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Post by snyder55 on Jan 25, 2022 17:20:38 GMT -5
after Sundays game I think Daboll's value went off the chart... in a good way or bad? way up
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Jan 25, 2022 17:20:39 GMT -5
Not sure who has talked to who so far. he is the only offensive coach the Giants have talked to so far. The reason I prefer an experienced HC. We have an inexperienced GM. There are some out there, I would say Payton is out Giants don't have the picks to give and Harbaugh I think is out because i think him and NY would be like oil and water, who do you like.
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Post by snyder55 on Jan 25, 2022 17:21:36 GMT -5
after Sundays game I think Daboll's value went off the chart... I googled it. Why is he not getting interviews? If what you say is true. He should be getting calls for interviews, like phone ringing constantly calls. can't figure that out, just shows what I know..
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Post by TEM on Jan 25, 2022 17:29:52 GMT -5
The reason I prefer an experienced HC. We have an inexperienced GM. There are some out there, I would say Payton is out Giants don't have the picks to give and Harbaugh I think is out because i think him and NY would be like oil and water, who do you like. Quinn. He has a winning record and brough a team to the Super Bowl.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 25, 2022 17:38:02 GMT -5
Daboll to me is the only one that seems like a good choice... Granted he has to get someone that can share his offensive mind as the last 2 offensive guys we brought in here had to settle for guys that were a bad fit...
Daboll basically runs a hybrid Erheart/Perkins style with some modern elements. There are a few guys that he probably can get even in the college ranks that are familiar (he'll we still technically have Calloway on staff,we shouldn't let the fact he was stuck on Garrett's system be a ding on him if Daboll likes him)
Watching his play calls,schemes,adjustments,actually sticking with the run for as long as he did (his issue at times was not running it out of a more spread formation).. He turned a high risk qb pick into 1a with Mahomes arguably now as top dog QB..
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 25, 2022 17:41:11 GMT -5
Still really not sold on any of them. I guess my two are Flores (defensive minded coach, struggled to get his offense going although, tua) Dabool and tbh, this guy wasn't good at all until Allen, Dan Quinn (defensive coach, flacons.. nuff said) There's so much hype around some of these guys i'm not excited about anyone of them.. anyone else? or do you think one of these guys JUST HAS TO be the guy. I didn’t read any comments and know this isn’t a original thought, but every coaching option, this group or any other, is going to have warts. I love the Schoen hire but he’s a complete unknown too, and again, what was his team before Allen? This is the issue with changing coaches. Your options always boil down to what imperfections are you willing to tolerate the most? Because no coach looks like an ideal fit BEFORE they’re hired. And most of them don’t after they’re hired either.
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Post by mendy on Jan 25, 2022 17:47:48 GMT -5
Being on a list and being interviewed are not the same. I get what you are saying. Him not being brought in by another team. To me that is a flag. Not sure who has talked to who so far. he is the only offensive coach the Giants have talked to so far. I will agree it might be slight but we have no idea who has called and who hasn't maybe there are teams he doesn't want to work for?
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Post by mendy on Jan 25, 2022 17:49:16 GMT -5
The reason I prefer an experienced HC. We have an inexperienced GM. There are some out there, I would say Payton is out Giants don't have the picks to give and Harbaugh I think is out because i think him and NY would be like oil and water, who do you like. Peyton does not want to Coach again "right now".
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Post by mendy on Jan 25, 2022 17:51:23 GMT -5
There are some out there, I would say Payton is out Giants don't have the picks to give and Harbaugh I think is out because i think him and NY would be like oil and water, who do you like. Quinn. He has a winning record and brough a team to the Super Bowl. That was my suggestion also and was immediately shot down.
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Post by TEM on Jan 25, 2022 17:55:19 GMT -5
Quinn. He has a winning record and brough a team to the Super Bowl. That was my suggestion also and was immediately shot down. By who?
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 25, 2022 17:57:47 GMT -5
That was my suggestion also and was immediately shot down. By who? People who think the perfect unemployed HC exists. They’re as common as rainbow unicorns in West Virginia.
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Post by McCherry on Jan 25, 2022 17:57:55 GMT -5
How can we fairly evaluate a first-time head coach? And the retreads all have warts of some kind.
One thing is certain, fans are the absolute worst at projecting successful head coaches. Everyone here loved Judge. Fans loved Rivera, hated Siriani. I remember how Weiss, Crennell were huge favorites back in the day.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 25, 2022 18:01:16 GMT -5
Quinn. He has a winning record and brough a team to the Super Bowl. That was my suggestion also and was immediately shot down. I would be thrilled if they hired Quinn. He’s a positive motivator which is a great contrast to what we just had. Knows what the pressure of the position is like, has a decent record for an unemployed HC and no history of dust ups or interpersonal issues with his boss. He’s no worse than any other option out there. It’s like arguing over what your favourite flavour of ice cream is.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Jan 25, 2022 18:03:27 GMT -5
The whole deal with Flores at Miami concerns me, some real red flags there I think. Daboll is a bit of an unknown commodity, and let's face it, Josh Allen makes that offense go.
