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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 12:37:52 GMT -5
We know the coaches.... But we know GMs also like to bring in players they have a history with...
Trying to see who they have as a free agent
The only guy I see is Issah McKenzie..and reciever being a need and Shep gone could be a cheap replacement
Trubisky?
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Post by elitoshockey on Jan 21, 2022 12:38:38 GMT -5
Should be an interesting offseason to say the least.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 21, 2022 14:23:37 GMT -5
According to Chris Bisignana on Giants Insider podcast, he said he "knows for a fact" that Schoen said in is interview that he likes Daniel Jones. I trust Chris's sources maybe more than anyone.
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Post by jaymas on Jan 21, 2022 14:25:24 GMT -5
According to Chris Bisignana on Giants Insider podcast, he said he "knows for a fact" that Schoen said in is interview that he likes Daniel Jones. I trust Chris's sources maybe more than anyone. Cue the conspiracy theories that he was only hired because he likes Jones. For me, if the GM that helped identify Josh Allen was moldable has a high opinion on Jones and knows he can bring in a coach to get the kid to take the next step - I'm on board with that.
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Post by ratbastich on Jan 21, 2022 14:34:19 GMT -5
It would be interesting if they bring Trubisky in on the cheap. Not as a long term but at least as a serviceable backup for when, not if, Jones goes down again.
You have to believe that this is Jones' last chance to prove something. His contract is coming to a close and they have to determine if there is long term value in keeping him.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 14:54:44 GMT -5
It would be interesting if they bring Trubisky in on the cheap. Not as a long term but at least as a serviceable backup for when, not if, Jones goes down again. You have to believe that this is Jones' last chance to prove something. His contract is coming to a close and they have to determine if there is long term value in keeping him. .he also has a history with Tyrod Taylor (was there in 2017)
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 21, 2022 15:29:08 GMT -5
According to Chris Bisignana on Giants Insider podcast, he said he "knows for a fact" that Schoen said in is interview that he likes Daniel Jones. I trust Chris's sources maybe more than anyone. Which means absolutely nothing.. I like pizza, doesn’t mean I’m going to invest into a pizzeria. We’ll see how much he “likes” him when the decision on picking up his 5th year option in May.
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Post by allnygin on Jan 21, 2022 15:31:46 GMT -5
According to Chris Bisignana on Giants Insider podcast, he said he "knows for a fact" that Schoen said in is interview that he likes Daniel Jones. I trust Chris's sources maybe more than anyone. oh FFS.. Daniel Jones can't stay on the field.. I hope this isn't true. The guy hasn't shown he can be trusted as a player on the field or just in general with durability. Got to many ppl fooled with his ability to throw a nice pass every now and then.
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Post by jmike on Jan 21, 2022 15:33:07 GMT -5
According to Chris Bisignana on Giants Insider podcast, he said he "knows for a fact" that Schoen said in is interview that he likes Daniel Jones. I trust Chris's sources maybe more than anyone. Which means absolutely nothing.. I like pizza, doesn’t mean I’m going to invest into a pizzeria. We’ll see how much he “likes” him when the decision on picking up his 5th year option in May. Not really. If he doesn't pick a QB it may mean he likes Jones for the future or it may mean he doesn't see a future QB available in the draft. Now if he picks a QB at 5, it doesn't mean he doesn't like Jones, it may just mean he doesn't think he's a good QB.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 21, 2022 15:38:57 GMT -5
Which means absolutely nothing.. I like pizza, doesn’t mean I’m going to invest into a pizzeria. We’ll see how much he “likes” him when the decision on picking up his 5th year option in May. Not really. If he doesn't pick a QB it may mean he likes Jones for the future or it may mean he doesn't see a future QB available in the draft. Now if he picks a QB at 5, it doesn't mean he doesn't like Jones, it may just mean he doesn't think he's a good QB. I heard from an unreliable source he likes Jones. Hell, he could like Jones as a person, and think he sucks as a quarterback for all we know. Next season is work with what you got, and the following year it’s pick up sticks. I highly doubt a first year general manger, is going to want to work with someone else’s sloppy seconds.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 15:40:36 GMT -5
Which means absolutely nothing.. I like pizza, doesn’t mean I’m going to invest into a pizzeria. We’ll see how much he “likes” him when the decision on picking up his 5th year option in May. Not really. If he doesn't pick a QB it may mean he likes Jones for the future or it may mean he doesn't see a future QB available in the draft. Now if he picks a QB at 5, it doesn't mean he doesn't like Jones, it may just mean he doesn't think he's a good QB. I mean what is a new GM and coach supposed to say They come out and say Jones isn't the future its the biggest telegraph to every other team out there what our intentions are I distinctly remember Coughlin coming out more than a few times when hired saying we can win with Kerry Collins.....look what happened
