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Post by snyder55 on Jan 21, 2022 17:20:06 GMT -5
It would be interesting if they bring Trubisky in on the cheap. Not as a long term but at least as a serviceable backup for when, not if, Jones goes down again. You have to believe that this is Jones' last chance to prove something. His contract is coming to a close and they have to determine if there is long term value in keeping him. .he also has a history with Tyrod Taylor (was there in 2017) I like Tyrod Taylor, he can be exciting to watch...
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Post by SG88 on Jan 21, 2022 17:22:33 GMT -5
I never said there was ...some people here have Jones Derangement Syndrome apparently and want him out no matter what even if it means reaching for a wish franchise QB early in the 1st or making the horrible Watson trade with no regards on how to fix everything else Jones and Taylor or something is perfect... If a qb they like falls to the 3rd go for it with the * that if they have a shot at one of the top 2023 qbs they go for it First, there is no such thing as derangement syndrome. Our ex president used that stupid saying, and people ran with it. Second, there is a thing as denial and having your head in the sand. They like to be called realists, but they come off as groupies. No one knows what Joe Schoen envisions with this team, all we have our opinions and a friends, friend told someone in confidence what was said in the meeting. Joe hasn’t even been on the job long enough for his contract to be dried. If Jones is our best option, and our head coach signs off on it. We have to ride it out. Whatever the case is, new head coaches with new general managers normally don’t stick to past failed regimes. This offseason will say a lot what Joe wants to do. Our first priority is getting breathing room under the cap. We can’t fix an offensive line with pocket change. No restructuring, that is a temporary fix that leads to long term effects. Next, scout the hell out of offensive line. We have four vacant spots, and we can’t fix them all in one offseason. But, we can start the rebuild running. And last, until proven otherwise. We are still a badly run organization. Ten years of dreck is very difficult to erase in a 24 hour period. The next two years will tell us if we’re heading in the right direction. The NFL is built off parity that bad teams can rebound quickly.. We still have yet to get that memo. All I am asking for in regard to the QB position is good and consistent play. It isn't personal. Jones is severely lacking in the consistency department. The guy can look like a stud for two drives and then look like a dud for 10. That is my biggest issue with the guy and I've just seen enough. I'm not a hater for wanting a new QB. I also don't care if a fan is still dug in on Jones being the guy. People on here take opinions that are contrary to their own way too personally.
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Post by SG88 on Jan 21, 2022 17:27:09 GMT -5
Even if he does (I believe your source) how much does that really mean? I don't think that it means much at all. Bill Belichick also liked Cam Newton before he cut him for Mac Jones. We will see what happens come draft time and free agency. In terms of a new GM hire, I think that opinion is pretty important. Again, what bigger question was there to ask candidates? I won't compare that to NE, Cam was just a backup and not someone Bill was staking his success on. But again, supporting Jones should've been expected from any of these candidates. Doesn't mean there aren't other QB's they like too. I can understand your side of it. I just don't see the value of that statement. John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan also like Jimmy Garopolo. Did that stop them from drafting Trey Lance? We will see how he answers that question at his press conference. Are you going to trip if he says that he is going to evaluate the whole roster and decide what is best?
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 21, 2022 17:27:55 GMT -5
First, there is no such thing as derangement syndrome. Our ex president used that stupid saying, and people ran with it. Second, there is a thing as denial and having your head in the sand. They like to be called realists, but they come off as groupies. No one knows what Joe Schoen envisions with this team, all we have our opinions and a friends, friend told someone in confidence what was said in the meeting. Joe hasn’t even been on the job long enough for his contract to be dried. If Jones is our best option, and our head coach signs off on it. We have to ride it out. Whatever the case is, new head coaches with new general managers normally don’t stick to past failed regimes. This offseason will say a lot what Joe wants to do. Our first priority is getting breathing room under the cap. We can’t fix an offensive line with pocket change. No restructuring, that is a temporary fix that leads to long term effects. Next, scout the hell out of offensive line. We have four vacant spots, and we can’t fix them all in one offseason. But, we can start the rebuild running. And last, until proven otherwise. We are still a badly run organization. Ten years of dreck is very difficult to erase in a 24 hour period. The next two years will tell us if we’re heading in the right direction. The NFL is built off parity that bad teams can rebound quickly.. We still have yet to get that memo. All I am asking for in regard to the QB position is good and consistent play. It isn't personal. Jones is severely lacking in the consistency department. The guy can look like a stud for two drives and then look like a dud for 10. That is my biggest issue with the guy and I've just seen enough. I'm not a hater for wanting a new QB. I also don't care if a fan is still dug in on Jones being the guy. People on here take opinions that are contrary to their own way too personally. pretty much agree with you on Jones, if he had it to show we would have seen it by now, the league is full of QBs with his level of talent, but since we have so little cap room and the QBs in this draft don't look that great I have the feeling that Jones will be our QB this year unless or until he gets hurt...
