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Post by Kruunch on Feb 2, 2022 18:00:38 GMT -5
I’ll get back to you now, he’s in the super bowl. A Bengals franchise that is arguably the worst run team in American sports. Is a game away from being champions. And that’s in part to their quarterback. Yeah, he’s got weapons. But, their biggest artillery is Joe Burrow. Get back to me when Jones isn’t a meme. Burrows is a great QB. If Joe can throw 95 yards that does not mean that every other QB needs to throw 95 yards. It would be great to have a Joe Burrows but there is just the one so we will have to hope that our guy stapes up once he gets better coaching, protection and some guys to get open that can catch the ball. Please do not come back with Kenny Golladay. Its been a long day and I do not have the energy to explain why KG is not Jamar Chase. Kenny Golladay is a fraud. I would be tired too, if I had to carry the fairytale of Daniel Jones is a good quarterback.. Three years and we’re still kicking this can around.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Feb 2, 2022 18:04:26 GMT -5
Burrows is a great QB. If Joe can throw 95 yards that does not mean that every other QB needs to throw 95 yards. It would be great to have a Joe Burrows but there is just the one so we will have to hope that our guy stapes up once he gets better coaching, protection and some guys to get open that can catch the ball. Please do not come back with Kenny Golladay. Its been a long day and I do not have the energy to explain why KG is not Jamar Chase. Kenny Golladay is a fraud. I would be tired too, if I had to carry the fairytale of Daniel Jones is a good quarterback.. Three years and we’re still kicking this can around. If we could find some decent WR I would cut KG this season and get the cap hit out of the way. He will likely be cut after next season. My hope is that DJ throws the TDs of year 1 and has the limited ints of year 3 next season. Hope is free and DJ has my support.
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 2, 2022 18:17:23 GMT -5
Kenny Golladay is a fraud. I would be tired too, if I had to carry the fairytale of Daniel Jones is a good quarterback.. Three years and we’re still kicking this can around. If we could find some decent WR I would cut KG this season and get the cap hit out of the way. He will likely be cut after next season. My hope is that DJ throws the TDs of year 1 and has the limited ints of year 3 next season. Hope is free and DJ has my support. Nothing in life is free.. even hope comes with a price..
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Post by kerryisdaman on Feb 2, 2022 18:28:09 GMT -5
If we could find some decent WR I would cut KG this season and get the cap hit out of the way. He will likely be cut after next season. My hope is that DJ throws the TDs of year 1 and has the limited ints of year 3 next season. Hope is free and DJ has my support. Nothing in life is free.. even hope comes with a price.. Few things in life are free but I enjoy free things every day. I'm cheap lol
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Post by Modog on Feb 2, 2022 22:29:58 GMT -5
Firstly, Daniel Jones needs to throw for for than 11 Tds a season before he can earn the nickname "Danny Dimes". Quite frankly he's closer to being "Danny Duds". Stop making him into something he isnt.
Secondly Josh Allen has a much better skill set than Daniel Jones. I dont think Daniel Jones will be anything close to Josh Allen. Daniel Jones ceiling is Alex Smith.
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Post by Sarcasman on Feb 2, 2022 22:47:34 GMT -5
yeah the Offensive Line being the Excuse for DJ is official DEAD considering the BEATING I seen Joe Burrow took this entire Playoffs Stafford Line is not all that better either, two Super Bowl teams with very Average Lines, I would say the Bengals Line is Below Average So Yeah I just think getting the ball out FASTER and using his mobility and excellent athleticism to make big plays down the Field instead of using his Athleticism for Designed Runs and getting him injured again... Josh Allen is a special talent with an incredible Arm so a lot of these things DJ just cannot do BUT he does match Allen in Athleticism I think The Bengals OL is definitely subpar, I think they rank around the lower outer edge of average. The Rams OL is very good. I think they're a top 10 OL, maybe top 5. They're were really good this season.
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Post by lasion2 on Feb 3, 2022 20:50:07 GMT -5
How much can Dabol and Schoen realistically “do” for DJ in one off season?
A couple rookie starters on OL. A mid round wr. A mid round TE. There’s just not a lot of help coming for him in 7 months. Install his third (?) different offense in 4 years.
