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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 23, 2022 14:51:15 GMT -5
The difference between them and us is Jones on the run... and when he runs right he cuts ooff his vision of half the field. Burrows is doing what Eli did... stand in there and take your licks. Burrows sacked 9 times. reminded me of when SF hit Eli over 30 times in the 2011 playoff game. You have to stand in there and use every last second to complete as much of your progressions as possible and get rid of the ball as fast as possible when you sense the rush. If that's only 2 seconds, so be it. DJ senses the pressure and takes off or makes a bad decision to get rid of it quick and makes a bad pass. He's always been able to use his legs to get out of trouble in HS and college. Can't do that in the NFL. Once the line improves I hope he can learn to be a QB, and not a scared scrambler. With a good line I think he'll be a very good QB. He's accurate and smart. But, not nearly as smart as someone like Brady, who despite having a much better line gets rid the the ball very quickly. He comes to the line, sees the D, and knows immediately who his most likely best target will be. Ball is snapped and when Brady is right the ball is out to that man in no time. DJ can't do that... yet. Eli always could read D's, too. It took Simms 4-5 years to learn to read defenses. When he finally did the line was much improved and it all came together for the Gmen back then. I hope DJ can get better because we can't afford to be using a high pick for another QB. Problem is this isn't back then when you had the luxury of being able to wait 7 years..even in Eli's era.. The CBA prevents this... It's the new normal unfortunately We will probably see more qbs "get it" on their 2nd team because of this if they get the chance than previously because of it..
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 23, 2022 15:05:57 GMT -5
Sorry I can't help but laugh. I do not know if you are joking or trolling but either way good one! We signed a WR coming off a 300 yard year with a busted hip who probably runs a 4.7 to a 72 million dollar contract...and drafted a WR in the 1st round who is a rapper first. The media had a good time ridiculing Gettleman's overspending but a lot of the fan base thought Joe Judge was the 2nd coming of Parcells after last season ended and were high on optimism. Burrow was a disappointing rookie year and was wearing a knee brace and walking with crutches. Last offseason Bengals fans started online petitions to get their head coach fired but their owner didn't flinch and they drafted a transformational WR. Watched a few clips of the game and I noticed Chase caught a routine 5-yard pass in the flat and took it for 60 yards. What a difference a year makes. Chase is amazing. He can go from 0-100 in a few steps. Super dangerous. We hoped Barkley would give us that kind of play this season.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 23, 2022 15:10:45 GMT -5
Sorry I can't help but laugh. I do not know if you are joking or trolling but either way good one! Im really not.which fans here blinked when we made Kenny Golloday the #7 highest paid WR in the league. People here said it was an excellent signing? has perception changed now? #7 highest paid WR in the NFL which fans/management loved is not longer considered that level because he's played with trash can QBs? not im not convince. We have the weapons. Just not the QB. But we have Mike here saying "the Giants have the worst Weapons in the NFL", new season same story haha, despite a $70MM investment as the #7th highest paid WR in the league and a first round pick at WR. Even the first round pick wasn't enough. Hilarious Any Yankees fan from the 1980's will know you can make Ed Whitson one of the highest paid players at his position but that will not make him one of the best. If you honestly think KG is equal to the WR the Bengals have then we are unlikely to agree about anything and you can not be my latex salesman! Our first round pick did some good things when healthy with DJ but that was not many games. Still not even close to equal to Chase.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 23, 2022 15:12:34 GMT -5
Exactly. They send their wideouts 20-35 yards down field. They have great receivers so I do not blame them but in our last 6 games we were scared to send anyone even 15 yards deep at times. not sure how many Giants receivers were healthy or if the QB could throw it that far. That is true but it really looked like we were afraid to call much in the air either due to our actual QB in those last 6 games or due to the line. I think it was more due to the line but I'm sure it was a combination. We did throw in a bit in garbage time
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Post by Zimonami on Jan 23, 2022 15:18:49 GMT -5
The difference between them and us is Jones on the run... and when he runs right he cuts ooff his vision of half the field. Burrows is doing what Eli did... stand in there and take your licks. Burrows sacked 9 times. reminded me of when SF hit Eli over 30 times in the 2011 playoff game. You have to stand in there and use every last second to complete as much of your progressions as possible and get rid of the ball as fast as possible when you sense the rush. If that's only 2 seconds, so be it. DJ senses the pressure and takes off or makes a bad decision to get rid of it quick and makes a bad pass. He's always been able to use his legs to get out of trouble in HS and college. Can't do that in the NFL. Once the line improves I hope he can learn to be a QB, and not a scared scrambler. With a good line I think he'll be a very good QB. He's accurate and smart. But, not nearly as smart as someone like Brady, who despite