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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 7:48:15 GMT -5
pass rush pressure pressure in general for this season pressure for a huge mistake pressure of a 4th quarter drive. Jones played under pressure from all angles yesterday. The whole team and staff never gave up That's a whole lot of pressure but I was thinking oline pressure and to still complete that high of a percentage of passes was great.. yep...I just wanted to point out the larger picture
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 7:49:18 GMT -5
That's a whole lot of pressure but I was thinking oline pressure and to still complete that high of a percentage of passes was great.. yep...I just wanted to point out the larger picture OK miggs..
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 7:52:01 GMT -5
I just saw a talking head complaining the CeeDee Lamb didn't look like a #1 wr. I laughed thinking we would be thrilled to have him as our #1. Doesn't he drop a lot? Fell a sleep watching that FG fest so I don't know how he did last night.. Normally over 60% clutch rate. Yesterday under 20. Guys on get up were just bashing Joe Judge. Said Joe Judge teams don't score touchdowns. Praised Daboll.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 7:52:17 GMT -5
yep...I just wanted to point out the larger picture OK miggs.. damn Bro... you cut me deep That hurts.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 12, 2022 7:53:18 GMT -5
Here is another play he missed for an easy long TD. Ill have to find the actual video of it, but Raanan sums it up.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 7:53:24 GMT -5
Doesn't he drop a lot? Fell a sleep watching that FG fest so I don't know how he did last night.. Normally over 60% clutch rate. Yesterday under 20. Guys on get up were just bashing Joe Judge. Said Joe Judge teams don't score touchdowns. Praised Daboll. You get me every time with that stat. No clue what that means. Either a player catches it or doesn't.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 7:57:26 GMT -5
Here is another play he missed for an easy long TD. Ill have to find the actual video of it, but Raanan sums it up. QBs miss plays every game. I get the picking on Jones and he has earned that. He was integral in the win too. How about the 17 of 21 he made and that with a drop by James. He had two TD passes too the pick was terrible of course
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 7:58:19 GMT -5
Normally over 60% clutch rate. Yesterday under 20. Guys on get up were just bashing Joe Judge. Said Joe Judge teams don't score touchdowns. Praised Daboll. You get me every time with that stat. No clue what that means. Either a player catches it or doesn't. Its a bad name. Should be named catch rate. Just means catches divided by targets.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 7:58:35 GMT -5
OK miggs.. damn Bro... you cut me deep That hurts. My apologies. That is over the top..
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 7:59:47 GMT -5
damn Bro... you cut me deep That hurts. My apologies. That is over the top.. lol......all good My avatar shows less hopelessness now...
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 12, 2022 8:00:06 GMT -5
Here is another play he missed for an easy long TD. Ill have to find the actual video of it, but Raanan sums it up. QBs miss plays every game. I get the picking on Jones and he has earned that. He was integral in the win too. How about the 17 of 21 he made and that with a drop by James. He had two TD passes too the pick was terrible of course Some people will dig hard to find narrative Some people will dig hard to find confirmation bias We probably know all on either side who do this Turns into negative signal to noise ratio when it becomes pages on every thread or even any thread about Jones..
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Post by OrangeGiant on Sept 12, 2022 8:06:13 GMT -5
He was serviceable and made enough plays to help them win. He made some good plays and some bad plays. That pick in the end zone was as bad as it gets. You can't make that throw in that situation. How he made that throw when he was looking at not only Barkley but the defender in perfect position is hard to understand. They won, so give him credit for that, although that had more to do with Saquon than anyone. To me, that game was pretty much DJ in a nutshell. Had that FG gone in, I think the narrative is a bit more harsh this am. To me, the jury is still out on him. Lets see what happens moving forward. Jury still out for sure but he didnt cave even after that terrible pick and he was part of the win. He wasnt a game manager. Glad Dabbs got in his face too. Still a steep hill for this kid. Agreed, he did lead them back to score and that was his only really bad mistake. I don’t put that fumble on him, but he has to make better decisions in crucial situations moving forward.
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Post by christian on Sept 12, 2022 8:08:24 GMT -5
That's his passer rating, which goes up to 158.3. Now QBR which you referenced only goes up to 100: A QBR of 100 means he had a perfect game. A QBR of 75 means he had a pro bowl caliber game. A QBR of 50 means he had an average game. Daniel Jones QBR is 25.8. Currently 24th best in the league. QBR - " weighted based on its "difficulty", the context of the game, and the strength of the opposing defense." Sounds like there is a lot of room to manipulate QBR however ESPN wants. I wonder if ESPN manipulates those numbers it to promote players they want. Just Fields had a 47% competion rate and a terrible INT today and his QBR was in the 40s. The classic QB rating is completely based on numbers - you can't manipulate it. Seems very subjective - personally I wouldn't place muck stock in it
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 8:09:52 GMT -5
QBR - " weighted based on its "difficulty", the context of the game, and the strength of the opposing defense." Sounds like there is a lot of room to manipulate QBR however ESPN wants. I wonder if ESPN manipulates those numbers it to promote players they want. Just Fields had a 47% competion rate and a terrible INT today and his QBR was in the 40s. The classic QB rating is completely based on numbers - you can't manipulate it. Seems very subjective - personally I wouldn't place muck stock in it QBR is ridiculously flawed.