For Jones to look like a bonafide franchise guy to us (the fans) the scheme and set up is going to have to be very, very good. In reality there may be a few more wins, maybe. The stats might be a touch better than his rookie year. But, we’re going to have to trust the long term decision to Dabol and Schoen as they’ll see the behind the scenes things that might not translate to the field next season. If it looks like he can progress into the vision of the team as a whole, then so shall it be. I think that’s very, very doubtful.
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Post by lasion2 on Feb 3, 2022 20:58:05 GMT -5
Is there a precedent for a guy that has played so-so at best for 3-4 years and then becoming a franchise qb?
Brees comes to mind, but I barely remember him on the chargers. Steve Young from Tampa to SF? I’m not as encyclopedic as some of you guys here. An example of a guy that did it without switching teams would be a nice kicker.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 3, 2022 21:26:35 GMT -5
How much can Dabol and Schoen realistically “do” for DJ in one off season? A couple rookie starters on OL. A mid round wr. A mid round TE. There’s just not a lot of help coming for him in 7 months. Install his third (?) different offense in 4 years. For Jones to look like a bonafide franchise guy to us (the fans) the scheme and set up is going to have to be very, very good. In reality there may be a few more wins, maybe. The stats might be a touch better than his rookie year. But, we’re going to have to trust the long term decision to Dabol and Schoen as they’ll see the behind the scenes things that might not translate to the field next season. If it looks like he can progress into the vision of the team as a whole, then so shall it be. I think that’s very, very doubtful. TBH just getting the line to functional is a huge step.... This is the one thing they can do and actually pretty easy where they are drafting... A low level FA like Laken Tomlinson gives the guard spot a decent starter as a potential stop gap or push Lemieux and Bredeson .. I expect at least 3 new starters..(reasonable 2 high picks and said mid level FA at guard ) I also expect a guy like Issah McKenzie or even Pringle (now we have a Chiefs guy )that will be a budget improvement over Shepard after he is cut. Don't sleep on a mid round reciever also making an impact..especially if both Golladay and Toney are healthy and step up(mind you both of these players will improve just by having a staff that will design plays that fit their skillset... You don't really need much at WR ...Smith and draft pick (Ruckert?)..that's an improvement at TE...
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 3, 2022 21:27:42 GMT -5
Is there a precedent for a guy that has played so-so at best for 3-4 years and then becoming a franchise qb? Brees comes to mind, but I barely remember him on the chargers. Steve Young from Tampa to SF? I’m not as encyclopedic as some of you guys here. An example of a guy that did it without switching teams would be a nice kicker. Brees had a decent rookie year,was bad in his next 2 years thus the Eli/Rivers thing..stepped up a bit in year 4 and 5... then blew up on the Saints
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Post by bluebuddha on Feb 3, 2022 21:55:42 GMT -5
How much can Dabol and Schoen realistically “do” for DJ in one off season? A couple rookie starters on OL. A mid round wr. A mid round TE. There’s just not a lot of help coming for him in 7 months. Install his third (?) different offense in 4 years. For Jones to look like a bonafide franchise guy to us (the fans) the scheme and set up is going to have to be very, very good. In reality there may be a few more wins, maybe. The stats might be a touch better than his rookie year. But, we’re going to have to trust the long term decision to Dabol and Schoen as they’ll see the behind the scenes things that might not translate to the field next season. If it looks like he can progress into the vision of the team as a whole, then so shall it be. I think that’s very, very doubtful. TBH just getting the line to functional is a huge step.... This is the one thing they can do and actually pretty easy where they are drafting... A low level FA like Laken Tomlinson gives the guard spot a decent starter as a potential stop gap or push Lemieux and Bredeson .. I expect at least 3 new starters..(reasonable 2 high picks and said mid level FA at guard ) I also expect a guy like Issah McKenzie or even Pringle (now we have a Chiefs guy )that will be a budget improvement over Shepard after he is cut. Don't sleep on a mid round reciever also making an impact..especially if both Golladay and Toney are healthy and step up(mind you both of these players will improve just by having a staff that will design plays that fit their skillset... You don't really need much at WR ...Smith and draft pick (Ruckert?)..that's an improvement at TE... Is he low level? I always had him as one of the better guards in the NFL. I think he will be one of the top FA this season. I don't think he has misses any games either.
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Post by vinnie on Feb 3, 2022 22:07:40 GMT -5
KC had all first time starters this year and had a top O line. The Chargers went from having one of of the worst O lines to one of the best over the course of two seasons. It can be done, especially with the draft picks we have.