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 15:42:09 GMT -5
Not really. If he doesn't pick a QB it may mean he likes Jones for the future or it may mean he doesn't see a future QB available in the draft. Now if he picks a QB at 5, it doesn't mean he doesn't like Jones, it may just mean he doesn't think he's a good QB. I heard from an unreliable source he likes Jones. Hell, he could like Jones as a person, and think he sucks as a quarterback for all we know. Next season is work with what you got, and the following year it’s pick up sticks. I highly doubt a first year general manger, is going to want to work with someone else’s sloppy seconds. Or he might be ambiguous and not see a better option this year anywhere and opt to ride him out as a bridge guy who is relatively cheap with a relatively cheap backup (ie Tyrod Taylor)this year
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Post by McCherry on Jan 21, 2022 15:42:37 GMT -5
Which means absolutely nothing.. I like pizza, doesn’t mean I’m going to invest into a pizzeria. We’ll see how much he “likes” him when the decision on picking up his 5th year option in May. Not really. If he doesn't pick a QB it may mean he likes Jones for the future or it may mean he doesn't see a future QB available in the draft. Now if he picks a QB at 5, it doesn't mean he doesn't like Jones, it may just mean he doesn't think he's a good QB. The opinion of the QB is probably the most important question any of the candidates were asked. If Schoen said he likes Daniel, it means he likes Daniel. Whether he likes someone else too, that's another story.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 21, 2022 15:46:23 GMT -5
I heard from an unreliable source he likes Jones. Hell, he could like Jones as a person, and think he sucks as a quarterback for all we know. Next season is work with what you got, and the following year it’s pick up sticks. I highly doubt a first year general manger, is going to want to work with someone else’s sloppy seconds. Or he might be ambiguous and not see a better option this year anywhere and opt to ride him out as a bridge guy who is relatively cheap with a relatively cheap backup (ie Tyrod Taylor)this year I want options. Want to roll with Jones next year in fear they’re no better options? Ok, I can reason with that. Want to give him the job, without exhausting every option? Hell no, he doesn’t deserve it. The man who drafted him is in cape cod reminiscing about the stone ages, and his head coach is still on a bender. Two men who gave Jones job security.
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Post by jmike on Jan 21, 2022 15:48:57 GMT -5
Not really. If he doesn't pick a QB it may mean he likes Jones for the future or it may mean he doesn't see a future QB available in the draft. Now if he picks a QB at 5, it doesn't mean he doesn't like Jones, it may just mean he doesn't think he's a good QB. I heard from an unreliable source he likes Jones. Hell, he could like Jones as a person, and think he sucks as a quarterback for all we know. Next season is work with what you got, and the following year it’s pick up sticks. I highly doubt a first year general manger, is going to want to work with someone else’s sloppy seconds. Maybe, maybe not. I honestly have no idea. If he does want to work with Jones, great, I hope he's right. If he wants to get a new QB, great, I hope he's right. I do not care at all which players, coaches, scouts, etc, stay or go at this point. As long as the end result is a competitive or at least entertaining football team to watch.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 15:50:25 GMT -5
Or he might be ambiguous and not see a better option this year anywhere and opt to ride him out as a bridge guy who is relatively cheap with a relatively cheap backup (ie Tyrod Taylor)this year I want options. Want to roll with Jones next year in fear they’re no better options? Ok, I can reason with that. Want to give him the job, without exhausting every option? Hell no, he doesn’t deserve it. The man who drafted him is in cape cod reminiscing about the stone ages, and his head coach is still on a bender. Two men who gave Jones job security. Like I said Tyrod Taylor is a perfect option if they punt to 2023...or someone like that
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Post by McCherry on Jan 21, 2022 15:51:06 GMT -5
Not really. If he doesn't pick a QB it may mean he likes Jones for the future or it may mean he doesn't see a future QB available in the draft. Now if he picks a QB at 5, it doesn't mean he doesn't like Jones, it may just mean he doesn't think he's a good QB. I mean what is a new GM and coach supposed to say They come out and say Jones isn't the future its the biggest telegraph to every other team out there what our intentions are I distinctly remember Coughlin coming out more than a few times when hired saying we can win with Kerry Collins.....look what happened What was the point of the interview if the candidates were simply going to say what they think ownership wants to hear? If they don't like the QB, they're going to say it. A potential GM isn't going to stake their only shot on a QB they don't believe. Whether or not this report is true is another thing, but I have no doubts all these candidates gave their dead honest opinion of Jones.