Quinn? I think only if he can bring a really good OC with him. One guy that hasn't been talked about much is Pederson. He won a SB with Nick Foles, and I also think he knew Wentz wasn't the guy either...and Wentz wasn't good enough with the Colts down the stretch either. At one time he was very highly regarded.
I would love Payton, first choice for me by far, but I think he's taking a break for awhile. Harbaugh is a proven winner, can't deny that. I have a feeling if he comes back it's with the Bears..
In the end, it's a crapshoot. You have to trust the new GM to hire the right guy, and hope Mara lets him do it.
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Post by cdngfan on Jan 25, 2022 18:06:31 GMT -5
How can we fairly evaluate a first-time head coach? And the retreads all have warts of some kind. One thing is certain, fans are the absolute worst at projecting successful head coaches. Everyone here loved Judge. Fans loved Rivera, hated Siriani. I remember how Weiss, Crennell were huge favorites back in the day. Truer words have not been typed on here. We’re all arguing over preferences. One fan thinks fired HCs can’t improve, another looks at rookie HCs as a completely blind purchase. There are no flawless HCs that are available. Every option has something that completely sucks about them.
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Post by Rangers13 on Jan 25, 2022 18:12:19 GMT -5
Still really not sold on any of them. I guess my two are Flores (defensive minded coach, struggled to get his offense going although, tua) Dabool and tbh, this guy wasn't good at all until Allen, Dan Quinn (defensive coach, flacons.. nuff said) There's so much hype around some of these guys i'm not excited about anyone of them.. anyone else? or do you think one of these guys JUST HAS TO be the guy. i think whomever the Giants chose will be great. Start the clock
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Post by Kruunch on Jan 25, 2022 18:47:25 GMT -5
How can we fairly evaluate a first-time head coach? And the retreads all have warts of some kind. One thing is certain, fans are the absolute worst at projecting successful head coaches. Everyone here loved Judge. Fans loved Rivera, hated Siriani. I remember how Weiss, Crennell were huge favorites back in the day. A fans job is not to be right, it’s to be heard.
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Post by mendy on Jan 25, 2022 19:33:54 GMT -5
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Post by nick030567 on Jan 25, 2022 20:08:43 GMT -5
I'd be more sold on Flores if I knew he wasn't adamant about having Watson as QB.
I'm always skeptical of the latest hot offensive coordinator.But I've never actually heard Daboll speak so I have no clue if I'd get the vibe that he'll be a good leader or can assemble a talented staff.
I also don't want another Head Coach that calls plays. That should be for emergencies only, on a temporary basis. It seems to be very rare that this works successfully these days
So if the choice is Daboll I hope he can find a good coordinator with a similar mind who he can have confidence in as a play caller.
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Post by cruzsoldier on Jan 25, 2022 20:51:03 GMT -5
personally, I'm a fan of Leftwich, going back to his days at Grambling. I feel that he has displayed tremendous leadership over the years, and I like the work he's done with Arians. Learning from TB12 is not a bad thing either. Grambling? Do you mean Marshall University? I really don't like candidates who work with great talent( i.e. Ben Roethlisberger and Tom Brady)QB's I'd rather the guy who can take a suspect QB and make him better that's really what we need someone who can make Jones good like Pat Schurmur did.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 25, 2022 21:05:01 GMT -5
personally, I'm a fan of Leftwich, going back to his days at Grambling. I feel that he has displayed tremendous leadership over the years, and I like the work he's done with Arians. Learning from TB12 is not a bad thing either. Grambling? Do you mean Marshall University? I really don't like candidates who work with great talent( i.e. Ben Roethlisberger and Tom Brady)QB's I'd rather the guy who can take a suspect QB and make him better that's really what we need someone who can make Jones good like Pat Schurmur did. maybe it was Marshall, they say memory is the first thing to go, lol!! So you consider Jameis Winston great talent? Outside of the turnovers, he had a great year under Leftwich's watch, but I don't think anyone calls him elite.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Jan 25, 2022 21:18:45 GMT -5
I'd be more sold on Flores if I knew he wasn't adamant about having Watson as QB. I'm always skeptical of the latest hot offensive coordinator.But I've never actually heard Daboll speak so I have no clue if I'd get the vibe that he'll be a good leader or can assemble a talented staff. I also don't want another Head Coach that calls plays. That should be for emergencies only, on a temporary basis. It seems to be very rare that this works successfully these days So if the choice is Daboll I hope he can find a good coordinator with a similar mind who he can have confidence in as a play caller. who wouldn't want Watson as qb???????????/
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Jan 25, 2022 21:22:11 GMT -5
Still really not sold on any of them. I guess my two are Flores (defensive minded coach, struggled to get his offense going although, tua) Dabool and tbh, this guy wasn't good at all until Allen, Dan Quinn (defensive coach, flacons.. nuff said) There's so much hype around some of these guys i'm not excited about anyone of them.. anyone else? or do you think one of these guys JUST HAS TO be the guy. I agree 100% and yet I feel everyone of them would be better than Joe Judge. None of these people would be over their heads like Judge was.
