that comfort/panic thing and we're so far away from being a team that with in the upper echelon of the league, he can't point to that sucess as proof they know what they are doing. So you’re saying if the new GM and HC don’t improve things, the problem is still that we don’t have the right GM and HC, and not that we have an owner who struggles to assess talent? If that’s your position we’re not aligned on that. I think there’s enough evidence that Garrett wasn’t Judge’s hire. I don’t think an owner should be dictating 2 levels down on what coordinator to hire. Anyway, I seem to be in the minority on what our franchise’s problem is so don’t let my pessimism harsh your vibe. I hope I’m wrong and a new GM and HC make all the difference. It's pretty much all we have to hope for!!
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Post by McCherry on Jan 13, 2022 17:22:19 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that yes the problem would be the GM/HC. John's problem was he would hire what's comfortable or panic. Coughlin goes, we promote Mac (evolution, not revolution, offensive continuity, which we hilariously ended up not getting)...that got accelerated when other teams like the Eagles were really hot on Mac. Jerry Reese goes "man that was tough, but we were successful not too long ago, I'll talk to Ernie and we'll go with Dave, Dave's great, he worked for Ernie and Jerry, we know him etc." I don't think he's a meddler, etc. I think he has just made bad hires for 5 years because of comfort, and the fear of doing the wrong thing made him stay too conservative. The irony there is the fear of doing the wrong thing has led him to do the wrong things. The old adage of the most risky thing you can do is take no risk. That's how Mara has hired, and that was most evident with DG and Shurmur. Judge, technically a risk...but still tied back to the comfort of Bill B. And there's so much nuance there. Judge in a different situation may have turned out fine. Seems like a smart dude, hard worker, good guy. This process seems to break that comfort/panic thing and we're so far away from being a team that with in the upper echelon of the league, he can't point to that sucess as proof they know what they are doing. So you’re saying if the new GM and HC don’t improve things, the problem is still that we don’t have the right GM and HC, and not that we have an owner who struggles to assess talent? If that’s your position we’re not aligned on that. I think there’s enough evidence that Garrett wasn’t Judge’s hire. I don’t think an owner should be dictating 2 levels down on what coordinator to hire. Anyway, I seem to be in the minority on what our franchise’s problem is so don’t let my pessimism harsh your vibe. I hope I’m wrong and a new GM and HC make all the difference. I think we have some great candidates. As Mara said, he speaks to a wide network around the league to base his decisions on. A guy like Schoen for example comes highly recommended. If we don't hire him, someone will. If he comes here and fails, I don't think we can say it's because John Mara can't evaluate talent. There is no certainly with these hires. Bill Belichick gave a huge endorsement to Judge before we hired him. Is it fair to say he can't evaluate talent? There is a leap of faith and luck involved in these hires. It's not an exact science.
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Post by Martin on Jan 13, 2022 17:25:04 GMT -5
I guess we have been unlucky for 10 + years.
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Post by mendy on Jan 13, 2022 17:48:37 GMT -5
I guess we have been unlucky for 10 + years. How long has Detroit or Cleveland or Washington and Dallas or the Jets been unlucky? I do believe you create your own destiny but it's not a round ball ,it bounce's funny sometimes so yeah luck is part of it.
