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Post by cdngfan on Aug 29, 2022 10:17:20 GMT -5
You’re not seeing a talented QB (in NFL terms).
You’re seeing a very very smart player who is really comfortable with where to put the ball post snap because he knows this system really well. .
You put Webb in a different system, or put him up against a talented starting NFL defence and he won’t look like this.
I’m thrilled we have him because TT isn’t Ironman, but Webb has been essentially living on practice squads his entire career for a reason.
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Post by Nite on Aug 29, 2022 10:22:10 GMT -5
Its possible he could develop into a capable backup. He certainly looks better than the scrubs we had last year.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 29, 2022 11:21:16 GMT -5
Its possible he could develop into a capable backup. He certainly looks better than the scrubs we had last year. I think thats what he is. Playing very well in a system he knows well. A game manger at worst. Certainly better at spot starting than Fromm or Glennon. Both those 2 looked awful in preseason along with their spot starts. Webb doesnt.
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Post by myronguyton29 on Aug 29, 2022 11:38:22 GMT -5
You’re not seeing a talented QB (in NFL terms). You’re seeing a very very smart player who is really comfortable with where to put the ball post snap because he knows this system really well. . You put Webb in a different system, or put him up against a talented starting NFL defence and he won’t look like this. I’m thrilled we have him because TT isn’t Ironman, but Webb has been essentially living on practice squads his entire career for a reason. well he might just be fine for what we need him for as #2 or #3
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Post by miggs on Aug 29, 2022 12:08:26 GMT -5
In Jones and Webb, the Giants have two good starting NFL QBs. Have stated that elsewhere as well.
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Post by katcavage75 on Aug 29, 2022 12:40:29 GMT -5
You’re not seeing a talented QB (in NFL terms). You’re seeing a very very smart player who is really comfortable with where to put the ball post snap because he knows this system really well. . You put Webb in a different system, or put him up against a talented starting NFL defence and he won’t look like this. I’m thrilled we have him because TT isn’t Ironman, but Webb has been essentially living on practice squads his entire career for a reason. I think the coaching staff wants Webb in the QB room. But can the roster afford a 3rd QB at the expense of other positional needs? If he doesn't make Tuesday's 53, how can they protect him for the PS without him being poached by another team in the following 24 hours? I can't figure that out. Thanks in advance for any enlightenment.
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Post by cdngfan on Aug 29, 2022 12:54:22 GMT -5
You’re not seeing a talented QB (in NFL terms). You’re seeing a very very smart player who is really comfortable with where to put the ball post snap because he knows this system really well. . You put Webb in a different system, or put him up against a talented starting NFL defence and he won’t look like this. I’m thrilled we have him because TT isn’t Ironman, but Webb has been essentially living on practice squads his entire career for a reason. I think the coaching staff wants Webb in the QB room. But can the roster afford a 3rd QB at the expense of other positional needs? If he doesn't make Tuesday's 53, how can they protect him for the PS without him being poached by another team in the following 24 hours? I can't figure that out. Thanks in advance for any enlightenment. I think there’s an understanding that a lot of Webb’s performance is his familiarity with this system, not his upside/skills as a QB. He’s basically lived on practice rosters his entire career. So he’s a great 3 for us, but that doesn’t mean he’s any better than any other 3rd option in a new system. Most teams carrying a 3rd QB have a young draft choice in there that they’re hoping to develop. . The idea that a team would make room on their 53 for a QB who seems to be better in this system than they are as a generic QB appears unlikely. Now, if TT is more hurt than they realized then this is a moot discussion. He’ll be on our 53.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 29, 2022 13:00:32 GMT -5
I think the coaching staff wants Webb in the QB room. But can the roster afford a 3rd QB at the expense of other positional needs? If he doesn't make Tuesday's 53, how can they protect him for the PS without him being poached by another team in the following 24 hours? I can't figure that out. Thanks in advance for any enlightenment. I think there’s an understanding that a lot of Webb’s performance is his familiarity with this system, not his upside/skills as a QB. He’s basically lived on practice rosters his entire career. So he’s a great 3 for us, but that doesn’t mean he’s any better than any other 3rd option in a new system. Most teams carrying a 3rd QB have a young draft choice in there that they’re hoping to develop. . The idea that a team would make room on their 53 for a QB who seems to be better in this system than they are as a generic QB appears unlikely. Now, if TT is more hurt than they realized then this is a moot discussion. He’ll be on our 53. I thought he looked better than Tyrod Taylor who also know the system well.