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Post by Nite on Sept 12, 2022 8:12:50 GMT -5
He had a fair to decent game. Not much was decided yesterday. He is still tracking towards game manager/backup...
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Post by jaymas on Sept 12, 2022 8:19:56 GMT -5
Let me know when you figure out that hyper specific stat you made up in your head. The Giants and Titans were both around 20 percent on 3rd down today, if that helps you. Like I said, Joe Burrow was under pressure all day today and completely folded. It was understandable. He's still good though. But why would that ever stop anyone from keep their game to game expectations grounded in any sort of reality? Third down conversion is made up? Success rate during the blitz isn’t tracked? Are you sure? That sucks for Burrow. Must’ve been a lousy game. Sucks more for Jones, though. It’s been a pretty lousy career. Not sure what you want everyone to agree with - we won today. Be happy. It’s okay if some people think his biggest flaws include not being able to keep his head under pressure. It sure isn't. I gave it to you, about 20% for Titans and Giants on the game. Not great. Of course, success against the blitz and success under pressure is tracked...let me know when you find that for Jones in this game, and then we can talk. He had 4 incomplete passes, so I'm gonna bet that he wasn't a disaster under pressure like you're indicating, espeically since he was under pressure the entire game. It just isn't hard to connect these dots.
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Post by infinite420 on Sept 12, 2022 8:20:15 GMT -5
Exactly. Jones had far from a perfect game but I thought all in all he played well. and who is Jones's alpha WR #1??? Golladay? Cmon! I just saw a talking head complaining the CeeDee Lamb didn't look like a #1 wr. I laughed thinking we would be thrilled to have him as our #1. Ceedee is super overrated. I watch alot of Boys games living in Dallas, he's a #2, theyre going to regret trading Amari for peanuts
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Post by jaymas on Sept 12, 2022 8:21:56 GMT -5
Here is another play he missed for an easy long TD. Ill have to find the actual video of it, but Raanan sums it up. These are my favorite...what if David Sills was the 3rd read? It's almost like it happens every game or something, even from the greatest QBs to ever lace em up.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 8:22:46 GMT -5
I just saw a talking head complaining the CeeDee Lamb didn't look like a #1 wr. I laughed thinking we would be thrilled to have him as our #1. Ceedee is super overrated. I watch alot of Boys games living in Dallas, he's a #2, theyre going to regret trading Amari for peanuts I thino Lamb looked really good in his first 2 seasons but can anyone say he wouldn't be our clear #1 wr?
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 12, 2022 9:01:53 GMT -5
Here is another play he missed for an easy long TD. Ill have to find the actual video of it, but Raanan sums it up. QBs miss plays every game. I get the picking on Jones and he has earned that. He was integral in the win too. How about the 17 of 21 he made and that with a drop by James. He had two TD passes too the pick was terrible of course Im not done with my analysis. He played well in some plays too for sure. That one play he scrambled and found WanDale Robinson was a great play by him. I mean, 17-21 is good, he had some really nice darts, but he also only had 188 yards. 65 yards from 1 play. Thats not too good in todays NFL. After the past 2 years production wise, that appears to be his norm. As I said earlier, Ill probably have a nice write up on the entire game later on, including the QB play. Barkley is going to be biggest focus on offense though. Not Jones.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 12, 2022 9:03:23 GMT -5
Here is another play he missed for an easy long TD. Ill have to find the actual video of it, but Raanan sums it up. These are my favorite...what if David Sills was the 3rd read? It's almost like it happens every game or something, even from the greatest QBs to ever lace em up. So you are comparing Daniel Jones to Aaron Rodgers.... ok. Might want to tell me how their careers look so far and compare.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 9:03:29 GMT -5
QBs miss plays every game. I get the picking on Jones and he has earned that. He was integral in the win too. How about the 17 of 21 he made and that with a drop by James. He had two TD passes too the pick was terrible of course Im not done with my analysis. He played well in some plays too for sure. That one play he scrambled and found WanDale Robinson was a great play by him. I mean, 17-21 is good, he had some really nice darts, but he also only had 188 yards. 65 yards from 1 play. Thats not too good in todays NFL. After the past 2 years production wise, that appears to be his norm. As I said earlier, Ill probably have a nice write up on the entire game later on, including the QB play. Barkley is going to be biggest focus on offense though. Not Jones. one game and every play...good and bad meant a lot today. Jones was part of the win. Barkley was the man today.
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Post by Roswell on Sept 12, 2022 9:04:36 GMT -5
Here is another play he missed for an easy long TD. Ill have to find the actual video of it, but Raanan sums it up. QBs miss plays every game. I get the picking on Jones and he has earned that. He was integral in the win too. How about the 17 of 21 he made and that with a drop by James. He had two TD passes too the pick was terrible of course He had a very good game. One horrible throw but he hung in there.
