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Post by DJones19 on Sept 11, 2022 22:25:28 GMT -5
QBR - " weighted based on its "difficulty", the context of the game, and the strength of the opposing defense." Sounds like there is a lot of room to manipulate QBR however ESPN wants. I wonder if ESPN manipulates those numbers it to promote players they want. Just Fields had a 47% competion rate and a terrible INT today and his QBR was in the 40s. The classic QB rating is completely based on numbers - you can't manipulate it. Titans are one of the stingiest Ds in the league wouldn't that work in DJs favor unless it's just Bull Shit. Exactly. The original QB Rating that is complete based on numbers had Jones 4th overall in NFL today not counting Love who only played a few snaps.
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Post by jaymas on Sept 11, 2022 22:29:12 GMT -5
Wait, the same people who rip on PFF regularly, are all into ESPN'S QBR all of a sudden? Who’s into QBR? He cited something that was factually inaccurate and I corrected him, but keep reaching though. Just making a calculated metric joke, c'mon now.
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Post by robl on Sept 11, 2022 22:38:13 GMT -5
The highest paid QB in our division put up:
Dak Prescott 14/29 134 Yards. 0 TD 1 INT
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Post by allnygin on Sept 11, 2022 22:42:01 GMT -5
The highest paid QB in our division put up: Dak Prescott 14/29 134 Yards. 0 TD 1 INT that is precisely why you don't give mediocre QBs big contracts, but to be fair Dallas had a window to win and they missed it. It's a completely different team than what Dak is use to which was usually stacked olines, and weapons at skill positions. Dak when he had one of the best situations a QB could ask for elite HB, Elite oline and some really good wr's couldn't get it done..
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 11, 2022 22:42:23 GMT -5
The highest paid QB in our division put up: Dak Prescott 14/29 134 Yards. 0 TD 1 INT A worse qb rating than if he just spiked the ball into the ground on every single play
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Post by Morehead State on Sept 11, 2022 23:20:21 GMT -5
Trying to make a case for anyone based on QBR for one game is a fool's errand.
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Post by Sarcasman on Sept 12, 2022 1:13:02 GMT -5
I thought he was mediocre, sans the pass to Shep and ignoring the brutal INT. That being said, he got it done with his feet and the coaches weaponized them when needed. He also had a brutal day from his interior line. He is not a franchise QB and I still think this is his last year here. But if he can get SOME protection, i think we'll be in many many games. This is pretty much where I see him. I think there's a chance the offense turns a corner this year and Jones plays very well but I don't think that's likely. I think they'll be serviceable at their best. I thought he made some good plays and some nice throws and some horrendous plays and spastic runs. Jones is athletic but he's not graceful, he always seems to be a play away from the IR and that's not good in a starting QB. When the play breaks great QBs looks smooth and make plays, he just doesn't seem to have that. At least he hasn't shown it since like his first game.
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Post by njsean on Sept 12, 2022 3:33:34 GMT -5
It’s possible you and I just have different expectations for navigating pressure and what making a play looks like. The fact that he can throw a 3 yard pass that gets blown up after completion isn’t exactly impressive to me. I want a quarterback that can stare down pressure and convert third downs. I haven’t looked. How did he do on those? He get close to 40%? I’d be shocked. Let me know when you figure out that hyper specific stat you made up in your head. The Giants and Titans were both around 20 percent on 3rd down today, if that helps you. Like I said, Joe Burrow was under pressure all day today and completely folded. It was understandable. He's still good though. But why would that ever stop anyone from keep their game to game expectations grounded in any sort of reality? Third down conversion is made up? Success rate during the blitz isn’t tracked? Are you sure? That sucks for Burrow. Must’ve been a lousy game. Sucks more for Jones, though. It’s been a pretty lousy career. Not sure what you want everyone to agree with - we won today. Be happy. It’s okay if some people think his biggest flaws include not being able to keep his head under pressure.