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Post by allnygin on Aug 29, 2022 13:07:25 GMT -5
All I know is webb looked in complete control of the offense, he looked like a competent backup, but its really hard to gage on just two games, bc his sample size before was really bad. Look he had one hell of a preseason and out performed Tyrod, but I don't trust him as a number 2 yet esp against starting caliber players, that said - kudos to him for stepping up and looking really good this preseason. He would have to prove more for me to trust him as a number 2.
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Post by miggs on Aug 29, 2022 13:21:54 GMT -5
Don't think Taylor a better QB than Webb. More elusive yes, but Webb far better by every other metric.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 29, 2022 15:15:25 GMT -5
Don't think Taylor a better QB than Webb. More elusive yes, but Webb far better in every other metric. LOL, He might be better long term but right now, he's got no metrics.
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Post by cdngfan on Aug 29, 2022 15:26:56 GMT -5
I think there’s an understanding that a lot of Webb’s performance is his familiarity with this system, not his upside/skills as a QB. He’s basically lived on practice rosters his entire career. So he’s a great 3 for us, but that doesn’t mean he’s any better than any other 3rd option in a new system. Most teams carrying a 3rd QB have a young draft choice in there that they’re hoping to develop. . The idea that a team would make room on their 53 for a QB who seems to be better in this system than they are as a generic QB appears unlikely. Now, if TT is more hurt than they realized then this is a moot discussion. He’ll be on our 53. I thought he looked better than Tyrod Taylor who also know the system well. He absolutely has. I don’t know how you could objectively see it differently. Whether a larger sample size of reps against a 1st team defence would yield the same results is unknown, but Webb looks way better right now.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Aug 29, 2022 15:57:59 GMT -5
I thought he looked better than Tyrod Taylor who also know the system well. He absolutely has. I don’t know how you could objectively see it differently. Whether a larger sample size of reps against a 1st team defence would yield the same results is unknown, but Webb looks way better right now. I don't think Taylor played against defensive 1s either though
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Post by Bigjeep on Aug 29, 2022 20:27:45 GMT -5
Webb was the best QB in training camp and preseason! Far better than TT and Jones! No one can argue that!
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Post by Martin on Aug 29, 2022 20:35:16 GMT -5
Webb was the best QB in training camp and preseason! Far better than TT and Jones! No one can argue that! Yes without a doubt. Webb likes this offense and is very comfortable in it. I think Dabol has to look very closely at this one in regards to TT and Webb. Its not a slam dunk for TT.
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Post by giantsalmon on Aug 29, 2022 20:37:25 GMT -5
It is my understanding that Webb came over with Daboll/Schoen because they agreed to give him a shot to compete for the back up job. Even if he's out performing TT because he knows the offense better, who cares? The mental aspect of QB is huge, knowing where to go with the ball pre snap and possessing a rifle of an arm to do it sounds like a heck of a number 2. Tyrod has been knocked around, perhaps now a little bit of happy feet. Not only was he out played but it didnt look like he exuded confidence, which is very important when being needed on short notice in a game.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 29, 2022 20:56:08 GMT -5
It is my understanding that Webb came over with Daboll/Schoen because they agreed to give him a shot to compete for the back up job. Even if he's out performing TT because he knows the offense better, who cares? The mental aspect of QB is huge, knowing where to go with the ball pre snap and possessing a rifle of an arm to do it sounds like a heck of a number 2. Tyrod has been knocked around, perhaps now a little bit of happy feet. Not only was he out played but it didnt look like he exuded confidence, which is very important when being needed on short notice in a game. Webb spoke about adding movement to his arsenal from playing with Allen, which we've definitely seen this preseason.
Davis looks like a capable back-up with his arm, brains, vision and mobility. He's earned a roster spot as far as I'm concerned.
For my money the main difference between Tyrod and Davis is experience vs the arm, but Davis knows this system.
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Post by Jomo on Aug 29, 2022 21:17:06 GMT -5
It is my understanding that Webb came over with Daboll/Schoen because they agreed to give him a shot to compete for the back up job. Even if he's out performing TT because he knows the offense better, who cares? The mental aspect of QB is huge, knowing where to go with the ball pre snap and possessing a rifle of an arm to do it sounds like a heck of a number 2. Tyrod has been knocked around, perhaps now a little bit of happy feet. Not only was he out played but it didnt look like he exuded confidence, which is very important when being needed on short notice in a game. Webb spoke about adding movement to his arsenal from playing with Allen, which we've definitely seen this preseason.
Davis looks like a capable back-up with his arm, brains, vision and mobility. He's earned a roster spot as far as I'm concerned.