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 12, 2022 9:05:11 GMT -5
I saw what Tyreek Hill and AJ Brown did for Hurts and Tua yesterday.
..I'd love to see Jones play with a stud WR #1 before he is run out of town.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 9:06:30 GMT -5
I saw what Tyreek Hill and AJ Brown did for Hurts and Tua yesterday. ..I'd love to see Jones play with a stud WR #1 before he is run out of town. Wishes and what ifs mean nothing. Jones has to do his job and get better.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 12, 2022 9:08:19 GMT -5
These are my favorite...what if David Sills was the 3rd read? It's almost like it happens every game or something, even from the greatest QBs to ever lace em up. So you are comparing Daniel Jones to Aaron Rodgers.... ok. Might want to tell me how their careers look so far and compare. I'm not comparing them at all, I'm not even talking about their careers. Zero words that I used indicated that. I'm saying that every single QB in the NFL,the bad, average, good, and great ones, in every game, miss plays. Or, better yet, fans, with zero knowledge of the play called, the progression, mechanics etc. like to pretend they know when a guy misses a guy like it's some sort of game of Madden and you can just press X if he happens to come open while having a bird's eye view of the field haha.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 12, 2022 9:09:18 GMT -5
I won't diminish it or make some condescending comment. I will take it for what it is. He led the offense down the field with 2 minuets on the clock and scored. Something he has never done. Is that really his first ever 4Q GW drive? Wow. Nah, his first start and the Washington game his rookie year haha. I don't know why TEM is saying it's his first. Not that the kid has led a lot of them...but not his first.
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 12, 2022 9:12:56 GMT -5
Burrow had 5 turnovers today throwing to Pro Bowl WRs. ...just a little perspective. What does this have to do with anything about the thread/Jones? Perspective for those who said Jones sucked and looked clueless yesterday. Been hearing non-stop hate on Jones from the day he was drafted. Why didn't we draft Dwayne Haskins? Dave Brown 2.0, etc. I have been blown away by a couple QBs like Justin Herbert and Aaron Rodgers but the more I watch other QBs the more I appreciate Jones.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 12, 2022 9:13:06 GMT -5
So you are comparing Daniel Jones to Aaron Rodgers.... ok. Might want to tell me how their careers look so far and compare. I'm not comparing them at all, I'm not even talking about their careers. Zero words that I used indicated that. I'm saying that every single QB in the NFL,the bad, average, good, and great ones, in every game, miss plays. Or, better yet, fans, with zero knowledge of the play called, the progression, mechanics etc. like to pretend they know when a guy misses a guy like it's some sort of game of Madden and you can just press X if he happens to come open while having a bird's eye view of the field haha. Of course every QB misses open receivers. My point is, Aaron Rodger can miss a wide open receiver, because he makes up for it. Because he is an MVP. Because he is a HOFer. When Jones misses it, and finishes a game with only 188 yards, (IF Tenn hits the FG it shows more) it is more of an issue. Listen, I get you guys jumping in front of bullet for DJ, but there is not much he does that shows me he is a franchise QB in this league. He looks like a good backup. He doesn't even protect himself after a neck injury last year. What, 3 or 4 time he ran and dove head first taking a hit yesterday? You cant depend on him physically even if you want to depend on him mentally.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 12, 2022 9:18:10 GMT -5
I'm not comparing them at all, I'm not even talking about their careers. Zero words that I used indicated that. I'm saying that every single QB in the NFL,the bad, average, good, and great ones, in every game, miss plays. Or, better yet, fans, with zero knowledge of the play called, the progression, mechanics etc. like to pretend they know when a guy misses a guy like it's some sort of game of Madden and you can just press X if he happens to come open while having a bird's eye view of the field haha. Of course every QB misses open receivers. My point is, Aaron Rodger can miss a wide open receiver, because he makes up for it. Because he is an MVP. Because he is a HOFer. When Jones misses it, and finishes a game with only 188 yards, (IF Tenn hits the FG it shows more) it is more of an issue. Listen, I get you guys jumping in front of bullet for DJ, but there is not much he does that shows me he is a franchise QB in this league. He looks like a good backup. He doesn't even protect himself after a neck injury last year. What, 3 or 4 time he ran and dove head first taking a hit yesterday? You cant depend on him physically even if you want to depend on him mentally. You're just saying a bunch of stuff no one is talking about. No one is trying to make the points you're countering with. He had 188 yards because they got absolutely nothing going in the first half, at all. The protection was brutal and they adjusted to a more run focused gameplan, which worked great within the context of that game. No one is taking a bullet or making career projections for the guy. The point is, it's not a big deal when plays are missed (if that was actually a miss), because everyone misses them. How did he not make up for it in the context of this game? Led a 13 pt comeback, bounced back after his only awful throw of the day...they won the game.
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