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Post by njsean on Sept 12, 2022 3:37:28 GMT -5
Because sacks don’t count as incompletions I guess. He doesn’t navigate well and create when the play breaks down. What’s a play where he did that today? I’d love to reconsider. Brady just got sacked for the second time on 3rd down. He was on the 4 yard line. I just do not know if he has what it takes for you. Yikes. Bad example. Brady’s career stats on third down and facing the blitz are absurd. Dude’s been over 50% on 3rd since joining the Bucs and had years in the 60s while on the Pats. Despite the win, I do think Brady might struggle this year. But that’s like the worst take for anyone to ever publicly take.
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Post by ox1 on Sept 12, 2022 5:40:19 GMT -5
Still seeing a guy that might get you to the playoffs, but is not getting you a Superbowl. Great teams in the playoffs and SB, are going to get pressure, and Jones is not intuitive when things break down.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 6:37:41 GMT -5
If Jones didnt have the rep as a fumbler in the pocket then that fumble would squarely go on the rush and pressure.
But with his rep Jones will bear responsibility. He was getting harrassed a good part of the day.
The kid still has his head up his ass too often but they are 1-0 and was part of the win for sure.
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 6:38:28 GMT -5
Brady just got sacked for the second time on 3rd down. He was on the 4 yard line. I just do not know if he has what it takes for you. Yikes. Bad example. Brady’s career stats on third down and facing the blitz are absurd. Dude’s been over 50% on 3rd since joining the Bucs and had years in the 60s while on the Pats. Despite the win, I do think Brady might struggle this year. But that’s like the worst take for anyone to ever publicly take. I was being sarcastic to illustrate what I thought of your position.
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Post by giantsmets on Sept 12, 2022 6:59:43 GMT -5
As one of the fans that consider myself a Jones supporter and believe he has the tools to succeed here is my assessment. First half the offensive line on the interior was brutal leaving Jones in a scenario not unlike the last two seasons. The fumble was clearly not his fault as he was making his third step back when he got blown up. Rookie LG completely whiffed and the defender was almost there for the snap. DJ navigated through that half but the Giants scored 0 which is unacceptable. Down 13 -0 he leads the team back to a tie with some very good QB play, the pass to Sheppard with that same left guard lying at DJ's feet was a thing of beauty. Then comes the Red Zone Int which was just awful and was on DJ 100%. But then he doesn't get flustered and leads the team down field on a two minute clutch drive. Then they go for 2 and he executes under pressure. I will take 17 of 21 with 2 TD's and 1 int in a road game against one the best defenses in the league any day. I think it is definitely something to build on, for the DJ haters? I'm sure their hate is still there and so be it. I still believe DJ will prove them wrong.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 7:04:53 GMT -5
As one of the fans that consider myself a Jones supporter and believe he has the tools to succeed here is my assessment. First half the offensive line on the interior was brutal leaving Jones in a scenario not unlike the last two seasons. The fumble was clearly not his fault as he was making his third step back when he got blown up. Rookie LG completely whiffed and the defender was almost there for the snap. DJ navigated through that half but the Giants scored 0 which is unacceptable. Down 13 -0 he leads the team back to a tie with some very good QB play, the pass to Sheppard with that same left guard lying at DJ's feet was a thing of beauty. Then comes the Red Zone Int which was just awful and was on DJ 100%. But then he doesn't get flustered and leads the team down field on a two minute clutch drive. Then they go for 2 and he executes under pressure. I will take 17 of 21 with 2 TD's and 1 int in a road game against one the best defenses in the league any day. I think it is definitely something to build on, for the DJ haters? I'm sure their hate is still there and so be it. I still believe DJ will prove them wrong. has the tools but needs to use them better. Daboll and Kafka are going to be very good for Jones.
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Post by OrangeGiant on Sept 12, 2022 7:05:35 GMT -5
He was serviceable and made enough plays to help them win. He made some good plays and some bad plays.