having a much better line gets rid the the ball very quickly. He comes to the line, sees the D, and knows immediately who his most likely best target will be. Ball is snapped and when Brady is right the ball is out to that man in no time. DJ can't do that... yet. Eli always could read D's, too. It took Simms 4-5 years to learn to read defenses. When he finally did the line was much improved and it all came together for the Gmen back then. I hope DJ can get better because we can't afford to be using a high pick for another QB. Problem is this isn't back then when you had the luxury of being able to wait 7 years..even in Eli's era.. The CBA prevents this... It's the new normal unfortunately We will probably see more qbs "get it" on their 2nd team because of this if they get the chance than previously because of it.. Right... and not just for QB's. There are some guys that don't mature until they're a little older. Prime for an OL, except for the exceptional, is usually after they're 25, 26, 27. Yes, unfortunately the new normal
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 23, 2022 15:22:57 GMT -5
Problem is this isn't back then when you had the luxury of being able to wait 7 years..even in Eli's era.. The CBA prevents this... It's the new normal unfortunately We will probably see more qbs "get it" on their 2nd team because of this if they get the chance than previously because of it.. Right... and not just for QB's. There are some guys that don't mature until they're a little older. Prime for an OL, except for the exceptional, is usually after they're 25, 26, 27. Yes, unfortunately the new normal Which is why when Gucken Fetttleman ignored any effort into getting weapons for Jones after trading Odell until he had to and not being good at building an even functional O line he ****ed everything up
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Post by TheAussieGiant on Jan 23, 2022 15:28:06 GMT -5
This needs to be on a shirt
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 23, 2022 16:54:37 GMT -5
We signed a WR coming off a 300 yard year with a busted hip who probably runs a 4.7 to a 72 million dollar contract...and drafted a WR in the 1st round who is a rapper first. The media had a good time ridiculing Gettleman's overspending but a lot of the fan base thought Joe Judge was the 2nd coming of Parcells after last season ended and were high on optimism. Burrow was a disappointing rookie year and was wearing a knee brace and walking with crutches. Last offseason Bengals fans started online petitions to get their head coach fired but their owner didn't flinch and they drafted a transformational WR. Watched a few clips of the game and I noticed Chase caught a routine 5-yard pass in the flat and took it for 60 yards. What a difference a year makes. Chase is amazing. He can go from 0-100 in a few steps. Super dangerous. We hoped Barkley would give us that kind of play this season. Chase is as advertised Hakeem Nicks with elite athleticism
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 23, 2022 17:50:01 GMT -5
Chase is amazing. He can go from 0-100 in a few steps. Super dangerous. We hoped Barkley would give us that kind of play this season. Chase is as advertised Hakeem Nicks with elite athleticism There was some concern about press coverage in his draft profile but you can not hit what you can not catch. Kid is fun to watch.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 23, 2022 17:54:19 GMT -5
Chase is as advertised Hakeem Nicks with elite athleticism There was some concern about press coverage in his draft profile but you can not hit what you can not catch. Kid is fun to watch. From who He doesn't post here anymore
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Post by kerryisdaman on Jan 23, 2022 17:59:50 GMT -5
There was some concern about press coverage in his draft profile but you can not hit what you can not catch. Kid is fun to watch. From who He doesn't post here anymore I do not know who you are talking about. I was talking about it the predraft profiles various websites had before the draft.
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Post by mj312 on Jan 23, 2022 19:17:05 GMT -5
I’m watching the Bengal vs Titans and by far the Bengals have a worse Offensive line than we do. It seems it helps greatly to have a QB and Coordinator who can make adjustments something we never could do. It’s the talent they have on offense that allows that .. nothing helps a struggling line like having play makers that actually make plays at the QB , receiver , and running back positions. Our guys make zero plays and it’s puts 100% of the pressure on our line ..Blaming the line is getting old .. the line has been replaced 3 times over and it’s still the same problems .. we need players that can actually break a tackle or run past someone… our skill players look like the slowest players in the nfl ..
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Post by Tyrell on Jan 24, 2022 10:25:48 GMT -5
burrow is something else, man that dude is driven, plays HARD, they got a gamer in him
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Post by mattmeyerbud on Jan 24, 2022 11:37:46 GMT -5
I’m watching the Bengal vs Titans and by far the Bengals have a worse Offensive line than we do. It seems it helps greatly to have a QB and Coordinator who can make adjustments something we never could do. as bad as they were, they were head and shoulders better than what we've been marching out there.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 24, 2022 12:10:44 GMT -5
I’m watching the Bengal vs Titans and by far the Bengals have a worse Offensive line than we do. It seems it helps greatly to have a QB and Coordinator who can make adjustments something we never could do. How is 20th worse than 30th?
