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Post by Roswell on Feb 4, 2022 11:36:24 GMT -5
The biggest problem is that the players on the field were bad. The team we were fielding by the end of the year couldn't beat anyone, and I doubt any scheme changes would have made a difference. What is the need to find the biggest problem? Who cares at this point? The FA signings were bad. Drafts were bad. Cap management, bad. Coaching, bad. Playcalling, bad. Players, bad. Team health, bad. Quite literally this team was bad at every conceivable facet of being a football team. At that point there is no "biggest" problem. This is the truth. Every word of it.
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Post by McCherry on Feb 4, 2022 11:37:06 GMT -5
How many teams have brought Garrett in to interview for their OC? Garrett was absolutely the problem. Garrett was a problem but not the problem. The issue with the Giants is there were so many problems there really isn't anything that could confidently be labeled as "the problem". The Giants 31st ranked offense in 2020, 2021 was absolutely the problem by far.
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Post by jmike on Feb 4, 2022 11:52:54 GMT -5
Garrett was a problem but not the problem. The issue with the Giants is there were so many problems there really isn't anything that could confidently be labeled as "the problem". The Giants 31st ranked offense in 2020, 2021 was absolutely the problem by far. Whatever
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Feb 4, 2022 14:25:33 GMT -5
Did Kafka sign ever because Bienemie is interviewing with the Saints if he is not signed he may consider going back to KC.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Feb 4, 2022 22:18:00 GMT -5
Our offense was ranked 32nd in nearly every offensive category. It literally can’t get any worse. Sucks that that is the bar we are setting. "Couldn't get any worse". How about let's be competent on offense? Seems like a good starting point.
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Post by Jomo on Feb 6, 2022 10:16:02 GMT -5
"Experienced guy" = Jason Garrett No worries... true but i think we saw after he was let go. It wasnt him... it was the first time HC. No argument with that. Just trying to make a point that "experience" should not be at the top of the list of qualities we are looking for in an OC. Experience with what outcome? Garrett didn't do much at Dallas as OC. He was not known as a great innovator.
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Post by giantsalmon on Feb 6, 2022 11:08:13 GMT -5
Has Kafka signed a contract yet?
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 6, 2022 11:17:47 GMT -5
keeping Jones without a contingency plan for the future is just wasting another year.
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 6, 2022 11:20:25 GMT -5
at some point the league will run out of coaches from the Bill Walsh coaching tree, then what?
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 6, 2022 11:30:09 GMT -5
true but i think we saw after he was let go. It wasnt him... it was the first time HC. No argument with that. Just trying to make a point that "experience" should not be at the top of the list of qualities we are looking for in an OC. Experience with what outcome? Garrett didn't do much at Dallas as OC. He was not known as a great innovator. There seems to be a rumor around here that Garrett is a moron. Granted, his offenses were as bland as vanilla ice cream, and the only creativity he had was running a slant. But, fans forget when he was OC in Dallas, they had some prolific offenses. His first year in Dallas they were only surpassed by the Patriots, who put up video game numbers.
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Post by giantsalmon on Feb 6, 2022 11:32:27 GMT -5
keeping Jones without a contingency plan for the future is just wasting another year. I'm one who believes Jones can prosper with stability in coaching and a better O line. That said I'm certain NYG will draft a QB after round 1. Not a lot of early QB prospects in this draft but a bunch who may be worthy of developing from middle rounds. Wouldn't take much to improve on the back ups from last season. Either way I want a back up who can run the same offense.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 6, 2022 13:01:01 GMT -5
keeping Jones without a contingency plan for the future is just wasting another year. What exactly are your expectations this year? Jones with a Trubisky or Tyrod Taylor should be good enough to get through the year and be competitive
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Post by scoostraw on Feb 6, 2022 13:30:01 GMT -5
I like it. Another guy coming from a recently successful organization. You mean like Ben McAdoo?
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Post by GameTime on Feb 6, 2022 13:45:52 GMT -5
I like it. Another guy coming from a recently successful organization. You mean like Ben McAdoo? no one is saying its slam dunk but would rather a coach from an unsuccessful org? lol
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Post by scoostraw on Feb 6, 2022 14:02:00 GMT -5
I'm just always wary of the thinking that assumes the coach of a generational player (like Mahomes, Rodgers) is a genius.
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Post by SG88 on Feb 6, 2022 14:16:20 GMT -5
I like it. Another guy coming from a recently successful organization. You mean like Ben McAdoo? I will bite. McAdoo was actually a good OC for NYG.
