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Post by DandyDon on Dec 2, 2022 22:40:23 GMT -5
That many years and that much money for a guy you aren’t sure has 1 healthy season in him. I hate to say it, but have him. I’d have been upset if we had given him that money. . I agree. Now let's see what Stevie does.
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Post by BronxBomberBlue on Dec 3, 2022 3:33:48 GMT -5
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 3, 2022 9:12:35 GMT -5
Probably because of the years. No way they were matching that. Better Texas than Atlanta or LA. We'll see what happens.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 3, 2022 19:37:31 GMT -5
We couldn't risk 5 years. How much did deGrom pitch in the last 5 years ? It's a shame I loved him. So if the Mets spend 185 mil on other players what can they get ?
Oh I have a list of things that they need. Now c'mon Mets use this money for say 2 starters, a top reliever to go with Diaz, and a DH/!B-OF preferably a left handed bat with power. I don't think Vogelback is the answer. Though I wouldn't mind him on the 26 man squad for depth. But he's only a DH can't play a position.
LET'S GO METS 2023 !
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 3, 2022 22:19:56 GMT -5
We couldn't risk 5 years. How much did deGrom pitch in the last 5 years ? It's a shame I loved him. So if the Mets spend 185 mil on other players what can they get ? Oh I have a list of things that they need. Now c'mon Mets use this money for say 2 starters, a top reliever to go with Diaz, and a DH/!B-OF preferably a left handed bat with power. I don't think Vogelback is the answer. Though I wouldn't mind him on the 26 man squad for depth. But he's only a DH can't play a position. LET'S GO METS 2023 ! DeGrom has the best stuff of any MLB pitcher currently in the game. It's not even disputed - he's almost unhittable when when he's healthy. But a team giving him a 5 year contract when he's 35 is crazy, giving his injury history. I'm happy for Jake - he should have been paid a lot more way before this. And I hate how he never got any offense by the Mets to back up his amazing performances. But he's going to a team where stars go to die. I could be wrong, but I hope he enjoys the money, cause he wont win anything in Texas. Just MO.
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Post by Fletch842 on Dec 4, 2022 7:25:25 GMT -5
We couldn't risk 5 years. How much did deGrom pitch in the last 5 years ? It's a shame I loved him. So if the Mets spend 185 mil on other players what can they get ? Oh I have a list of things that they need. Now c'mon Mets use this money for say 2 starters, a top reliever to go with Diaz, and a DH/!B-OF preferably a left handed bat with power. I don't think Vogelback is the answer. Though I wouldn't mind him on the 26 man squad for depth. But he's only a DH can't play a position. LET'S GO METS 2023 ! DeGrom has the best stuff of any MLB pitcher currently in the game. It's not even disputed - he's almost unhittable when when he's healthy. But a team giving him a 5 year contract when he's 35 is crazy, giving his injury history. I'm happy for Jake - he should have been paid a lot more way before this. And I hate how he never got any offense by the Mets to back up his amazing performances. But he's going to a team where stars go to die. I could be wrong, but I hope he enjoys the money, cause he wont win anything in Texas. Just MO. Rangers are average at best, and don't match up well against the cheaters or Angels.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 4, 2022 12:24:16 GMT -5
Probably because of the years. No way they were matching that. Better Texas than Atlanta or LA. We'll see what happens. Absolutely. I love deGrom and everything he’s done for the organization but there’s no way the Mets were gonna meet that offer. I’m sure they made that clear; I, like the FO, wish him all the best.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 4, 2022 13:34:37 GMT -5
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Post by TEM on Dec 4, 2022 18:14:33 GMT -5
I hope this has validity.
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Post by SG88 on Dec 5, 2022 12:32:32 GMT -5
This guy is dialed in and is never wrong. I like it for the Mets a whole lot.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 5, 2022 12:35:29 GMT -5
Good bye Jake, hello Justin. I’m a fan of the move. 2 years, makes a ton of sense.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 5, 2022 12:52:37 GMT -5
Good luck. Once our "ace" left Houston he wasn't the same. They cheat there.