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Post by Nite on Feb 3, 2022 22:08:35 GMT -5
A) Trade him for picks
B) Release him
C) Make him the assistant waterboy
D) Become the coffee bitch to the QB coach
E) Learn Armenian
F) Being able to drink water and tie his shoes at the same time
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Post by Nite on Feb 3, 2022 22:11:09 GMT -5
KC had all first time starters this year and had a top O line. The Chargers went from having one of of the worst O lines to one of the best over the course of two seasons. It can be done, especially with the draft picks we have. Holy shit man thats sacrilege. Don't you know it takes years, perhaps decades to turn a team around?
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 3, 2022 22:23:18 GMT -5
TBH just getting the line to functional is a huge step.... This is the one thing they can do and actually pretty easy where they are drafting... A low level FA like Laken Tomlinson gives the guard spot a decent starter as a potential stop gap or push Lemieux and Bredeson .. I expect at least 3 new starters..(reasonable 2 high picks and said mid level FA at guard ) I also expect a guy like Issah McKenzie or even Pringle (now we have a Chiefs guy )that will be a budget improvement over Shepard after he is cut. Don't sleep on a mid round reciever also making an impact..especially if both Golladay and Toney are healthy and step up(mind you both of these players will improve just by having a staff that will design plays that fit their skillset... You don't really need much at WR ...Smith and draft pick (Ruckert?)..that's an improvement at TE... Is he low level? I always had him as one of the better guards in the NFL. I think he will be one of the top FA this season. I don't think he has misses any games either. I mean it seems he is a bit of a journeyman....I think 3 teams so far? He is a decent starter which would be a big upgrade for us ..
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Post by ocgiant on Feb 3, 2022 22:56:10 GMT -5
To me, he's playing next year to be a decent back up at this point especially with economic crisis with the team
After 3 years to still have question marks about DJ means, we need a new QB in 2023
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Post by lasion2 on Feb 4, 2022 6:42:37 GMT -5
KC had all first time starters this year and had a top O line. The Chargers went from having one of of the worst O lines to one of the best over the course of two seasons. It can be done, especially with the draft picks we have. Holy shit man thats sacrilege. Don't you know it takes years, perhaps decades to turn a team around? I might just be shell shocked. I don’t wake up a negative nelly.
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Post by giantsalmon on Feb 4, 2022 8:39:25 GMT -5
Is there a precedent for a guy that has played so-so at best for 3-4 years and then becoming a franchise qb? Brees comes to mind, but I barely remember him on the chargers. Steve Young from Tampa to SF? I’m not as encyclopedic as some of you guys here. An example of a guy that did it without switching teams would be a nice kicker. Phil Simms struggled his first few years and was even benched by Parcells at one point. He came in with a much slighter build but also had a heart of a lion and was oft injured standing in the pocket. He transformed his body and the roster around him improved. He regained his confidence and Parcells regained his in him as well. He is absolutely a huge part of two of the trophies in the case.
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Post by mj312 on Feb 4, 2022 14:55:07 GMT -5
Even better imagine Burrow was playing with our line and receivers in our last 6 games. He would have loved that so much more than having Jamar Chase, Higgins and Boyd. Am I right? Remember how OBJ looked with bad QB play? WR's are impacted by production at the QB position, tremendously. I think Golloday is a much better WR than DJ is a QB. The limit to our offensive potential is Daniel Jones, not out OL. I’m not a big defender of Jones but I have to disagree with this . I think Jones lack of production is more to do with our receivers lack of talent than anything else .. they are ok possession receivers but that’s about it .. Golliday did absolutely nothing at all this year .. even the last game of the season Jones hit him right in the hands for a big play and he dropped it .. if one of our guys caught the ball and the whole defense fell down they still wouldn’t score .. I think if Jones had better receivers he would be a much different player .. he tries to do to much , because he has to ..
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Post by kerryisdaman on Feb 4, 2022 15:13:17 GMT -5
KC had all first time starters this year and had a top O line. The Chargers went from having one of of the worst O lines to one of the best over the course of two seasons. It can be done, especially with the draft picks we have. I thought KC traded for some guys. I know some team did lol. Maybe it was SD.
