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Post by cdngfan on Sept 2, 2022 10:56:47 GMT -5
It is an interesting article which could leave fans misaligned with Schoen. If DJ has a strong year, Schoen still might choose NOT to re-sign him. Why? Schoen will have to pay more for Jones than he would for a first round QB pick thus squeezing his options in FA next year. He also gets another year's pass in rebuilding the team because, after all, we've got a rookie QB. Schoen is probably too smart to get caught in this trap, but it is a plausible scenario especially if DJ turns out to be a tweener. We as fans over-simplify this discussion. Your post is elevated to the kind of things Schoen will consider. It’s not a “if this then that” decision. He’ll be looking at 10 things to make his decision.
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Post by Jomo on Sept 2, 2022 10:59:00 GMT -5
It is an interesting article which could leave fans misaligned with Schoen. If DJ has a strong year, Schoen still might choose NOT to re-sign him. Why? Schoen will have to pay more for Jones than he would for a first round QB pick thus squeezing his options in FA next year. He also gets another year's pass in rebuilding the team because, after all, we've got a rookie QB. Schoen is probably too smart to get caught in this trap, but it is a plausible scenario especially if DJ turns out to be a tweener. I can agree with only if DJ has a good year and the still dont think he can be a franchise QB. if they are convinced he can be a franchise QB they will not toss him aside because of money. Its so hard to get/develop a franchise QB. I agree with that. It is an interesting dilemma though because a QB is neither great, terrible or in the middle. It is almost always in the gray even with franchise QBs. Look at Phil Simms. Early in his career he was considered "injury prone" until he became an iron man. Even then, he wasn't the kind of guy who put a team on his back. What he did over time was, he took the mistakes out of his game. Only then did he start to make plays....and become a borderline HOF QB. So all of this is a way of saying, if we had Simms now in year 4 or 5, would we re-sign him with the limited info we had at that time or go out and spend a #1 on the "maybe next guy?"
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 2, 2022 11:03:18 GMT -5
well....I am prbably wrong because he thought Eli till had gas left in the tank and that, to me, is why he really picked Barkley. Just saying if was going to draft a QB that year I am thinking Darnold and not Allen. In retrospect many GMs would have. I never believed Getty when he said Eli had gas in the tank. I always thought his hog mollie comments and Barkley draft mean he was going to try and turn the giants into a running team and Eli into a game manager. He couldn’t say “Eli can’t lead a team with his arm anymore”. Outdated football strategy. Yep An ownership that was stuck in the past wanted to be reactionary to Reese's "basketball on grass" theory (which he was 100% correct because the league has indeed turned into this )hires a prehistoric dinosaur stuck in the past and tries to build a team to compete in 1979....
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 2, 2022 11:04:31 GMT -5
It is an interesting article which could leave fans misaligned with Schoen. If DJ has a strong year, Schoen still might choose NOT to re-sign him. Why? Schoen will have to pay more for Jones than he would for a first round QB pick thus squeezing his options in FA next year. He also gets another year's pass in rebuilding the team because, after all, we've got a rookie QB. Schoen is probably too smart to get caught in this trap, but it is a plausible scenario especially if DJ turns out to be a tweener. If he is a tweener and our record puts us in a spot for one of the qbs the answer is there
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Post by Nite on Sept 2, 2022 11:15:45 GMT -5
It is an interesting article which could leave fans misaligned with Schoen. If DJ has a strong year, Schoen still might choose NOT to re-sign him. Why? Schoen will have to pay more for Jones than he would for a first round QB pick thus squeezing his options in FA next year. He also gets another year's pass in rebuilding the team because, after all, we've got a rookie QB. Schoen is probably too smart to get caught in this trap, but it is a plausible scenario especially if DJ turns out to be a tweener. He might franchise him for another year of wait and see. But thats if he balls out. Also it is being said the 2023 class of QBs is 'historic' well maybe but if he has options and DJ doesn't balls out then we move on... Then; The Davis Webb era begins
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Post by Jomo on Sept 2, 2022 11:24:37 GMT -5
It is an interesting article which could leave fans misaligned with Schoen. If DJ has a strong year, Schoen still might choose NOT to re-sign him. Why? Schoen will have to pay more for Jones than he would for a first round QB pick thus squeezing his options in FA next year. He also gets another year's pass in rebuilding the team because, after all, we've got a rookie QB. Schoen is probably too smart to get caught in this trap, but it is a plausible scenario especially if DJ turns out to be a tweener. If he is a tweener and our record puts us in a spot for one of the qbs the answer is there Yes a true tweener makes it a no brainer. As I said in a subsequent post. it's not always neat or clean. And we don't have George Young (grissled veteran GM) telling us that he'll do what he and only he thinks is best.....ie hanging in with Simms.