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 21, 2022 17:32:00 GMT -5
What are Chris Bisignana's credentials and how come he's the only one that has this information?
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Post by SG88 on Jan 21, 2022 17:38:22 GMT -5
What are Chris Bisignana's credentials and how come he's the only one that has this information? He knows somebody that knows somebody that knows somebody 😏
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 21, 2022 17:42:37 GMT -5
First, there is no such thing as derangement syndrome. Our ex president used that stupid saying, and people ran with it. Second, there is a thing as denial and having your head in the sand. They like to be called realists, but they come off as groupies. No one knows what Joe Schoen envisions with this team, all we have our opinions and a friends, friend told someone in confidence what was said in the meeting. Joe hasn’t even been on the job long enough for his contract to be dried. If Jones is our best option, and our head coach signs off on it. We have to ride it out. Whatever the case is, new head coaches with new general managers normally don’t stick to past failed regimes. This offseason will say a lot what Joe wants to do. Our first priority is getting breathing room under the cap. We can’t fix an offensive line with pocket change. No restructuring, that is a temporary fix that leads to long term effects. Next, scout the hell out of offensive line. We have four vacant spots, and we can’t fix them all in one offseason. But, we can start the rebuild running. And last, until proven otherwise. We are still a badly run organization. Ten years of dreck is very difficult to erase in a 24 hour period. The next two years will tell us if we’re heading in the right direction. The NFL is built off parity that bad teams can rebound quickly.. We still have yet to get that memo. All I am asking for in regard to the QB position is good and consistent play. It isn't personal. Jones is severely lacking in the consistency department. The guy can look like a stud for two drives and then look like a dud for 10. That is my biggest issue with the guy and I've just seen enough. I'm not a hater for wanting a new QB. I also don't care if a fan is still dug in on Jones being the guy. People on here take opinions that are contrary to their own way too personally. You can’t reason with the unreasonable. There is enough evidence that says he’s not the guy, and yet fans still want the smoking gun. When your main argument is he’s better than Fromm and Glennon. You already lost.. Those two should be selling water to fish. Can’t use his record, that’s not a fair argument. Can’t use his stats, that doesn’t paint the whole picture. And can’t judge is performance, for he plays with bums. Then what the hell do we do? Just dig a hole, and stick our head in it till it’s all over? I can’t stand when the Eli Manning comparisons arise. “Well, it took Eli a few years.” Right, so we should have giving Dave Brown more time too. Hell, Kent Graham didn’t get a fair shake. He could have been something if only he was giving the chance. The closest Jones will ever get to Eli, is when he sees him in the hallways
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Post by lasion2 on Jan 21, 2022 17:50:33 GMT -5
TyrodTaylor might actually be too rich for our blood at 10+ million. Trubisky is 2-3 million. They seem like the obvious, and even best, options. Where’s Rosen at these days?