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Post by Fletch842 on Jan 26, 2022 7:24:00 GMT -5
I'd be more sold on Flores if I knew he wasn't adamant about having Watson as QB. I'm always skeptical of the latest hot offensive coordinator.But I've never actually heard Daboll speak so I have no clue if I'd get the vibe that he'll be a good leader or can assemble a talented staff. I also don't want another Head Coach that calls plays. That should be for emergencies only, on a temporary basis. It seems to be very rare that this works successfully these days So if the choice is Daboll I hope he can find a good coordinator with a similar mind who he can have confidence in as a play caller. who wouldn't want Watson as qb???????????/ his play on the field, sure, but all the baggage, not so much.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 26, 2022 7:44:11 GMT -5
who wouldn't want Watson as qb???????????/ his play on the field, sure, but all the baggage, not so much. Or the rebuild crippling draft pick compensation and instant cap hit required to get him
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Post by Jomo on Jan 26, 2022 7:46:37 GMT -5
What we need is the next Andy Reid.
Now there's a re-tread!
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Post by TEM on Jan 26, 2022 7:53:00 GMT -5
his play on the field, sure, but all the baggage, not so much. Or the rebuild crippling draft pick compensation and instant cap hit required to get him He has more problems associated with him than the new staff needs. Rodgers, Jimm G and Carr are better options. All 3 of the will cap strap us . They are all band aid fixes that will not stop the deep gash blood flow from our O-line.
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Post by giantlegacy on Jan 26, 2022 7:55:11 GMT -5
Or the rebuild crippling draft pick compensation and instant cap hit required to get him He has more problems associated with him than the new staff needs. Rodgers, Jimm G and Carr are better options. All 3 of the will cap strap us . They are all band aid fixes that will not stop the blood flow from out O-line. Exactly As much as I don't advocate this this year I'd rather a first on one of these high risk guys of they have deep confidence they can develop one ...At least he would be in a rookie deal window
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Post by nick030567 on Jan 26, 2022 8:31:51 GMT -5
How can we fairly evaluate a first-time head coach? And the retreads all have warts of some kind. One thing is certain, fans are the absolute worst at projecting successful head coaches. Everyone here loved Judge. Fans loved Rivera, hated Siriani. I remember how Weiss, Crennell were huge favorites back in the day. I'm very wary of going with the latest "big name" coordinator, for lack of a better term lol. I mean, sure, Daboll's scheme is amazing. But it's about how he can lead the team as a CEO who gives (common sense) direction, but doesn't dictate playcalling or scheme. Can he assemble a good staff? Can he motivate both sides of the ball effectively? Does he stubbornly try to fit square pegs in round holes? Will he hire coaches that also try doing the same? Will he want to be a dual HC/OC? He seems smart, but so did MacAdoo. I would've never imagined that Mac, Pat and Garrett were as stubborn and stupid as they were. Crennel, Weiss and Mangini always come to mind. Mangini did have some moderate success though for a season or two, didn't he? Based on resume alone Flores and Quinn are probably, technically, the best candidates.. I also don't want any Buffalo favoritism. That's the Mara mentality, isn't it? Hire only those you know? I mean that does work sometimes for sure. But I just want them to get the best coach..
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Post by Tyrell on Jan 26, 2022 8:45:54 GMT -5
I sincerely have no idea how any of these guys will be, I guess I wanted either the buffalo or KC tandem of hc and gm just because I figured the two guys would be right in step with each other and we'd have some cohesion and a solid plan, instead of this mix of dudes we've had lately/
ive said before, everyone all over social media is judging all these coordinators based on their 'coordinating' which beyond what scheme they like, will have very little to do with their success as a head coach of the new york giants.
we'll have to have faith in schoen - if we got that right, i feel a lot better about the hc situation because schoen wont put up with garbage methinks, and will hire/fire accordingly
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