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Post by Roosevelt on Sept 2, 2022 11:28:15 GMT -5
No it won’t. The Vrabel era is not defined by having a top flight QB. “Joe Schoen talks about the importance of culture, and the kind of people you need to build the right one. You know who builds a culture in the NFL? A great quarterback.” What a f’ing moronic statement. Not dissing BigJeep, he didn’t write it, but I’m dumber for having read this.
Ian O'Connor.
Who days after we won the first super bowl (with Eli) wrote an article that we should all be thanking Tiki Barber for changing Tom Coughlin.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 2, 2022 12:31:37 GMT -5
I can agree with only if DJ has a good year and the still dont think he can be a franchise QB. if they are convinced he can be a franchise QB they will not toss him aside because of money. Its so hard to get/develop a franchise QB. I agree with that. It is an interesting dilemma though because a QB is neither great, terrible or in the middle. It is almost always in the gray even with franchise QBs. Look at Phil Simms. Early in his career he was considered "injury prone" until he became an iron man. Even then, he wasn't the kind of guy who put a team on his back. What he did over time was, he took the mistakes out of his game. Only then did he start to make plays....and become a borderline HOF QB. So all of this is a way of saying, if we had Simms now in year 4 or 5, would we re-sign him with the limited info we had at that time or go out and spend a #1 on the "maybe next guy?" it is interesting, Look at he Cards. They franchised Murray. I mean the kid can play but is he worth 200+mil with 160m guaranteed? Goes to show the risk some of these teams are willing to take.
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Post by cdngfan on Sept 2, 2022 12:48:47 GMT -5
No it won’t. The Vrabel era is not defined by having a top flight QB. “Joe Schoen talks about the importance of culture, and the kind of people you need to build the right one. You know who builds a culture in the NFL? A great quarterback.” What a f’ing moronic statement. Not dissing BigJeep, he didn’t write it, but I’m dumber for having read this.
Ian O'Connor.
Who days after we won the first super bowl (with Eli) wrote an article that we should all be thanking Tiki Barber for changing Tom Coughlin.
Barf.
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Post by McCherry on Sept 2, 2022 12:50:02 GMT -5
A top scout told Gettleman, Josh Allen….over Mayfield and obviously a running back. Well the Josh Allen over Barkley and a running back was as obvious as Rosen or Darnold over a running back in 2018. Another poster suggested Daniel Jones has a long leash and years and I disagreed ….for exactly this reason. They get their guy and that allows them to not only get another year, but it’s THEIR guy, and for THEIR system. This is a potential QB draft if many of this Junior signal callers excel as expected on Saturdays …. as long as the Giants have patience, these are the right people to have in charge. This year is a dead one, let’s all not go all crayon eating jarhead … and let’s just get the right QB next year, a QB with more talent than even Webb. Then watch as the right pieces are put in that match the system, and culture. my guess is that the NYGs, if they didnt pick Barkely would have taken Rosen or Darnold. I also feel that Schoen and Daboll are not totally hung up on getting "their" guy. If they can turn Jones they will have a hit home run and wont care at all abotu drafting"their" guy because Jones will become their guy. I agree with you that Jones does not have a long leash or years. He has this season to prove it or he's done here. With that said I think he plays well enough to stay the starter all season except for injury. I dont see him crashing and burning at all. Good QB's are too damn hard to find. Teams won't pass them because they didn't draft them.... Hell, Tanneyhill is someone's guy, because he finally proved he can play.