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Post by Martin on Jan 13, 2022 17:58:09 GMT -5
I guess we have been unlucky for 10 + years. How long has Detroit or Cleveland or Washington and Dallas or the Jets been unlucky? I do believe you create your own destiny but it's not a round ball ,it bounce's funny sometimes so yeah luck is part of it. David Tyree luck
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Post by mendy on Jan 13, 2022 18:01:31 GMT -5
How long has Detroit or Cleveland or Washington and Dallas or the Jets been unlucky? I do believe you create your own destiny but it's not a round ball ,it bounce's funny sometimes so yeah luck is part of it. David Tyree luck More like we were lucky for 16 years with Eli.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 13, 2022 18:10:50 GMT -5
So you’re saying if the new GM and HC don’t improve things, the problem is still that we don’t have the right GM and HC, and not that we have an owner who struggles to assess talent? If that’s your position we’re not aligned on that. I think there’s enough evidence that Garrett wasn’t Judge’s hire. I don’t think an owner should be dictating 2 levels down on what coordinator to hire. Anyway, I seem to be in the minority on what our franchise’s problem is so don’t let my pessimism harsh your vibe. I hope I’m wrong and a new GM and HC make all the difference. I think we have some great candidates. As Mara said, he speaks to a wide network around the league to base his decisions on. A guy like Schoen for example comes highly recommended. If we don't hire him, someone will. If he comes here and fails, I don't think we can say it's because John Mara can't evaluate talent. There is no certainly with these hires. Bill Belichick gave a huge endorsement to Judge before we hired him. Is it fair to say he can't evaluate talent? There is a leap of faith and luck involved in these hires. It's not an exact science. I don’t think Bill can evaluate head coaching talent as well as he can head coach. He’s an intense demanding guy and the GOAT so that seems to work for him. But when he sees similar qualities in others he’s biased (like any of us). His personality doesn’t seem to be as transferable without the SBs attached to it. His assistants are always highly touted because they work with him, but other than the occasional mediocre performance his tree is littered with failed HC candidates. I can’t speak for you, but it seems like you give John more rope than you give GMs and HCs. Or at least you see him as having more to contribute than the GMs and HCs he’s firing. What data point or evidence would change your mind on that (if it’s true)?
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Post by jaymas on Jan 13, 2022 18:37:11 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that yes the problem would be the GM/HC. John's problem was he would hire what's comfortable or panic. Coughlin goes, we promote Mac (evolution, not revolution, offensive continuity, which we hilariously ended up not getting)...that got accelerated when other teams like the Eagles were really hot on Mac. Jerry Reese goes "man that was tough, but we were successful not too long ago, I'll talk to Ernie and we'll go with Dave, Dave's great, he worked for Ernie and Jerry, we know him etc." I don't think he's a meddler, etc. I think he has just made bad hires for 5 years because of comfort, and the fear of doing the wrong thing made him stay too conservative. The irony there is the fear of doing the wrong thing has led him to do the wrong things. The old adage of the most risky thing you can do is take no risk. That's how Mara has hired, and that was most evident with DG and Shurmur. Judge, technically a risk...but still tied back to the comfort of Bill B. And there's so much nuance there. Judge in a different situation may have turned out fine. Seems like a smart dude, hard worker, good guy. This process seems to break that comfort/panic thing and we're so far away from being a team that with in the upper echelon of the league, he can't point to that sucess as proof they know what they are doing. So you’re saying if the new GM and HC don’t improve things, the problem is still that we don’t have the right GM and HC, and not that we have an owner who struggles to assess talent? If that’s your position we’re not aligned on that. I think there’s enough evidence that Garrett wasn’t Judge’s hire. I don’t think an owner should be dictating 2 levels down on what coordinator to hire. Anyway, I seem to be in the minority on what our franchise’s problem is so don’t let my pessimism harsh your vibe. I hope I’m wrong and a new GM and HC make all the difference. No I do think that...for all the reasons I said above, mostly comfort and panic. And if you don't get a GM and head coach right because you've struggled to assess talent, then the execution of an NFL season is gonna be bad. I don't think he's a meddler like others do. My point is, I don't think John Mara is beyond change and we're seeing that play out. No comfort candidates interviewing, no rushed time table. I think he realizes he's whiffed on talent and is changing his approach. So based on all the evidence that we are privy to as fans, it looks like he's improving his process to assess talent, and recognizes his own failures in that regard. So in a sense...the problem is the head coach and GM when it comes to executing an NFL season. I don't think he meddles, so if he actually hits on a GM and a coach we've got a shot at being good.