That pick in the end zone was as bad as it gets. You can't make that throw in that situation. How he made that throw when he was looking at not only Barkley but the defender in perfect position is hard to understand.
They won, so give him credit for that, although that had more to do with Saquon than anyone. To me, that game was pretty much DJ in a nutshell. Had that FG gone in, I think the narrative is a bit more harsh this am.
To me, the jury is still out on him. Lets see what happens moving forward.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 7:08:09 GMT -5
He was serviceable and made enough plays to help them win. He made some good plays and some bad plays. That pick in the end zone was as bad as it gets. You can't make that throw in that situation. How he made that throw when he was looking at not only Barkley but the defender in perfect position is hard to understand. They won, so give him credit for that, although that had more to do with Saquon than anyone. To me, that game was pretty much DJ in a nutshell. Had that FG gone in, I think the narrative is a bit more harsh this am. To me, the jury is still out on him. Lets see what happens moving forward. Jury still out for sure but he didnt cave even after that terrible pick and he was part of the win. He wasnt a game manager. Glad Dabbs got in his face too. Still a steep hill for this kid.
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Post by robl on Sept 12, 2022 7:20:29 GMT -5
He was serviceable and made enough plays to help them win. He made some good plays and some bad plays. That pick in the end zone was as bad as it gets. You can't make that throw in that situation. How he made that throw when he was looking at not only Barkley but the defender in perfect position is hard to understand. They won, so give him credit for that, although that had more to do with Saquon than anyone. To me, that game was pretty much DJ in a nutshell. Had that FG gone in, I think the narrative is a bit more harsh this am. To me, the jury is still out on him. Lets see what happens moving forward. Jury still out for sure but he didnt cave even after that terrible pick and he was part of the win. He wasnt a game manager. Glad Dabbs got in his face too. Still a steep hill for this kid. You know who used to get into the face of his quarterback and scream; www.giants.com/news/sideline-feudYup Parcells and Phil Simms after an incompletion.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 7:22:48 GMT -5
Jury still out for sure but he didnt cave even after that terrible pick and he was part of the win. He wasnt a game manager. Glad Dabbs got in his face too. Still a steep hill for this kid. You know who used to get into the face of his quarterback and scream; www.giants.com/news/sideline-feudYup Parcells and Phil Simms after an incompletion. ok...but lets take a step back... the big Tuna is a legend. I hope we see Daboll as the NYGs coach for the next 10 years. Means things are good!!!
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 7:24:04 GMT -5
Jury still out for sure but he didnt cave even after that terrible pick and he was part of the win. He wasnt a game manager. Glad Dabbs got in his face too. Still a steep hill for this kid. You know who used to get into the face of his quarterback and scream; www.giants.com/news/sideline-feudYup Parcells and Phil Simms after an incompletion. Dabol was a lot worse with Josh Allen. He was pointing to his head like what are you thinking with Josh Allen. Still on the key 4th down Dabol put the ball in DJs hands. Then later for the td as well.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 7:27:16 GMT -5
Dabol was a lot worse with Josh Allen. He was pointing to his head like what are you thinking with Josh Allen. Still on the key 4th down Dabol put the ball in DJs hands. Then later for the td as well. yep... Daboll didnt back off and Jones didnt fold
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 7:28:55 GMT -5
Dabol was a lot worse with Josh Allen. He was pointing to his head like what are you thinking with Josh Allen. Still on the key 4th down Dabol put the ball in DJs hands. Then later for the td as well. yep... Daboll didnt back off and Jones didnt fold DJ's 81% completion percentage was second best in NFL after Josh Allen at 83%. DJ's 9 yard pass average was 3rd in league in week one. 4th in NFL with 115 passer rating despite poor pass blocking.
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 7:30:21 GMT -5
yep... Daboll didnt back off and Jones didnt fold DJ's 81% completion percentage was second best in NFL after Josh Allen at 83% and James, who had a very god game, dropped a critcal 1st down too.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Sept 12, 2022 7:30:51 GMT -5
Quick note on DJ before the deep dive into yesterdays action.