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Post by jmike on Jan 21, 2022 16:04:39 GMT -5
I want options. Want to roll with Jones next year in fear they’re no better options? Ok, I can reason with that. Want to give him the job, without exhausting every option? Hell no, he doesn’t deserve it. The man who drafted him is in cape cod reminiscing about the stone ages, and his head coach is still on a bender. Two men who gave Jones job security. Like I said Tyrod Taylor is a perfect option if they punt to 2023...or someone like that While I don't disagree about Taylor. What is the downside of punting with Jones? I say bring in Taylor, let them compete, and play who earns it. Either will eventually go down and the other can then play.
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Post by jmike on Jan 21, 2022 16:06:50 GMT -5
I mean what is a new GM and coach supposed to say They come out and say Jones isn't the future its the biggest telegraph to every other team out there what our intentions are I distinctly remember Coughlin coming out more than a few times when hired saying we can win with Kerry Collins.....look what happened What was the point of the interview if the candidates were simply going to say what they think ownership wants to hear? If they don't like the QB, they're going to say it. A potential GM isn't going to stake their only shot on a QB they don't believe. Whether or not this report is true is another thing, but I have no doubts all these candidates gave their dead honest opinion of Jones. I agree. What I am less sure about is if we will hear what that opinion actually was. What we heard might be the truth or it might be what they released to be presented as the truth.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 21, 2022 16:09:37 GMT -5
What was the point of the interview if the candidates were simply going to say what they think ownership wants to hear? If they don't like the QB, they're going to say it. A potential GM isn't going to stake their only shot on a QB they don't believe. Whether or not this report is true is another thing, but I have no doubts all these candidates gave their dead honest opinion of Jones. I agree. What I am less sure about is if we will hear what that opinion actually was. What we heard might be the truth or it might be what they released to be presented as the truth. I felt that any of the GM candidates would endorse Jones. I think that was easy. As we discussed many times, that decision is really a no-brainer for many reasons. The durability factor and backup QB is the real question, and something that needs to be addressed.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 16:10:13 GMT -5
Like I said Tyrod Taylor is a perfect option if they punt to 2023...or someone like that While I don't disagree about Taylor. What is the downside of punting with Jones? I say bring in Taylor, let them compete, and play who earns it. Either will eventually go down and the other can then play. I never said there was ...some people here have Jones Derangement Syndrome apparently and want him out no matter what even if it means reaching for a wish franchise QB early in the 1st or making the horrible Watson trade with no regards on how to fix everything else Jones and Taylor or something is perfect... If a qb they like falls to the 3rd go for it with the * that if they have a shot at one of the top 2023 qbs they go for it
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Post by elitoshockey on Jan 21, 2022 16:14:17 GMT -5
Call me crazy ... I still have hope for jones . After seeing what happened to the offense once he got hurt , it's clear to me he's better than what his stats show .
That being said ,
I trust the new gm . If it means letting jones play out his final year while rebuilding I'm fine with that . Just get a capable backup or someone to compete with him for the job.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 21, 2022 16:28:10 GMT -5
Not really. If he doesn't pick a QB it may mean he likes Jones for the future or it may mean he doesn't see a future QB available in the draft. Now if he picks a QB at 5, it doesn't mean he doesn't like Jones, it may just mean he doesn't think he's a good QB. I heard from an unreliable source he likes Jones. Hell, he could like Jones as a person, and think he sucks as a quarterback for all we know. Next season is work with what you got, and the following year it’s pick up sticks. I highly doubt a first year general manger, is going to want to work with someone else’s sloppy seconds. If he is a really smart GM, he won't let anyone know what he thinks about this player or that, draft priorities etc, the usual list.