Im surprised you guys didnt get Rodon. Much younger.
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 5, 2022 14:06:34 GMT -5
Good luck. Once our "ace" left Houston he wasn't the same. They cheat there. Im surprised you guys didnt get Rodon. Much younger. In all fairness Verlander never relied on special goo to increase effectiveness. 2 years is perfect for us. Look at IP last year and average per start, then look at DeGrom. That’s who so view Verlander against not Rodon. He pitched half his games in the most cavernous park in baseball and throws 85% fastballs. That’s an awful match when we face Braves and Phillies as often as we do.
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Post by TheAnalyst on Dec 5, 2022 14:13:30 GMT -5
Good luck. Once our "ace" left Houston he wasn't the same. They cheat there. Im surprised you guys didnt get Rodon. Much younger. In all fairness Verlander never relied on special goo to increase effectiveness. 2 years is perfect for us. Look at IP last year and average per start, then look at DeGrom. That’s who so view Verlander against not Rodon. He pitched half his games in the most cavernous park in baseball and throws 85% fastballs. That’s an awful match when we face Braves and Phillies as often as we do. That you know about. Verlander was pretty bad for a few years in Detroit. In his early 30s. Like he hit "the wall". Then went to Houston and had his best years of his career in his mid-late 30s. Velo and spin rates increased. On a team known for cheating in numerous ways. Call me a skeptic. And I agree, DeGrom looks like his wheels are starting to fall off. He should have went to Houston to fix it
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 5, 2022 14:59:48 GMT -5
Good luck. Once our "ace" left Houston he wasn't the same. They cheat there. Im surprised you guys didnt get Rodon. Much younger. I was thinking the same. Maybe they didn't want to commit to what would probably be a longer deal.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 5, 2022 17:11:31 GMT -5
Good luck. Once our "ace" left Houston he wasn't the same. They cheat there. Im surprised you guys didnt get Rodon. Much younger. I was thinking the same. Maybe they didn't want to commit to what would probably be a longer deal. I don't care. I'm just happy to root for a baseball team that behaves like a profession organization for a change.
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Post by TEM on Dec 5, 2022 17:23:40 GMT -5
I was thinking the same. Maybe they didn't want to commit to what would probably be a longer deal. I don't care. I'm just happy to root for a baseball team that behaves like a profession organization for a change. This just me but I think we have to make bid for Carlos Rendon Rendon Verlander Scherzer Carrasco Peterson Megill Would be a scary rotation to go up against.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 6, 2022 11:35:27 GMT -5
Good luck. Once our "ace" left Houston he wasn't the same. They cheat there. Im surprised you guys didnt get Rodon. Much younger. I was thinking the same. Maybe they didn't want to commit to what would probably be a longer deal. Apparently there were a lot more teams in on rendon and they didn't want to wait out a long process. nypost.com/2022/12/05/mets-steve-cohen-wasnt-letting-justin-verlander-get-away/
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Post by giantlegacy on Dec 6, 2022 23:53:39 GMT -5
I don't care. I'm just happy to root for a baseball team that behaves like a profession organization for a change. This just me but I think we have to make bid for Carlos Rendon Rendon Verlander Scherzer Carrasco Peterson Megill Would be a scary rotation to go up against. Yikes
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 7, 2022 9:24:24 GMT -5
I don't care. I'm just happy to root for a baseball team that behaves like a profession organization for a change. This just me but I think we have to make bid for Carlos Rodon Rodon Verlander Scherzer Carrasco Peterson Megill Would be a scary rotation to go up against.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 7, 2022 10:59:44 GMT -5
I don't care. I'm just happy to root for a baseball team that behaves like a profession organization for a change. This just me but I think we have to make bid for Carlos Rendon Rendon Verlander Scherzer Carrasco Peterson Megill Would be a scary rotation to go up against. I think the need Mets need bats. Their lineup scored no runs last year when they were choking away the season, I think that needs to be addressed. Teams don’t lose to starting pitchers anymore, they just battle until the 6th and then feast on the bullpen. You need hitters for that.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 7, 2022 11:17:03 GMT -5