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Post by scoostraw on Feb 6, 2022 14:24:47 GMT -5
For one year he seemed to be. I agree.
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Post by giantlegacy on Feb 6, 2022 14:28:31 GMT -5
You mean like Ben McAdoo? I will bite. McAdoo was actually a good OC for NYG. Both his years under Coughlin...
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Post by snyder55 on Feb 6, 2022 15:54:37 GMT -5
keeping Jones without a contingency plan for the future is just wasting another year. What exactly are your expectations this year? Jones with a Trubisky or Tyrod Taylor should be good enough to get through the year and be competitive I like both choices and I think we might be able to win with either and they might even be able to beat out Jones for the starting job...
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Post by Kruunch on Feb 6, 2022 18:22:04 GMT -5
What exactly are your expectations this year? Jones with a Trubisky or Tyrod Taylor should be good enough to get through the year and be competitive I like both choices and I think we might be able to win with either and they might even be able to beat out Jones for the starting job... Adequate quarterbacks in this league get paid, regardless if they’re backups. You go cheap, and you find yourself at the thrift store picking Mike Glennon up, right next to the erasers.
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Post by FundamentallySoundJones on Feb 7, 2022 11:17:12 GMT -5
Has Kafka signed a contract yet? ueah whats going on? Not official yet? Could we lose him?
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Post by giantsfanjames on Feb 7, 2022 11:25:10 GMT -5
Has Kafka signed a contract yet? ueah whats going on? Not official yet? Could we lose him? NFL Network's Mike Garafolo was the first to report the news. The Giants' deal with Kafka is now official with the two sides having worked out the terms of an agreement, and according to his representation, Priority Sports, he has signed his contract.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Feb 8, 2022 21:30:34 GMT -5
ueah whats going on? Not official yet? Could we lose him? NFL Network's Mike Garafolo was the first to report the news. The Giants' deal with Kafka is now official with the two sides having worked out the terms of an agreement, and according to his representation, Priority Sports, he has signed his contract.
Hallelujah ! I wasn't sure we signed this guy or not. OK both OC and DC signed and in the fold. Good don't know Kafka but hopefully working 5 years in the KC offense he can bring some competent play. Wink on defense was not my first choice but with that said I'm glad we signed him. Nobody else I wanted was comng. Wink was my 3rd choice of the names I seen mentioned. He is competent and can excel. Plus experienced as anyone. He has been very successful in his career.
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Post by Speedman on Feb 8, 2022 21:51:27 GMT -5
ueah whats going on? Not official yet? Could we lose him? NFL Network's Mike Garafolo was the first to report the news. The Giants' deal with Kafka is now official with the two sides having worked out the terms of an agreement, and according to his representation, Priority Sports, he has signed his contract.
That article is dated February 3rd. I still haven’t seen where the Giants made it official.
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Post by giantsfanjames on Feb 8, 2022 22:24:26 GMT -5
NFL Network's Mike Garafolo was the first to report the news. The Giants' deal with Kafka is now official with the two sides having worked out the terms of an agreement, and according to his representation, Priority Sports, he has signed his contract.
That article is dated February 3rd. I still haven’t seen where the Giants made it official. according to his representation, Priority Sports, he has signed his contract. I dont know why his agent would say the contract is signed if its not/ I'm not going to worry till I have to worry about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2022 16:18:50 GMT -5
Kafka not sold on any cornerbacks or safeties….suggests OL …comes.from my impeccable sauces.
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Post by jaymas on Feb 9, 2022 16:47:42 GMT -5
I'm just always wary of the thinking that assumes the coach of a generational player (like Mahomes, Rodgers) is a genius. Would they become generational players with shitty coaching though? Probably not. Heck in the case of Mahomes, as a raw prospect, bad coaching may have set him on a very different path. Some of these guys may not reach the same heights either and just become good. There is a lot that goes into it.
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Post by Nite on Feb 10, 2022 10:09:09 GMT -5
I've read a few of his books, wasn't that impressed...
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Post by straightrazorman on Feb 10, 2022 10:22:54 GMT -5
I've read a few of his books, wasn't that impressed... This post should be moved to the"please don't be true" thread.
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Post by jmike on Feb 10, 2022 10:36:38 GMT -5
I've read a few of his books, wasn't that impressed... This post should be moved to the"please don't be true" thread. LOL
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