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 24, 2022 12:13:29 GMT -5
a franchise QB over comes obstacles! Burrows is a truck, not a trailer Ever see a truck go off a cliff? If they don't fix that O line and fast that is what's going to happen We’ve seen it before
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Post by jaymas on Jan 24, 2022 12:50:52 GMT -5
What I've learned:
The Bengals do not have a worse offensive line than the Giants. I'm not saying it's great, it is not worse Chase is very good, and it made me think of when we had an LSU receiver take 5 yard slants 60 yards Joe Burrow's got some moxie
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Post by Kase1 on Jan 24, 2022 14:13:05 GMT -5
What I've learned: The Bengals do not have a worse offensive line than the Giants. I'm not saying it's great, it is not worse Chase is very good, and it made me think of when we had an LSU receiver take 5 yard slants 60 yards Joe Burrow's got some moxie I dont remember Rueben Randle doing that, lol
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 24, 2022 14:17:13 GMT -5
What I've learned: The Bengals do not have a worse offensive line than the Giants. I'm not saying it's great, it is not worse Chase is very good, and it made me think of when we had an LSU receiver take 5 yard slants 60 yards Joe Burrow's got some moxie I dont remember Rueben Randle doing that, lol Nor do I remember Derick Dillon doing it either
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Post by thetruth on Jan 24, 2022 14:49:32 GMT -5
I’m watching the Bengal vs Titans and by far the Bengals have a worse Offensive line than we do. It seems it helps greatly to have a QB and Coordinator who can make adjustments something we never could do. as bad as they were, they were head and shoulders better than what we've been marching out there. Burrows got sacked 9 times last game. 9, playoff record I might add. Bobby Harts backup RT isn't quite gettin' er done. we just like to live in our own world. Its comfortable.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 24, 2022 14:54:09 GMT -5
as bad as they were, they were head and shoulders better than what we've been marching out there. Burrows got sacked 9 times last game. 9, playoff record I might add. Bobby Harts backup RT isn't quite gettin' er done. we just like to live in our own world. Its comfortable. isn’t Hart on the Bills practice squad?
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Post by thetruth on Jan 24, 2022 14:55:54 GMT -5
Burrows got sacked 9 times last game. 9, playoff record I might add. Bobby Harts backup RT isn't quite gettin' er done. we just like to live in our own world. Its comfortable. isn’t Hart on the Bills practice squad? He'd been a starter on their team way back, since 2018. His status may have changed. based on what we know, the fact that he was a starter, is well, hard to believe. Cinci OL is the same as the Giants, except they dont have a top-10 OT in Andrew Thomas.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 24, 2022 16:00:11 GMT -5
as bad as they were, they were head and shoulders better than what we've been marching out there. Burrows got sacked 9 times last game. 9, playoff record I might add. Bobby Harts backup RT isn't quite gettin' er done. we just like to live in our own world. Its comfortable. Neither was Hart obviously but neither of those things makes that stat an overall OL Rating. Both OLS suck, the Giants' somewhat moreso; Burrows makes things happen with his, Jones doesn't but either way but it's hardly a sustainable model.
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Post by thetruth on Jan 24, 2022 16:01:21 GMT -5
Burrows got sacked 9 times last game. 9, playoff record I might add. Bobby Harts backup RT isn't quite gettin' er done. we just like to live in our own world. Its comfortable. Neither was Hart obviously but neither of those things makes that stat an overall OL Rating. Both OLS suck, the Giants' somewhat moreso; Burrows makes things happen with his, Jones doesn't but either way but it's hardly a sustainable model. Burrow hit truck status yet you think? I think he could be apart of either of your "15%" arguments.
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Post by Sarcasman on Jan 24, 2022 16:05:10 GMT -5
Neither was Hart obviously but neither of those things makes that stat an overall OL Rating. Both OLS suck, the Giants' somewhat moreso; Burrows makes things happen with his, Jones doesn't but either way but it's hardly a sustainable model. Burrow hit truck status yet you think? I think he could be apart of either of your "15%" arguments. Currently? Sure. Career wise? Too soon.
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Post by nyg2 on Jan 30, 2022 22:09:18 GMT -5
It's not sustainable Just as I say it's not sustainable to have your defense carry a team and run a big guy up the middle all day and win 9-6...this is also just as non sustainable Burrow does show a special it factor though Smart and poised...does not get rattled. They are superbowl contenders once they fix the OL... Looks like they're superbowl contenders now. Will be an interesting matchup between the Rams and Bengals.
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Post by jerky on Jan 30, 2022 22:11:49 GMT -5
Lets see how Burrow does against either the Bills or the Chiefs. I don't think its gonna work out to well for him. Worked out pretty well for him.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 30, 2022 22:16:10 GMT -5
Smart and poised...does not get rattled. They are superbowl contenders once they fix the OL... Looks like they're superbowl contenders now. Will be an interesting matchup between the Rams and Bengals. Their O line actually played well...pass protection wise.. Couldn't run it a kick till the game winning drive
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Post by jay051 on Jan 30, 2022 22:47:19 GMT -5
Smart and poised...does not get rattled. They are superbowl contenders once they fix the OL... Looks like they're superbowl contenders now. Will be an interesting matchup between the Rams and Bengals. . Rams not losing to the Bengals at home. Kupp is something else and that Rams defense will look like what the BUCS defense was in last year's Superbowl to Mahomes. Cool Joe is the real deal but hes coming out on the losing end in a few weeks.
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Post by lt56 on Jan 31, 2022 1:09:02 GMT -5
Hell I don't think the Rams Line is that good either but what both teams have are Great SCHEMES Offensively and a ton of Weapons so the ball gets out quickly
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