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Post by jb456 on Sept 2, 2022 13:22:25 GMT -5
A top scout told Gettleman, Josh Allen….over Mayfield and obviously a running back. Well the Josh Allen over Barkley and a running back was as obvious as Rosen or Darnold over a running back in 2018. Another poster suggested Daniel Jones has a long leash and years and I disagreed ….for exactly this reason. They get their guy and that allows them to not only get another year, but it’s THEIR guy, and for THEIR system. This is a potential QB draft if many of this Junior signal callers excel as expected on Saturdays …. as long as the Giants have patience, these are the right people to have in charge. This year is a dead one, let’s all not go all crayon eating jarhead … and let’s just get the right QB next year, a QB with more talent than even Webb. Then watch as the right pieces are put in that match the system, and culture. Ridiculous, how could Jones have a long leash if he wasn’t 5th year optioned? Who said that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 13:28:49 GMT -5
A top scout told Gettleman, Josh Allen….over Mayfield and obviously a running back. Well the Josh Allen over Barkley and a running back was as obvious as Rosen or Darnold over a running back in 2018. Another poster suggested Daniel Jones has a long leash and years and I disagreed ….for exactly this reason. They get their guy and that allows them to not only get another year, but it’s THEIR guy, and for THEIR system. This is a potential QB draft if many of this Junior signal callers excel as expected on Saturdays …. as long as the Giants have patience, these are the right people to have in charge. This year is a dead one, let’s all not go all crayon eating jarhead … and let’s just get the right QB next year, a QB with more talent than even Webb. Then watch as the right pieces are put in that match the system, and culture. Ridiculous, how could Jones have a long leash if he wasn’t 5th year optioned? Who said that? I spread no names, as snitches get stitches, and I need to keep my youthful 300 pound appearance ...and yeah, I did not have the time to debate it so I just shook my head and felt dumber for reading it. It was said, they will tag him .... Giants are either going to be wowed by Jones this year as he airs it out to wide open receivers everywhere, and fans all over saying "told you so"...or they will release him as he plays as he has, and draft a new QB...and fans all over will say "told you so".
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Post by vinnie on Sept 2, 2022 13:43:55 GMT -5
It is an interesting article which could leave fans misaligned with Schoen. If DJ has a strong year, Schoen still might choose NOT to re-sign him. Why? Schoen will have to pay more for Jones than he would for a first round QB pick thus squeezing his options in FA next year. He also gets another year's pass in rebuilding the team because, after all, we've got a rookie QB. Schoen is probably too smart to get caught in this trap, but it is a plausible scenario especially if DJ turns out to be a tweener. He might franchise him for another year of wait and see. But thats if he balls out. Also it is being said the 2023 class of QBs is 'historic' well maybe but if he has options and DJ doesn't balls out then we move on... Then; The Davis Webb era begins Oh my, you’re so naive but I understand, Shoen is the craftiest GM out there and has fooled a lot of people already. You clearly don’t know that the Davis Webb era has already begun, it started after his first pre season game. Schoen fooled every other GM out there and stashed him on the practice squad where he is secretly waiting to take over as the starting QB next year. Hell, Webb may not even know it yet. They’ll sign him to a 2-3 year back up contract and tell him he’s starting Game 1 of 2023. It makes perfect sense, why risk his health by putting him behind this O line as a starter or number one back up when he’s clearly the Giants future franchise QB? Next year we can trade back with one of those QB needy teams that has 2 first round picks and they’ll think we’re stoopid for passing on whatever QB they draft but little do they know that we’ve had our QB all along! This GM shit is really too easy. Schoen may think he’s slick but he didn’t fool these eyes. You read it here first.