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 21, 2022 17:50:47 GMT -5
What are Chris Bisignana's credentials and how come he's the only one that has this information? He knows somebody that knows somebody that knows somebody 😏 Unless that somebody is “the carpenter”, he’s probably just telling the fanatics in his audience what they want to hear. Lol.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 17:53:47 GMT -5
TyrodTaylor might actually be too rich for our blood at 10+ million. Trubisky is 2-3 million. They seem like the obvious, and even best, options. Where’s Rosen at these days? Nah...Taylor won't be any more than 8 million
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Post by McCherry on Jan 21, 2022 18:00:15 GMT -5
In terms of a new GM hire, I think that opinion is pretty important. Again, what bigger question was there to ask candidates? I won't compare that to NE, Cam was just a backup and not someone Bill was staking his success on. But again, supporting Jones should've been expected from any of these candidates. Doesn't mean there aren't other QB's they like too. I can understand your side of it. I just don't see the value of that statement. John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan also like Jimmy Garopolo. Did that stop them from drafting Trey Lance? We will see how he answers that question at his press conference. Are you going to trip if he says that he is going to evaluate the whole roster and decide what is best? I fully expect him to. He wasn't hired for his good looks.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 18:07:49 GMT -5
I can understand your side of it. I just don't see the value of that statement. John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan also like Jimmy Garopolo. Did that stop them from drafting Trey Lance? We will see how he answers that question at his press conference. Are you going to trip if he says that he is going to evaluate the whole roster and decide what is best? I fully expect him to. He wasn't hired for his good looks. Yeah nobody is going to be off limits for a full evaluation from a group of people who have zero ties to them
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Post by Speedman on Jan 21, 2022 18:12:22 GMT -5
All I am asking for in regard to the QB position is good and consistent play. It isn't personal. Jones is severely lacking in the consistency department. The guy can look like a stud for two drives and then look like a dud for 10. That is my biggest issue with the guy and I've just seen enough. I'm not a hater for wanting a new QB. I also don't care if a fan is still dug in on Jones being the guy. People on here take opinions that are contrary to their own way too personally. You can’t reason with the unreasonable. There is enough evidence that says he’s not the guy, and yet fans still want the smoking gun. When your main argument is he’s better than Fromm and Glennon. You already lost.. Those two should be selling water to fish. Can’t use his record, that’s not a fair argument. Can’t use his stats, that doesn’t paint the whole picture. And can’t judge is performance, for he plays with bums. Then what the hell do we do? Just dig a hole, and stick our head in it till it’s all over? I can’t stand when the Eli Manning comparisons arise. “Well, it took Eli a few years.” Right, so we should have giving Dave Brown more time too. Hell, Kent Graham didn’t get a fair shake. He could have been something if only he was giving the chance. The closest Jones will ever get to Eli, is when he sees him in the hallways Jones was a better player under Shurmur. Maybe a new coaching staff can bring him to a higher level than the last two years.
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Post by mj312 on Jan 21, 2022 18:23:23 GMT -5
Even if he likes Jones , there is no way he can love Jones ..he has the talent of a solid backup but that's about the extent . He is way too Injury prone and mistake ridden to be considered a reliable option as a starter .. we went from a QB who was never out of the game to a QB that's never in the game ..
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Post by Jomo on Jan 21, 2022 18:40:26 GMT -5
A more important question would be draft priorities.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 21, 2022 18:42:30 GMT -5
Even if he likes Jones , there is no way he can love Jones ..he has the talent of a solid backup but that's about the extent . He is way too Injury prone and mistake ridden to be considered a reliable option as a starter .. we went from a QB who was never out of the game to a QB that's never in the game .. I am as concerned about Jones' injuries as anyone but you do realize that Phil Simms was also considered injury prone after a compound dislocation of the thumb on his throwing hand and an ACL. Both of course were season ending. He went on to be an iron man for us at QB.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 21, 2022 20:01:18 GMT -5
We know the coaches.... But we know GMs also like to bring in players they have a history with... Trying to see who they have as a free agent The only guy I see is Issah McKenzie..and reciever being a need and Shep gone could be a cheap replacement Trubisky? I liked Trubisky early on but he seemed to have fizzled out and now I wouldn't be enthused with him coming here, he always seemed to be struggling in most of the games I've seen... Could be a much better backup then what we have sitting here now.