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Post by vinnie on Feb 4, 2022 15:27:51 GMT -5
KC had all first time starters this year and had a top O line. The Chargers went from having one of of the worst O lines to one of the best over the course of two seasons. It can be done, especially with the draft picks we have. I thought KC traded for some guys. I know some team did lol. Maybe it was SD. They may have, I know they had at least two rookies in Humphries and Smith. Not sure if the guys they traded for were starters on other teams or if they were all starting together for the first time. *Just found this little nugget, goes into much more detail. Regardless, a top O line can be rebuilt in a year. This “it takes years to build an O line” was just a convenient excuse for any Reese and DG supporters. www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article257170697.html
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Post by nyg2 on Feb 4, 2022 15:56:28 GMT -5
A) Trade him for picks B) Release him C) Make him the assistant waterboy D) Become the coffee bitch to the QB coach E) Learn Armenian F) Being able to drink water and tie his shoes at the same time Don't hold back now, tell us how you really feel.
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Post by GameTime on Feb 4, 2022 16:08:14 GMT -5
its going to be real simple for Jones.
he needs to stay healthy and improve significantly or he's gone.
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Post by thetruth on Feb 4, 2022 16:16:33 GMT -5
Remember how OBJ looked with bad QB play? WR's are impacted by production at the QB position, tremendously. I think Golloday is a much better WR than DJ is a QB. The limit to our offensive potential is Daniel Jones, not out OL. I’m not a big defender of Jones but I have to disagree with this . I think Jones lack of production is more to do with our receivers lack of talent than anything else .. they are ok possession receivers but that’s about it .. Golliday did absolutely nothing at all this year .. even the last game of the season Jones hit him right in the hands for a big play and he dropped it .. if one of our guys caught the ball and the whole defense fell down they still wouldn’t score .. I think if Jones had better receivers he would be a much different player .. he tries to do to much , because he has to .. Gollodays production elsewhere tells you otherwise. Daniel Jones doesn't throw with anticipation, a "see it open and then throw it" kind of QB. Jones has literally never produced. Not even at Duke. He's also been a one-read QB who struggles with processing. I know this is the minority take now. But so was Eli being done in 2017, Gettlemen being a terrible GM prospect, Saquon being a terrible choice ay #2, etc. But, if im wrong, ill actually be stoked. If Danny works out we're in great shape. Problem? thats a stretch. Fans are so emotionally invested in Daniel they cant see the big flaws, in key area. Only want to make excuses. We did the same with end-of-career Eli. Not to many successful QB's in this league that struggle with post snap processing.
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Post by Roswell on Feb 4, 2022 16:28:39 GMT -5
The AFC is gonna see some great football for a lot of years. Mahomes, Allen, Burrow damn. Looks liks Rodgers as well in Denver Rodgers supposedly just bought property in Tenn. Just sayin...
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Post by kerryisdaman on Feb 4, 2022 16:40:29 GMT -5
DJ had the highest QB rating on the team. That is not a surprise. DJ may have had the best catch of the season. That is a surprise. DJ had the second highest blocker score on the team.....What? How did that happen?
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Post by kerryisdaman on Feb 4, 2022 16:44:08 GMT -5
I thought KC traded for some guys. I know some team did lol. Maybe it was SD. They may have, I know they had at least two rookies in Humphries and Smith. Not sure if the guys they traded for were starters on other teams or if they were all starting together for the first time. *Just found this little nugget, goes into much more detail. Regardless, a top O line can be rebuilt in a year. This “it takes years to build an O line” was just a convenient excuse for any Reese and DG supporters. www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/article257170697.htmlTypically lines can be rebuilt in 2 years but it is harder in the cap era and you cant make many mistakes nor have injuries.
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Post by Nite on Feb 4, 2022 17:59:43 GMT -5
A) Trade him for picks B) Release him C) Make him the assistant waterboy D) Become the coffee bitch to the QB coach E) Learn Armenian F) Being able to drink water and tie his shoes at the same time Don't hold back now, tell us how you really feel. Ok now.... He could also become: -assistant gardener for the turf at Met Life Stadium -participate in the rb's room providing helpful hints and tips on running technique -assistant corporate liaison for community outreach in various local communities (I think thats Eli's job now) -Sing in the Giants alumni glee club -Direct ppl to the canoli tray during game day.. There may be more but I can't remember (this far in December)
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Post by nygiantsfan1029 on Feb 7, 2022 12:12:42 GMT -5
To be brutally honest I don’t think it really matters. Unless Jones comes in and completely blows us away I don’t see him being here next year. I think he is just here because we don’t have better options and he’ll just hopefully get us through this year
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