I think in 2023, Daniel Jones will be a coveted backup QB for teams. A QB that can start due to injury, a QB that can win some games, but a QB who is limited. That interception is the reason. Terrible decision. I can only remember 1 deep ball in the game, to Shep, where it was underthrown and Shep came back to the ball when he was a good 5 steps ahead of the DB for an easy TD. The end result was good, but diagnosing the play, it wasnt the best throw to maximize the greatest success on that play. Im not sure why he threw it off his back foot the way he did. He had the pocket. Anyway...
Honestly, seeing Shep wear that #3 out there reminded me of Cruz in his rookie preseason.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 7:31:43 GMT -5
yep... Daboll didnt back off and Jones didnt fold DJ's 81% completion percentage was second best in NFL after Josh Allen at 83% With all the pressure that is a surprising stat. Good for him!!
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Post by giantlegacy on Sept 12, 2022 7:37:25 GMT -5
Quick note on DJ before the deep dive into yesterdays action. I think in 2023, Daniel Jones will be a coveted backup QB for teams. A QB that can start due to injury, a QB that can win some games, but a QB who is limited. That interception is the reason. Terrible decision. I can only remember 1 deep ball in the game, to Shep, where it was underthrown and Shep came back to the ball when he was a good 5 steps ahead of the DB for an easy TD. The end result was good, but diagnosing the play, it wasnt the best throw to maximize the greatest success on that play. Im not sure why he threw it off his back foot the way he did. He had the pocket. Anyway... Honestly, seeing Shep wear that #3 out there reminded me of Cruz in his rookie preseason. The lg was beaten cleanly but luckily tripped over,Jones saw this probably and was probably a little punch drunk still from the first half...
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Post by GameTime on Sept 12, 2022 7:38:17 GMT -5
DJ's 81% completion percentage was second best in NFL after Josh Allen at 83% With the all pressure that is a surprising stat. Good for him!! pass rush pressure pressure in general for this season pressure for a huge mistake pressure of a 4th quarter drive. Jones played under pressure from all angles yesterday. The whole team and staff never gave up
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Post by DJones19 on Sept 12, 2022 7:40:52 GMT -5
yep... Daboll didnt back off and Jones didnt fold DJ's 81% completion percentage was second best in NFL after Josh Allen at 83%. DJ's 9 yard pass average was 3rd in league in week one. 4th in NFL with 115 passer rating despite poor pass blocking. Exactly. Jones had far from a perfect game but I thought all in all he played well. and who is Jones's alpha WR #1??? Golladay? Cmon!
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Post by kerryisdaman on Sept 12, 2022 7:43:31 GMT -5
DJ's 81% completion percentage was second best in NFL after Josh Allen at 83%. DJ's 9 yard pass average was 3rd in league in week one. 4th in NFL with 115 passer rating despite poor pass blocking. Exactly. Jones had far from a perfect game but I thought all in all he played well. and who is Jones's alpha WR #1??? Golladay? Cmon! I just saw a talking head complaining the CeeDee Lamb didn't look like a #1 wr. I laughed thinking we would be thrilled to have him as our #1.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 7:43:49 GMT -5
With the all pressure that is a surprising stat. Good for him!! pass rush pressure pressure in general for this season pressure for a huge mistake pressure of a 4th quarter drive. Jones played under pressure from all angles yesterday. The whole team and staff never gave up That's a whole lot of pressure but I was thinking oline pressure and to still complete that high of a percentage of passes was great..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2022 7:45:12 GMT -5
Exactly. Jones had far from a perfect game but I thought all in all he played well. and who is Jones's alpha WR #1??? Golladay? Cmon! I just saw a talking head complaining the CeeDee Lamb didn't look like a #1 wr. I laughed thinking we would be thrilled to have him as our #1. Doesn't he drop a lot? Fell a sleep watching that FG fest so I don't know how he did last night..
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