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Post by DandyDon on Jan 13, 2022 19:09:08 GMT -5
So you’re saying if the new GM and HC don’t improve things, the problem is still that we don’t have the right GM and HC, and not that we have an owner who struggles to assess talent? If that’s your position we’re not aligned on that. I think there’s enough evidence that Garrett wasn’t Judge’s hire. I don’t think an owner should be dictating 2 levels down on what coordinator to hire. Anyway, I seem to be in the minority on what our franchise’s problem is so don’t let my pessimism harsh your vibe. I hope I’m wrong and a new GM and HC make all the difference. No I do think that...for all the reasons I said above, mostly comfort and panic. And if you don't get a GM and head coach right because you've struggled to assess talent, then the execution of an NFL season is gonna be bad. I don't think he's a meddler like others do. My point is, I don't think John Mara is beyond change and we're seeing that play out. No comfort candidates interviewing, no rushed time table. I think he realizes he's whiffed on talent and is changing his approach. So based on all the evidence that we are privy to as fans, it looks like he's improving his process to assess talent, and recognizes his own failures in that regard. So in a sense...the problem is the head coach and GM when it comes to executing an NFL season. I don't think he meddles, so if he actually hits on a GM and a coach we've got a shot at being good. Hell, I'm just encouraged JM is going outside the organization for a GM and claiming he will give him the authority he needs. I'll believe it more when I see it, but it's progress.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 13, 2022 19:50:41 GMT -5
I question how much impact Chris and Tim have on decisions, ultimately. I dont think its as much as I thought, not close. he’s the VP of player personnel. His reviews, scoring, rating, etc has a HUGE impact on decisions. How can anybody debate otherwise???? Because the VP pf player personnel is not signing FA's or making the decision on draft picks, based on all information we have available.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 13, 2022 20:04:13 GMT -5
I think we have some great candidates. As Mara said, he speaks to a wide network around the league to base his decisions on. A guy like Schoen for example comes highly recommended. If we don't hire him, someone will. If he comes here and fails, I don't think we can say it's because John Mara can't evaluate talent. There is no certainly with these hires. Bill Belichick gave a huge endorsement to Judge before we hired him. Is it fair to say he can't evaluate talent? There is a leap of faith and luck involved in these hires. It's not an exact science. I don’t think Bill can evaluate head coaching talent as well as he can head coach. He’s an intense demanding guy and the GOAT so that seems to work for him. But when he sees similar qualities in others he’s biased (like any of us). His personality doesn’t seem to be as transferable without the SBs attached to it. His assistants are always highly touted because they work with him, but other than the occasional mediocre performance his tree is littered with failed HC candidates. I can’t speak for you, but it seems like you give John more rope than you give GMs and HCs. Or at least you see him as having more to contribute than the GMs and HCs he’s firing. What data point or evidence would change your mind on that (if it’s true)? This time I trust the GM hire, I don't think John can go wrong with these candidates. He's said he’s going to let the GM make the decisions from there, so yes, I have faith in the rest of the process. Already we see this is clearly a huge departure from the last time we hired a GM/HC. All we can do is go with the best candidates and have some faith and hope for some luck this time.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 13, 2022 20:21:46 GMT -5
No I do think that...for all the reasons I said above, mostly comfort and panic. And if you don't get a GM and head coach right because you've struggled to assess talent, then the execution of an NFL season is gonna be bad. I don't think he's a meddler like others do. My point is, I don't think John Mara is beyond change and we're seeing that play out. No comfort candidates interviewing, no rushed time table. I think he realizes he's whiffed on talent and is changing his approach. So based on all the evidence that we are privy to as fans, it looks like he's improving his process to assess talent, and recognizes his own failures in that regard. So in a sense...the problem is the head coach and GM when it comes to executing an NFL season. I don't think he meddles, so if he actually hits on a GM and a coach we've got a shot at being good. Hell, I'm just encouraged JM is going outside the organization for a GM and claiming he will give him the authority he needs. I'll believe it more when I see it, but it's progress. 100 percent.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 13, 2022 20:28:16 GMT -5
Mara just needs to shut his trap.
Read this in the Post a few minutes ago.
“We want to get the general manager ideally done first and,........."
Which is another way of telling our next GM, "you don't have a say in our next HC decision but ideally we can have you on board first to make it look that way."
Absolutely tone deaf and moronic commentary by our ceo.
He should have said "We need to work with a sense of urgency to find our new GM because it is only with his input that we will find our next HC."
How tough is that?!
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Post by giants8493 on Jan 13, 2022 21:00:04 GMT -5
I think he's the best fa qb Give me Tyrod Taylor and we have a functional qb room of is he there too? I thought I saw it during the game and I thought it was a pretty weak qb class. I would rather Taylor then geno.
