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Post by vinnie on Sept 3, 2022 13:19:21 GMT -5
On more then one occasion, Mara has recently said himself that he messed up in the past by not giving some HC’s enough time. I believe he specifically mentioned Shurmur as well. Schoen or Dabs aren’t going anywhere next year even if they are below .500. He is a broken record. He also said Judge will not be a 2 year HC. Not to be a cliche parrot. But in this case the actions speak louder than the words. If they draft a rookie next year, it’s highly likely they won’t get to .500. Even Mara isn’t dumb enough to either one of them after 2 years, one with a rookie QB or bridge QB and also their first full year without being in cap hell. I would my house on it, neither one are going anywhere after next year no matter what their record is unless one of them tells Mara to go **** himself for some reason.
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Post by miggs on Sept 3, 2022 13:19:23 GMT -5
You guys are comparing oranges to apples.
You need to learn to differentiate between a bad system (Giants), and good system (Bills).
Jones will be playing in a good system for the first time in his career. He'll do just fine. .
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Post by TEM on Sept 3, 2022 13:23:12 GMT -5
He is a broken record. He also said Judge will not be a 2 year HC. Not to be a cliche parrot. But in this case the actions speak louder than the words. If they draft a rookie next year, it’s highly likely they won’t get to .500. Even Mara isn’t dumb enough to either one of them after 2 years, one with a rookie QB or bridge QB and also their first full year without being in cap hell. I would my house on it, neither one are going anywhere after next year no matter what their record is unless one of them tells Mara to go **** himself for some reason. What did he do the Pat the offseason after Jones was drafted? Resent history goes against what you are saying.
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 3, 2022 15:01:56 GMT -5
what GMs era isnt? Jones needs to emerge as the franchise or they move on. not news. if Jones isn't able to take the next step in becoming a franchise QB by the end of this coming season its back to the drawing board for us...
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 3, 2022 15:02:17 GMT -5
If they draft a rookie next year, it’s highly likely they won’t get to .500. Even Mara isn’t dumb enough to either one of them after 2 years, one with a rookie QB or bridge QB and also their first full year without being in cap hell. I would my house on it, neither one are going anywhere after next year no matter what their record is unless one of them tells Mara to go **** himself for some reason. What did he do the Pat the offseason after Jones was drafted? Resent history goes against what you are saying. I wasn't a fan of that coach delete mainly because he kinda hand picked Jones for his system and I kinda predicted that a new system year 2 could be detrimental for his development. (Certain instant gratification fools were all "**** continuity"...they got what they wanted ) Judge had to go after seeing how he unraveled at the end of the year Methinks again Gettleman was a sock puppet to Fredo and both prefered a prehistoric conservative type team and Judge fit that bill.. Bringing in a guy with zero ties to the organization and seemingly hand picking his HC ..... I really think this will be different. No fogie outside influences this time
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Post by GameTime on Sept 3, 2022 15:04:04 GMT -5
what GMs era isnt? Jones needs to emerge as the franchise or they move on. not news. if Jones isn't able to take the next step in becoming a franchise QB by the end of this coming season its back to the drawing board for us... that goes without saying
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Post by vinnie on Sept 3, 2022 15:10:17 GMT -5
If they draft a rookie next year, it’s highly likely they won’t get to .500. Even Mara isn’t dumb enough to either one of them after 2 years, one with a rookie QB or bridge QB and also their first full year without being in cap hell. I would my house on it, neither one are going anywhere after next year no matter what their record is unless one of them tells Mara to go **** himself for some reason. What did he do the Pat the offseason after Jones was drafted? Resent history goes against what you are saying. But you’re comparing apples to oranges. He should have fired Gettleman with Shurmur but he didn’t. Then he had Judge and Gettleman but he wanted to fire Gettleman so he decided to start from scratch with a new GM and new coach. When was the last time he hired a GM and coach together? This is how it should be done and you’re insane if you think he’ll fire both of them after two years.
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Post by vinnie on Sept 3, 2022 15:12:26 GMT -5
what GMs era isnt? Jones needs to emerge as the franchise or they move on. not news. if Jones isn't able to take the next step in becoming a franchise QB by the end of this coming season its back to the drawing board for us... And that’s exactly what will happen. If Jones is gone and we draft a rookie, I don’t see us having a winning season for another 3 years at a minimum, maybe 4.
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Post by snyder55 on Sept 3, 2022 15:15:31 GMT -5
if Jones isn't able to take the next step in becoming a franchise QB by the end of this coming season its back to the drawing board for us... And that’s exactly what will happen. If Jones is gone and we draft a rookie, I don’t see us having a winning season for another 3 years at a minimum, maybe 4. unfortunately thats about how long it takes even for a really good one, the problem is that I'm getting older and pretty soon I won't give a damn..
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Post by TEM on Sept 3, 2022 15:15:51 GMT -5
What did he do the Pat the offseason after Jones was drafted? Resent history goes against what you are saying. But you’re comparing apples to oranges. He should have fired Gettleman with Shurmur but he didn’t. Then he had Judge and Gettleman but he wanted to fire Gettleman so he decided to start from scratch with a new GM and new coach. When was the last time he hired a GM and coach together? This is how it should be done and you’re insane if you think he’ll fire both of them after two years. I am not saying he will. I am saying the odd are against them if they do not get over the 6-win hump. I want them to get 4 as a minimum.