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Jan 21, 2022 20:08:20 GMT -5
Not really. If he doesn't pick a QB it may mean he likes Jones for the future or it may mean he doesn't see a future QB available in the draft. Now if he picks a QB at 5, it doesn't mean he doesn't like Jones, it may just mean he doesn't think he's a good QB. I mean what is a new GM and coach supposed to say They come out and say Jones isn't the future its the biggest telegraph to every other team out there what our intentions are I distinctly remember Coughlin coming out more than a few times when hired saying we can win with Kerry Collins.....look what happened well to be fair wasnt it more the fact Collins didnt want to be the mentor?
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Post by jaymas on Jan 21, 2022 20:17:39 GMT -5
According to Chris Bisignana on Giants Insider podcast, he said he "knows for a fact" that Schoen said in is interview that he likes Daniel Jones. I trust Chris's sources maybe more than anyone. Which means absolutely nothing.. I like pizza, doesn’t mean I’m going to invest into a pizzeria. We’ll see how much he “likes” him when the decision on picking up his 5th year option in May. Could still like him and not pick that up. Tryout year is the safest thing regardless.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Jan 21, 2022 20:36:41 GMT -5
We know the coaches.... But we know GMs also like to bring in players they have a history with... Trying to see who they have as a free agent The only guy I see is Issah McKenzie..and reciever being a need and Shep gone could be a cheap replacement Trubisky? People who should be cap casualties.... 1. James Bradberry ....That contract was never a good idea even though he played well last year but showed more of what he truly is this season. 2. Blake Martinez .... Another big contract he earned it but the injury and the money isn't going to work out. 3. Sterling Sheppard..... Justin Pugh 2.0 going to miss at least 4-6 games per season we love overpaying for mediocrity. 4. Kyle Rudolph...Let's double down on incompetence lets pay an injured washed TE money we really didn't have. 5. Riley Dixon...... One of the worst punters in the league another Gettleman gem for 3.25 Million smh... Honorable Mention: Logan Ryan and Kenny Golladay we can't cut them this year because of the dead cap but what a disaster 2023 can't come fast enough.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Jan 21, 2022 20:45:18 GMT -5
First, there is no such thing as derangement syndrome. Our ex president used that stupid saying, and people ran with it. Second, there is a thing as denial and having your head in the sand. They like to be called realists, but they come off as groupies. No one knows what Joe Schoen envisions with this team, all we have our opinions and a friends, friend told someone in confidence what was said in the meeting. Joe hasn’t even been on the job long enough for his contract to be dried. If Jones is our best option, and our head coach signs off on it. We have to ride it out. Whatever the case is, new head coaches with new general managers normally don’t stick to past failed regimes. This offseason will say a lot what Joe wants to do. Our first priority is getting breathing room under the cap. We can’t fix an offensive line with pocket change. No restructuring, that is a temporary fix that leads to long term effects. Next, scout the hell out of offensive line. We have four vacant spots, and we can’t fix them all in one offseason. But, we can start the rebuild running. And last, until proven otherwise. We are still a badly run organization. Ten years of dreck is very difficult to erase in a 24 hour period. The next two years will tell us if we’re heading in the right direction. The NFL is built off parity that bad teams can rebound quickly.. We still have yet to get that memo. All I am asking for in regard to the QB position is good and consistent play. It isn't personal. Jones is severely lacking in the consistency department. The guy can look like a stud for two drives and then look like a dud for 10. That is my biggest issue with the guy and I've just seen enough. I'm not a hater for wanting a new QB. I also don't care if a fan is still dug in on Jones being the guy. People on here take opinions that are contrary to their own way too personally. You just figuring that out? You see the uproar when they kept trotting out a washed ELI and force feeding us that he was still a good QB and people kept trying to say Eli isn't the main problem with the team but he sure was a major symptom.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Jan 21, 2022 20:57:07 GMT -5
You can’t reason with the unreasonable. There is enough evidence that says he’s not the guy, and yet fans still want the smoking gun. When your main argument is he’s better than Fromm and Glennon. You already lost.. Those two should be selling water to fish. Can’t use his record, that’s not a fair argument. Can’t use his stats, that doesn’t paint the whole picture. And can’t judge is performance, for he plays with bums. Then what the hell do we do? Just dig a hole, and stick our head in it till it’s all over? I can’t stand when the Eli Manning comparisons arise. “Well, it took Eli a few years.” Right, so we should have giving Dave Brown more time too. Hell, Kent Graham didn’t get a fair shake. He could have been something if only he was giving the chance. The closest Jones will ever get to Eli, is when he sees him in the hallways Jones was a better player under Shurmur. Maybe a new coaching staff can bring him to a higher level than the last two years. My hope is that they flush the whole scouting depart and bring in the proper talent evaluators Jones and the rest of the trash on this roster can go we have only 3to 4 players worth keeping on the whole roster that just shows what a poor job Chris Petit and the rest of Gettleman's staff did.