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Post by leonperry on Sept 2, 2022 13:54:15 GMT -5
He might franchise him for another year of wait and see. But thats if he balls out. Also it is being said the 2023 class of QBs is 'historic' well maybe but if he has options and DJ doesn't balls out then we move on... Then; The Davis Webb era begins Oh my, you’re so naive but I understand, Shoen is the craftiest GM out there and has fooled a lot of people already. You clearly don’t know that the Davis Webb era has already begun, it started after his first pre season game. Schoen fooled every other GM out there and stashed him on the practice squad where he is secretly waiting to take over as the starting QB next year. Hell, Webb may not even know it yet. They’ll sign him to a 2-3 year back up contract and tell him he’s starting Game 1 of 2023. It makes perfect sense, why risk his health by putting him behind this O line as a starter or number one back up when he’s clearly the Giants future franchise QB? Next year we can trade back with one of those QB needy teams that has 2 first round picks and they’ll think we’re stoopid for passing on whatever QB they draft but little do they know that we’ve had our QB all along! This GM shit is really too easy. Schoen may think he’s slick but he didn’t fool these eyes. You read it here first. no one seems to be able to write good satire anymore, but here I stand corrected. There has to be an internal logic to it where the satire actually makes some sense rather than reflect reality, while being funny and poking fun at the satire's target just the same. We might need a lot of this entertaining satire to get through this year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 16:15:40 GMT -5
I agree with that. It is an interesting dilemma though because a QB is neither great, terrible or in the middle. It is almost always in the gray even with franchise QBs. Look at Phil Simms. Early in his career he was considered "injury prone" until he became an iron man. Even then, he wasn't the kind of guy who put a team on his back. What he did over time was, he took the mistakes out of his game. Only then did he start to make plays....and become a borderline HOF QB. So all of this is a way of saying, if we had Simms now in year 4 or 5, would we re-sign him with the limited info we had at that time or go out and spend a #1 on the "maybe next guy?" it is interesting, Look at he Cards. They franchised Murray. I mean the kid can play but is he worth 200+mil with 160m guaranteed? Goes to show the risk some of these teams are willing to take. He starts off like an MVP and then by year end you wonder why the Cards are even playing him
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Post by Bigjeep on Sept 2, 2022 16:30:06 GMT -5
It's going to be at least 3 or more years before the jury is out on our new management! Right now we are in the tear down phase before we can move forward! So yes, win totals are meaningless this year! If we can over achieve fine! But don't count on it! A few key injuries like we have seen already could mean a 2 to 4 game win season. But that would bring a high draft pick that is needed more than a few more meaningless wins at this stage of the rebuild! Time will tell! BTW - And yes, don't count Webb out just yet!
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 2, 2022 16:57:24 GMT -5
A top scout told Gettleman, Josh Allen….over Mayfield and obviously a running back. Well the Josh Allen over Barkley and a running back was as obvious as Rosen or Darnold over a running back in 2018. Another poster suggested Daniel Jones has a long leash and years and I disagreed ….for exactly this reason. They get their guy and that allows them to not only get another year, but it’s THEIR guy, and for THEIR system. This is a potential QB draft if many of this Junior signal callers excel as expected on Saturdays …. as long as the Giants have patience, these are the right people to have in charge. This year is a dead one, let’s all not go all crayon eating jarhead … and let’s just get the right QB next year, a QB with more talent than even Webb. Then watch as the right pieces are put in that match the system, and culture. my guess is that the NYGs, if they didnt pick Barkely would have taken Rosen or Darnold. I also feel that Schoen and Daboll are not totally hung up on getting "their" guy. If they can turn Jones they will have a hit home run and wont care at all abotu drafting"their" guy because Jones will become their guy. I agree with you that Jones does not have a long leash or years. He has this season to prove it or he's done here. With that said I think he plays well enough to stay the starter all season except for injury. I dont see him crashing and burning at all. Best and easiest thing for Joe and Dabes would be for DJ to work out. Then they would have the position filled with no risk. If they have to draft a QB there is a lot of risk. A lot do not make it.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 2, 2022 17:34:21 GMT -5