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Post by TEM on Sept 3, 2022 15:16:32 GMT -5
What did he do the Pat the offseason after Jones was drafted? Resent history goes against what you are saying. I wasn't a fan of that coach delete mainly because he kinda hand picked Jones for his system and I kinda predicted that a new system year 2 could be detrimental for his development. (Certain instant gratification fools were all "**** continuity"...they got what they wanted ) Judge had to go after seeing how he unraveled at the end of the year Methinks again Gettleman was a sock puppet to Fredo and both prefered a prehistoric conservative type team and Judge fit that bill.. Bringing in a guy with zero ties to the organization and seemingly hand picking his HC ..... I really think this will be different. No fogie outside influences this time I hope you are correct.
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 3, 2022 15:16:39 GMT -5
if Jones isn't able to take the next step in becoming a franchise QB by the end of this coming season its back to the drawing board for us... And that’s exactly what will happen. If Jones is gone and we draft a rookie, I don’t see us having a winning season for another 3 years at a minimum, maybe 4. Nah.... Let's see how all the other young players develop...especially if both OTs are good and at least one of these young guards are NFL average....that alone would be the baseline for a young good O line.. A new qb on 4 years rookie deal also allows for resigning their own good players and can fill a few holes (NOT AT WR...Keep that position cheap young and talented).. Unlike last time maybe 2023 we could be a young qb away and this time he has actual talent around him
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Post by GameTime on Sept 3, 2022 15:26:24 GMT -5
if Jones isn't able to take the next step in becoming a franchise QB by the end of this coming season its back to the drawing board for us... And that’s exactly what will happen. If Jones is gone and we draft a rookie, I don’t see us having a winning season for another 3 years at a minimum, maybe 4. I'll be retired by then!!!! maybe..lol
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 3, 2022 16:05:36 GMT -5
They Approved it that was Schoens choice. It goes without saying! Mara has to sign off on all hirings! I believe he intervenes a lot less than people believe. Also he is no fool he knows what they have been doing over the last 11 or 12 years wasn't working and was out dated.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 3, 2022 16:10:13 GMT -5
They Approved it that was Schoens choice. If it was Schones choice. Why did they have to approve it? Because they own the team I can't recall hearing that they disapproved anything recommend to them by any GM, Actually Wellington accepted Fassel who was not who he wanted, he did get his man TC tho.
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Post by TEM on Sept 3, 2022 16:15:29 GMT -5
If it was Schones choice. Why did they have to approve it? Because they own the team I can't recall hearing that they disapproved anything recommend to them by any GM, Actually Wellington accepted Fassel who was not who he wanted, he did get his man TC tho. The way I see, if you want the GM to pick his FO and staff. The owners should keep out of it.
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Post by BigBlueDog42 on Sept 3, 2022 16:21:03 GMT -5
TEM your smart I have said this about 4 different times the roster needs marked improvement and the staff needs to get better from that roster each year. If that doesn't happen they are done but after 4 years forget that 2 year crap. I am a person that needs proof. The only proof I have is what has transpired. If they do not win, they are gone. Everything else is an excuse. That is what ownership has shown. My logic The problem that happened with Both Reese and Gettelman. They were both put on notice when they should have been walked out the door. Here is the stupid result of not doing that. Both went berserk in cap spending to save their a$$es. So the next guy is stuck with a huge problem. Tisch is a money guy. IMO: He won't allow the stupid to happen again. They have 2 years to get out of the doldrums or they are gone. (as a tandem). The stupid was 3 coaches in 6 years and giving their blessing to Reese a desperate guy an open check book, and do it 6 years later with Gettlemen again. The Giants are supposed to be in good cap shape the next 3 to 4 years we will see how this goes but a GM / coach every 2 years is a sure fire way to continue the losing. Also I don't think Schoen wasn't touching this job without reassurance that would be aloud to finish what he starts and that the ownership understands this 11 to 12 years of deterioration. They keep changing coaches and add GMs like underwear it will only be more losing and restarts.
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Post by Fletch842 on Sept 4, 2022 6:35:50 GMT -5
What did he do the Pat the offseason after Jones was drafted? Resent history goes against what you are saying. But you’re comparing apples to oranges. He should have fired Gettleman with Shurmur but he didn’t. Then he had Judge and Gettleman but he wanted to fire Gettleman so he decided to start from scratch with a new GM and new coach. When was the last time he hired a GM and coach together? This is how it should be done and you’re insane if you think he’ll fire both of them after two years. they would have to pull a Joe Judge to get fired that quick, and from the looks of the preseason, I think they are already more prepared than our last staff ever was.
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Post by mendy on Sept 4, 2022 7:00:57 GMT -5
It is an interesting article which could leave fans misaligned with Schoen. If DJ has a strong year, Schoen still might choose NOT to re-sign him. Why? Schoen will have to pay more for Jones than he would for a first round QB pick thus squeezing his options in FA next year. He also gets another year's pass in rebuilding the team because, after all, we've got a rookie QB. Schoen is probably too smart to get caught in this trap, but it is a plausible scenario especially if DJ turns out to be a tweener. Absolutely but it still will benefit Jones when he is signed by some other team and if he has a good year he will be.
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Post by mendy on Sept 4, 2022 7:04:49 GMT -5
I can agree with only if DJ has a good year and the still dont think he can be a franchise QB. if they are convinced he can be a franchise QB they will not toss him aside because of money. Its so hard to get/develop a franchise QB. I agree with that. It is an interesting dilemma though because a QB is neither great, terrible or in the middle. It is almost always in the gray even with franchise QBs. Look at Phil Simms. Early in his career he was considered "injury prone" until he became an iron man. Even then, he wasn't the kind of guy who put a team on his back. What he did over time was, he took the mistakes out of his game. Only then did he start to make plays....and become a borderline HOF QB. So all of this is a way of saying, if we had Simms now in year 4 or 5, would we re-sign him with the limited info we had at that time or go out and spend a #1 on the "maybe next guy?"I will go as far as to say if we had Simms now with his injury history, he would be cut.
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