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Post by te88 on Jan 21, 2022 21:02:59 GMT -5
According to Chris Bisignana on Giants Insider podcast, he said he "knows for a fact" that Schoen said in is interview that he likes Daniel Jones. I trust Chris's sources maybe more than anyone. Even if you like Daniel Jones you can’t bet your future on him. The neck thing is a big deal. Plus his style of play…
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 21, 2022 21:05:58 GMT -5
According to Chris Bisignana on Giants Insider podcast, he said he "knows for a fact" that Schoen said in is interview that he likes Daniel Jones. I trust Chris's sources maybe more than anyone. Even if you like Daniel Jones you can’t bet your future on him. The neck thing is a big deal. Plus his style of play… His neck is why you bring in Tyrod Taylor Well of course if you want to low key tank you bring back Fromm and take a guy in the 7th and if Jones's neck is shot we trade assets in December and have the inside track for Bryce Young
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Post by vbgiantsfan on Jan 21, 2022 21:08:05 GMT -5
It's interesting to think that maybe Schoen sees a little Josh Allen in Jones. Jones has the legs. Clearly not the arm talent BUT he is one of the better downfield passers when he's given a second to throw.
I think Daboll has to be the guy to come in here and at least maximize whatever Jones is.
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Post by Speedman on Jan 21, 2022 23:50:29 GMT -5
Jones was a better player under Shurmur. Maybe a new coaching staff can bring him to a higher level than the last two years. My hope is that they flush the whole scouting depart and bring in the proper talent evaluators Jones and the rest of the trash on this roster can go we have only 3to 4 players worth keeping on the whole roster that just shows what a poor job Chris Petit and the rest of Gettleman's staff did. Good to know that you are an expert talent evaluator of QB’s. Please tell us who you want as QB for the Giants.
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Post by Martin on Jan 22, 2022 0:02:35 GMT -5
I have a feeling Jones will just be a stop gap next year. The Giants don't have much money to do anything else and with a draft that doesn't bode well for QB's I think DJ plays one more season under this new GM. After that all bets are off.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Jan 22, 2022 8:59:42 GMT -5
My hope is that they flush the whole scouting depart and bring in the proper talent evaluators Jones and the rest of the trash on this roster can go we have only 3to 4 players worth keeping on the whole roster that just shows what a poor job Chris Petit and the rest of Gettleman's staff did. Good to know that you are an expert talent evaluator of QB’s. Please tell us who you want as QB for the Giants. Well I already said we have to ride it out with Jones as a stop gap or lame duck whatever you want to call it. It was a bad idea to draft him in the first place now we are in QB hell. I won't trade for Wilson by the time they build around him he will be washed like Eli was. I don't think the Giants would trade for Watson due to his legal issues. Right now we just have to use Jones until we find a better option but first order of business is we need to overhaul our staff in the player personal.
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Post by mendy on Jan 22, 2022 11:27:20 GMT -5
According to Chris Bisignana on Giants Insider podcast, he said he "knows for a fact" that Schoen said in is interview that he likes Daniel Jones. I trust Chris's sources maybe more than anyone. I haven't an idea who said what but I find it sad that while many outside the Giants like Daniel Jones the fans are still on his case and find any positive statement about him to be a lie.
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Post by mendy on Jan 22, 2022 11:40:10 GMT -5
If I'm not mistake people are starting to come up with reasons to complain about our new GM already!
He can like Jones but not love him or what?
If he doesn't cut the right people?
If he doesn't bring in this or a different QB?
If he doesn't fire the entire scouting staff?
My point Shoen needs to hire a HC first, much of what fans want to be done will have to wait.
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