For my money the main difference between Tyrod and Davis is experience vs the arm, but Davis knows this system.
I would pay up for a backup QB if I was with a contending team and the backup was more capable of holding down the fort for a few games if the starter gets dinged up. None of that applies here. TT is not a future starter and Webb saves us a bunch of cap space. Feels like a no brainer even if TT is marginally better overall.
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Post by Roosevelt on Aug 29, 2022 21:25:42 GMT -5
Webb spoke about adding movement to his arsenal from playing with Allen, which we've definitely seen this preseason.
Davis looks like a capable back-up with his arm, brains, vision and mobility. He's earned a roster spot as far as I'm concerned.
For my money the main difference between Tyrod and Davis is experience vs the arm, but Davis knows this system.
I would pay up for a backup QB if I was with a contending team and the backup was more capable of holding down the fort for a few games if the starter gets dinged up. None of that applies here. TT is not a future starter and Webb saves us a bunch of cap space. Feels like a no brainer even if TT is marginally better overall.
Not that I disagree but why do you think Schoen brought TT in then?
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Post by bavarobeast on Aug 29, 2022 22:17:00 GMT -5
I’m still bewildered how anyone can the TT is a better QB than Webb.
Pure garbage.
I have seen absolutely nothing out of Taylor that impresses me other than his running ability.
Webb is very effective in the current offense - he looks comfortable and makes the right decisions and looks like a solid backup.
Taylor should be playing in the USFL.
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Post by Martin on Aug 29, 2022 22:48:34 GMT -5
Webb spoke about adding movement to his arsenal from playing with Allen, which we've definitely seen this preseason.
Davis looks like a capable back-up with his arm, brains, vision and mobility. He's earned a roster spot as far as I'm concerned.
For my money the main difference between Tyrod and Davis is experience vs the arm, but Davis knows this system.
I would pay up for a backup QB if I was with a contending team and the backup was more capable of holding down the fort for a few games if the starter gets dinged up. None of that applies here. TT is not a future starter and Webb saves us a bunch of cap space. Feels like a no brainer even if TT is marginally better overall. I'm with you on this buddy. I think Dabol brought in TT and Webb to see where the competition would end up. This also included Jones which no one was sure what DJ was gonna do as well. But Webb can easily hold down the 2nd spot considering the Giants won't be a contender. Or extremely unlikely. Like you say why pay the money.
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Post by Sarcasman on Aug 29, 2022 23:06:40 GMT -5
I like Taylor, I think he's a good QB.
I've got nothing against Webb, beat out Taylor if you can but Taylor is a winning QB in this league.
I think that experience matters and I don't think the #2 QB job is in play.
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Post by thetruth on Aug 30, 2022 3:27:23 GMT -5
No.
Teams aren’t showing much in the preseason. Teams want to see what they have but not what they’ll actually be running in the regular season
Defences are mostly vanilla, easier to decipher for QBs.
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Post by mendy on Aug 30, 2022 8:53:58 GMT -5
Do I think Webb is better then TT, yes, in this Offense I do. This doesn't mean I think TT is a bad QB but judging from the preseason and that only I would go with Webb.
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Post by Blue Hulk on Aug 30, 2022 9:15:37 GMT -5
Tyrod Taylor stays hurt. We need 3 QB's
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Post by GameTime on Aug 30, 2022 9:28:44 GMT -5
Tyrod Taylor stays hurt. We need 3 QB's Webb cut
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 30, 2022 9:29:11 GMT -5
Tyrod Taylor stays hurt. We need 3 QB's I have the feeling that we will all be glad we have Tyrod Taylor at some point this season....
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Post by GameTime on Aug 30, 2022 9:30:00 GMT -5
Tyrod Taylor stays hurt. We need 3 QB's I have the feeling that we will all be glad we have Tyrod Taylor at some point this season.... I seriously hope not.
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Post by snyder55 on Aug 30, 2022 9:32:05 GMT -5
I have the feeling that we will all be glad we have Tyrod Taylor at some point this season.... I seriously hope not. i understand your feelings but I just don't see Jones as the savior at QB for this team, I hope I'm wrong about this so we can move on from the QB discussions...
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Post by GameTime on Aug 30, 2022 9:34:14 GMT -5
i understand your feelings but I just don't see Jones as the savior at QB for this team, I hope I'm wrong about this so we can move on from the QB discussions... I am very skeptical of Jones as well but of course want to see him succeed. I give a 25% chance of improving enough to get tagged next season and then franchised. There will always be a QB discussion. Whether Jones or whom ever.
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