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 21, 2022 16:34:09 GMT -5
While I don't disagree about Taylor. What is the downside of punting with Jones? I say bring in Taylor, let them compete, and play who earns it. Either will eventually go down and the other can then play. I never said there was ...some people here have Jones Derangement Syndrome apparently and want him out no matter what even if it means reaching for a wish franchise QB early in the 1st or making the horrible Watson trade with no regards on how to fix everything else Jones and Taylor or something is perfect... If a qb they like falls to the 3rd go for it with the * that if they have a shot at one of the top 2023 qbs they go for it First, there is no such thing as derangement syndrome. Our ex president used that stupid saying, and people ran with it. Second, there is a thing as denial and having your head in the sand. They like to be called realists, but they come off as groupies. No one knows what Joe Schoen envisions with this team, all we have our opinions and a friends, friend told someone in confidence what was said in the meeting. Joe hasn’t even been on the job long enough for his contract to be dried. If Jones is our best option, and our head coach signs off on it. We have to ride it out. Whatever the case is, new head coaches with new general managers normally don’t stick to past failed regimes. This offseason will say a lot what Joe wants to do. Our first priority is getting breathing room under the cap. We can’t fix an offensive line with pocket change. No restructuring, that is a temporary fix that leads to long term effects. Next, scout the hell out of offensive line. We have four vacant spots, and we can’t fix them all in one offseason. But, we can start the rebuild running. And last, until proven otherwise. We are still a badly run organization. Ten years of dreck is very difficult to erase in a 24 hour period. The next two years will tell us if we’re heading in the right direction. The NFL is built off parity that bad teams can rebound quickly.. We still have yet to get that memo.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 21, 2022 16:55:48 GMT -5
According to Chris Bisignana on Giants Insider podcast, he said he "knows for a fact" that Schoen said in is interview that he likes Daniel Jones. I trust Chris's sources maybe more than anyone. If he likes Danny that means Dabol likes Danny think he said they think Jones has never had a chance here so far.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 21, 2022 17:00:08 GMT -5
We know the coaches.... But we know GMs also like to bring in players they have a history with... Trying to see who they have as a free agent The only guy I see is Issah McKenzie..and reciever being a need and Shep gone could be a cheap replacement Trubisky? I liked Trubisky early on but he seemed to have fizzled out and now I wouldn't be enthused with him coming here, he always seemed to be struggling in most of the games I've seen...
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Post by myronguyton29 on Jan 21, 2022 17:01:29 GMT -5
guess we'll see
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Post by SG88 on Jan 21, 2022 17:12:44 GMT -5
According to Chris Bisignana on Giants Insider podcast, he said he "knows for a fact" that Schoen said in is interview that he likes Daniel Jones. I trust Chris's sources maybe more than anyone. Even if he does (I believe your source) how much does that really mean? I don't think that it means much at all. Bill Belichick also liked Cam Newton before he cut him for Mac Jones. We will see what happens come draft time and free agency.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 21, 2022 17:14:21 GMT -5
We know the coaches.... But we know GMs also like to bring in players they have a history with... Trying to see who they have as a free agent The only guy I see is Issah McKenzie..and reciever being a need and Shep gone could be a cheap replacement Trubisky? I liked Trubisky early on but he seemed to have fizzled out and now I wouldn't be enthused with him coming here, he always seemed to be struggling in most of the games I've seen... Trubisky IMO is slightly better than Jones. He at least helped lead his team to the playoffs twice.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 21, 2022 17:17:00 GMT -5
According to Chris Bisignana on Giants Insider podcast, he said he "knows for a fact" that Schoen said in is interview that he likes Daniel Jones. I trust Chris's sources maybe more than anyone. Even if he does (I believe your source) how much does that really mean? I don't think that it means much at all. Bill Belichick also liked Cam Newton before he cut him for Mac Jones. We will see what happens come draft time and free agency. In terms of a new GM hire, I think that opinion is pretty important. Again, what bigger question was there to ask candidates? I won't compare that to NE, Cam was just a backup and not someone Bill was staking his success on. But again, supporting Jones should've been expected from any of these candidates. Doesn't mean there aren't other QB's they like too.
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