This just me but I think we have to make bid for Carlos Rendon Rendon Verlander Scherzer Carrasco Peterson Megill Would be a scary rotation to go up against. I think the need Mets need bats. Their lineup scored no runs last year when they were choking away the season, I think that needs to be addressed. Teams don’t lose to starting pitchers anymore, they just battle until the 6th and then feast on the bullpen. You need hitters for that. And a good BP. Especially when your 2 ace starting pitchers are 40 years old (or close to it)
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Post by Rangers13 on Dec 7, 2022 11:26:41 GMT -5
This just me but I think we have to make bid for Carlos Rendon Rendon Verlander Scherzer Carrasco Peterson Megill Would be a scary rotation to go up against. I think the need Mets need bats. Their lineup scored no runs last year when they were choking away the season, I think that needs to be addressed. Teams don’t lose to starting pitchers anymore, they just battle until the 6th and then feast on the bullpen. You need hitters for that. hard to watch an offense which collectively all worked the count to wear out pitchers most of the season go silent. Figured they would break out of it yet the pilot lights went out. Yeah, I think they need some bats.
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Post by Sarcasman on Dec 7, 2022 11:29:28 GMT -5
I think the need Mets need bats. Their lineup scored no runs last year when they were choking away the season, I think that needs to be addressed. Teams don’t lose to starting pitchers anymore, they just battle until the 6th and then feast on the bullpen. You need hitters for that. hard to watch an offense which collectively all worked the count to wear out pitchers most of the season go silent. Figured they would break out of it yet the pilot lights went out. Yeah, I think they need some bats. Yup. I loved their approach to working the pitchers but man, it was so frustrating watching them do absolutely nothing late.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 7, 2022 12:01:22 GMT -5
Last year it seemed to me that Verlander much like Scherzer had nothing left at the end of the season. Is Verlander 40 years old also ? We better strengthen that bullpen and we definitely need another strong arm like Diaz or as close as possible. I would like to see Ottovino back and Lugo too for that matter to go with Smith.
So now our starters are Verlander, Scherzer, Candy, Peterson and Mcgill. Did Walker sign somewhere else ?
So we have 5 starters and Diaz. We need another strong starter plus a upgraded bullpen. These starters aren't going to hold up.
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Post by DandyDon on Dec 7, 2022 12:30:56 GMT -5
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 7, 2022 12:58:19 GMT -5
Good deal on a reliable lefty. Now who is going to play CF? Also the bullpen is Diaz and nobody.
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Post by TEM on Dec 7, 2022 14:15:54 GMT -5
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Post by NAVY2323(ret) on Dec 7, 2022 15:29:11 GMT -5
Just traded for an excellent lefty bullpen arm. Keep it going guys.
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Post by ThatGuyRich on Dec 7, 2022 15:47:06 GMT -5
Can't keep up with all the signings. I just wrote we needed 2 starters and a strong bullpen arm and whammo look what happens. Raley in the pen is going to help. He's 34 and had a 2.69 era last year. He's a lefty.
Then whammo the Mets sign Quintana for 2 years for 24 mil. This is what one day after we lose Walker to the Phillies. Quintana will strengthen the back end of the rotation.
The Mets are also in hot pursuit of the Japenese FA Senga another pitcher. We need 6-7 starters especially with age in the front end of the rotation. I could see a 6 man rotation. Right now I see Verlander, Scherzer, Candy, Quintana, then say Peterson and McGill. If we get lucky and Senga signs with us the starting staff is strong and deep.
Now lets sign say Ottovino and maybe Lugo for the pen as 1 inning guys to go with Diaz, Raley, and Smith.
Would love to keep Nimmo the Giants making big move for him. I feel we still need a DH power bat preferably left handed say can play 1st/OF. I like Vogelback but don't feel he's the answer. Can keep him on the 26 for depth.
These winter meetings are wild.
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