my guess is that the NYGs, if they didnt pick Barkely would have taken Rosen or Darnold. I also feel that Schoen and Daboll are not totally hung up on getting "their" guy. If they can turn Jones they will have a hit home run and wont care at all abotu drafting"their" guy because Jones will become their guy. I agree with you that Jones does not have a long leash or years. He has this season to prove it or he's done here. With that said I think he plays well enough to stay the starter all season except for injury. I dont see him crashing and burning at all. Best and easiest thing for Joe and Dabes would be for DJ to work out. Then they would have the position filled with no risk. If they have to draft a QB there is a lot of risk. A lot do not make it. exactly....that why I think the narrative of "they would want their guy" is totally overrated. You take a franchise QB anyway you cant get one.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 2, 2022 17:37:54 GMT -5
Best and easiest thing for Joe and Dabes would be for DJ to work out. Then they would have the position filled with no risk. If they have to draft a QB there is a lot of risk. A lot do not make it. exactly....that why I think the narrative of "they would want their guy" is totally overrated. You take a franchise QB anyway you cant get one. I agree with you and it actually makes them look better. If DJ plays great they get the reputation as the guys that turned DJ in to a franchise guy. Just drafting another guy is not nearly as big a deal in my opinion.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 2, 2022 17:39:31 GMT -5
exactly....that why I think the narrative of "they would want their guy" is totally overrated. You take a franchise QB anyway you cant get one. I agree with you and it actually makes them look better. If DJ plays great they get the reputation as the guys that turned DJ in to a franchise guy. Just drafting another guy is not nearly as big a deal in my opinion. yeah...its at least as good as grooming a QB that you drafted. Also, as we all know, QB is such a freakin' crap shoot.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 2, 2022 17:41:48 GMT -5
I agree with you and it actually makes them look better. If DJ plays great they get the reputation as the guys that turned DJ in to a franchise guy. Just drafting another guy is not nearly as big a deal in my opinion. yeah...its at least as good as grooming a QB that you drafted. Also, as we all know, QB is such a freakin' crap shoot. If DJ plays great you will start to hear the narrative that Dabes turned around Allen and then turned around DJ. He becomes the QB whisperer.
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Post by miggs on Sept 2, 2022 20:57:47 GMT -5
Good to see sportswriter predicts on NY Giants site that Jones will have a terrific season and will do so because Daboll and Kafka have a terrific offensive system, the offensive line is stronger, and Barkley is healthy.
He differs from "couch" fans who think otherwise.
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Post by Zimonami on Sept 2, 2022 21:38:22 GMT -5
Sept 2, 2022 8:32:09 GMT -4 Bigjeep said:
Before that fateful 2018 draft, one veteran NFL scout had actually sent word to a Gettleman lieutenant that the Giants and Browns would regret it if they kept Barkley and Baker Mayfield higher on their draft boards than Allen. Of course, had the Giants selected Allen four years ago, Gettleman would likely still be in power, and Schoen would be who-knows-where. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ That's interesting to imagine. So we have Allen instead of Barkley... but we still have the same bad ass OLine DG put together, Taking Allen instead of Barkley doesn't change the crap job he did building us a line.... and Allen might've been in the same place Jones was with them. In my 60+ years watching the Giants these last couple years were the worst OLines the Giants have ever had. I don'r think Allen or any other QB could have saved us with that crap.
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Post by Martin on Sept 2, 2022 22:20:07 GMT -5
Sept 2, 2022 8:32:09 GMT -4 Bigjeep said:Before that fateful 2018 draft, one veteran NFL scout had actually sent word to a Gettleman lieutenant that the Giants and Browns would regret it if they kept Barkley and Baker Mayfield higher on their draft boards than Allen. Of course, had the Giants selected Allen four years ago, Gettleman would likely still be in power, and Schoen would be who-knows-where. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ That's interesting to imagine. So we have Allen instead of Barkley... but we still have the same bad ass OLine DG put together, Taking Allen instead of Barkley doesn't change the crap job he did building us a line.... and Allen might've been in the same place Jones was with them. In my 60+ years watching the Giants these last couple years were the worst OLines the Giants have ever had. I don'r think Allen or any other QB could have saved us with that crap. I am a long time fan going back to 1965 and the last 2 years were worse then some of the 70s seasons. Last year in particular I was unable to watch the full games. I had to walk away. I never did that before. As you said it wouldn't have mattered which QB played for the team. Unitas, Montana, Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes. Last years team was the ugliest I have ever seen. The modern game evolved and the Giants were still waiting at the station.