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Post by giants8493 on Jan 13, 2022 21:01:25 GMT -5
Mara just needs to shut his trap. Read this in the Post a few minutes ago. “We want to get the general manager ideally done first and,........." Which is another way of telling our next GM, "you don't have a say in our next HC decision but ideally we can have you on board first to make it look that way." Absolutely tone deaf and moronic commentary by our ceo. He should have said "We need to work with a sense of urgency to find our new GM because it is only with his input that we will find our next HC." How tough is that?! why would they do something that is not ideal? Seems like there a a few decent gm and hc candidates this year. I think they should go through the process
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Post by McCherry on Jan 13, 2022 21:05:44 GMT -5
Mara just needs to shut his trap. Read this in the Post a few minutes ago. “We want to get the general manager ideally done first and,........." Which is another way of telling our next GM, "you don't have a say in our next HC decision but ideally we can have you on board first to make it look that way." Absolutely tone deaf and moronic commentary by our ceo. He should have said "We need to work with a sense of urgency to find our new GM because it is only with his input that we will find our next HC." How tough is that?! He's already said he’s letting the GM hire the coach. How else would they do that if we don't hire the GM first?
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Post by piddy283 on Jan 13, 2022 21:20:05 GMT -5
Folks point their finger at Barkley, but I think Jones was DG's worst pick over his tenure. Whether we agree with the concept or not, the idea when drafting Barkley was to build around Eli for the next couple years. Once we drafted Jones the following year that concept went out the door. Drafting a RB that high then deciding to start over the following year by completely reaching for an average QB set us back tremendously. Again, whether we agree with the concept or not, once we drafted Barkley we should've stayed the course with Eli and continued to build the trenches and weapons around him through the remainder of his contract. Then, by the time 2020 came around, we presumably would've had a better nucleus in place and could've drafted Burrow/Herbert/Tua. Everything was half assed. the worst decision by the organization was believing in Eli. Mac basically said Eli is done. The outcry from ex-players, the kill the coach crew and the media all helped bring back a QB who was finished. Any chance in hell Eli playing well should have been OL. The idiot went HB and arrogantly felt the remaining picks could not only build the OL but the front 7 of the defense he shipped out. I don't disagree. I was never the biggest Eli fan to be honestly, which sounds nuts as a Giants fan. I thought he was an above average QB when he had time and in no huddle/2-minute warning time, but unless he had everything in place around him he was a middle of the pack QB. I thought we should've moved on much earlier. That said, we didn't move on and we decided to "rebuild around him" for his twilight years. If that was the decision we should've stayed the course. Drafting DJ the following year was a monkey wrench in an already flawed process.
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Post by yoho on Jan 13, 2022 22:40:12 GMT -5
I was saying this was an issue years ago. I dont think that now What exactly qualifies John Mara or an anonymous source to asses that Chris and Tim are good evaluators? Do they have on record that Chris and Tim wanted to zig when Gettleman and Reese zagged? Right now anyone associated with the Giants personnel group can’t really be considered a good evaluator based on the players this team has picked. Every team misses on draft picks, but there has been something fishy with the Giants for a decade now, but when you can’t fix the zoo-line in a decade, something is wrong with your evaluation process.
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Post by yoho on Jan 13, 2022 22:40:43 GMT -5
What exactly qualifies John Mara or an anonymous source to asses that Chris and Tim are good evaluators? Do they have on record that Chris and Tim wanted to zig when Gettleman and Reese zagged? Right now anyone associated with the Giants personnel group can’t really be considered a good evaluator based on the players this team has picked. Every team misses on draft picks, but there has been something fishy with the Giants for a decade now, but when you can’t fix the O-line in a decade, something is wrong with your evaluation process.
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Post by mendy on Jan 14, 2022 18:09:30 GMT -5
Every team misses on draft picks, but there has been something fishy with the Giants for a decade now, but when you can’t fix the O-line in a decade, something is wrong with your evaluation process. I think people need to go back and look at the football people(not the chatter heads or clickers) and what was it that they said about the players at the time , not where they were drafted but were they good players , could they play , I think many of you would be surprise that it wasn't just the Giants who thought those players could grow and play. As bad as people want to scream about Solder he was rated the #1 FA tackle available when we signed him ,it was a need it was a good move at the time . People can't face the reality that DG did over ride the scouts while as Giants GM that has been documented. Fans are getting more that many thought they would. New GM, HC the head of the College scouting has left. As Giants fans we feel it's only us but look around at the NFL fans in Detroit , Washington, Jacksonville , Browns ,Jet fans are all feeling the same way
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