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Post by Zimonami on Sept 2, 2022 22:30:36 GMT -5
Sept 2, 2022 8:32:09 GMT -4 Bigjeep said:Before that fateful 2018 draft, one veteran NFL scout had actually sent word to a Gettleman lieutenant that the Giants and Browns would regret it if they kept Barkley and Baker Mayfield higher on their draft boards than Allen. Of course, had the Giants selected Allen four years ago, Gettleman would likely still be in power, and Schoen would be who-knows-where. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ That's interesting to imagine. So we have Allen instead of Barkley... but we still have the same bad ass OLine DG put together, Taking Allen instead of Barkley doesn't change the crap job he did building us a line.... and Allen might've been in the same place Jones was with them. In my 60+ years watching the Giants these last couple years were the worst OLines the Giants have ever had. I don'r think Allen or any other QB could have saved us with that crap. I am a long time fan going back to 1965 and the last 2 years were worse then some of the 70s seasons. Last year in particular I was unable to watch the full games. I had to walk away. I never did that before. As you said it wouldn't have mattered which QB played for the team. Unitas, Montana, Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes. Last years team was the ugliest I have ever seen. The modern game evolved and the Giants were still waiting at the station. we reacted the same. It was the worst, ever. Even in the years of Doug Van Horn, Dick Enderle, Greg Larson... I at least respected their effort more than this past year's crew of misfits.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2022 2:39:52 GMT -5
Barkely would be a good pick for a team that was missing that ONE particular piece. Obviously that wasn't us...and a RB at No. 2??? unless he is Walter Payton or Jim Brown jeezI think that's what the Giants saw him as. The second coming of Payton, Brown, Peterson, etc. And in his rookie year, he was. Problem was that the rest of the team was horrible and if they had traded back they could've had a king's ransom. We keep assuming DG made this pick on an island but I think the owners incorrectly wanted to wring more years out of Eli and had a hand in Barkley's selection. But it doesn't matter now. Gettlemen made tons of blunders and he deserves some of the blame for this one as well. ...it's not a featured running back league anymore
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2022 2:43:21 GMT -5
Sept 2, 2022 8:32:09 GMT -4 Bigjeep said:Before that fateful 2018 draft, one veteran NFL scout had actually sent word to a Gettleman lieutenant that the Giants and Browns would regret it if they kept Barkley and Baker Mayfield higher on their draft boards than Allen. Of course, had the Giants selected Allen four years ago, Gettleman would likely still be in power, and Schoen would be who-knows-where. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ That's interesting to imagine. So we have Allen instead of Barkley... but we still have the same bad ass OLine DG put together, Taking Allen instead of Barkley doesn't change the crap job he did building us a line.... and Allen might've been in the same place Jones was with them. In my 60+ years watching the Giants these last couple years were the worst OLines the Giants have ever had. I don'r think Allen or any other QB could have saved us with that crap. And this OL is still not done being built ...the interior is still in need of a Quenton Nelson, an actual hog mollie that can play well Yeah, I have my belief Allen would have been ruined here with Gettleman and the impatient fan base
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Post by GameTime on Sept 3, 2022 6:19:05 GMT -5
Sept 2, 2022 8:32:09 GMT -4 Bigjeep said:Before that fateful 2018 draft, one veteran NFL scout had actually sent word to a Gettleman lieutenant that the Giants and Browns would regret it if they kept Barkley and Baker Mayfield higher on their draft boards than Allen. Of course, had the Giants selected Allen four years ago, Gettleman would likely still be in power, and Schoen would be who-knows-where. ___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ That's interesting to imagine. So we have Allen instead of Barkley... but we still have the same bad ass OLine DG put together, Taking Allen instead of Barkley doesn't change the crap job he did building us a line.... and Allen might've been in the same place Jones was with them. In my 60+ years watching the Giants these last couple years were the worst OLines the Giants have ever had. I don'r think Allen or any other QB could have saved us with that crap. And this OL is still not done being built ...the interior is still in need of a Quenton Nelson, an actual hog mollie that can play well Yeah, I have my belief Allen would have been ruined here with Gettleman and the impatient fan base Allen may have been ruined because of DG, the staff ad roster he assembled. But the fan base doesn't have control over how long they keep a young QB. Allen would have taken his lumps like Jones has. He did from the media and his fan base as well. But the Bills and Allen eventually got it done, In a huge way.
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 3, 2022 6:45:01 GMT -5
this redraft topic is simply too painful for me to rehash through, lol...
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Post by GameTime on Sept 3, 2022 7:20:17 GMT -5
this redraft topic is simply too painful for me to rehash through, lol... yeah....I usually am not a fan of that either. I just feel Allen, or most QBs, would be in a similar situation that Jones is in all other thngs being the same if they were drafted by the NYGs back then.
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